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Talk:Pokémon Black and White Versions 2

2012-02-27T06:07:29Z

Chocos0: /* Classification */

It says "Two new formes" but it does not say "of Kyurem." [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 02:22, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:We won't know if they are formes of Kyurem until a source confirms it. Right now, it's all speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::While it is all speculation they look more like alternate forms of Reshiram and Zekrom instead. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 02:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::[https://twitter.com/#!/Junichi_Masuda/status/173576515219505153 Stated Kyurem here.] But there's debate on whether they're forms or separate Pokémon. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Ah, nice to know then. Wonder if they'll have something to do with Reshiram and Zekrom at all, also looking forward to a bit of change in the overall story plot. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 02:39, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::Well, from what it looks like, it seems that it is combining Zekrom/Reshiram with Kyurem. I wonder how they will do that? Item? Special shrine? But about what Jo said above, they will be forms, as it says in [[Kyurem]]s trivia ''"There is placeholder data for an alternate form of Kyurem in Pokémon Black and White".'' --[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 02:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Names of mascots ==

Junichi Masuda has stated on Twitter that the names of the new forms are '''White Kyurem''' and '''Black Kyurem'''. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 03:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

==Interwiki==
Page is blocked, could you add an interwiki link to [[:it:Pokémon Nero e Bianco 2]]?--[[User:Qwilava|Qwilava]] 08:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:Added. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

==US website==
Doesn't appear to have been added. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ It's not much, but it's official.] [[User:GoldenCelebi|GoldenCelebi]] 10:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:I am reluctant to add it. It is just a sub-section, unlike [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ this one]. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 11:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Color's for representation. ==

To avoid confusion with Black and White I think the 2 colors that represent this game on Wiki pages should be a blue and red to match the color on each logo and background for the official site. What do you guys think? [[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 12:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:What about if it gets confused instead with the Generation I games Red and Blue? Just pointing out... [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 12:45, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::All I have to say is Ruby and Sapphire. Besides they will be a different shade just like Ruby and Sapphire where and they will also be reversed, being Blue and Red instead of Red and Blue.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 12:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Thank you to the person who changed the color.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 13:14, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Wait, who changed it back and why?[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 13:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Mascots reversed? ==

I just noticed something on [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/46/Kyurem_forms.png the new release]. The Kyurem/Zekrom and Kyurem/Reshiram are reversed. On the original B/W, Zekrom was on the white side, and Reshiram on the black side. Its seems its reversed now.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 15:28, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:Yes they are, but this isn't the right place for that discussion. Please go to the forums with comments/questions of this nature. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 15:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== generation ==

why is it under generation v? is there any offical source to this (even though we know it might be true) -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

We don't really know if it is Gen V, but the fact that it uses forms of a Gen V Pokemon as its mascot make if all but confirmed. The way it looks, at least for now, is that they decided to ditch the 3rd game idea for this Gen and instead do two full sequels to BW. If they say these are a new gen or we see completely new Pokemon then we can start talking about this being Gen VI, but as it stands I think we should just leave it be.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 16:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Trying to clear up some unconfirmed rumors ==

I suggest a paragraph be added to the article stating something like "There is no confirmation on whether these games are a [[third version]] or not." [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] 20:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

The article doesn't even insinuate that, it says out right that they are second paired versions. 2 games can't be a 3rd version.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 22:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Classification ==

Well,looks like it can have'''3''' types-Dragon+ice+fire\electric.And can it be a new duo or trio with Kyurem or Part of the tao trio?--Shravs [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(New Bark Gym)]] 05:09, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:From sources, Kyurem has two new forms, each resemblin to Zekrom and/or Reshiram. So it would still be within the Tao trio. But 3 types is OP, and awkward considering the type advantages/disadvantages. I would say Kyurem would be Ice/Dragon but retaining the power of it's other form. My speculation point, but I would doubt 3 types. [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 06:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Black and White Versions 2

2012-02-27T06:06:06Z

Chocos0: /* Classification */

It says "Two new formes" but it does not say "of Kyurem." [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 02:22, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:We won't know if they are formes of Kyurem until a source confirms it. Right now, it's all speculation.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F'''orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F'''ire]] 02:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::While it is all speculation they look more like alternate forms of Reshiram and Zekrom instead. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 02:34, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::[https://twitter.com/#!/Junichi_Masuda/status/173576515219505153 Stated Kyurem here.] But there's debate on whether they're forms or separate Pokémon. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 02:36, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Ah, nice to know then. Wonder if they'll have something to do with Reshiram and Zekrom at all, also looking forward to a bit of change in the overall story plot. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 02:39, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::::Well, from what it looks like, it seems that it is combining Zekrom/Reshiram with Kyurem. I wonder how they will do that? Item? Special shrine? But about what Jo said above, they will be forms, as it says in [[Kyurem]]s trivia ''"There is placeholder data for an alternate form of Kyurem in Pokémon Black and White".'' --[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 02:59, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Names of mascots ==

Junichi Masuda has stated on Twitter that the names of the new forms are '''White Kyurem''' and '''Black Kyurem'''. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 03:32, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

==Interwiki==
Page is blocked, could you add an interwiki link to [[:it:Pokémon Nero e Bianco 2]]?--[[User:Qwilava|Qwilava]] 08:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:Added. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 08:38, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

==US website==
Doesn't appear to have been added. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/pokemon-video-games/pokemon-black-version-2-and-pokemon-white-version-2/ It's not much, but it's official.] [[User:GoldenCelebi|GoldenCelebi]] 10:57, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:I am reluctant to add it. It is just a sub-section, unlike [http://www.pokemonblackwhite.com/ this one]. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 11:21, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Color's for representation. ==

To avoid confusion with Black and White I think the 2 colors that represent this game on Wiki pages should be a blue and red to match the color on each logo and background for the official site. What do you guys think? [[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 12:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:What about if it gets confused instead with the Generation I games Red and Blue? Just pointing out... [[User:Haxorus|'''Hax''']][[User talk:Haxorus|'''or''']][[Special:MyContributions|'''us''']] 12:45, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::All I have to say is Ruby and Sapphire. Besides they will be a different shade just like Ruby and Sapphire where and they will also be reversed, being Blue and Red instead of Red and Blue.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 12:55, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:::Thank you to the person who changed the color.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 13:14, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
::::Wait, who changed it back and why?[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 13:53, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Mascots reversed? ==

I just noticed something on [http://archives.bulbagarden.net/media/upload/4/46/Kyurem_forms.png the new release]. The Kyurem/Zekrom and Kyurem/Reshiram are reversed. On the original B/W, Zekrom was on the white side, and Reshiram on the black side. Its seems its reversed now.--[[User:Rsrdaman|'''×Rsr''']][[User_Talk:Rsrdaman|'''daman×''']] 15:28, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
:Yes they are, but this isn't the right place for that discussion. Please go to the forums with comments/questions of this nature. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 15:44, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== generation ==

why is it under generation v? is there any offical source to this (even though we know it might be true) -[[User:Pokeant|Pokeant]] 16:37, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

We don't really know if it is Gen V, but the fact that it uses forms of a Gen V Pokemon as its mascot make if all but confirmed. The way it looks, at least for now, is that they decided to ditch the 3rd game idea for this Gen and instead do two full sequels to BW. If they say these are a new gen or we see completely new Pokemon then we can start talking about this being Gen VI, but as it stands I think we should just leave it be.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 16:41, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Trying to clear up some unconfirmed rumors ==

I suggest a paragraph be added to the article stating something like "There is no confirmation on whether these games are a [[third version]] or not." [[User:Bwburke94|Bwburke94]] 20:26, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

The article doesn't even insinuate that, it says out right that they are second paired versions. 2 games can't be a 3rd version.[[User:ArchedThunder|ArchedThunder]] 22:43, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

== Classification ==

Well,looks like it can have'''3''' types-Dragon+ice+fire\electric.And can it be a new duo or trio with Kyurem or Part of the tao trio?--Shravs [[User talk:Littleroot leader shravan(ability leader)|(New Bark Gym)]] 05:09, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
:From sources, Kyurem has two new forms, each resemblin to Zekrom and/or Reshiram. But 3 types is OP, and awkward considering the type advantages/disadvantages. I would say Kyurem would be Ice/Dragon but retaining the power of it's other form. My speculation point, but I would doubt 3 types. [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 06:06, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Genesect (Pokémon)

2012-02-16T05:15:58Z

Chocos0: /* Type Effectiveness */

== Can this be removed? ==

I can't stress this enough Just because somthing looks simmilar to somthing else does not say anything about it's origin. Can the part about the Napalm man be removed? It is speculation and therfore does not belong in the origin section, unless there is evidence to support it (If some is found please tell me what it is). --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 00:13, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

==Last of National Dex Trivia==
I noticed this and thought it would be good trivia:
*"Genesect is the only Pokémon that was at one point the final Pokémon in the National Dex that could not be a {{type|Psychic}}."
Mew, Celebi, Deoxys, and Arceus holding a Mind Plate for the record. Also, Dennis. [[User:Yurtablemoron|Yurtablemoron]] 11:18, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

== Genesect: Mewtwo of Gen V ==

I got a lot of hunches on this pokemon being artificially created by Team Plasma. There are some reasons why: First, both are being developed as the most strongest pokemon created by science. Second, they originated from the remains of a extinct pokemon (Mewtwo originated from a fossilized hair of Mew and Genesect originated from a bug-like fossil). Third, both villainous group shares the same goal on making them the strongest pokemon ever created to rule the world. And fourth, both of them escaped for unknown reasons in the games. But I know there are more to this relation, somehow....
[[User:Duo2nd|Duo2nd]] 02:46, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:Uh like what? Lots of Gen V Pokémon have similarities. Doesn't mean they're related. Also, Mewtwo being created by Team Rocket isn't confirmed to be canon in the games. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 02:54, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::It's not confirmed because it isn't true. Mr. Fuji and Blaine weren't a part of TR in the games [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Note that the Pokédex entry says RE-constructed meaning that it probably wasn't created by team plasma in the first place, probably created by some anciant race or the monarchy. Still it is unlikely that it has any relation to any of the other Pokémon. --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 04:12, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

== Origin of Genesect? ==

Maybe it's a plural/singular grammatical issue, but the article says that

"Genesect may be generally based on the giant insects of the Paleozoic era, although its Steel-type features give it a somewhat robotic appearance. It has existed for 300 million years, making it as old as the cockroach."

Does "it" refer to "giant insects" or does it refer to Genesect, for if it refers to Genesect, than it's wrong right? --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 02:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:What are you suggesting is wrong? Genesect has existed for 300 million years, it says so in its Black dex entry (which I haven't gotten around to translating and adding yet). I'm not quite sure if that really fits in its origin section, though... [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::Hmmm... so what it's saying is that it's had a gun (albeit less powerful) from over 300 million years ago? --[[User:Joeshie|+ Joeshie +]] ''([[User talk:Joeshie|is Mæ!]])'' 18:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Is Genesect actualy robotic or part robotic? This may very easily be irelevent to the outcome of it's origin, but it reminds me of Atlatian technology. It was believed that the technology of Atlantis could be used to creat powerful Vehicles, wepons and atomatons. It also says in the Pokédex that it was reconstructed suggesting it was created by someone other than team plasma (althogh I don't know who). --'''[[User:EpicShadow|Epic]][[User talk:EpicShadow|Shadow]]''' 19:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
::::part robotic [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:04, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
Could the "others" be the pigmask army form MOTHER 3? They took normal creatures and turned them into cyborgs also knows as chimeras, possibly a reference to Mother 3? could you add this it the trivia section?
[[User:Ghost chimera|Ghost chimera]] 08:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)Ghost chimera
:::::what does Mother 3 have to do with this? Lot's of series do this...sonic the hedgehog for example [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 08:14, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The people who worked on MOTHER 3 also worked on Pokemon, this is why Mewtwo looks like Giygas.
[[User:Ghost chimera|Ghost chimera]] 22:00, 4 December 2010 (UTC)Ghost chimera

== Romanization ==

Isn't the Katakana pronounced Genosect (Genosekuto), not Genesect? ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 22:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:From what I understand, Genesect's the name that's been officially trademarked.--[[User:Cold|Cold]] ([[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 22:11, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
::This should be brought up again as it has not been trademarked Genesect, at least as far as the information available online on the official JP trademark database. Unless someone has a source it should be changed. [[User:Pokejungle|Pokejungle]] 06:15, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Genesect.com, Keldeo.com, Tsutarja.com, mijumaru.com, pokabu.com. All parked by the same company. Can you drop the romanization issue now? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 06:43, 11 December 2010 (UTC)

==Artwork?==

I was wondering - what will be done for artwork section of the event legendary Pokémon until their official Ken Sugimori art is released? I remember Arceus had fan art until its Sugimori art is revealed, so will Kerudio, Meloetta, and Genesect follow the same route? I'd be happy to provide Sugimori-style artwork for them if that ends up being the case. I know this is probably jumping the gun quite a bit, but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 22:49, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:Most likely we will get Dream World art. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, I doubt Dream World art will be released before Genesect itself is (what purpose would it have, besides appearing to condone hacking?). And Sugimori art will likely be released at the same time. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 22:49, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Ah, for some reason I completely forgot about Dream World art at the time I was writing that. If it doesn't get Dream World art before its Sugimori art is released, though, I'll still be glad to provide art for it and the other event Legendary Pokémon. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 17:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
::::At the moment at least, Dream World art looks very unlikely, as all of the site's Pokemon listings drop off after #646. There's nothing stopping it being added in an upgrade, but that probably won't be until the official release, which would bring Sugimori Art too. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 17:18, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
Hey, I've seen Sugimori's official art, but It's JPEG, Low quality, little dimensions and isn't all that good. There's no good images of Genesect you can find right now. - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 15:12, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
Nevermind, it wasn't actually Sugimori artwork. Probably Fan art. - [[User:PikaThunder|PikaThunder]] • [[User Talk:PikaThunder|PT's Talk]] - 20:55, 5 December 2010 (UTC)
:The piece I offer to use in this article is [http://fc03.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/031/3/a/genosect_v_4_by_xous54-d38igum.png[this one]]. I'd be able to remove my watermarks should it be found acceptable. (I can also supply a full-size version if necessary.) And, as I mentioned earlier, I could supply artwork for the two formes of Meloetta and artwork for Keldeo to serve as placeholders until their official art is revealed. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 03:43, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
Didn't we use fanmade sprites for Zorua and Zoroark once? I mean, we could simply put up that "THIS SPRITE IS FAKE" tag again if we use fanart for these three.... Doesn't that seem like an idea? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 16:18, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
:I'm not sure if there's been a policy change regarding using fan art as placeholders, but in the case of Arceus there was simply a tiny line of text below the image stating "Fan Artwork of Arceus" or something to that effect. I would upload the artwork to the articles myself, but I don't want to break any rules or overstep my bounds, and I really don't know how I'd go about adding the artwork (and I don't want to risk messing up the pages). [[User:Xous|Xous]] 02:55, 15 February 2011 (UTC)
::I can give you some very well-made fan art from [[Keldeo]], [[Meloetta]] and [[Genesect]], if you want !
::--[[User:Wolfy|Wolfy]] 10:49, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

== Trade? ==

In the obtaining section of the page, it says Genesect is only available by trading. What does this mean?—[[User:Zekasaur|♫Ze]][[User talk:Zekasaur|kas]][[Special:Contributions/Zekasaur|aur♫]] 11:12, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:It's default for unobtainable Pokémon, it should be changed.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 11:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::No, it shouldn't. For Pokémon with no in-game location, it should just say trade. Events don't count unless they give access to an in-game location. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 12:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

== Dennis ==

I heard almost everyone at YouTUBE giving Genosect the nickname Dennis due to the confusion caused with Geechisu's battle music. Prior to the reveal it was Geechisu's theme instead of Genesect's theme everybody called it Dennis due to the chorus in the track. Not sure if alot of people still refer to him as such now but could we atleast mention it since Tsutarja's page mentioned Smugleaf? [[User:Shiramu Kuromu|Shiramu Kuromu]] 00:47, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:It's not even that popular, so no. It's only notable for Smugleaf because the popular video game blog site, Kotaku, made it. - [[User:050294|050294]] 04:12, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
::Actually, Smugleaf is notable because it was mentioned in [[a:File:NZAU_Magazine_Scan.jpg|an official Nintendo magazine]], ''not'' because it was made by a popular site. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:46, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
:::Hm, that was in the UK Nintendo magazine too, so I guess it was in two magazines. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 16:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

== Really? ==

"Genesect is currently the only Pokémon which names a villainous team in its Pokédex entry." The game isn't even out in English, and this is in the article? The pokedex entry doesn't have any English words (obviously, but I wanted to make sure anyway) Are we going by some translation that could potentially be wrong? Or was this ACTUALLY mentioned somewhere? [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:00, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Hmmm... not sure whether to withdraw this or not. There's a supposedly correct translation when the mouse is hovered over the pokedex entry, but I'd at least like to know where it came from because I doubt it's correct. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:19, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
::It came from {{u|Umeko}} who is a Japanese speaker. She has gone through and translated just about every Pokédex entry that is on Bulbapedia. They're the Japanese entries that are placeholders until the English games come out. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 03:39, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:::oh ok thank you for telling me. I was confused when I first saw that bit of trivia. [[User:In A Manica|In A Manica]] 03:45, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

== Evolution? ==

Why are the 5 different images of Genesect shown in the evolution? The cassettes only affect ONE move and a coloring of ONE detail, nothing else. It's no major forme change and is far less impressive than Arceus's formes, doesn't change stats, type or anything like others like Meloetta for instance. I don't think it should be considered to evolve. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 01:56, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:It isn't evolution, it's forme change, first of all. Second, Genesect's different formes' sprites are needed just as much as Gender differences are. Gender differences don't effect type, moves, stats, or anything! It's just a "small" difference in appearence, but its still used because it makes the article more complete showing what the different genders look like. Just like how showing Genesect's different formes make the page more complete by showing what it looks like when holding specific items. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 02:05, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, I know the differences between forme, evolution and gender and this is not really making much sense. Look at Arceus, Its coloring changes but so does Its ''type'' when it holds its objects that give it that forme change - Similar to Genesect's cassettes, but a bigger change. Secondly, everyone came after me when I did [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Kenhorou_%28Pok%C3%A9mon%29&oldid=1234971#Evolution this], a very obvious, but according to all the other users who ganged up on me, unimportant difference, as was also pointed out to me with [[Burungel (Pokémon)|this one]]. Genesect is somewhere between these two cases, but mostly, if ''Arceus'' is not considered evolved through its forme changes, Genesect definitely shouldn't be either. --—[[User:Venomoth|'''''V'''e№moth'']][[User talk:Venomoth| ♦]] 02:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
:::I think the only reason Arceus doesn't do it is because of how ludicrously big it would be. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:03, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The thing is that there is a distinction between Forme differences and gender differences. Other than gender differences, however, every Pokémon with different forms should have the appropriate special displays on their page (even those, such as Genesect, where the minimal difference only lends itself to a larger evobox.)--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:19, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::On a somewhat related note, I don't quite like how the form evoboxes are set up. Using Genesect's as an example, it is linear, so it says that only certain forms can change to other ones, which is not true. Genesect holding any kind of cassette (or none at all) can then switch items to any other (or discard it). The evobox should be a big circle with arrows going between all possible combinations. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:38, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::: Might be easier to not use any arrows at all. Two-way arrows or simple lines could seem messy if we can instead figure out a placement that doesn't lend itself to strict ordering. How about 3 above and 2 below, or 2 above and 3 below? Or 2, 2, 1, with no Cassette as the odd one out? Or if that circle is really on the table, just place them in it unconnected. But other than that, I definitely see the merit in toticombinatory arrows. [[User:PLA|PLA]] 17:29, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== Worth Noting? ==

Should it be written that Genesect is the third man made Pokemon after Porygon and Mewtwo. I count Porygon as one since its two evolved forms are simply upgraded versions of it. [[User:Frozen Fennec|Frozen Fennec]] 18:30, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:[[Artificial Pokémon]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:01, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

== Forme Change ==

Genesect's Evolution section makes it as if, for example, that Genesect must first equip the Lightning Cassette before equipping the Blaze Cassette which simply isn't the case. Is there a way to do this to make it so its clear that all the formes are interchangeable? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 18:18, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

== Unable to see image ==

i am unable to see the images for genesect, keldeo, and meloetta. All there i see is a link of some sort. Can anybody please clarify why i am unable to see these images? [[User:Karnik555|Karnik555]] 00:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:Because it has not been uploaded and they don't exist. So, we can't really upload one now can we? —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 00:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

==Genesis?==
Genesect does not have an official pronunciation as of yet; it could be jenna-sect for all we know. I was wondering if the "Gene" prefix could refer to genesis, in one instance meaning the beginning of something. The games say Genesect has existed for quite a long time, so could this be a name origin?-- [[User:Swagmander|Swagmander]] 04:07, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
:A long time =/= beginning. It is isn't as unlikely and the option below, but it most likely refers to gene/genetics/a similar term. I am not going to completely oppose it being added, but I do think it shouldn't be there. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Genocide? ==

Could the name come from the term 'genocide'? {{unsigned|Fencingwolf13}}
:Possibly, due to its large cannon, and that it was apparently the most feared hunter in its time. There have been much less likely name origin theories, so it should be added. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
::The fact that it was specifically romanized "Gen'''e'''sect" makes me doubt that. It was genetically engineered, so it almost certainly comes from gene/genetics/a similar term. And situations where . --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
:::It should be noted that Japan does not have a romanised word for Genocide starting with ゲノ. Genocide is romanized as ジェノサイド (JEnosaido.) What the Geno part in its name refers to is actually Genome (ゲノム/Ge-no-mu, and that's Geh, not Jee)... Which is why I think the English name is utterly ridiculous because it never was referring to Genocide in the slightest. Design be damned. I'd personally prefer it if people removed the thing about Genocide in the name details, since it's never referred to that at all. Common sense and language knowledge here, people. Callyne4 23:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

==Edit Request==
Why is this page protected? Basically, I was going to modify two pieces of trivia, to look like this:

* ''Genesect is the only {{type|Bug}} [[legendary Pokémon]], excluding {{p|Arceus}} holding the [[Insect Plate]]''.

* ''Despite it being its [[signature move]], Genesect cannot receive STAB from {{m|Techno Buster}}.''

'''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 17:01, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:The page should only be protected to new users. Any user that is autoconfirmed (which you are) should be able to edit it. This was done to all the Pokémon pages as too many new users were adding names which have not been officially released. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:33, 13 February 2011 (UTC)
::I now know whats happnened, I've seen the locked banner and automatically assumed that I was unable to edit it, lol. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 12:31, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

It would be a good idea to make a little template that only shows one form of Genesect at a time (ie, normal, holding blaze cassette, holding aqua cassette, etc) like Arceus's one? I've had this idea because the only difference are some color details and techno buster's type. --[[User:EzekielMaple|EzekielMaple]] 15:45, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Arceus's one only does that because it has so many sprites. It is much better this way. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:36, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, why is its normal front Chill Drive Sprite brighter than the muted colors of the rest of the front spires and ALL back sprites? Someone's error or real in-game discoloration? [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 11:56, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
:I checked by opening the Chill Drive sprite and another sprite in two tabs, and switching between them, yet I see absolutly no change, other than the intended drive color swap. And neither sprite had been uploaded over. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

== Genesect ==

Has somone hacked the game to find out Genesect, Keldeo and Melloetta are in fact the english names, or are thay still unconfirmed? [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 19:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
:Of course many people have hacked them. For example, Youtube is full of Genesect videos.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 19:16, 3 May 2011 (UTC)
:: I kinda feel stupid now -_- but thanks [[User:05308|Diamond]] [[Lanturn (Pokémon)|Lanturn]] [[User talk:05308|CodeName: 05308]] 19:18, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

== Event ==

I know this is a stupid question and I probably shouldn't ask it but I'm getting impatient. When will the Genesect event launch? They're launching all the other events but not Genesect, {{p|Meloetta}} and {{p|Keldeo}}. Why is that? It just doesn't make any sense to me. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 21:11, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
:Event Pokémon are usually revealed with movies. Plus, the games are still relatively new. They'll be revealed in time. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 21:14, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
::Alright. I guess I'll just have to wait. I'm just really wanting Genesect. That's why I asked. [[User:Pokedex493|Pokedex493]] 21:17, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

== The bullets in the first paragraph ==

Wouldn't they seem more appropriate under physiology? They seem sort of... out of place, especially right at the top of the page like that. [[User:Sidnoea|Sidnoea]] 07:06, 11 December 2011 (UTC)

== Photon Blaster? ==

"It has a powerful cannon (named in the Techno Blast move as Photon Blaster)" I went to the page for {{m|Techno Blast}}, and nothing of the sort is mentioned. Where does this come from? [[User:Crystal Talian|Crystal Talian]] 05:53, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
:Before the English version came out, we used the Japanese move description (see [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Techno_Blast_(move)&diff=next&oldid=1392396 here]). We translated this as "The user aims and fires at the opponent with Photon Blaster. The type of the move changes depending on the held Cassette." This is in fact wrong, and the Japanese says almost exactly what the English move description does (except "light bullet" instead of "beam of light"). How somebody got Photon Blaster out of it I have no idea. Regardless, it is wrong, so I have removed it from the page. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:17, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

== Type Effectiveness ==

It appears that the type effectiveness chart is misaligned, not only on Genesect, but on all Bug/Steel types. Is there a way to fix that, as of yet?--[[User:GregtehCollector|GregtehCollector]] 19:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
:On most type effectiveness charts, it's mostly misaligned, I'm not sure how to fix this at all, but I'm sure people are noticing it.[[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 05:15, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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==Previous discussions==

* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5|Archive 5]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6|Archive 6]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 7|Archive 7]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 8|Archive 8]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 9|Archive 9]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 10|Archive 10]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 11|Archive 11]]

== Unnamed cities, towns, and villages from the anime ==

I can make a page for each region ([[Kanto]], [[Orange Archipelago]], [[Johto]], [[Hoenn]], [[Sinnoh]], and [[Unova]]) with a list of the nameless cities and towns featured in the [[Pokémon anime|anime]]. The pages show a list with an image from the episode, the featuring episode, the location (between so-and-so cities), and facts (such as festivals, events, history, leader, places of interest). Does [[Bulbapedia:Project Locations|Project Locations]] mind that?--[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]] 15:47, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:If anyone approves of this, I suggest going with "unnamed" rather than "nameless." [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 15:52, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:Agreed! If there will be no disapproval by September 2011, I will start working on those pages.--[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]] 03:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
::This sounds like a good idea. Since Unova has quite a few unnamed places. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I think that this would be a good project to start in the userspace. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I am sorry, "userspace"? I am still new.--[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]] 19:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]]-Your Userpage. Userspace includes your userpage, talk page, and any other page that starts with User:Maximoss/<name of page> --♣♣ ''[[User:Focus58|Ƒǿҫὑṩ]] [[User talk:Focus58|❺❽]]'' ♣♣ 20:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I see, so a userspace is my studio, I can work in it with drafts and miss with it as much as I need, until I create my final draft as an official page. Did I get it all right?--[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]] 04:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:Comments above were copied from the latest archive as the discussion is ongoing. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:Pretty much. Just remember not to make too many edits to your userspace, and read the {{bp|userspace policy}}. We are more lenient in regards to maximum number of edits per day for non-personal userspace content, but still keep the number of edits reasonable. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

== The "Current Events" area on the Main Page ==

Usually it has the last ten or whatever news items in there. RIght now there's only two, and it's been that way all day. Is there a reason for this? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry for the late reply, but this happened because we implemented a [[n:Category:Articles by user|new category system]] on Bulbanews, and a whole bunch of old articles were edited to fix capitalization (Immewnity to immewnity primarily). Due to the way Bulbanews works, the new articles hadn't been edited recently enough and were pushed off the list. We had to go around and make edits to the articles to get them back on this list. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

== Venn Search Feature ==

Hi, I'm Sasshen, I haven't been a member of the community really at all thusfar but I've been using the Bulbapedia wiki ever since I can remember, and I think that it would be a really cool idea to create a search engine within the wiki that can find Pokémon that match specific criteria; i.e., you could use the feature to find a Pokémon that learns both Fly AND is Fire-type, for example. The hits would all be pages which focus on Pokémon in the video games, and the fields could include Ability, Type, different Moves, etc. Anyways, it's just a suggestion, but this feature would make finding certain Pokémon to fill niches, a process that tends to take me some time... and several tabs XD.

Thank you for your consideration,

Sasshen
{{unsigned|Sasshen}}
:[http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/search Veekun already has this], and I think the way Bulbapedia is structured would make it very, very hard to implement here. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 23:33, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, totally forgot about veekun there haha and thank you so much for the feedback :)
{{unsigned|Sasshen}}

== Share Buttons ==

I feel that bulbapedia should have share on facebook,twitter and +1 google buttons to make it more popular and allow people to easily share and suggest information to their friends and family.This will help Bulbapedia further expand, get more contributors and grow. {{unsigned|Pokepranav}}
:Yeah, our staff is working on that feature but it is still not done yet. So, it will take some more days. Thanks for your concern :) ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 17:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

== Mistake ==

There's a mistake with the main template used on Pokémon pages, for the Pokémon's egg cycle it says "x minimum steps" but it's actually the maximum number of steps. The whole time the game counts your steps up to 255 afterwhich it goes back to zero and an egg will need one less cycle before it hatches. So if you receive an egg when you are 200 steps into the cycle the egg will hatch 200 earlier than its number of egg cycles multiplied by 255. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 18:01, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
:Actually, it is right to say minimum steps because whenever you receive or hatch an egg, all the other eggs in your party roll back to 0 on their current egg cycle. So if you recieve a second egg when you are 200 steps into the cycle, it will roll back over to 0 and you will end up having to walk 200 more steps than initially were required. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 19:55, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

==Wikirby==
The link to Wikirby on the NIWA directory is broken. It should link to http://www.wikirby.info/wiki/Main_Page, but instead it links to the nonexistent http://www.wikirby.info/wiki/Kirby_Wiki. Could an admin please fix this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 18:34, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fixed it. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 19:03, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

So I remember that the reason why there was a ban on trivia because many people at one specific time (for whatever reason) kept placing senseless trivia, which somehow affected server load. Nowadays, I occasionally see some nice (I guess) trivia removed because of the rule - an action that may also affect the server. To my point, when will that ban be removed/modified? Trivia is like one of the few things Bulbapedia has over other sites, another being the anime. Many prefer Serebii for games since some data here (like movelists) may be incomplete at times. There's Pokébeach, I guess, for TCG. So... yeah, when will this rule be changed/removed? (when replying, please note I don't really have much of an idea on the technical side of things here, like how much the server is affected) [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 04:20, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:trivia hasnt been allowed to encourage people to find other things to work on, not server load. with BW out, were still not 100% on that game, so people should be doing that, instead of trivia. occassional trivia is fine, but we cant let people go around and ONLY add trivia. its nonconstructive. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 06:00, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::Now that makes more sense :) Though for me, you sort of imply a full ban of trivia with that thing above (with few exceptions being the likes of the things below episode articles). [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|-tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26-]] 10:08, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

== Categorization of Main Page ==

Hi everyone, I'm Rassilon of Old, a new editor but long time Pokemon fan. :P Anyway, I've been reading Bulbapedia for years now, and I've only just joined today. I'm also an experienced editor on Wikia.com, so I was having a quick look at [[Special:UncategorizedPages|Uncategorized Pages]], when I saw that [[Type]] was uncategorized, as well as [[Main Page]]! So I categorized [[Type]], but I thought I would bring up the catagorization of the Main Page with the community. I think it should either be in the [[:Category:Bulbapedia|Bulbapedia category]], or a new category, {{redlink|:Category:Index|Index}}, {{redlink|:Category:Browse|Browse}}, or {{redlink|:Category:Community|Community}} should be created. I think the categorization of the main page is essential, and that this change should be implemented on Bulbapedia. I look forward to your responses, and to working with you in the future! Kind regards, [[User:Rassilon of Old|'''Rassilon of Old''']] ([[User talk:Rassilon of Old|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rassilon_of_Old|Contribs]]) 06:52, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:Rule's always been that only the Main Page is uncategorized. But whatever the guy with the thing for magnets says. Also Wikia sucks. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:27, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
::There's no reason why we can't categorize the main page. There are a few rules here that don't make sense, and I don't see why we can't change this one. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:18, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:::If we do decide to categorize the main page, I wouldn't go creating any of those categories. Also, the Bulbapedia equivalent of Category:Browse is {{cat|Browsing Bulbapedia}}. However, I would personally just categorize it under {{cat|Bulbapedia}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:05, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
::::i just figured there wasnt much of a reason to categorize it. it is what it is, and everyone knows it. if a rash of people really want it categorized, im sure we could. just didnt really see the need. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::It is also possible to use css to hide the category bit at the bottom, if we don't want to see the category. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:59, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::I have to agree with categorizing the [[Main_Page|Main Page]] somehow, and I support using Cascading Style Sheets to hide the category links, because who would want to see that at the bottom of the biggest page on the pedia? '''—[[User:AlexTheRose|Alex]][[User_talk:AlexTheRose|The]][[Special:Contributions/AlexTheRose|Rose]]''' 03:42, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

''(indent reset)'' So what category would you like to use then? [[:Category:Bulbapedia|Bulbapedia]]? It seems to be the most obvious choice, ''and'' it is suitable to the main page's subject. I also agree with using CSS to hide the category. [[User:Rassilon of Old|'''Rassilon of Old''']] ([[User talk:Rassilon of Old|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rassilon_of_Old|Contribs]]) 12:39, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

== Adding Korean Pokémon Wiki Links? ==

I couldn't find any info on this so forgive me if I just didn't dig deep enough. Also, I couldn't think of a better place to post this than on the Main Page discussion, since it involves adding another language link to it (and the rest of the site for that matter).

Anyways, what's the Bulbapedia policy of adding links to another Pokémon wiki in another language, particularly a/the Korean Pokémon Wiki? I found one which is fairly extensive; they have 3700-someodd articles and it's fairly well organized and designed.
* http://ko.pokemon.wikia.com/

Plus it seems like they know Bulbapedia exists, seeing as their articles are formatted similarly:
* http://ko.pokemon.wikia.com/wiki/이상해씨_(포켓몬)

However, I'm not sure what is first required to add Korean links to articles, similar to the Japanese, French, German, etc. links which already exist. Does Bulbapedia have to first be allied/affiliated with the Korean Pokémon wiki? Or is it sinply a matter of someone simply adding the links to all the articles? I'm also not sure if there is an even larger Korean Pokémon wiki, or if you already know about these guys and they're Bulbapedia's/Bulbagarden's "enemy" or something (or allied/affiliated with one).

Whatever the case may be, I really would like to see these links added to Bulbapedia; it'll certainly make searching for Korean articles that much easier for me (and others)! Thanks for your time! :) -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 22:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:The language links are only added for members of [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis]], a prerequisite of which is independence from wikia. This is due to wikia's general lack of care for the fanbases they are supposed to serve. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:12, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
::Agreed. Wikia doesn't even allow the use of independent domains as far as I know. And you're right '''''TTE''chidna''', WikiA sucks. '''—[[User:AlexTheRose|Alex]][[User_talk:AlexTheRose|The]][[Special:Contributions/AlexTheRose|Rose]]''' 03:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

== Mobile Site ==

Bulbapedia needs a mobile site. I view on my device all the time. Not an app but a site. e.g. M.bulbapedia.org ---- DrBrock
:Is it really necessary? No. It provides the same information, not more, not less. But that is my opinion. Yes, I do go on Bulbapedia through my iPhone almost all the time. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 00:53, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
::I wouldnt quite go that far, Han. We have been discussing a mobile site, and we almost made an app. The mobile site is a lot harder than simply copy/paste code, and with companies getting really strict on apps, thats looking questionable as well. So the real answer is, do we '''need''' one? I dont think we do, but would we ''like'' one? Yes, but it isnt in the cards right now. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:41, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I personally feel that while ''demand'' for a mobile site will increase in the coming years due to the increase in the numbers of tablets and smartphones being produced, the fact that smartphone screens are getting bigger and both smartphones and tablets are getting more powerful means that the ''need'' for one will decrease equally as rapidly as those devices become more capable of loading pages at a suitable rate. Also factoring the advent of 4G mobile services, I don't see it being necessary now or in the future. [[User:Oshawhat?|Oshawhat?]] 16:34, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

== Wanted talk pages? ==

I was just looking through the Wanted pages and seeing what I could make, and I noticed some talk pages are wanted. If there's something to discuss about something, we'll discuss it, but are talk pages ''really'' needed? --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆Yoshis''']][[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''World☆''']] 23:00, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Wait, nevermind. I just saw why...--[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆Yoshis''']][[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''World☆''']] 23:10, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

== When is the ban on adding trivia going to be lifted? ==

Adding trivia is something of my area of expertise. I have no problem contributing elsewhere, but I'm just saying, this has gone on kinda long, hasn't it? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:I hope you guys don't mind me butting in. But I have seen some people adding trivia. Just as long as it is useful and actually contributing to the mainspace. Even I got in trouble for undoing edits made under the trivia section. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:36, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::Whoops! I got mixed up, I was looking at a previous user's talk page and thought I was still in it. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:38, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:did you not see the topic 5 sections before this one? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:52, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
:Do you seriously have nothing better to contribute than trivia? How empty is your life? --[[User:Transfinite|Transfinite]] | [[User talk: Transfinite|Talk]] 10:43, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
::Was that comment necessary? As you can see, this conversation ended with MAGNEDETH and you felt the need to insult Missingno.? I believe such behavior will not be tolerated on this site. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 13:51, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Romanization templates ==

I'm looking through the wanted pages and... what are these romanization templates supposed to be used for? I'm confused. --[[User:Transfinite|Transfinite]] | [[User talk: Transfinite|Talk]] 23:15, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Romanizations/%E4%B8%8A%E9%87%8E%E8%BE%B0%E5%A4%AB They appear to be used for the anime staff by episode pages.] I don't know why they're set up that way, that seems to be the way they've been done for quite some time though. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, of course, it all makes sense now. Of course what we need is a template to write a person's name instead of just... writing their name. --[[User:Transfinite|Transfinite]] | [[User talk: Transfinite|Talk]] 00:19, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Red and Green art ==

Is it supposed to be appearing on the Pokemon pages, or is it because of the archives having problems? Not that I don't like it (it should switch the artwork all the time). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 06:37, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:I was just waiting for someone to ask this. September was the month Pokémon Red and Blue were released in North America, so the infoboxes automatically set the artwork to the RGB artwork. Simple as that. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 06:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::So why does Dragonite have its Firered/Leafgreen artwork then?----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 14:46, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::The cache needed purging. Try now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:16, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Unwelcomed users ==

I hate having to flood the RC with four or five new user welcomes, but this is getting ridiculous. It's been getting up to 10-15 in a row when I check every few days, and today there were 36 from the past few days. Would it kill some people to take a few seconds to throw up a <nowiki>{{subst:Welcome}}</nowiki> on their page? I know you're busy, but it literally takes 10-15 seconds to do it. And that's if you're slow. It's not like they're coming in every few seconds. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:47, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
:It's true folks. It isn't hard. If one user does it, then it's a lot of random new people depending on one person to fall back on. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
::There, I'm doing some welcomes. Are we happy? --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 21:05, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Not with your tone I'm not. No reason to get so excited over this. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
::::Well I'm happy that for once when I check the log that everyone got welcomes [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 11:50, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

== Pirated Games On eBay ==

Recently I did some eBay searching for [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions]] and no surprise here, most listings are pirated versions of the game coming from China or Taiwan. Same goes for other Pokémon games. What's even worse is that people that bought the pirated games are now selling them unaware of the fact. Sure eBay has guides on how to spot pirated from legitimate but either the guides have no images, have very low resolution images, or are from a different region (let's say you live in the USA and you see a legitimate European Pokémon game). I propose we create a special article that archives what each legitimate game cartridge looks like or put what a legitimate game cartridge looks like in each Pokémon game article for each region but in a high resolution image (450px in width should be enough for each Game Boy Advance cartridge for example). I am aware that [[Hack games]] article exists but I don't think that's enough. Correct me if I am wrong if something like this is already in place. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 23:18, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
:Solution: Buy it in a store. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:24, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
::Actually your proposal is flawed, these hacked games ''are built off of real cartridges'' so making an article like that will not help. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:10, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
:::@TTEchidna I could but there is one problem; older games are no longer sold in stores. Used games stores may not have a copy available. eBay is the best place to buy used copies. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 08:54, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:::@Truthseeker4449 How is my idea flawed? Common problems of pirated Pokémon games are the save feature either stops saving or doesn't work at all or the game stops functioning properly altogether. Also there are ways to test for an authentic cartridge. One example for a GBA game is if you look at the pins and tilt in such a way, if you see the Nintendo logo with or without the oval with a copyright to the left and an "AGB" code to the right, it's authentic. I don't see why having a detailed article would be a bad idea. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 08:54, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
::::It isn't the kind of thing that is appropriate for Bulbapedia. Feel free to make a user subpage ("User:Wildgoosespeeder/Identifying hacked games" or similar) or a blog on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forum.php the forums]. What you are suggesting is really a set of tips and pointers to ensure that your game is not hacked, something which is unencylopedic. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:13, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:::::My soulsliver is hacked game off ebay, the way I know is on start up the ds says the game is star wars. Also, after the credits, the game does not restart on its own, I have to turn it off and back on again. Just puttin a picture will not work, Other than what I have said, there is ''no'' way to tell it is a fake game. But it still plays nice though. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 16:48, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
::::::@SnorlaxMonster Fair enough argument but who's going to see? --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 21:04, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
::::::@Truthseeker4449 You are dead wrong. There are ways to tell if a game is pirated or not. Usually its the subtle details that determine the difference. Here's just several more examples that apply to all games. If there is American coverart and the game location is in China, it's probably a bootleg. Nintendo makes their labels nearly perfect. Pirated copies may have lopsidedness to them or things don't line up compared to the authentic counterparts. Nintendo changed there seal from "Official Nintendo Seal of Quality" to "Official Nintendo Seal" back in 2004 or something (just look at [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions]] and [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions]] for a comparison). I got a little more crazy about it [http://support.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pbgt&action=display&thread=398669 here] and [http://support.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pbgt&action=display&thread=400866 here]. Plus pirated copies hurt the developer because the money made by the pirated copies don't go to them. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 21:04, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:::::::You ask "who's going to see?", the same question applies even if it was in the mainspace. How many sellers/re-sellers are going to come to Bulbapedia to check if their game is a bootleg? Beyond that, a page would be of no use to buyers since there's often no way to ''really'' tell you're bidding on a bootleg game until it arrives at your doorstep. And, Bulbapedia definitely can't go around saying things like "If the game is American and the seller's location is China, it's probably a bootleg." that's just asking for trouble. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 23:15, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
::::::::@Kogoro Those sellers are just uninformed and most probably aren't gamers. Actually a page I am suggesting would be helpful to buyers because most eBay listings I've seen take a picture of the game cart. Some use stock images so it's a gamble. Plus if you suspect if you have a counterfeit of an item, you can file a dispute to hopefully get your money back. Sure the page will be unpopular at first but through featuring on the main page, word will get around, maybe even be featured on the first page of a search engine like Google or something. Although ideal, that may not happen exactly like that but more exposure means more informed people. When you say "asking for trouble", what do you mean? Of course in writing there is always a "draft" form before it becomes "final" with more approprate wording. Maybe instead of saying "if it is from China", say "look for games for sale in your region and not from a foreign country" or "Japan, North America, and Europe are where authentic licensed copys of Nintendo games come from". --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 00:02, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

== Suggestion ==

Wouldn't it be better if on a Pokémon's article it's stated whether the Pokémon's Hidden ability has been released, maybe with a {{tt|*|Released/Unreleased}} next to the Pokémon's Hidden ability? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 17:10, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
:Scroll down. If it has a Dream World location or a Global Link event, tah dah. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:34, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
::Except that doesn't cover the Resort Desert Darmanitans or the Friday Dreamyard Musharnas, which are in-game Pokémon with hidden abilities. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 17:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

== +/- ==

What does the +s and -s in the recent changes mean? [[User:DrBrock|DrBrock]] 21:49, 7 October 2011 (UTC)DrBrock
:Amount of characters added to or removed from the page in that edit. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 21:58, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon Rumble Blast ==

Pokémon Rumble Blast will be released in North America in two days. However, only one out of the 20+ locations has an article, and that article is barely linked to anything else.

Would it be possible for a location template to be made to link all of the stages (grouped by chapter) and towns so that creating and formatting the articles will be easier for people? I do not think I have the authority to create a template and I'd like to start editing the pages as soon as possible. Also note a template for the Pokémon that appear n each area. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 18:31, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

[[Beginning Garden]] is the only stage with a page as of now. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 18:32, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
:Like a navigation template to go at the bottom of the page? Sure, you're welcome to make one. Just run it past someone before you put it on the page to double check it. For the Pokemon that appear in each area, I can make one for you, but I need to know how the game works. Is it like the Previous Rumble where there are four ranks for each location, or is it more like Mystery Dungeon where there's just one set of Pokemon for each location? Sorry I can't be much hore help, the game doesn't come out here until December. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:01, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Rumble Blast was pre-released today.
There is only one set of Pokémon in each area and the strength levels do not increase until you clear the game.
[[Beginner's Park]] is the English name for the first level. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 21:10, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
:[[User talk:Werdnae/Sandbox/Rumble2loc/h|Here]] is what I've got so far, is there anything else that it needs to show? Is there a varying join/befriend/whatever rate per location? Are they on specific floors of the location? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:56, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
::Also, before we make a navigation template, we need to know the names of all the locations. Does someone have all 20+ English names? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:16, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

[[Beginner's Park]] [[Toy Town]] 1-1 [[Trailhead Field]] 1-2 [[Seabreeze Trail]] 1-3 [[Echo Valley]] 1-4 [[Challenger's Ground]] [[Easterly Town]] 2-1 [[Sun-Dappled Bank]] etc. Yeah. I have them. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 00:41, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
:I need a complete list of all of the names (so etc. isn't helpful). Also, we won't be including the numbers in page titles (although there will be redirects from them). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Start: [[Beginner's Park]] {{-}}
Chapter 1: [[Toy Town]], 1-1 [[Trailhead Field]], 1-2 [[Seabreeze Trail]], 1-3 [[Echo Valley]], 1-4 [[Challengers Ground]] {{-}}
Chapter 2: [[Easterly Town]] (enter passwords here), 2-1 [[Sun-Dappled Bank]] (First Team Battle), 2-2 [[Misty Edgewater]], 2-3 [[Soothing Shore]], 2-4 [[Shimmering Lake]] (First Charge Battle) {{-}}
Chapter 3: [[Westerly Town]], 3-1 [[Rugged Flats]] (First of those special rooms full of strong Pokémon. It begins with an R. Also I found my first Pokémon with an ability here.), 3-2 [[Volcanic Slope]], 3-3 [[Firebreathing Mountain]] {{-}}
Chpater 4: [[Northerly Town]], 4-1 [[Frozen Tundra]], 4-2 [[Everspring Valley]], 4-3 [[Sunny Seashore]], 4-4 [[Fallaway Edge]] {{-}}
Chapter 5: I don't know yet. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 21:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
:[[Template:Rumble Blast locations]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:21, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

: Okay. I have made the first two pages and I think they won't be deleted immediately. Anyway, we need a template for the Pokémon that can be found there or it will look very...boring. And I don't know how to make a template where you can put in a picture and list info on the area like in Mystery Dungeon. Anyway, I'll continue to create the base pages to complete a skeleton of the areas and then I'll help out when the templates have been installed. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 20:48, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== App ==

Could it be possible for Bulbapedia to be an I-Pod app? It would be so cool if it were. ----Lugia1999
:No. There was one planned, but since Nintendo has removed other, similar apps from the app stores, it will not be done, as Nintendo is treating it as copyright infringement. Further reasoning for why it will not happen can be found [[n:Legal Issues? There's an app for that|here.]] [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:49, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== What!!! ==

Not even the '''''Admins''''' can take '''''5 minutes''''' out of their busy day and press a few buttons to welcome people, or are we doing away with the welcome template all together. Either way, this is getting redictulus. Wait I now that I think about it, it doesn't '''''even take that long!!!!''''' [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 17:04, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
:Could you please calm down? If you hadn't notice there was a big influx of anime information that we have been busy with today. No need to have a meltdown because a few users didn't get welcomed.

:Also, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Kenji-girl&namespace=3&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 ahem... yeah]. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 17:17, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
::The thing is that we have to keep an eye on the rc consistently and that includes Archives, News and Pedia. We follow different time zones, belong to different countries and have a really busy life going on. Also, it is not a "top priority" or a "must do" job but still, it is nice to welcome the new users and guide them. Please have some patience, if you're not willing to do it, there's no pressure on you or any one else. We try our best to keep everything running smoothly and up to date but sometimes, the staff members might not be around. Anyway, we really appreciate all the help. Thank you, have a nice day ahead. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 17:25, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
::I can tolate a few at the top, but a dozen half way down is too far{{tt|.|closes tab and logs out}} {{unsigned|Truthseeker4449}}

:::I'm sure that if it does get too far, the Bulbapedia staff will take action on it. But everyone seems to be welcomed within the day so...Oh yeah,this just made me remember something... if anyone is wondering if this task could be automated, it had been discussed in a way [[User talk:Zhen Lin/Archive 1#WelcomeBot? (or UserBot)|here]] - ''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]]1992'' 01:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

::::Also, the "dozen halfway" may have a reason why they don't have welcome templates, as they may be banned.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 02:10, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::The automation thing has been discussed much more recently elsewhere, and it's gerenally agreed in those conversations that a) it's more friendly if a person does it and b) it gives them someone to go to for help, who at the very least knows enough to know about welcomes. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== Notice ==

Its missing. I know its on every other page of the wiki, but I think it should still be on the main page, since its probably the first thing people will see when they come here. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 17:57, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
:Speaking of the notice, the link to the main page is broken again. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
::It's looking fine to me. Maybe you're getting a cached version on some pages? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:42, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
:::I noticed it started working again. Anyway, I have question about this {{u|Ne7CbJa2Nk|user}}. I know some users with simlar names have been blocked in the last month. So before I welcome him/her/it I want comformation that it's not a sock. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
::::The notice isn't important for the Main Page. The notice is geared at editors, but we designed the new page for people visiting the wiki for their first time. Naturally, they'll want to look around a bit before they start editing. We're/I'm in the process of setting up other hub pages for editors. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

== Junichi Masuda ==

His favorite Pokémon is Victini. His favorite Pokémon used to be Pichu. It even says on his article. --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 12:20, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

== The box of links at the bottom of the main page. ==

You know that box of links to all the Bulbagarden sites? You know how each site has an image as a link, and also a word? Well the image - the grey bulb - that is supposed to link to the archives, instead links to Bulbapedia's Main page. That should be fixed. ----[[Freeze Bolt|Cyclone]][[Totodile|blaze]] ([[User:Cycloneblaze|user]] - [[User talk:Cycloneblaze|talk]]) 21:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
:Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:40, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
::...You caught me. I copy/pasted that box from the Archives Main Page. Nice catch. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:47, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
:::No problem guys, lol --[[Freeze Bolt|Cyclone]][[Totodile|blaze]] ([[User:Cycloneblaze|user]] - [[User talk:Cycloneblaze|talk]]) 16:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

== What happened...? ==

I feel like this is the best place to post this. Well, the navigation sidebar thing...what happened to it? Where's the links to Bulbanews, the Bulbagarden Archives? How come it got diminished? --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 12:23, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
:Nevermind...saw it. I'm too hasty. --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 12:24, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

== The Checkmark ==

I noticed the check mark used in some templates is not in the character pallete. It is on Bulbanews though. Should it be added for convience? Thanks [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 03:03, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
:Sure. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:46, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
::Gracias. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 20:32, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
:::So that's why the palette went from one row to two... [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:01, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
::::Your palette is two rows? Or was <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> on the same row as everything else for you (always been on the second row for me)? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:28, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Up till Trom modifed the palette, mine had always been one row. With the ✓ I have two rows with <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> being on the second row and everythig else being on the first. However my screen is only {{tt|10.1"|netbooks rule}} [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 16:34, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

== Felines introduced each region... ==

I noticed... From the start itself, each generation has introduced a feline-like Pokemon, all belonging to a two stage evolutionary line. ( Although when Sneasel was introduced, it didn't have an evolution prior to Generation IV, but it still counts, right?) This is what I've discovered: Meowth and Persian were introduced during Generation I, Sneasel was introduced during Generation II, Skitty and Delcatty were introduced too for Generation III. Glameow and Purugly belong to Generation IV (And this is where Sneasel qualifies, because Weavile is introduced.) and obviously Purrloin and Liepard were introduced during Generation V. Interesting isn't it? Just like the electric rodents ALSO introduced each generation. (Pikachu, Pichu, Plusle and Minun, Pachirisu, and Emolga) This is the same except it they are '''all''' under a 2 stage evolutionary line too. [[User:PokePuncherPal12|PokePuncherPal12]] 06:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
:Sneasel is not a cat. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 06:32, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
::This is pointed out in the trivia section on the [[Generation II]] article that it was the only generation not to include a 2 stage cat-like evolutionary line. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 23:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh... sorry... I didn't check its entry. Thanks for the info. [[User:PokePuncherPal12|PokePuncherPal12]] 13:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

== stubs ==

On the find or fix a stub page It says there are featured stubs on the main page. I don't see any!whats with that?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 23:58, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
:Thank you for pointing that out, in the haste of spicing up the main page, the staff must of forgotten to update that page. I'm sure an admin will be along soon and they will {{tt|fix that|I'll assume the page is protected}}. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 00:18, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
::{{u|the dark lord trombonator}} was planning on making an "editor's home", whereas the Main Page is more of a "reader's home". So it will be on that page when it is made. I guess I can just hide it for now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
::: '''If you are looking for Stubs''' , there is a ''Lend a Hand'' in the Main page. Click on that and then click on stubs --✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poke''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 13:21, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thanks for the help guys.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 17:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

== There seems to be an error in the featured content ==

Ancient Family Matters! (Japanese: ラムパルドＶＳトリデプス！！ Rampard VS Trideps!!) is the ''71st episode of the original series'', and the 573rd episode of the Pokémon anime.

Pretty sure it is the 107th episode of the DP series :p.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:22, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== Error ==

'Blue Flare (Japanese: あおいほのお Blue Fire) is an Fire-type move that was introduced in Generation V.' Surely it should be 'Blue Flare (Japanese: あおいほのお Blue Fire) is '''a''' Fire-type move that was introduced in Generation V.' ----[[User:Cacnea7642|Cacnea]][[User Talk:Cacnea7642|7642]] 07:17, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
:Thank you for pointing out the error, it has been fixed now. Have a nice day. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 07:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

== Featured Content - Magnemite ==

Just wondering, does anyone know where the claim "It took top professors over three years to fully understand my composition" came from regarding Magnemite? I haven't seen it in any section on Magnemite's article, and I didn't see it in the Magnemite Pokédex entries, either...[[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 20:47, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
:Magnemite was {{t|Electric}} in Gen I, and then they added {{t|Steel}} in Gen II. It was 3+ years between each game (it all depends on if you count the Jp or U.S. release) until top [[Pokémon Professor|professors]] figured it out. Granted, we don't technically know when Magnemite was first discovered, so I suppose it could actually be longer. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:32, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

== Cry lengths of Pokémon ==

Would it be possible for a page listing Pokémon by the length of their cries? I am curious which has the longest and shortest cries, and this website does not yet list Pokémon in such a manner. {{unsigned|Squirrelfeet}}
:To me, it seems too difficult to measure presicely which cries are the longest and which are the shortest, given that all of them are only a few seconds long.--[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:47, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
::The Pokédex in Black & White shows how long the cries are; I would catalog it here, but I don't have a full Pokédex. [[User:Peanut64|Peanut64]]
:::It isn't worth cataloging the length of the crys. Especially since we can't seem to get the crys to work with our software anyway. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 05:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
I have an almost full Pokédex (minus certain event Pokémon), so I could attempt to create a basic page for it. Obviously the cries can't be shown, somebody else would need to obtain all event-Pokémon information other than Victini. What do people think? .--[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] 11:09 December 30 2011

== New Article for Battle things ==

Certain aspects of the game that have always confused me a bit are the phrases that appear during battle such as "'''But it failed'''", or "'''It doesn't affect __'''" (which I've discovered is actually different from "'''It didn't affect ___'''"). "'''But it missed'''" is simple enough, but there are other which I don't understand. I do not know the details personally, but I would find the info very useful, so I am requesting someone to create an article which explains what all of those things that appear in a battle actually mean.--[[User:Coin945|Coin945]] 03:22, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
:"But it failed" is usually the [[Status move|Non-damaging]] version of "But it missed", which can be either [[Physical move|Physical]] or [[Special move|Special]]. Not affecting a Pokémon refers to an immunity, for example {{type|Ground}}s are immune to {{type|Electric}} attacks, and so on. An immunity can also be based on an ability, such as a Pokémon with {{a|Insomnia}} will not be able to fall asleep. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:31, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you. That makes it much more clear :D However, whilst playing Crystal (the one I'm playing at the moment), I swear that sometimes, even if the pokemon is not immune to the move, it will still say "'''it didn't affect'''", and I don't know why... '''doesn't''' implies that is never affects it, but when it says '''didn't''' it sounds like it means the same thing at '''but it failed'''.--[[User:Coin945|Coin945]] 06:46, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
:::I think that "it didn't affect" would be used if a damaging move fails; for example, if a pokemon used Dream Eater while the target was not asleep.--[[User:Tk3141|tk3141]] 10:38, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Nope, Dream Eater is still "It doesn't affect" (in Gen V at least). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:06, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

== upgrade? ==

ever since dec/16/2011, all tamplates or user boxes are now square. They used to be ovaly. Whats with that?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 22:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
:Did you start using a new web browser? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:16, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
::Make sure that Compatibility Mode is not enabled. On Internet Explorer 8, a torn sheet of paper will be colored blue in the address line next to the refresh button. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:31, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I just checked, it was the computer i was using.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 23:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

== Main Page Mistake ==

On Third day of Christmas: Three French Combusken, near the end it says Hitmonlee insted of Combusken. [[User:DrBrock|DrBrock]] 22:45, 27 December 2011 (UTC)DrBrock
:Thanks for catching that.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:47, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

== Error ==

"In the anime, the city first appeared in Dawn's Early '''L'''ight". It should say Night instead of Light. --[[User:Cacnea7642|Cacnea]][[User Talk:Cacnea7642|7642]](Ho, ho, ho!) 14:01, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

== Sequæl ==
On the bit for Fishing Rally DS, today's feature, we are told
"While it contains "PokéPark" in its name, it is not related to PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure or its '''sequal'''. Instead, it is named after the real park."
[[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 00:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon Trainer Moves ==

Would it be too much if Trainers' Pokémon included movesets? Obviously it would rely on the help of several users to give information to help, and not every move may be found in a battle, although despite the challenge posed, its impliments would certainly help several users.
--[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] 11:15, December 30 2011 (UTC)
:Important Trainers like Gym Leaders and villainous team admins already get full lists of their Pokémon's movesets. Random Route Trainers really don't need this treatment. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

== Interactive Map ==

Would it be possible to impliment interactive region maps so as to be able to quickly navigate between locations? I am sure it would be very useful.--[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] 13:42 December 30 2011
:[[Bulbapedia:Sandbox#Region image maps|Like this]]? Those have been made, but I haven't gotten approval for putting them in use yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
::I didn't know you were working on these, SM. We can discuss it later. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 16:09, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, precisely like that.--[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] 12:17 December 31 2011

== TCG moves ==

could there be a project for moves only in the TCG? If not would they be put in with project TCG or project moves?--[[User:Supermon|Super]][[User Talk:Supermon|mon]] 14:49, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
:[[Moves not in the Pokémon games#In the TCG]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:53, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
okay.--[[User:Supermon|Super]][[User Talk:Supermon|mon]] 14:49, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

== Login ==

I have a question, whenever I login, I have to log back in the very next day, is there a way to keep you logged in?? It becomes rather tedious to log in every single day so is there a way to stay in?? If not can there be like a check box that says keep me logged in on the log in screen??[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 00:39, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
:There is, it has a box to check saying 'Remember my login on this browser (for a maximum of 30 days)'. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 01:24, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

== Thursday, January 4, 2012 - TM of the Day ==

There is an error in today's entry. It says it is one of six machines with four different moves, but there are actually seven:

* 01 (Mega Punch, DynamicPunch, Focus Punch, Hone Claws)
* 03 (Swords Dance, Curse, Water Pulse, Psyshock)
* 09 (Take Down, Psych Up, Bullet Seed, Venoshock)
* 34 (Bide, Swagger, Shock Wave, Sludge Wave)
* 43 (Sky Attack, Detect, Secret Power, Flame Charge)
* 48 (Rock Slide, Fire Punch, Skill Swap, Round)
* 49 (Tri Attack, Fury Cutter, Snatch, Echoed Voice)

Thought you should know. (Until next time... Anon e Mouse Jr.) [[User:Anon e Mouse Jr.|Anon e Mouse Jr.]] 01:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks; the page I got my information from was wrong. I will update accordingly. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:07, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

::It also says that TM03 is one the current 94 Technical Machines when it should say TM03 is one '''of''' the current 94. --[[User:Darth Zekrom|'''Darth''']] [[User talk:Darth Zekrom|'''Zekrom''']] 02:15, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Cool, fixed. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:25, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
::::A bit late, but I seem to remember there are ''95'' TMs instead of ''94''.--[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

== Well...Hello!! ==

Hi,i'm new around here,so if you guys have any errands to run,i'll be glad to lend some help!!--[[User:SchneeAce14|SchneeAce14]] 21:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

==Error 503==

I keep getting a message on my computer when I browse bulbapedia saying "Error 503 Service Unavailible" with a bubapedia logo next to it. What is that, and is it dangerous to my computer? [[Mothim (Pokémon)|Mothim]] [[User:Wildgoose|will]] [[User talk:Wildgoose|rule]] [[Special:Contributions/Wildgoose|all!]]-Wildgoose (and [[Dustox (Pokémon)|Dustox]] will too!) 02:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey mate, guess thst's not much to worry about,probably is a proble with your navigator (unless if you're a using Vista, then you shall give up,cause Vista is capable of jamming everything)try swichting it or you can try (if you don't have anything important to do in the main page)getting in through an external link,it worked for sometime ago when my navigator was stalling.Try it!!!!!--[[User:SchneeAce14|SchneeAce14]] 15:46, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
:That's completely wrong. Error #503 is exactly what it says it is; the service is unavailable. Click the back button and try again, usually it's just a glitch. That said, if you're getting a lot of them, don't keep reloading the page - they can be caused by high load, and so constant refreshing will only exacerbate the problem. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:17, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction mate i was about to do a huge mistake with that guy!!!Tanks a lot!!!TALLY HO!!!--[[User:SchneeAce14|SchneeAce14]] 00:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

== SOPA ==

will Bulbapedia go down if SOPA passes?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 07:29, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

== Ads on main page and reading news ==

I have a somewhat small computer, and I don't know if this has been spoken about before.
But when I'm reading the main page, sometimes the ads can get in the way, that includes the news. I have to zoom out, thus making the text smaller. It's kinda annoying. I'm just saying why not keep a set size for the pages, because it seems to change depending on the zoom.
Either that or the ads are forcing themselves into the screen to make us read them. (I know they are part of the income of Bulbapedia, I guess)
[[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 16:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
:Hey there, I don't know how much attention your message will get here, as it might be pushed down in the Recent Changes, but we've got [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/f195/bad-ad-reporting-thread-29680/ a thread on the forums] for reporting exactly this sort of thing, and it will get much more attention there. We want our readers to have the best experience possible, so any time you find a bad ad like the one you mentioned, post it there. However, ads should have disappeared once you logged in...I wish you luck in fixing your problem. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 18:40, 17 January 2012 (UTC)
::I did not realise that if you logged in, ads will disappear, because I don't bother logging in unless editing. But I guess I'll check out that bad ad thread just to be safe. Thanks! [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 07:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

== Character of the day: Wilma ==

Just reporting a small error - the "Character of the Day" section for Wilma currently says "Grandma'''n''' Wilma". I've checked her article, but I'm only seeing "Grandma Wilma", so I'm assuming the "n" is a slight mistake/typo... [[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 14:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks for pointing it out, the error has been fixed. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 18:21, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page/Archive 12

2012-01-17T16:02:55Z

Chocos0: /* Ads on main page and reading news */ new section

==Previous discussions==

* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 4|Archive 4]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 5|Archive 5]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 6|Archive 6]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 7|Archive 7]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 8|Archive 8]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 9|Archive 9]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 10|Archive 10]]
* [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 11|Archive 11]]

== Unnamed cities, towns, and villages from the anime ==

I can make a page for each region ([[Kanto]], [[Orange Archipelago]], [[Johto]], [[Hoenn]], [[Sinnoh]], and [[Unova]]) with a list of the nameless cities and towns featured in the [[Pokémon anime|anime]]. The pages show a list with an image from the episode, the featuring episode, the location (between so-and-so cities), and facts (such as festivals, events, history, leader, places of interest). Does [[Bulbapedia:Project Locations|Project Locations]] mind that?--[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]] 15:47, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:If anyone approves of this, I suggest going with "unnamed" rather than "nameless." [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 15:52, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
:Agreed! If there will be no disapproval by September 2011, I will start working on those pages.--[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]] 03:04, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
::This sounds like a good idea. Since Unova has quite a few unnamed places. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 04:13, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I think that this would be a good project to start in the userspace. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 11:00, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
::::I am sorry, "userspace"? I am still new.--[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]] 19:57, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]]-Your Userpage. Userspace includes your userpage, talk page, and any other page that starts with User:Maximoss/<name of page> --♣♣ ''[[User:Focus58|Ƒǿҫὑṩ]] [[User talk:Focus58|❺❽]]'' ♣♣ 20:02, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
I see, so a userspace is my studio, I can work in it with drafts and miss with it as much as I need, until I create my final draft as an official page. Did I get it all right?--[[User:Maximoss|Maximoss]] 04:49, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:Comments above were copied from the latest archive as the discussion is ongoing. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:34, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:Pretty much. Just remember not to make too many edits to your userspace, and read the {{bp|userspace policy}}. We are more lenient in regards to maximum number of edits per day for non-personal userspace content, but still keep the number of edits reasonable. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

== The "Current Events" area on the Main Page ==

Usually it has the last ten or whatever news items in there. RIght now there's only two, and it's been that way all day. Is there a reason for this? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 23:46, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:Sorry for the late reply, but this happened because we implemented a [[n:Category:Articles by user|new category system]] on Bulbanews, and a whole bunch of old articles were edited to fix capitalization (Immewnity to immewnity primarily). Due to the way Bulbanews works, the new articles hadn't been edited recently enough and were pushed off the list. We had to go around and make edits to the articles to get them back on this list. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 08:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

== Venn Search Feature ==

Hi, I'm Sasshen, I haven't been a member of the community really at all thusfar but I've been using the Bulbapedia wiki ever since I can remember, and I think that it would be a really cool idea to create a search engine within the wiki that can find Pokémon that match specific criteria; i.e., you could use the feature to find a Pokémon that learns both Fly AND is Fire-type, for example. The hits would all be pages which focus on Pokémon in the video games, and the fields could include Ability, Type, different Moves, etc. Anyways, it's just a suggestion, but this feature would make finding certain Pokémon to fill niches, a process that tends to take me some time... and several tabs XD.

Thank you for your consideration,

Sasshen
{{unsigned|Sasshen}}
:[http://veekun.com/dex/pokemon/search Veekun already has this], and I think the way Bulbapedia is structured would make it very, very hard to implement here. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 23:33, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh, totally forgot about veekun there haha and thank you so much for the feedback :)
{{unsigned|Sasshen}}

== Share Buttons ==

I feel that bulbapedia should have share on facebook,twitter and +1 google buttons to make it more popular and allow people to easily share and suggest information to their friends and family.This will help Bulbapedia further expand, get more contributors and grow. {{unsigned|Pokepranav}}
:Yeah, our staff is working on that feature but it is still not done yet. So, it will take some more days. Thanks for your concern :) ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 17:36, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

== Mistake ==

There's a mistake with the main template used on Pokémon pages, for the Pokémon's egg cycle it says "x minimum steps" but it's actually the maximum number of steps. The whole time the game counts your steps up to 255 afterwhich it goes back to zero and an egg will need one less cycle before it hatches. So if you receive an egg when you are 200 steps into the cycle the egg will hatch 200 earlier than its number of egg cycles multiplied by 255. [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 18:01, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
:Actually, it is right to say minimum steps because whenever you receive or hatch an egg, all the other eggs in your party roll back to 0 on their current egg cycle. So if you recieve a second egg when you are 200 steps into the cycle, it will roll back over to 0 and you will end up having to walk 200 more steps than initially were required. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 19:55, 13 August 2011 (UTC)

==Wikirby==
The link to Wikirby on the NIWA directory is broken. It should link to http://www.wikirby.info/wiki/Main_Page, but instead it links to the nonexistent http://www.wikirby.info/wiki/Kirby_Wiki. Could an admin please fix this? --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 18:34, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
:Fixed it. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 19:03, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

So I remember that the reason why there was a ban on trivia because many people at one specific time (for whatever reason) kept placing senseless trivia, which somehow affected server load. Nowadays, I occasionally see some nice (I guess) trivia removed because of the rule - an action that may also affect the server. To my point, when will that ban be removed/modified? Trivia is like one of the few things Bulbapedia has over other sites, another being the anime. Many prefer Serebii for games since some data here (like movelists) may be incomplete at times. There's Pokébeach, I guess, for TCG. So... yeah, when will this rule be changed/removed? (when replying, please note I don't really have much of an idea on the technical side of things here, like how much the server is affected) [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 04:20, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:trivia hasnt been allowed to encourage people to find other things to work on, not server load. with BW out, were still not 100% on that game, so people should be doing that, instead of trivia. occassional trivia is fine, but we cant let people go around and ONLY add trivia. its nonconstructive. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 06:00, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::Now that makes more sense :) Though for me, you sort of imply a full ban of trivia with that thing above (with few exceptions being the likes of the things below episode articles). [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|-tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26-]] 10:08, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

== Categorization of Main Page ==

Hi everyone, I'm Rassilon of Old, a new editor but long time Pokemon fan. :P Anyway, I've been reading Bulbapedia for years now, and I've only just joined today. I'm also an experienced editor on Wikia.com, so I was having a quick look at [[Special:UncategorizedPages|Uncategorized Pages]], when I saw that [[Type]] was uncategorized, as well as [[Main Page]]! So I categorized [[Type]], but I thought I would bring up the catagorization of the Main Page with the community. I think it should either be in the [[:Category:Bulbapedia|Bulbapedia category]], or a new category, {{redlink|:Category:Index|Index}}, {{redlink|:Category:Browse|Browse}}, or {{redlink|:Category:Community|Community}} should be created. I think the categorization of the main page is essential, and that this change should be implemented on Bulbapedia. I look forward to your responses, and to working with you in the future! Kind regards, [[User:Rassilon of Old|'''Rassilon of Old''']] ([[User talk:Rassilon of Old|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rassilon_of_Old|Contribs]]) 06:52, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:Rule's always been that only the Main Page is uncategorized. But whatever the guy with the thing for magnets says. Also Wikia sucks. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:27, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
::There's no reason why we can't categorize the main page. There are a few rules here that don't make sense, and I don't see why we can't change this one. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 14:18, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:::If we do decide to categorize the main page, I wouldn't go creating any of those categories. Also, the Bulbapedia equivalent of Category:Browse is {{cat|Browsing Bulbapedia}}. However, I would personally just categorize it under {{cat|Bulbapedia}}. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:05, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
::::i just figured there wasnt much of a reason to categorize it. it is what it is, and everyone knows it. if a rash of people really want it categorized, im sure we could. just didnt really see the need. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:41, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
:::::It is also possible to use css to hide the category bit at the bottom, if we don't want to see the category. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:59, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
::::::I have to agree with categorizing the [[Main_Page|Main Page]] somehow, and I support using Cascading Style Sheets to hide the category links, because who would want to see that at the bottom of the biggest page on the pedia? '''—[[User:AlexTheRose|Alex]][[User_talk:AlexTheRose|The]][[Special:Contributions/AlexTheRose|Rose]]''' 03:42, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

''(indent reset)'' So what category would you like to use then? [[:Category:Bulbapedia|Bulbapedia]]? It seems to be the most obvious choice, ''and'' it is suitable to the main page's subject. I also agree with using CSS to hide the category. [[User:Rassilon of Old|'''Rassilon of Old''']] ([[User talk:Rassilon of Old|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Rassilon_of_Old|Contribs]]) 12:39, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

== Adding Korean Pokémon Wiki Links? ==

I couldn't find any info on this so forgive me if I just didn't dig deep enough. Also, I couldn't think of a better place to post this than on the Main Page discussion, since it involves adding another language link to it (and the rest of the site for that matter).

Anyways, what's the Bulbapedia policy of adding links to another Pokémon wiki in another language, particularly a/the Korean Pokémon Wiki? I found one which is fairly extensive; they have 3700-someodd articles and it's fairly well organized and designed.
* http://ko.pokemon.wikia.com/

Plus it seems like they know Bulbapedia exists, seeing as their articles are formatted similarly:
* http://ko.pokemon.wikia.com/wiki/이상해씨_(포켓몬)

However, I'm not sure what is first required to add Korean links to articles, similar to the Japanese, French, German, etc. links which already exist. Does Bulbapedia have to first be allied/affiliated with the Korean Pokémon wiki? Or is it sinply a matter of someone simply adding the links to all the articles? I'm also not sure if there is an even larger Korean Pokémon wiki, or if you already know about these guys and they're Bulbapedia's/Bulbagarden's "enemy" or something (or allied/affiliated with one).

Whatever the case may be, I really would like to see these links added to Bulbapedia; it'll certainly make searching for Korean articles that much easier for me (and others)! Thanks for your time! :) -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 22:35, 10 August 2011 (UTC)
:The language links are only added for members of [[Encyclopædiæ Pokémonis]], a prerequisite of which is independence from wikia. This is due to wikia's general lack of care for the fanbases they are supposed to serve. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 01:12, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
::Agreed. Wikia doesn't even allow the use of independent domains as far as I know. And you're right '''''TTE''chidna''', WikiA sucks. '''—[[User:AlexTheRose|Alex]][[User_talk:AlexTheRose|The]][[Special:Contributions/AlexTheRose|Rose]]''' 03:50, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

== Mobile Site ==

Bulbapedia needs a mobile site. I view on my device all the time. Not an app but a site. e.g. M.bulbapedia.org ---- DrBrock
:Is it really necessary? No. It provides the same information, not more, not less. But that is my opinion. Yes, I do go on Bulbapedia through my iPhone almost all the time. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 00:53, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
::I wouldnt quite go that far, Han. We have been discussing a mobile site, and we almost made an app. The mobile site is a lot harder than simply copy/paste code, and with companies getting really strict on apps, thats looking questionable as well. So the real answer is, do we '''need''' one? I dont think we do, but would we ''like'' one? Yes, but it isnt in the cards right now. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 21:41, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
:::I personally feel that while ''demand'' for a mobile site will increase in the coming years due to the increase in the numbers of tablets and smartphones being produced, the fact that smartphone screens are getting bigger and both smartphones and tablets are getting more powerful means that the ''need'' for one will decrease equally as rapidly as those devices become more capable of loading pages at a suitable rate. Also factoring the advent of 4G mobile services, I don't see it being necessary now or in the future. [[User:Oshawhat?|Oshawhat?]] 16:34, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

== Wanted talk pages? ==

I was just looking through the Wanted pages and seeing what I could make, and I noticed some talk pages are wanted. If there's something to discuss about something, we'll discuss it, but are talk pages ''really'' needed? --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆Yoshis''']][[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''World☆''']] 23:00, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
:Wait, nevermind. I just saw why...--[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆Yoshis''']][[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''World☆''']] 23:10, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

== When is the ban on adding trivia going to be lifted? ==

Adding trivia is something of my area of expertise. I have no problem contributing elsewhere, but I'm just saying, this has gone on kinda long, hasn't it? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 02:20, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:I hope you guys don't mind me butting in. But I have seen some people adding trivia. Just as long as it is useful and actually contributing to the mainspace. Even I got in trouble for undoing edits made under the trivia section. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:36, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
::Whoops! I got mixed up, I was looking at a previous user's talk page and thought I was still in it. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:38, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
:did you not see the topic 5 sections before this one? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:52, 29 August 2011 (UTC)
:Do you seriously have nothing better to contribute than trivia? How empty is your life? --[[User:Transfinite|Transfinite]] | [[User talk: Transfinite|Talk]] 10:43, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
::Was that comment necessary? As you can see, this conversation ended with MAGNEDETH and you felt the need to insult Missingno.? I believe such behavior will not be tolerated on this site. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 13:51, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

== Romanization templates ==

I'm looking through the wanted pages and... what are these romanization templates supposed to be used for? I'm confused. --[[User:Transfinite|Transfinite]] | [[User talk: Transfinite|Talk]] 23:15, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
:[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Romanizations/%E4%B8%8A%E9%87%8E%E8%BE%B0%E5%A4%AB They appear to be used for the anime staff by episode pages.] I don't know why they're set up that way, that seems to be the way they've been done for quite some time though. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 23:59, 31 August 2011 (UTC)
::Oh, of course, it all makes sense now. Of course what we need is a template to write a person's name instead of just... writing their name. --[[User:Transfinite|Transfinite]] | [[User talk: Transfinite|Talk]] 00:19, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Red and Green art ==

Is it supposed to be appearing on the Pokemon pages, or is it because of the archives having problems? Not that I don't like it (it should switch the artwork all the time). '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 06:37, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:I was just waiting for someone to ask this. September was the month Pokémon Red and Blue were released in North America, so the infoboxes automatically set the artwork to the RGB artwork. Simple as that. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 06:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
::So why does Dragonite have its Firered/Leafgreen artwork then?----[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 14:46, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
:::The cache needed purging. Try now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:16, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

== Unwelcomed users ==

I hate having to flood the RC with four or five new user welcomes, but this is getting ridiculous. It's been getting up to 10-15 in a row when I check every few days, and today there were 36 from the past few days. Would it kill some people to take a few seconds to throw up a <nowiki>{{subst:Welcome}}</nowiki> on their page? I know you're busy, but it literally takes 10-15 seconds to do it. And that's if you're slow. It's not like they're coming in every few seconds. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:47, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
:It's true folks. It isn't hard. If one user does it, then it's a lot of random new people depending on one person to fall back on. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 04:14, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
::There, I'm doing some welcomes. Are we happy? --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 21:05, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Not with your tone I'm not. No reason to get so excited over this. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 02:33, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
::::Well I'm happy that for once when I check the log that everyone got welcomes [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 11:50, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

== Pirated Games On eBay ==

Recently I did some eBay searching for [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions]] and no surprise here, most listings are pirated versions of the game coming from China or Taiwan. Same goes for other Pokémon games. What's even worse is that people that bought the pirated games are now selling them unaware of the fact. Sure eBay has guides on how to spot pirated from legitimate but either the guides have no images, have very low resolution images, or are from a different region (let's say you live in the USA and you see a legitimate European Pokémon game). I propose we create a special article that archives what each legitimate game cartridge looks like or put what a legitimate game cartridge looks like in each Pokémon game article for each region but in a high resolution image (450px in width should be enough for each Game Boy Advance cartridge for example). I am aware that [[Hack games]] article exists but I don't think that's enough. Correct me if I am wrong if something like this is already in place. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 23:18, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
:Solution: Buy it in a store. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:24, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
::Actually your proposal is flawed, these hacked games ''are built off of real cartridges'' so making an article like that will not help. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:10, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
:::@TTEchidna I could but there is one problem; older games are no longer sold in stores. Used games stores may not have a copy available. eBay is the best place to buy used copies. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 08:54, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:::@Truthseeker4449 How is my idea flawed? Common problems of pirated Pokémon games are the save feature either stops saving or doesn't work at all or the game stops functioning properly altogether. Also there are ways to test for an authentic cartridge. One example for a GBA game is if you look at the pins and tilt in such a way, if you see the Nintendo logo with or without the oval with a copyright to the left and an "AGB" code to the right, it's authentic. I don't see why having a detailed article would be a bad idea. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 08:54, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
::::It isn't the kind of thing that is appropriate for Bulbapedia. Feel free to make a user subpage ("User:Wildgoosespeeder/Identifying hacked games" or similar) or a blog on [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forum.php the forums]. What you are suggesting is really a set of tips and pointers to ensure that your game is not hacked, something which is unencylopedic. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:13, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:::::My soulsliver is hacked game off ebay, the way I know is on start up the ds says the game is star wars. Also, after the credits, the game does not restart on its own, I have to turn it off and back on again. Just puttin a picture will not work, Other than what I have said, there is ''no'' way to tell it is a fake game. But it still plays nice though. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 16:48, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
::::::@SnorlaxMonster Fair enough argument but who's going to see? --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 21:04, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
::::::@Truthseeker4449 You are dead wrong. There are ways to tell if a game is pirated or not. Usually its the subtle details that determine the difference. Here's just several more examples that apply to all games. If there is American coverart and the game location is in China, it's probably a bootleg. Nintendo makes their labels nearly perfect. Pirated copies may have lopsidedness to them or things don't line up compared to the authentic counterparts. Nintendo changed there seal from "Official Nintendo Seal of Quality" to "Official Nintendo Seal" back in 2004 or something (just look at [[Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions]] and [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions]] for a comparison). I got a little more crazy about it [http://support.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pbgt&action=display&thread=398669 here] and [http://support.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=pbgt&action=display&thread=400866 here]. Plus pirated copies hurt the developer because the money made by the pirated copies don't go to them. --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 21:04, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
:::::::You ask "who's going to see?", the same question applies even if it was in the mainspace. How many sellers/re-sellers are going to come to Bulbapedia to check if their game is a bootleg? Beyond that, a page would be of no use to buyers since there's often no way to ''really'' tell you're bidding on a bootleg game until it arrives at your doorstep. And, Bulbapedia definitely can't go around saying things like "If the game is American and the seller's location is China, it's probably a bootleg." that's just asking for trouble. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 23:15, 16 October 2011 (UTC)
::::::::@Kogoro Those sellers are just uninformed and most probably aren't gamers. Actually a page I am suggesting would be helpful to buyers because most eBay listings I've seen take a picture of the game cart. Some use stock images so it's a gamble. Plus if you suspect if you have a counterfeit of an item, you can file a dispute to hopefully get your money back. Sure the page will be unpopular at first but through featuring on the main page, word will get around, maybe even be featured on the first page of a search engine like Google or something. Although ideal, that may not happen exactly like that but more exposure means more informed people. When you say "asking for trouble", what do you mean? Of course in writing there is always a "draft" form before it becomes "final" with more approprate wording. Maybe instead of saying "if it is from China", say "look for games for sale in your region and not from a foreign country" or "Japan, North America, and Europe are where authentic licensed copys of Nintendo games come from". --[[User:Wildgoosespeeder|Wildgoosespeeder]] 00:02, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

== Suggestion ==

Wouldn't it be better if on a Pokémon's article it's stated whether the Pokémon's Hidden ability has been released, maybe with a {{tt|*|Released/Unreleased}} next to the Pokémon's Hidden ability? [[User:Pikiwyn|'''Pikiwyn''']] [[User talk:Pikiwyn|<tt>'''''talk'''''</tt>]] 17:10, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
:Scroll down. If it has a Dream World location or a Global Link event, tah dah. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:34, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
::Except that doesn't cover the Resort Desert Darmanitans or the Friday Dreamyard Musharnas, which are in-game Pokémon with hidden abilities. —[[User:Minimiscience|Minimiscience]] 17:06, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

== +/- ==

What does the +s and -s in the recent changes mean? [[User:DrBrock|DrBrock]] 21:49, 7 October 2011 (UTC)DrBrock
:Amount of characters added to or removed from the page in that edit. - [[User:Blazios|Blazios]] [[User Talk:Blazios|talk]] 21:58, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon Rumble Blast ==

Pokémon Rumble Blast will be released in North America in two days. However, only one out of the 20+ locations has an article, and that article is barely linked to anything else.

Would it be possible for a location template to be made to link all of the stages (grouped by chapter) and towns so that creating and formatting the articles will be easier for people? I do not think I have the authority to create a template and I'd like to start editing the pages as soon as possible. Also note a template for the Pokémon that appear n each area. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 18:31, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

[[Beginning Garden]] is the only stage with a page as of now. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 18:32, 22 October 2011 (UTC)
:Like a navigation template to go at the bottom of the page? Sure, you're welcome to make one. Just run it past someone before you put it on the page to double check it. For the Pokemon that appear in each area, I can make one for you, but I need to know how the game works. Is it like the Previous Rumble where there are four ranks for each location, or is it more like Mystery Dungeon where there's just one set of Pokemon for each location? Sorry I can't be much hore help, the game doesn't come out here until December. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 19:01, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

Rumble Blast was pre-released today.
There is only one set of Pokémon in each area and the strength levels do not increase until you clear the game.
[[Beginner's Park]] is the English name for the first level. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 21:10, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
:[[User talk:Werdnae/Sandbox/Rumble2loc/h|Here]] is what I've got so far, is there anything else that it needs to show? Is there a varying join/befriend/whatever rate per location? Are they on specific floors of the location? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 04:56, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
::Also, before we make a navigation template, we need to know the names of all the locations. Does someone have all 20+ English names? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 09:16, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

[[Beginner's Park]] [[Toy Town]] 1-1 [[Trailhead Field]] 1-2 [[Seabreeze Trail]] 1-3 [[Echo Valley]] 1-4 [[Challenger's Ground]] [[Easterly Town]] 2-1 [[Sun-Dappled Bank]] etc. Yeah. I have them. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 00:41, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
:I need a complete list of all of the names (so etc. isn't helpful). Also, we won't be including the numbers in page titles (although there will be redirects from them). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:12, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Start: [[Beginner's Park]] {{-}}
Chapter 1: [[Toy Town]], 1-1 [[Trailhead Field]], 1-2 [[Seabreeze Trail]], 1-3 [[Echo Valley]], 1-4 [[Challengers Ground]] {{-}}
Chapter 2: [[Easterly Town]] (enter passwords here), 2-1 [[Sun-Dappled Bank]] (First Team Battle), 2-2 [[Misty Edgewater]], 2-3 [[Soothing Shore]], 2-4 [[Shimmering Lake]] (First Charge Battle) {{-}}
Chapter 3: [[Westerly Town]], 3-1 [[Rugged Flats]] (First of those special rooms full of strong Pokémon. It begins with an R. Also I found my first Pokémon with an ability here.), 3-2 [[Volcanic Slope]], 3-3 [[Firebreathing Mountain]] {{-}}
Chpater 4: [[Northerly Town]], 4-1 [[Frozen Tundra]], 4-2 [[Everspring Valley]], 4-3 [[Sunny Seashore]], 4-4 [[Fallaway Edge]] {{-}}
Chapter 5: I don't know yet. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 21:32, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
:[[Template:Rumble Blast locations]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 02:21, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

: Okay. I have made the first two pages and I think they won't be deleted immediately. Anyway, we need a template for the Pokémon that can be found there or it will look very...boring. And I don't know how to make a template where you can put in a picture and list info on the area like in Mystery Dungeon. Anyway, I'll continue to create the base pages to complete a skeleton of the areas and then I'll help out when the templates have been installed. ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] ''([[User talk:Sparen|talk]])'' 20:48, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== App ==

Could it be possible for Bulbapedia to be an I-Pod app? It would be so cool if it were. ----Lugia1999
:No. There was one planned, but since Nintendo has removed other, similar apps from the app stores, it will not be done, as Nintendo is treating it as copyright infringement. Further reasoning for why it will not happen can be found [[n:Legal Issues? There's an app for that|here.]] [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:49, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

== What!!! ==

Not even the '''''Admins''''' can take '''''5 minutes''''' out of their busy day and press a few buttons to welcome people, or are we doing away with the welcome template all together. Either way, this is getting redictulus. Wait I now that I think about it, it doesn't '''''even take that long!!!!''''' [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 17:04, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
:Could you please calm down? If you hadn't notice there was a big influx of anime information that we have been busy with today. No need to have a meltdown because a few users didn't get welcomed.

:Also, [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=500&tagFilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Kenji-girl&namespace=3&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 ahem... yeah]. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 17:17, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
::The thing is that we have to keep an eye on the rc consistently and that includes Archives, News and Pedia. We follow different time zones, belong to different countries and have a really busy life going on. Also, it is not a "top priority" or a "must do" job but still, it is nice to welcome the new users and guide them. Please have some patience, if you're not willing to do it, there's no pressure on you or any one else. We try our best to keep everything running smoothly and up to date but sometimes, the staff members might not be around. Anyway, we really appreciate all the help. Thank you, have a nice day ahead. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 17:25, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
::I can tolate a few at the top, but a dozen half way down is too far{{tt|.|closes tab and logs out}} {{unsigned|Truthseeker4449}}

:::I'm sure that if it does get too far, the Bulbapedia staff will take action on it. But everyone seems to be welcomed within the day so...Oh yeah,this just made me remember something... if anyone is wondering if this task could be automated, it had been discussed in a way [[User talk:Zhen Lin/Archive 1#WelcomeBot? (or UserBot)|here]] - ''[[User:Vhayes1992|Vhayes]]1992'' 01:24, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

::::Also, the "dozen halfway" may have a reason why they don't have welcome templates, as they may be banned.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 02:10, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::The automation thing has been discussed much more recently elsewhere, and it's gerenally agreed in those conversations that a) it's more friendly if a person does it and b) it gives them someone to go to for help, who at the very least knows enough to know about welcomes. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:32, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

== Notice ==

Its missing. I know its on every other page of the wiki, but I think it should still be on the main page, since its probably the first thing people will see when they come here. [[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']][[Latios (Pokémon)| Δ ]] 17:57, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
:Speaking of the notice, the link to the main page is broken again. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:26, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
::It's looking fine to me. Maybe you're getting a cached version on some pages? [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:42, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
:::I noticed it started working again. Anyway, I have question about this {{u|Ne7CbJa2Nk|user}}. I know some users with simlar names have been blocked in the last month. So before I welcome him/her/it I want comformation that it's not a sock. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
::::The notice isn't important for the Main Page. The notice is geared at editors, but we designed the new page for people visiting the wiki for their first time. Naturally, they'll want to look around a bit before they start editing. We're/I'm in the process of setting up other hub pages for editors. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:18, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

== Junichi Masuda ==

His favorite Pokémon is Victini. His favorite Pokémon used to be Pichu. It even says on his article. --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 12:20, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

== The box of links at the bottom of the main page. ==

You know that box of links to all the Bulbagarden sites? You know how each site has an image as a link, and also a word? Well the image - the grey bulb - that is supposed to link to the archives, instead links to Bulbapedia's Main page. That should be fixed. ----[[Freeze Bolt|Cyclone]][[Totodile|blaze]] ([[User:Cycloneblaze|user]] - [[User talk:Cycloneblaze|talk]]) 21:38, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
:Fixed. Thanks for pointing it out. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 21:40, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
::...You caught me. I copy/pasted that box from the Archives Main Page. Nice catch. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:47, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
:::No problem guys, lol --[[Freeze Bolt|Cyclone]][[Totodile|blaze]] ([[User:Cycloneblaze|user]] - [[User talk:Cycloneblaze|talk]]) 16:35, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

== What happened...? ==

I feel like this is the best place to post this. Well, the navigation sidebar thing...what happened to it? Where's the links to Bulbanews, the Bulbagarden Archives? How come it got diminished? --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 12:23, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
:Nevermind...saw it. I'm too hasty. --[[User:YoshisWorld|'''☆ヨッシ''']] [[Special:Contributions/YoshisWorld|'''ー''']] [[User talk:YoshisWorld|'''の世界☆''']] 12:24, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

== The Checkmark ==

I noticed the check mark used in some templates is not in the character pallete. It is on Bulbanews though. Should it be added for convience? Thanks [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 03:03, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
:Sure. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:46, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
::Gracias. [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 20:32, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
:::So that's why the palette went from one row to two... [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 21:01, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
::::Your palette is two rows? Or was <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> on the same row as everything else for you (always been on the second row for me)? --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:28, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::Up till Trom modifed the palette, mine had always been one row. With the ✓ I have two rows with <nowiki>{{subst:welcome}}</nowiki> being on the second row and everythig else being on the first. However my screen is only {{tt|10.1"|netbooks rule}} [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 16:34, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

== Felines introduced each region... ==

I noticed... From the start itself, each generation has introduced a feline-like Pokemon, all belonging to a two stage evolutionary line. ( Although when Sneasel was introduced, it didn't have an evolution prior to Generation IV, but it still counts, right?) This is what I've discovered: Meowth and Persian were introduced during Generation I, Sneasel was introduced during Generation II, Skitty and Delcatty were introduced too for Generation III. Glameow and Purugly belong to Generation IV (And this is where Sneasel qualifies, because Weavile is introduced.) and obviously Purrloin and Liepard were introduced during Generation V. Interesting isn't it? Just like the electric rodents ALSO introduced each generation. (Pikachu, Pichu, Plusle and Minun, Pachirisu, and Emolga) This is the same except it they are '''all''' under a 2 stage evolutionary line too. [[User:PokePuncherPal12|PokePuncherPal12]] 06:30, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
:Sneasel is not a cat. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 06:32, 7 November 2011 (UTC)
::This is pointed out in the trivia section on the [[Generation II]] article that it was the only generation not to include a 2 stage cat-like evolutionary line. [[User:PkmnChmp5|PkmnChmp5]] 23:13, 8 November 2011 (UTC)
Oh... sorry... I didn't check its entry. Thanks for the info. [[User:PokePuncherPal12|PokePuncherPal12]] 13:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)

== stubs ==

On the find or fix a stub page It says there are featured stubs on the main page. I don't see any!whats with that?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 23:58, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
:Thank you for pointing that out, in the haste of spicing up the main page, the staff must of forgotten to update that page. I'm sure an admin will be along soon and they will {{tt|fix that|I'll assume the page is protected}}. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 00:18, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
::{{u|the dark lord trombonator}} was planning on making an "editor's home", whereas the Main Page is more of a "reader's home". So it will be on that page when it is made. I guess I can just hide it for now. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:15, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
::: '''If you are looking for Stubs''' , there is a ''Lend a Hand'' in the Main page. Click on that and then click on stubs --✔[[User:Poke.geek|'''Poke''']][[User talk:Poke.geek|'''.geek''']][[Special:Contributions/Poke.geek|™]]✔ 13:21, 13 November 2011 (UTC)
thanks for the help guys.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 17:59, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

== There seems to be an error in the featured content ==

Ancient Family Matters! (Japanese: ラムパルドＶＳトリデプス！！ Rampard VS Trideps!!) is the ''71st episode of the original series'', and the 573rd episode of the Pokémon anime.

Pretty sure it is the 107th episode of the DP series :p.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Reshiram (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Zekrom (Pokémon)|ire]] 06:22, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

== Error ==

'Blue Flare (Japanese: あおいほのお Blue Fire) is an Fire-type move that was introduced in Generation V.' Surely it should be 'Blue Flare (Japanese: あおいほのお Blue Fire) is '''a''' Fire-type move that was introduced in Generation V.' ----[[User:Cacnea7642|Cacnea]][[User Talk:Cacnea7642|7642]] 07:17, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
:Thank you for pointing out the error, it has been fixed now. Have a nice day. ♫♪ [[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']] ♪♫ 07:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

== Featured Content - Magnemite ==

Just wondering, does anyone know where the claim "It took top professors over three years to fully understand my composition" came from regarding Magnemite? I haven't seen it in any section on Magnemite's article, and I didn't see it in the Magnemite Pokédex entries, either...[[User:Fenyx4|Fenyx4]] 20:47, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
:Magnemite was {{t|Electric}} in Gen I, and then they added {{t|Steel}} in Gen II. It was 3+ years between each game (it all depends on if you count the Jp or U.S. release) until top [[Pokémon Professor|professors]] figured it out. Granted, we don't technically know when Magnemite was first discovered, so I suppose it could actually be longer. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 22:32, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

== Cry lengths of Pokémon ==

Would it be possible for a page listing Pokémon by the length of their cries? I am curious which has the longest and shortest cries, and this website does not yet list Pokémon in such a manner. {{unsigned|Squirrelfeet}}
:To me, it seems too difficult to measure presicely which cries are the longest and which are the shortest, given that all of them are only a few seconds long.--[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:47, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
::The Pokédex in Black & White shows how long the cries are; I would catalog it here, but I don't have a full Pokédex. [[User:Peanut64|Peanut64]]
:::It isn't worth cataloging the length of the crys. Especially since we can't seem to get the crys to work with our software anyway. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 05:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
I have an almost full Pokédex (minus certain event Pokémon), so I could attempt to create a basic page for it. Obviously the cries can't be shown, somebody else would need to obtain all event-Pokémon information other than Victini. What do people think? .--[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] 11:09 December 30 2011

== New Article for Battle things ==

Certain aspects of the game that have always confused me a bit are the phrases that appear during battle such as "'''But it failed'''", or "'''It doesn't affect __'''" (which I've discovered is actually different from "'''It didn't affect ___'''"). "'''But it missed'''" is simple enough, but there are other which I don't understand. I do not know the details personally, but I would find the info very useful, so I am requesting someone to create an article which explains what all of those things that appear in a battle actually mean.--[[User:Coin945|Coin945]] 03:22, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
:"But it failed" is usually the [[Status move|Non-damaging]] version of "But it missed", which can be either [[Physical move|Physical]] or [[Special move|Special]]. Not affecting a Pokémon refers to an immunity, for example {{type|Ground}}s are immune to {{type|Electric}} attacks, and so on. An immunity can also be based on an ability, such as a Pokémon with {{a|Insomnia}} will not be able to fall asleep. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 03:31, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you. That makes it much more clear :D However, whilst playing Crystal (the one I'm playing at the moment), I swear that sometimes, even if the pokemon is not immune to the move, it will still say "'''it didn't affect'''", and I don't know why... '''doesn't''' implies that is never affects it, but when it says '''didn't''' it sounds like it means the same thing at '''but it failed'''.--[[User:Coin945|Coin945]] 06:46, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

== upgrade? ==

ever since dec/16/2011, all tamplates or user boxes are now square. They used to be ovaly. Whats with that?--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 22:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
:Did you start using a new web browser? [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 22:16, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
::Make sure that Compatibility Mode is not enabled. On Internet Explorer 8, a torn sheet of paper will be colored blue in the address line next to the refresh button. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truth]][[User talk:Truthseeker4449|seeker]][[Special:Contributions/Truthseeker4449|4449]] 22:31, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
I just checked, it was the computer i was using.--[[User:Supermon|Supermon]] 23:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

== Main Page Mistake ==

On Third day of Christmas: Three French Combusken, near the end it says Hitmonlee insted of Combusken. [[User:DrBrock|DrBrock]] 22:45, 27 December 2011 (UTC)DrBrock
:Thanks for catching that.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 22:47, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

== Error ==

"In the anime, the city first appeared in Dawn's Early '''L'''ight". It should say Night instead of Light. --[[User:Cacnea7642|Cacnea]][[User Talk:Cacnea7642|7642]](Ho, ho, ho!) 14:01, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

== Sequæl ==
On the bit for Fishing Rally DS, today's feature, we are told
"While it contains "PokéPark" in its name, it is not related to PokéPark Wii: Pikachu's Adventure or its '''sequal'''. Instead, it is named after the real park."
[[User:Colintron|Colintron]] 00:15, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

== Pokémon Trainer Moves ==

Would it be too much if Trainers' Pokémon included movesets? Obviously it would rely on the help of several users to give information to help, and not every move may be found in a battle, although despite the challenge posed, its impliments would certainly help several users.
--[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] 11:15, December 30 2011 (UTC)
:Important Trainers like Gym Leaders and villainous team admins already get full lists of their Pokémon's movesets. Random Route Trainers really don't need this treatment. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

== Interactive Map ==

Would it be possible to impliment interactive region maps so as to be able to quickly navigate between locations? I am sure it would be very useful.--[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] 13:42 December 30 2011
:[[Bulbapedia:Sandbox#Region image maps|Like this]]? Those have been made, but I haven't gotten approval for putting them in use yet. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 13:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
::I didn't know you were working on these, SM. We can discuss it later. -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[Special:Contributions/MAGNEDETH|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 16:09, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes, precisely like that.--[[User:Squirrelfeet|Squirrelfeet]] 12:17 December 31 2011

== TCG moves ==

could there be a project for moves only in the TCG? If not would they be put in with project TCG or project moves?--[[User:Supermon|Super]][[User Talk:Supermon|mon]] 14:49, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
:[[Moves not in the Pokémon games#In the TCG]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:53, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
okay.--[[User:Supermon|Super]][[User Talk:Supermon|mon]] 14:49, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

== Login ==

I have a question, whenever I login, I have to log back in the very next day, is there a way to keep you logged in?? It becomes rather tedious to log in every single day so is there a way to stay in?? If not can there be like a check box that says keep me logged in on the log in screen??[[User:1rkhachatryan|RBK]] 00:39, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
:There is, it has a box to check saying 'Remember my login on this browser (for a maximum of 30 days)'. --[[User:Spriteit|Spriteit]] 01:24, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

== Thursday, January 4, 2012 - TM of the Day ==

There is an error in today's entry. It says it is one of six machines with four different moves, but there are actually seven:

* 01 (Mega Punch, DynamicPunch, Focus Punch, Hone Claws)
* 03 (Swords Dance, Curse, Water Pulse, Psyshock)
* 09 (Take Down, Psych Up, Bullet Seed, Venoshock)
* 34 (Bide, Swagger, Shock Wave, Sludge Wave)
* 43 (Sky Attack, Detect, Secret Power, Flame Charge)
* 48 (Rock Slide, Fire Punch, Skill Swap, Round)
* 49 (Tri Attack, Fury Cutter, Snatch, Echoed Voice)

Thought you should know. (Until next time... Anon e Mouse Jr.) [[User:Anon e Mouse Jr.|Anon e Mouse Jr.]] 01:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:Thanks; the page I got my information from was wrong. I will update accordingly. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:07, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

::It also says that TM03 is one the current 94 Technical Machines when it should say TM03 is one '''of''' the current 94. --[[User:Darth Zekrom|'''Darth''']] [[User talk:Darth Zekrom|'''Zekrom''']] 02:15, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Cool, fixed. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 02:25, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
::::A bit late, but I seem to remember there are ''95'' TMs instead of ''94''.--[[User:Chalkwriter|Chalk]][[User talk:Chalkwriter|writer]] 19:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

== Well...Hello!! ==

Hi,i'm new around here,so if you guys have any errands to run,i'll be glad to lend some help!!--[[User:SchneeAce14|SchneeAce14]] 21:05, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

==Error 503==

I keep getting a message on my computer when I browse bulbapedia saying "Error 503 Service Unavailible" with a bubapedia logo next to it. What is that, and is it dangerous to my computer? [[Mothim (Pokémon)|Mothim]] [[User:Wildgoose|will]] [[User talk:Wildgoose|rule]] [[Special:Contributions/Wildgoose|all!]]-Wildgoose (and [[Dustox (Pokémon)|Dustox]] will too!) 02:04, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Hey mate, guess thst's not much to worry about,probably is a proble with your navigator (unless if you're a using Vista, then you shall give up,cause Vista is capable of jamming everything)try swichting it or you can try (if you don't have anything important to do in the main page)getting in through an external link,it worked for sometime ago when my navigator was stalling.Try it!!!!!--[[User:SchneeAce14|SchneeAce14]] 15:46, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
:That's completely wrong. Error #503 is exactly what it says it is; the service is unavailable. Click the back button and try again, usually it's just a glitch. That said, if you're getting a lot of them, don't keep reloading the page - they can be caused by high load, and so constant refreshing will only exacerbate the problem. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:17, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction mate i was about to do a huge mistake with that guy!!!Tanks a lot!!!TALLY HO!!!--[[User:SchneeAce14|SchneeAce14]] 00:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

== SOPA ==

will Bulbapedia go down if SOPA passes?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 07:29, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

== Ads on main page and reading news ==

I have a somewhat small computer, and I don't know if this has been spoken about before.
But when I'm reading the main page, sometimes the ads can get in the way, that includes the news. I have to zoom out, thus making the text smaller. It's kinda annoying. I'm just saying why not keep a set size for the pages, because it seems to change depending on the zoom.
Either that or the ads are forcing themselves into the screen to make us read them. (I know they are part of the income of Bulbapedia, I guess)
[[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 16:02, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Battle Frontier (Generation IV)

2011-12-21T05:38:29Z

Chocos0:

{{Featured}}
{{split|{{redlink|Battle Tower (Generation IV)}}, {{redlink|Battle Factory (Generation IV)}}, {{redlink|Battle Arcade}}, {{redlink|Battle Castle}}, and {{redlink|Battle Hall}}}}
{{Incomplete|needs=No TCG section}}
{{Infobox location
|image=Battle Frontier GenIV.jpg
|type=road
|location_name=Battle Frontier
|japanese_name=バトルフロンティア
|translated_name=Battle Frontier
|location=[[Battle Zone]] (Sinnoh) {{rt|40|Johto}} (Johto)
|region=Sinnoh
|region2=Johto
|generation={{gen|IV}}
|map=FrontierPHGSS.gif
}}

The '''Battle Frontier''' (Japanese: '''バトルフロンティア''' ''Battle Frontier'') is a special post-league area featured in the [[Generation IV]] games, {{game|Platinum}}, {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}. It is similar to the Battle Frontier featured in {{game|Emerald}}, the [[Hoenn]] {{gdis|Battle Frontier|III}}. The key difference is the number of facilities and the challenges they hold.

This Frontier is found in two regions, [[Sinnoh]] and [[Johto]]; each region's Frontier is identical in facilities and appearance. The Sinnoh Frontier is located north of the [[Fight Area]] in the place of {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}'s {{si|Battle Park}}. The Johto Frontier is located west of [[Olivine City]], where the {{jo|Battle Tower}} was located in {{game|Crystal}}. Access to Johto's frontier is through the [[Frontier Access]]. Each of the facilities in the Battle Frontier has a leader, the [[Frontier Brain]], who may be challenged after certain {{wp|winning streak (sports)|winning streaks}} have been made through their respective facilities. Defeating the Frontier Brains will earn the player [[commemorative print]]s.

Only two of the facilities had been featured in Pokémon games prior to the Battle Frontier's debut in Platinum. The Battle Tower and Battle Factory were both present in Emerald; the Battle Tower has been in every game since its debut in Crystal, excluding FireRed and LeafGreen, which featured a similar facility called [[Trainer Tower]].

==Overview==
[[File:Battle Frontier IV map.png|thumb|300px|right|Overview of the Battle Frontier]]
Upon the player's first entry into the Battle Frontier, their [[Vs. Recorder]] will be upgraded with a {{DL|Vs. Recorder|Frontier Record}} by a woman at the entrance. The Vs. Recorder keeps the amount of [[Battle Point]]s the players has. It also contains the [[commemorative print]]s obtained from the Battle Frontier. One {{pkmn|battle}} from within one of the facilities may be recorded and stored on the Frontier Record, which may be watched or overwritten with another at any time.

On winning through a set amount of battles in any given facility, [[Battle Points]], or BP, will be awarded, usually in small amounts, but gradually growing through each consecutive streak. Defeating the Frontier Brain of a given facility for the first time awards the silver commemorative print of that facility, while the second defeat of the same Brain gives the commemorative print a golden color. They are the equivalent of a [[badge]], and equivalent to the [[symbol]]s from [[Hoenn]]'s {{OBP|Battle Frontier|Generation III}}. The Frontier Brain will only appear in single battle mode. Also, defeating a Brain will always yield a 20BP reward. Battles conducted here do not award [[experience]] or [[Pokémon Dollar|money]]. Also, Pokémon seen in the battles will not be added to the [[Pokédex]].

[[File:Battle Frontier center.png|thumb|right|200px|The center of the Battle Frontier, with a map showing the five battle facilities]]
There are usually three forms of challenges. The first of these challenges is the standard single battle in which the challenger must engage in seven three on three battles in a row. Winning a set of seven battles earns the player [[Battle Point]]s. The second of these challenges follows the same layout as the standard single battle but are rather conducted as [[double battles]]. Each facility also offers Multi Battles that two players can participate in, using the Nintendo DS's Wireless Connection, to increase their record. The Battle Frontier also allows players from around the world connect together using {{wp|Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection}} to take part in multi Battles in any of the Battle Frontier facilities. This can be done by going to the Wi-Fi Club on the basement floor of any [[Pokémon Center]], and selecting the Battle Frontier function. However, both players must have entered the [[Hall of Fame]] and visited the Battle Frontier at least once.

Regardless of what challenge is taken, the following Pokémon are not allowed:

{| align="center" style="background: #505050; {{roundy}}; border: 2px solid #6f6f6f"
|- align="center"
| style="background: #fff; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{MSP|150|Mewtwo}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Mewtwo}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{MSP|151|Mew}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Mew}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{MSP|249|Lugia}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Lugia}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{MSP|250|Ho-Oh}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Ho-Oh}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{MSP|251|Celebi}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Celebi}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{MSP|382|Kyogre}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Kyogre}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{MSP|383|Groudon}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{p|Groudon}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| {{MSP|384|Rayquaza}}
| {{p|Rayquaza}}
| {{MSP|385|Jirachi}}
| {{p|Jirachi}}
| {{MSP|386|Deoxys}}
| {{p|Deoxys}} [[Form differences#Deoxys|Normal Forme]]
| {{MSP|386A|Deoxys}}
| {{p|Deoxys}} [[Form differences#Deoxys|Attack Forme]]
| {{MSP|386D|Deoxys}}
| {{p|Deoxys}} [[Form differences#Deoxys|Defense Forme]]
| {{MSP|386S|Deoxys}}
| {{p|Deoxys}} [[Form differences#Deoxys|Speed Forme]]
| {{MSP|479O|Rotom}}
| {{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|If an attempt is made to enter Rotom's alternate forms, it will revert to its base form.}} [[Form differences#Rotom|Heat Rotom]]
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| {{MSP|479W|Rotom}}
| {{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|If an attempt is made to enter Rotom's alternate forms, it will revert to its base form.}} [[Form differences#Rotom|Wash Rotom]]
| {{MSP|479R|Rotom}}
| {{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|If an attempt is made to enter Rotom's alternate forms, it will revert to its base form.}} [[Form differences#Rotom|Frost Rotom]]
| {{MSP|479F|Rotom}}
| {{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|If an attempt is made to enter Rotom's alternate forms, it will revert to its base form.}} [[Form differences#Rotom|Fan Rotom]]
| {{MSP|479L|Rotom}}
| {{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|If an attempt is made to enter Rotom's alternate forms, it will revert to its base form.}} [[Form differences#Rotom|Mow Rotom]]
| {{MSP|483|Dialga}}
| {{p|Dialga}}
| {{MSP|484|Palkia}}
| {{p|Palkia}}
| {{MSP|487|Giratina}}
| {{p|Giratina}} [[Form differences#Giratina|Altered Forme]]
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| {{MSP|487O|Giratina}}
| {{p|Giratina}} [[Form differences#Giratina|Origin Forme]]
| {{MSP|489|Phione}}
| {{p|Phione}}
| {{MSP|490|Manaphy}}
| {{p|Manaphy}}
| {{MSP|491|Darkrai}}
| {{p|Darkrai}}
| {{MSP|492|Shaymin}}
| {{p|Shaymin}} [[Form differences#Shaymin|Land Forme]]
| {{MSP|492S|Shaymin}}
| {{p|Shaymin}} [[Form differences#Shaymin|Sky Forme]]
| {{MSP|493|Arceus}}
| {{p|Arceus}}
|- align="center"
|
|
|
|
| style="background: #fff;" | {{MSP|172|Pichu}}
| style="background: #fff;" | [[Spiky-eared Pichu|Spiky-eared]] {{p|Pichu}}
| style="background: #fff;" | {{MS|Egg|Pokémon egg}}
| style="background: #fff;" | {{pkmn|egg|Egg}}
| style="background: #fff;" | {{MS|ManaphyEgg|Pokémon egg}}
| style="background: #fff;" | {{p|Manaphy}} {{pkmn|egg|Egg}}
|
|
|
|
|}
The [[Soul Dew]] is disabled.

==Facilities==
===Battle Tower===
{{Facility infobox
|name=Tower
|jname=バトルタワー
|jtrans=Battle Tower
|image=Battle Tower IV.jpg
|color=tower
|slogon=Never Lose! Keep Winning!
|bpr=7
|partsing=3
|partdoub=4
|BP=Normal
|brain=Tower Tycoon Palmer
|brainvs=VSPalmer
|silver=21
|gold=49
}}
The '''Battle Tower''' (Japanese: '''バトルタワー''' ''Battle Tower'') is identical to the {{si|Battle Tower}} in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. It is the northernmost facility in the Battle Frontier, and has a direct path to it from the entrance. It is on a large, glass platform that elevates above all the other facilities, making it the head of the Battle Frontier. The same small boy who stands in front of the Battle Tower in {{OBP|Battle Frontier|Generation III|Hoenn's Battle Frontier}}, is also standing outside this one.

The player battles seven Trainers consecutively in a simple knock-out, progressively becoming more difficult. Before entering, Trainers will choose three Pokémon to battle, their [[level]] reduced to 50. Players are not allowed to bring Pokémon with the same items here. Consumed items, such as [[Berry|Berries]], will be replaced after each battle. The player's Pokémon will also be healed completely after each battle. Players will then have the option to continue, rest, retire, or get their most recent battle recorded on their [[Vs. Recorder]]. The difficulty of battles here is based on how many rounds the player endures; the first round features fast opponents, the second round has opponent's Pokémon holding items, and starting in the third round, opponents begin to use strategic battle combinations.

There are also a number of other challenges in the Battle Tower that other facilities don't have. Multi battles can be conducted, following the format found in the other two challenges. Before the challenge begins, players can choose one among [[Riley]], [[Cheryl]], [[Buck]], [[Mira]], and [[Marley]] as their partner, though in Platinum, they must be met in certain areas before they will appear in the Tower. Each partner specializes in a different Pokémon [[Stats|stat]], and different Pokémon. There is also another feature that allows the player to randomly download a team using the [[Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection]], which will then begin to appear in the player's Battle Tower challenges. One can also upload their team to the database to be downloaded by another player.

{{FB|Tower Tycoon|Palmer}} is the [[Frontier Brain]] for the Battle Tower. He can be challenged after 21 consecutive battles. His first lineup is filled with fully evolved Pokémon, with high stats to match. Once defeated, he will give away the silver commemorative print. Palmer can be challenged again after 49 consecutive battles, and will give away the gold commemorative print when defeated. He uses different Pokémon during the second match, battling with three [[legendary Pokémon]].

====Awards====
Unlike the other facilities at the Battle Frontier, the Battle Tower awards the player [[goods]] and [[ribbon]]s for meeting certain conditions. Not only are there prizes for single battle, but also for winning consecutive [[double battle]]s or multi battle in the Wi-Fi battle room.

=====Goods=====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{tower color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{tower color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{tower color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Good
! style="background: #{{tower color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Achievement
|- style="background: #{{bronze color}}"
| align=center | Bronze Trophy
| align=center | Win 20 consecutive Single Battles
|- style="background: #{{silver color}}"
| align=center | Silver Trophy
| align=center | Win 50 consecutive Single Battles
|- style="background: #{{gold color}}"
| align=center | Gold Trophy
| align=center | Win 100 consecutive Single Battles
|}
{{-}}

=====Commemorative Ribbons=====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{tower color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{tower color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{tower color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Ribbon
! style="background: #{{tower color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Achievement
|- style="background: #{{cool color light}}"
| align=center | Ability Ribbon
| align=center | Defeat Tower Tycoon Palmer in Single Battle for the first time.
|- style="background: #{{cool color light}}"
| align=center | Great Ability Ribbon
| align=center | Defeat Tower Tycoon Palmer in Single Battle for the second time.
|- style="background: #{{cool color light}}"
| align=center | Double Ability Ribbon
| align=center | Win 50 consecutive Double Battles
|- style="background: #{{cool color light}}"
| align=center | Multi Ability Ribbon
| align=center | Win 50 consecutive Multi Battles
|- style="background: #{{cool color light}}"
| align=center | Pair Ability Ribbon
| align=center | Win 50 consecutive Multi Battles with two players
|- style="background: #{{cool color light}}"
| align=center | World Ability Ribbon
| align=center | Attain Rank 5 at the Wi-Fi Battle Room
|}
{{-}}

====Gallery====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{tower color}}; {{roundy}};" width="250px"
|- align="center"
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Tower Exterior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Tower Interior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:VS Palmer.png|200px]]
|- align="center"
| Outside the Battle Tower
| Inside the Battle Tower's lobby
| Before battle in the Battle Tower 
|}
{{-}}

===Battle Factory===
{{Facility infobox
|name=Factory
|jname=バトルファクトリー
|jtrans=Battle Factory
|image=Battle Factory IV.jpg
|color=factory
|slogon=Win Consecutively with Rental Pokémon
|bpr=7
|partsing=3
|partdoub=3
|BP=Many
|brain=Factory Head Thorton
|brainvs=VSThorton
|silver=21
|gold=49
}}
The '''Battle Factory''' (Japanese: '''バトルファクトリー''' ''Battle Factory'') is another battle venue in the Generation IV Battle Frontier, having basically the same rules as [[Hoenn]]'s {{OBP|Battle Frontier|Generation III}}'s Battle Factory. It is located on the northeast corner of the Battle Frontier. The blue building itself is much like a factory, with exhaust fans, and pipes. There is a long, glass panel on the floor of the building that transfers information around. There are [[Poké Ball]]s containing rental Pokémon in glass storage panels inside, and there is an electronic battle ground that lights up before a battle begins. Like Hoenn's Battle Factory, it is more dedicated to research than the other facilities, and the subject of the scientists' research is the abilities of Trainers when using random Pokémon in battle.

Before entering the Battle Factory, the player will be asked to hand over their current party in exchange for rental Pokémon. The player will then be able to choose three out of six random Pokémon to rent and battle another Trainer with rental Pokémon in that round. After winning a battle, the player's Pokémon will be healed completely, and the player will have the option to continue, rest, retire, or get their most recent battle recorded on their [[Vs. Recorder]]. If the player continues, they will get the offer to trade one of the rental Pokémon for their opponent's rental Pokémon, but they may not see the Pokémon's status before trading. A scientist will tell the player what Pokémon their opponent will be using before every battle, but after the player progresses through consecutive battles, the scientist will tell less and less.

{{FB|Factory Head|Thorton}} is the [[Frontier Brain]] for the Battle Factory. He can be challenged after 21 consecutive battles. Thorton is subject to the same rules in the Battle Factory; he must use rental Pokémon as well, and so cannot be known until he is encountered. He could have anything except for the Pokémon that are not admissible in the Battle Frontier. Once defeated, he will give away the silver commemorative print. Thorton can be challenged again after 49 consecutive battles, and will give away the gold commemorative print when defeated.

====Staff information====
The Battle Factory scientist staff member will hint about the next Pokémon or move the player will face. But after the player progresses through rounds, the scientist will hint less information than last round. Use the data to decide which Pokémon the player rents, and form a strategy based around it.

=====Single Battle=====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{factory color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{factory color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{factory color}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{factory color dark}}|Round}}
! style="background: #{{factory color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color|{{factory color dark}}|Information}}
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 1
| align=center | Name of all 3 Pokémon
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 2
| align=center | Name of 2 of the 3 Pokémon
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 3
| align=center | Name of the lead Pokémon and one of its moves
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 4
| align=center | One of the lead Pokémon's moves
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 5+
| align=center | The most common type of the 3 Pokémon
|}{{-}}

=====Double Battle=====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{factory color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{factory color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{factory color}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{factory color dark}}|Round}}
! style="background: #{{factory color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color|{{factory color dark}}|Information}}
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 1
| align=center | Name of all 3 Pokémon
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 2
| align=center | Name of 2 of the 3 Pokémon
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 3
| align=center | Name of the 2 lead Pokémon and one of their moves
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 4
| align=center | One of the 2 lead Pokémon's moves
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 5+
| align=center | The most common type of the 3 Pokémon
|}{{-}}

====Gallery====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{factory color}}; {{roundy}};" width="250px"
|- align="center"
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Factory Exterior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Factory Interior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:VS Thorton.png|200px]]
|- align="center"
| Outside the Battle Factory
| Inside the Battle Factory
| Before battle in the Battle Factory
|}
{{-}}

===Battle Arcade===
{{Facility infobox
|name=Arcade
|jname=バトルルーレット
|jtrans=Battle Roulette
|image=Battle Roulette.jpg
|color=arcade
|slogon=Where Events Sway Outcomes
|bpr=7
|partsing=3
|partdoub=3
|BP=Few
|brain=Arcade Star Dahlia
|brainvs=VSDahlia
|silver=21
|gold=49
}}
The '''Battle Arcade''' (Japanese: '''バトルルーレット''' ''Battle Roulette'') is a new facility located in the southeastern corner of the Battle Frontier. The building itself looks like a large tent, with articular domes, much like {{wp|Saint Basil's Cathedral}}. Inside the Arcade, it is dark with strange patterns on the walls and floors like a tent. In the stadium room, there is a large screen called the ''Game Board'' that most of the game is displayed on.

The player battles seven Trainers consecutively in a knock-out, much like all other facilities in the Battle Frontier. Before entering, Trainers will choose three Pokémon to battle, having their [[level]] reduced to 50. Prior to battles, all items equipped on the Pokémon used are removed. Battles in the Battle Arcade are 3 vs 3. Upon entering, the player's Pokémon will be seen on the Game Board. The foe's Pokémon will also be seen when they enter the field.

Before a battle begins, the player must play the game board to determine the condition of the battle. The game board is a massive roulette machine that will scroll quickly through a grid of small boxes, known as ''Events''. Landing on a dark purple box affects the player while landing on a red box affects the foe. Gray boxes, on the other hand, affect both foes. Each event will have a different effect; some may lower the opponent's HP, poison the opponent's Pokémon, or speed up the game board. The choice may affect the player's Pokémon, the opponent's, or even the field. The board may land on status ailments, weather changes, level changes, berries and more. It may even land on nothing. The status ailments appear to be based on moves with certain types. This means that {{type2|Steel}} Pokémon are immune to poisoning. Every battle is called a ''game''; for example, the first battle is known as ''Game No. 1''. After winning a battle, the player's Pokémon will be healed completely, and the player will have the option to continue, rest, retire, or get their most recent battle recorded on their [[Vs. Recorder]].

{{FB|Arcade Star|Dahlia}} is the [[Frontier Brain]] for the Battle Arcade. She can be challenged after 21 consecutive battles. The Pokémon that Dahlia uses in her first match share common type weaknesses—{{t|Poison}}, {{t|Flying}}, and {{t|Ghost}}. Once defeated, she will give away the silver commemorative print. Dahlia can be challenged again after 49 consecutive battles, and will give away the gold commemorative print when defeated.

====Roulette events====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{arcade color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{arcade color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{arcade color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Event
! style="background: #{{arcade color light}};" | Target
! style="background: #{{arcade color light}};" | Effect
! style="background: #{{arcade color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Duration
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Lowers foes' HP
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | Lowers Pokémon's HP by 20%
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Poisons foes
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | Poisons Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Paralyzes foes
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | Paralyzes Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Burns foes
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | Burns Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Puts foe to sleep
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | Puts one Pokémon to sleep
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Freezes foe
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | Freezes one Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Foes get berries
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | All Pokémon gain a berry
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Foes get items
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | All Pokémon gain a held item
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Foes level up
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | All Pokémon gain 3 levels
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Lowers allies' HP
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | Lowers Pokémon's HP by 20%
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Poisons allies
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | Poisons Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Paralyzes allies
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | Paralyzes Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Burns allies
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | Burns Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Puts ally to sleep
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | Puts one Pokémon to sleep
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Freezes ally
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | Freezes one Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Allies get berries
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | All Pokémon gain a berry
| align=center | Remainder of the round
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Allies get items
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | All Pokémon gain a held item
| align=center | Remainder of the round
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Allies level up
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | All Pokémon gain 3 levels
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Sunny
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle in Sunny weather
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Rain
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle in Rainy weather
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Sandstorm
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle in Sandstorm weather
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Hail
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle in Hail weather
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Fog
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle in thick fog
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Trick Room
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle in Trick Room conditions
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Pokémon swap
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle after swapping all Pokémon with foe
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Speed Up
| align=center | -
| align=center | Increase the speed of subsequent roulette flashes by 1
| align=center | Remainder of the round
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Speed Down
| align=center | -
| align=center | Decrease the speed of subsequent roulette flashes by 1
| align=center | Remainder of the round
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Random
| align=center | -
| align=center | Makes subsequent roulette flashes non-sequential
| align=center | Next roulette game
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Get 1BP
| align=center | -
| align=center | Get 1BP and battle with no other event
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | No battle
| align=center | -
| align=center | Move onto the next Trainer without battling
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | No Event
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle with no event
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Get 3BP
| align=center | -
| align=center | Get 3BP and battle with no other event
| align=center | 1 battle
|}
{{-}}

====Nullify events====
Some events that include poisoning, paralyzing, freezing, and burning Pokémon can be negated by certain abilities and types. The status ailments appear to be based on moves with certain types; {{type2|Steel}} Pokémon are immune to poisoning and {{type2|Ground}} Pokémon are immune to paralysis.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{arcade color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{arcade color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{poison color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" width="20%" | {{color2|000|Poison (status ailment)|Poison}}
! style="background: #{{ice color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" width="20%" | {{color2|000|Freeze (status ailment)|Freeze}}
! style="background: #{{fire color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" width="20%" | {{color2|000|Burn (status ailment)|Burn}}
! style="background: #{{status color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" width="20%" | {{color2|000|Sleep (status ailment)|Sleep}}
! style="background: #{{electric color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" width="20%" | {{color2|000|Paralysis (status ailment)|Paralysis}}
|- style="background: #{{arcade color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}"
| align=center | '''{{color2|000|Ability}}''' {{acolor|Immunity|000}} '''{{color2|000|Elemental type|Type}}''' {{tcolor|Steel|000}}, {{tcolor|Poison|000}}
| align=center | '''Ability''' {{acolor|Magma Armor|000}} '''Type''' {{tcolor|Ice|000}}
| align=center | '''Ability''' {{acolor|Water Veil|000}} '''Type''' {{tcolor|Fire|000}}
| align=center | '''Ability''' {{acolor|Insomnia|000}} {{acolor|Vital Spirit|000}} 
| align=center | '''Ability''' {{acolor|Limber|000}} '''Type''' {{tcolor|Ground|000}}
|}
{{-}}

====Gallery====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{arcade color}}; {{roundy}};" width="250px"
|- align="center"
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Arcade Exterior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Arcade Interior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:VS Dahlia.png|200px]]
|- align="center"
| Outside the Battle Arcade
| Inside the Battle Arcade
| Before battle in the Battle Arcade
|}
{{-}}

===Battle Castle===
{{Facility infobox
|name=Castle
|jname=バトルキャッスル
|jtrans=Battle Castle
|image=Battle Castle.png
|color=castle
|slogon=Manage Battles with Castle Points
|bpr=7
|partsing=3
|partdoub=3
|BP=Normal
|brain=Castle Valet Darach
|brainvs=VSDarach
|silver=21
|gold=49
}}
The '''Battle Castle''' (Japanese: '''バトルキャッスル''' ''Battle Castle'') is another new facility located in the southwestern corner of the Battle Frontier. The Battle Castle, as its name suggests, is a huge castle, with elegant furniture on the floor and sparkling jewels on the wall. There is a golden carpet from the entrance to the battle ground. In the stadium itself, [[Caitlin|Lady Caitlin]], the princess of the castle, sits on her throne atop a platform, watching down on battles. Her butler, Darach, directs people to their battle, handing out prizes to people after victory.

In the Battle Castle, players must fight seven opponents in a row. Like in the Battle Arcade, all held items are removed prior to battling. Before entering, Trainers will choose three Pokémon to battle, having their [[level]] reduced to 50. After entering, the player will meet [[Castle Valet Darach]] in the hallway, and he will give 10 Castle Points, or CP, to the player, and will lead them to the battles.

[[File:HGSS Battle Hall.png|thumb|left|The Battle Castle in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}]]
Castle Points are the currency within the Battle Castle — special things must be done to gain them, but they can be exchanged for certain benefits. Winning allows players to receive Castle Points, which are used in multiple ways. The Castle Points can allow players to heal their Pokémon's HP, PP, both, or buy items for use inside the Battle Castle, such as berries. It can also allow players to see their opponents' Pokémon and even increase or decrease their levels by five. Unlike other facilities in the Battle Frontier, in the Battle Castle, Pokémon will not be healed automatically after a battle.

At first, the player will be limited to what they can do with their CP, but if they save up enough, they can rank up and unlock more abilities, such as increasing the selection of items they can buy for their Pokémon, or increasing the amount of information the player can get on the opponent. After winning a battle, the player will have the option to continue, rest, retire, or get their most recent battle recorded on their [[Vs. Recorder]]. If the player chooses to continue, they will be able to get the chance to exchange CP for advantages. In Multi Battle mode, both players keep their own individual CP and ranks, but can also spend their CP for their teammate's Pokémon's benefit, such as buying an item that their teammate cannot currently afford.

Lady [[Caitlin]] and her [[Castle Valet Darach|valet, Darach]] are the [[Frontier Brain]]s for the Battle Castle. Darach is challenged after 21 consecutive battles. The Pokémon that he uses in his first match are unique. They use powerful attacks that burn and paralyze Pokémon. Once defeated, he will give away the silver commemorative print. He is battled again after 49 consecutive battles, and will give away the gold commemorative print when defeated.

====Receiving CP====
Castle Points or CP is used as currency in the Battle Castle. The player automatically receives 10CP on the first entry of a streak. Winning battles allows players to receive Castle Points, which are used in multiple ways. There are certain conditions the player can try to meet for more CP.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{castle color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{castle color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Condition
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Number of Pokémon that have not fainted
| align=center | No. ×3CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Number of Pokémon with full HP
| align=center | No. ×3CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Number of Pokémon with more than half HP remaining
| align=center | No. ×2CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Number of Pokémon with less than half HP remaining
| align=center | No. ×1CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Number of Pokémon with no status ailments
| align=center | No. ×1CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Under 5 PP used in battle
| align=center | 8CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Under 10 PP used in battle
| align=center | 6CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Under 15 PP used in battle
| align=center | 4CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Number of opponent's Pokémon that gained 5 levels
| align=center | No. ×7CP
|}
{{-}}

====Spending CP====
The Castle Points can allow players to heal their Pokémon's HP, PP, both, or buy items for use inside the Battle Castle, such as Berries. It can also allow players to see their opponents' Pokémon and even increase or decrease their levels by five. This can only be done by exchanging CP earned in battles, before every battle. CP can also be used to rank up certain actions, so instead of renting the normal eight Berries, the player can increase the rank to level 2 so it is possible to rent 8 kinds of Berries and 12 kinds of items. Some advantages can be ranked up twice to level 3 for more advantages. The player will keep all the CP and upgrades accumulated if all the Trainers are beaten successfully; however, if a match is lost or abandoned, the upgrades and CP will be lost as well, and the player must restart with the base 10 CP.

=====Advantage=====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{castle color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{castle color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Action
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}" | Rank
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | CP used
|- style="background: #{{water color light}}"
| align=center | Examine/identify
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 1CP
|- style="background: #{{water color light}}"
| align=center | +5 LV
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 1CP
|- style="background: #{{water color light}}"
| align=center | -5 LV
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 15CP
|- style="background: #{{water color light}}"
| align=center | Strength/Stats
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 2CP
|- style="background: #{{water color light}}"
| align=center | Move
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{grass color light}}"
| align=center | HP Recovery
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{grass color light}}"
| align=center | PP Recovery
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 8CP
|- style="background: #{{grass color light}}"
| align=center | Full Recovery
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 12CP
|- style="background: #{{poison color light}}"
| align=center | Pass
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 50CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Cheri Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 2CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Chesto Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 2CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Pecha Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 2CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Rawst Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 2CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Aspear Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 2CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Persim Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 2CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Lum Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Sitrus Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|King's Rock}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Quick Claw}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 15CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Power Herb}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Shell Bell}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 15CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|In-battle effect item#Metronome|Metronome}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Light Clay}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Grip Claw}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Big Root}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Toxic Orb}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Flame Orb}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Light Ball}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 15CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Thick Club}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 15CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|White Herb}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Focus Band}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 15CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Focus Sash}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Leftovers}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|BrightPowder}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Scope Lens}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Wide Lens}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Zoom Lens}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Choice Band}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Choice Specs}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Choice Scarf}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Muscle Band}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Wise Glasses}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Expert Belt}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Life Orb}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Liechi Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Ganlon Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Salac Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Petaya Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Apicot Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Lansat Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Starf Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Occa Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Passho Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Wacan Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Rindo Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Yache Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Chople Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Kebia Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Shuca Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Coba Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Payapa Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Tanga Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Charti Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Kasib Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Haban Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Colbur Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Babiri Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Chilan Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|}
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=====Ranking up=====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{castle color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{castle color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Kind
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}" | Rank
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}" | CP used
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Effect
|- style="background: #{{grass color light}}"
| rowspan="3" width="64px" style="background:#{{grass color}};" | Recovery
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | -
| align=center | Restore one Pokémon's HP
|- style="background: #{{grass color}}"
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 100CP
| align=center | Restore one Pokémon's PP
|- style="background: #{{grass color dark}}"
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 100CP
| align=center | Restore one Pokémon's HP and PP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| rowspan="3" width="64px" style="background:#{{fire color}};" | Item
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | -
| align=center | Can rent 8 kinds of berries
|- style="background: #{{fire color}}"
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 100CP
| align=center | Can rent 8 kinds of berries and 12 kinds of items
|- style="background: #{{fire color dark}}"
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 150CP
| align=center | Can rent 32 kinds of berries and 27 kinds of items
|- style="background: #{{water color light}}"
| rowspan="2" width="64px" style="background:#{{water color}};" | Info
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | -
| align=center | Can see opponent's Pokémon
|- style="background: #{{water color}}"
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 50CP
| align=center | Can see the opponent's moves
|}
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====Gallery====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{castle color}}; {{roundy}};" width="250px"
|- align="center"
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Castle Exterior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Castle Interior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:VS Darach.png|200px]]
|- align="center"
| Outside the Battle Castle
| Inside the Battle Castle
| Before battle in the Battle Castle
|}
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===Battle Hall===
{{Facility infobox
|name=Hall
|jname=バトルステージ
|jtrans=Battle Stage
|image=Battle Hall.jpg
|color=hall
|slogon=Let Each Pokémon Seek No. 1
|bpr=10
|partsing=1
|partdoub=2
|BP=Few
|brain=Hall Matron Argenta
|brainvs=VSArgenta
|silver=50
|gold=170
}}
The '''Battle Hall''' (Japanese: '''バトルステージ''' ''Battle Stage'') is another facility located in the northwestern corner of the Battle Frontier. The stadium is a huge {{wp|catwalk}}, in where people walk down the catwalk to the battleground, while fans take a number of photos and the spotlights shine all over the place. There is also a red carpet on the floor, all the way from the entrance to the stadium.

The Battle Hall is unique from any other facility in the Battle Frontier, as there are 10 battles per round instead of the usual 7, and only one Pokémon can be used in a single battle, meaning the battles are one-on-one. Before entering the Battle Hall, the player will be asked to select one Pokémon level 30 or higher for entry. If it is a different Pokémon from last time, the attendant will warn the player that they are using a different Pokémon, as Pokémon are used in winning streaks, and if the player uses a different Pokémon, the streak will be lost.

Once the Pokémon is entered, the player will go down the runway and will have to choose from a list of types which [[type]] they want to battle. This lets players control their advantages, as they are about to choose their own type they want to battle. As the only thing known about an opponent is one of the types of their Pokémon, the game may occasionally throw a curveball, such as if a player chooses to use a {{type2|Fighting}} against their {{type2|Dark}} opponent, they may find out that the opponent is using the {{2t|Ghost|Dark}} {{p|Spiritomb}} who is immune to Fighting moves.

As the player wins against each type, that type raises in rank, causing the Pokémon of that type challenged to raise in level, making this the only facility to feature Pokémon above level 50. The opponent's Pokémon can be chosen from any one of the 17 types. Each type begins at Rank 1, and advances to the next rank when the battle is won. The ranks will go up to 10, with Ranks 8-10 having Pokémon of different types.

After winning a battle, the player's Pokémon will be healed completely, and the player will have the option to continue, rest, retire, or get their most recent battle recorded on their [[Vs. Recorder]]. Players must also have ten battles in a row before they are allowed to exit. If doing a Double Battle challenge, the player must enter two of the same species of Pokémon.

{{FB|Hall Matron|Argenta}} is the [[Frontier Brain]] for the Battle Hall. She can be challenged after 50 consecutive battles, which is unique as all other Frontier Brains can be challenged after 21 consecutive battles. Like {{FB|Factory Head|Thorton}}, her Pokémon are completely random, and the player can not choose the type she uses from the list. She could have anything except for the Pokémon that are not admissible in the Battle Frontier. Once defeated, she will give away the silver commemorative print. Argenta can be challenged again after 170 consecutive battles, and will give away the gold commemorative print when defeated. The player must defeat all types at least 10 times before challenging her again and again.

====Gaining fans====
In the Battle Hall, the player will gain fans as their total record or their winning streak increases. If the player is a female, their major fan is Winston, and if the player is a male, their major fan is Serena. They can be found in the Battle Hall lobby in various locations with varying dialog. The player will also get visitors cheering them on in the lobby. If the player's total record is over 500 in {{game|Platinum}}, they will get the professor's assistant. If the record is over 1,000, the player will get [[Johanna]], and over 10,000 will get [[Professor Oak]] or [[Jasmine]]. In {{2v|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, if the record is over 1,000, the player will get the player's [[mother]], {{ga|Ethan}}, or {{ga|Lyra}}, and over 10,000 will get [[Professor Oak]] or [[Whitney]].

====Raising records====
At the Battle Hall, the staff member next to the monitor will keep track of the player's total record, which is how many successive wins the player has earned with all of their Pokémon. For example, if two different Pokémon have both won 10 times, then the total record is 20. The player earn BP based on the total record.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{hall color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{hall color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{hall color}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{hall color dark}}|Total}}
! style="background: #{{hall color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color|{{hall color dark}}|BP received}}
|- style="background: #{{hall color light}}"
| align=center | 10
| align=center | 1BP
|- style="background: #{{hall color light}}"
| align=center | 30
| align=center | 3BP
|- style="background: #{{hall color light}}"
| align=center | 50/100/150/200/250/300/350/400/450
| align=center | 5BP
|- style="background: #{{hall color light}}"
| align=center | 500/600/700/800/900/1000
| align=center | 10BP
|- style="background: #{{hall color light}}"
| align=center | 1200/1400/1600/1800
| align=center | 30BP
|- style="background: #{{hall color light}}"
| align=center | 2000+
| align=center | 50BP
|}
{{-}}

====Gallery====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{hall color}}; {{roundy}};" width="250px"
|- align="center"
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Hall Exterior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Hall Interior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:VS Argenta.png|200px]]
|- align="center"
| Outside the Battle Hall
| Inside the Battle Hall
| Before battle in the Battle Hall
|}
{{-}}

==Other areas of interest==
===Entrance hall===
[[File:Sinnoh Battle Frontier Brain artwork.png|thumb|left|220px|Artwork of the Battle Frontier featuring the Frontier Brains]]
[[File:Battle frontier sinnoh entrance.gif‎|thumb|right|200px|The entrance]]
The entrance hall is the entrance to the Battle Frontier from the [[Fight Area]]. Because the Battle Frontier does not have a [[Pokémon Center]], unlike {{OBP|Battle Frontier|Generation III|Hoenn's}}, it cannot be accessed by {{m|Fly}}, making the entrance hall the only way to get into the Battle Frontier. Upon the first entry into the Battle Frontier, the [[Vs. Recorder]] will be upgraded with a {{DL|Vs. Recorder|Frontier Record}} by the women at the entrance. There are many women that will guide and explain venues of the Battle Frontier.

* The top left woman will explain the Battle Castle
* The top right woman will explain the Battle Arcade
* The middle left woman will explain the Battle Factory
* The middle right woman will explain the Battle Hall
* The bottom left woman will explain about the Battle Frontier itself.
* The bottom right woman will explain the Battle Tower
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===Stats judge===
{{main|Stats judge#In Generation IV|Stats judge}}
In the Battle Tower's lobby next to the PC is a man who considers himself a judge of Trainer's Pokémon. He can appraise one of the player's Pokémon by looking at its stats, specifically by checking how high the {{IV}}s are. First he describes the Pokémon's "potential", which is based on the sum of all six IVs. Then he indicates which stat has the highest IV and what range it falls in. If two or more IVs are tied for the highest then he will choose only one of them to comment on. In Sinnoh, he selects which highest stat he'll report randomly. In Johto, he cycles through the stats in the following order: {{stat|HP}}, {{stat|Attack}}, {{stat|Defense}}, {{stat|Speed}}, {{stat|Special Attack}}, {{stat|Special Defense}}. If a different Pokémon is shown, then the cycle will not reset.

{| align="center" style="background: #505050; {{roundy}}; border: 2px solid #6f6f6f"
|- align="center" style="color: #fff"
! style="background: #6f6f6f; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Pokémon's Potential
! style="background: #6f6f6f; {{roundytr|5px}}" | IV Total
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Decent}}
| align=center | 0 to 90
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Above Average}}
| align=center | 91 to 120
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Relatively Superior}}
| align=center | 121 to 150
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Outstanding}}
| align=center | 151 to 186
|}
{{-}}
{| align="center" style="background: #505050; {{roundy}}; border: 2px solid #6f6f6f"
|- align="center" style="color: #fff"
! style="background: #6f6f6f; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Highest IV
! style="background: #6f6f6f; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Range
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Rather Decent}}
| align=center | 0 to 15
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Very Good}}
| align=center | 16 to 25
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Fantastic}}
| align=center | 26 to 30
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Can't Be Better}}
| align=center | 31
|}
{{-}}

===Exchange Service Corner===
The Exchange Service Corner is located within the center of the Battle Frontier. The player can buy various goods with [[Battle Point]]s won from the facilities. The Battle Frontier's prizes are the same as {{v2|Diamond and Pearl|s}}'s {{si|Battle Tower}}'s prizes. They also use [[Battle Point]]s which are won in the Frontier's various facilities. They can be bought at the stalls at the center of the Frontier. The following items are offered as prizes:

{{shop|Left corner}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|HP Up|1|BP}}|{{shopitem|Protein|1|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Iron|1|BP}}|{{shopitem|Calcium|1|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Zinc|1|BP}}|{{shopitem|Carbos|1|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Rare Candy|48|BP}}|{{shopitem|Power Bracer|16|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Power Belt|16|BP}}|{{shopitem|Power Lens|16|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Power Band|16|BP}}|{{shopitem|Power Anklet|16|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Power Weight|16|BP}}|{{shopitem|Flame Orb|16|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Toxic Orb|16|BP}}|{{shopitem|White Herb|32|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Power Herb|32|BP}}|{{shopitem|BrightPowder|48|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Choice Band|48|BP}}|{{shopitem|Focus Band|48|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Scope Lens|48|BP}}|{{shopitem|Muscle Band|48|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Focus Sash|48|BP}}|{{shopitem|Choice Scarf|48|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Razor Claw|48|BP}}|{{shopitem|Razor Fang|48|BP}}}}
{{shopfooter|multiple=yes}}
{{shop|Right corner}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM06|32|BP||TM Poison|Toxic}}|{{shopitem|TM45|32|BP||TM Normal|Attract}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM61|32|BP||TM Fire|Will-O-Wisp}}|{{shopitem|TM73|32|BP||TM Electric|Thunder Wave}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM31|40|BP||TM Fighting|Brick Break}}|{{shopitem|TM40|40|BP||TM Flying|Aerial Ace}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM04|48|BP||TM Psychic|Calm Mind}}|{{shopitem|TM08|48|BP||TM Fighting|Bulk Up}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM30|64|BP||TM Ghost|Shadow Ball}}|{{shopitem|TM53|64|BP||TM Grass|Energy Ball}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM81|64|BP||TM Bug|X-Scissor}}|{{shopitem|TM26|80|BP||TM Ground|Earthquake}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM36|80|BP||TM Poison|Sludge Bomb}}|{{shopitem|TM59|80|BP||TM Dragon|Dragon Pulse}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM71|80|BP||TM Rock|Stone Edge}}|{{shopitem|TM89|40|BP|HGSS only|TM Bug|U-turn}}}}
{{shopfooter}}

===Pokémon Scratch-Off Corner===
[[File:Scratchoff.png|thumb|right|Scratching a Pokémon Scratch-Off Card]]
The Pokémon Scratch-Off Corner is located just north of the Exchange Service Corner. Pokémon Scratch-Off is a game that can be played for 1BP. This 1BP purchases three different Scratch-Off Cards, which permits winning up to 3 items. Upon purchase, a selection of 3 cards from four cards: red, blue, green, and yellow. Once done, scratching mode will begin. Using the stylus to scratch off the upper layer, scratching off three Pokémon gets the particular item that matches the Pokémon revealed. As soon as any part of any of the 9 blocks is touched, that block must be selected as one of the three choices. The whole card cannot be scratched off—only three blocks may be selected. If the player gets a Ditto, it acts as a wild-card, transforming into any other Pokémon should the player manage to get two of them. There are a total of three out of twenty-three different berries to be won, and there will always be a {{DL|Valuable item|Nugget}} to be won.

{| align="center" style="background: #505050; {{roundy}}; border: 2px solid #6f6f6f"
|- align="center" style="color: #fff"
! style="background: #6f6f6f; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Prize
! style="background: #6f6f6f; {{roundytr|5px}}" | No. won
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Nugget}}
| align=center | 1
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Qualot Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Tamato Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Wacan Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Chople Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Coba Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Pomeg Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Hondew Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Occa Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Rindo Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Kebia Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Payapa Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Kelpsy Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Grepa Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Passho Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Yache Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Shuca Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Tanga Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Charti Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Colbur Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Kasib Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Babiri Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Haban Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Chilan Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|}
{{-}}

==In the manga==

[[File:Darach_Dahlia_Caitlin_Adventures.png|thumb|right|250px|[[Darach]], [[Caitlin]], and [[Dahlia]], a few of the Frontier Brains, and their Pokémon]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
In the {{adv|Platinum chapter|eighth chapter}} of the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, {{adv|Platinum}} is joined by [[Looker]], to help find her former bodyguards [[Paka and Uji]], and rescue them from the [[Distortion World]]. In the meantime, Platinum is challenging the Battle Frontier and the facilities for information about the Distortion World, from the frontier brains themselves.

==Trivia==
[[File:JohtoSinnoh BF.png|right|200px|thumb|The Battle Frontier logo]]
* The Battle Frontier logo is the color code of the venues corresponding to the five battle venues and their position in the Battle Frontier.
** The color code of each of the venues corresponds approximately to the color codes of each of the five [[flavor]]s of [[Berry]] and to the types of [[Pokémon Contest]]s and {{pkmn|Super Contest}}s.
** If the Poké Ball design in the middle is counted, as well, the logo contains the seven colors of [[Apricorn]].
* Due to the pairing of {{FB|Castle Valet|Darach}} and [[Caitlin]], there is an equal number of male and female Frontier Brains. This is the case with Sinnoh's [[Gym Leader]]s as well.
* Several of the Frontier Brains have Pokémon with moves they normally learn at a higher level. This may mean that their Pokémon also decrease in level when they are above level 50.
* All Frontier Brains with a fixed team have at least one legendary Pokémon in their party when they are battled for the gold commemorative print.
* Although Pokémon under level 30 are banned from use by the player at the Battle Hall, opponent Trainers can use Pokémon under this level.
* This Battle Frontier is the first one of its kind to appear in two separate locations in one generation.
** Also, it is the first one to appear in the mainland of one region, in this case, the Johto region.
* {{p|Rotom}}'s forms, {{p|Phione}}, and the [[Spiky-eared Pichu]] are the only non-[[legendary Pokémon]] that aren't allowed in the Frontier.
* The Battle Factory is the only facility to not have a [[PC]], due to the fact that players rent Pokémon instead of using their own.
* The Battle Arcade is the only location in a Generation IV game to have moving animation while the player is saving: the screens that show the player's and their opponent's Pokémon flash, despite everything else pausing during the save.
* In the Battle Castle, there are crosses above the foe's entrance which change depending on the round the player is on. For example, if the player is on round 1, then there is 1 cross.
* In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, the player cannot [[walking Pokémon|keep his or her Pokémon outside of its Poké Ball]] in the Battle Frontier, despite being an open place. This is likely due to the fact that once the player steps into the opening of a facility, they are automatically drawn deeper inside, and would cause problems with the walking Pokémon.
* In HeartGold and SoulSilver, the [[Pokégear]] will not play any radio channels whatsoever when the player is in any facilities. It is unknown why this happens.
* In HeartGold and SoulSilver, the [[stat Trainers]] all appear in the Battle Tower without any reason; the player character has never met them before. This is possibly to ensure full compatibility with {{game|Platinum}}.
* Trainers that received different overworld sprites in HeartGold and SoulSilver still use their Platinum sprites here.
** Additionally, {{tc|Scientist}}s use their Platinum battle sprite and a {{tc|School Kid}} overworld sprite.
* In HeartGold and SoulSilver, a boy in the Battle Tower mentions that "...similar facilities are available outside of Johto", probably referring to Sinnoh's Battle Frontier.
* Aside from the stat-enhancing vitamins, which each have a price of only 1 BP, all prizes buyable with Battle Points have a price that is divisible by 8.

==In other languages==
''Battle Frontier''
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|fr_ca=Zone de Combat
|fr_eu=Zone de Combat
|de=Kampfzone
|it=Parco Lotta
|ko=배틀프런티어 ''Battle Frontier''
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''Battle Tower''
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|zh_cmn=對戰塔 ''Duìzhàn Tǎ''
|fr_ca=Tour de Combat
|fr_eu=Tour de Combat
|de=Duellturm
|it=Torre Lotta
|ko=배틀타워 ''Battle Tower''
|es_la=Torre Batalla
|es_eu=Torre Batalla
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''Battle Factory''
{{langtable|color={{factory color}}|bordercolor={{factory color dark}}

|fr_ca=Usine de Combat
|fr_eu=Usine de Combat
|de=Kampffabrik
|it=Azienda Lotta
|ko=배틀팩토리 ''Battle Factory''
|es_la=Fábrica Batalla
|es_eu=Fábrica Batalla
}}

''Battle Hall''
{{langtable|color={{hall color}}|bordercolor={{hall color dark}}
|fr_ca=Scène de Combat
|fr_eu=Scène de Combat
|de=Kampfsaal
|it=Palco Lotta
|ko=배틀스테이지 ''Battle Stage''
|es_la=Sala Batalla
|es_eu=Sala Batalla
}}

''Battle Castle''
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|fr_ca=Castel de Combat
|fr_eu=Castel de Combat
|de=Kampfpalais
|it=Maniero Lotta
|ko=배틀캐슬 ''Battle Castle''
|es_la=Castillo Batalla
|es_eu=Castillo Batalla
}}

''Battle Arcade''
{{langtable|color={{arcade color}}|bordercolor={{arcade color dark}}
|fr_ca=Arcade de Combat
|fr_eu=Arcade de Combat
|de=Kampfarkaden
|it=Arena Lotta
|ko=배틀룰렛 ''Battle Roulette''
|es_la=Ruleta Batalla
|es_eu=Ruleta Batalla
}}
{{-}}
{{League}}
{{Sinnoh}}
{{Johto}} 
{{Project Locations notice}}

[[Category:Platinum locations]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations]]
[[Category:Battle areas]]

[[de:Kampfzone (4. Generation)]]
[[es:Frente Batalla (Sinnoh)]]
[[fr:Zone de Combat (Génération IV)]]
[[it:Parco Lotta (quarta generazione)]]
[[ja:バトルフロンティア (第四世代)]]

Right Cave Path

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'''Right Cave Path''' is a dungeon only accessible in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky]], in the Special Episode, [[Here Comes Team Charm!]]. There are 5 floors total in the dungeon, and instead of going through Right Cave Path, Team Charm can go through [[Left Cave Path]]. This cave, with its counterpart, leads in a loop, back to its beginning, one of the main problems of [[Boulder Quarry]]. This path has a blue coloring to it's walls and floors, as to the other path, it has a green coloring.

==Pokémon Encountered==
{{mdloc/h|Flying}}
{{mdloc|398|Staraptor|B1F-B3F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|305|Lairon|B1F-B2F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|181|Ampharos|B1F-B3F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|310|Manectric|B3F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|344|Claydol|B3F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|472|Gliscor|B4F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|372|Shelgon|B4F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|291|Ninjask|B4F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc/f|Electric|Since this is a special episode, no Pokémon can be recruited.}}

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[[Category:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky locations]]

Left Cave Path

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'''Left Cave Path''' is a dungeon only accessible in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky]], in the Special Episode, [[Here Comes Team Charm!]]. There are 5 floors in this dungeon, which is the same as it's counterpart [[Right Cave Path]]. After going through [[Boulder Quarry]], this path is one of the two paths you can take. Like it's counterpart, it loops back to the entrance of the two pathways. This path has a green coloring, but unlike it's counterpart, the right path has blue coloring.

==Pokémon Encountered==

{{mdloc/h|Flying}}
{{mdloc|398|Staraptor|B1F-B3F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|305|Lairon|B1F-B2F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|181|Ampharos|B1F-B3F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|310|Manectric|B3F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|344|Claydol|B3F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|472|Gliscor|B4F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|372|Shelgon|B4F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|291|Ninjask|B4F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc/f|Electric|Since this is a special episode, no Pokémon can be recruited.}}

{{DoubleProjectTag|Locations|Sidegames}}
[[Category:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky locations]]

User talk:Clarky13

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== Epic music ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo Don't worry I found it myself]. You can't touch... your page. It's been a pleasure doing business with you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:22, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:Jerk. Nuff said.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:33, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::I know you love me really. Also, I had first comment. *pwnsome* Er, what was that about a {{bp|talk page}} policy? *runs* —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Grabs Trom by ears* Yeah, that's right, Mr. Admin.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

== Congrats! ==

Welcome to the club, Clarky. Now you have new toys to play with. Oh, and we like the concept of your help page. Keep working on it. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 00:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, congrats Clarky.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 03:16, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::Owwww, look at those shiny red examination marks, I'm in heaven.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 03:19, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== I don't get you ==

Why did you revert me and bring back this nosense chaos in [[Viridian Forest]]? That passage is constantly repeating itself and worded TERRIBLY. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:07, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:Man, your mean. Your rewording may have cleaned it up a bit, however, you have lost some significant information. So if you want to keep your description can you please add back the missing information.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 09:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::I didn't lose anything. Aside from that "Viridian Forest was cut down" crap, which is just false conclusion made by fans. NPCs in GSC still mention "Viridian Forest", meaning that it did exist but not as a standalone dungeon. Aside from that, I just made the passage more smooth and deleted unneccessary repeatings. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Ah, that's what you meant. I indeed ignored the sentence because it said that "In Generation '''II''', the forest is back with Pokemon similar to Yellow". II, not IV. That's why that sequence made no sense to me. Also, those "similar Pokemon" is just Pidgeotto, in fact. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:50, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::::And Pikachu. Anyway, I hope you've do your ranting and getting all angsty with me.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 09:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Gee, THAT wasn't nice. I'm here just to correct Bulbapedia's error and mistakes (which are a plenty of) and doing some more serious contributions at times. My purpose is not to be an ass to people. I'm doing what this Pedia needs. There's no time to role play an angel or someone who I'm not. It's Bulbapedia, not Bulbatheatre. Mistakes and confusing errors have to be corrected. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:04, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::You realize I'm joking.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 13:44, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

==Route 27 edits==
Sorry to rewrite your edit but at least in my game you cannot fly to Johto from Route 27. [[User:Tyagohexagon|Tyagohexagon]] 20:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:Ah, sorry. I mixed Route 27 up for Route 26. Plus, it wasn't my information that I put there, I was just rewriting someone elses edit. BTW, put your comments at the bottom of the page. Thank you.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 13:13, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Because you run the Trainer Class bit...:V ==

I don't feel like I could make all executive decisions for the project, have a look at [[User:PsychicRider/TrainerIntro|this]]. It's nothing big, I think we could have a sort of intro of sorts, with some modding, for the Trainer Classes, because I think they <strike>are totally boring</strike> could stand to use something to detail them more. Also, if you can sometime in the near future, get on AIM to discuss this more...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 00:46, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oh wow, Psy. That's definitely an approval from me. I was thinking of do a template for the Trainer Class, but this is really amazing.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 13:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks Clarky, it did it all by myself <strike>with some help from CP and TTE</strike>. :D...It's not gonna really replace anything, it's just gonna be sort of like an intro basically...But glad you like it and TTE said he's gonna make some mods to it...sometime or something...IDK...But anyways, hopefully it can be added like ASANow or soon....--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:10, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:::May I also suggest that you guys turn the TCspritebox into a template? I can help... maybe... if I have time... shouldn't be hard though. <strike>*commits to stuff he hasn't got time for... again*</strike> —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::::What's that Trom? You want to help? Thanks for volunteering. <strike>Jerk</strike> Love you.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

== Crown City ==

How does [[User:Immewnity/Crown City|this]] look?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 15:18, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:Wonderful, but is there any more information on it?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:02, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::I don't know. I haven't seen the movie. Nor has most people. Maybe move it now and protect it for a week to avoid speculation? The movie airs July 10, btw.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== A request for assistance ==

Hi there Clarky13. I'd like to ask for your assistance in a small matter. Myself and CuboneKing have been, through the last few months, changing grammar on some articles, changing "based off of" to "based on", "fell off of" to "fell off" and so on. Together we have managed to correct over 200 articles (with permission from TTEchidna), but there is one left. In the "Pokémon World" article there are two instances of "based off of" and as this is a featured article neither myself or CuboneKing have the authority to change it. I was wondering if I could trouble you to help us out and change it for us? I can locate where the two instances are to make it easier for you if you so wish.

Thank you--[[User:Burjojo|Burjojo]] 20:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done and done--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
::You legend! Thanks! --[[User:Burjojo|Burjojo]] 17:17, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I wasn't sure where to ask this and I'm sincerely sorry if this is the wrong spot but I do not have permission to edit the [[Legendary Pokemon]] page, however it needs a very small edit. Before it goes into detail on the various Legendary Pokemon, it says "Of the 649 Pokemon... 37 are legendary" when the 37 should be 47. I was hoping someone with permission to edit that could do so. Thank you very much if you can do so! --[[User:Lunar Cloud|Lunar Cloud]] 07:47, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Done.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 07:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon locations on routes, towns etc ==

Hey Clarky, as you're the leader of Project Locations, I'd thought I'd let you know that I made a [[User:Takharii/sandbox#New Pokemon locations (on routes) template)|new Pokémon locations template]], because the [[template:Catchableheader|old]] [[template:Catchentry1|one]] is a bit out-of-date. it uses the [[User:Takharii/pokélisth|same]] [[User:Takharii/pokélistbod|three]] [[User:Takharii/pokélistfoot|parts]] as [[template:itlisth/doc|the item one]]. I hope you like it =D [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 07:28, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:Its looks great! Address this to TTE. He's the one doing the templates around here.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:47, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

== File edits ==
Sorry if I'm asking the wrong person, so please redirect me if I am, but how can I change an image file. I have the correct version of the shiny Seaking Emerald sprite and I don't know how to change it. --[[User:Foorganders|Foorganders]] 09:44, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:You shouldn't be changing the file name, they're named that way for a reason. Did you try uploading over the file? If you can't, it might be because you're a new user, try making some edits to the Archives. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 10:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not trying to change the file name, and I couldn't upload over the file. I'll presume that I need to make more edits. Also, for some reason the file is fixed, and it has my name on the file uploader, so I presume you fixed it for me. --[[User:Foorganders|Foorganders]] 13:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I just deleted the old one and moved yours to the correct name. Keep making more edits, you should eventually be able to upload over files. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 13:22, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks for that.--[[User:Foorganders|Foorganders]] 18:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== Your wonderful userspace ==

I was going through it to see what I can put on my template, and I noticed a few things that were incorporated, and I deleted those pages. I just wanted to make sure you didn't mind, because I can always restore anything. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 10:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, yes. Of course. I would of done, it but I'm very busy with school work.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 05:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== Project Idea==
Hello, i would like to run my idea for a Project past you. The basic idea of it is to document all side quests in the series, and write walkthroughs for them. This includes anything that is not part of the story for any of the games. For example, the abandoned ship in Generation III. Thanks [[User:The doctor9|The doctor9]] 08:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, sounds like something we could develop on. Could you give me a better example?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::The battle fronteer. Giving a walkthrough on how to beat each fronteer brain, and how to get to the fronteer brains in the first place. Another example could be the Island just off the coast of Sinnoh, only accessable after the elite four have been defeated, or the Sevii islands. [[User:The doctor9|The doctor9]] 00:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, Bulbapedia isn't a walkthrough, its a Pokémon encyclopedia, but there is a project dedicated to [[Bulbapedia:Project Walkthroughs|walkthroughs]], which is run by {{u|KCorp4000}}. So talk to him about it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 01:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

==Featured Stub==
The featured stub on the page for project locations is out of date due to the fact that it simply isn't a stub anymore.--[[User:RegiRuler|Regi]][[User talk:RegiRuler|Ruler]] 12:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:I'll take it off when there is a Geography section added to it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:09, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
::Can you show me an example of one?--[[User:RegiRuler|Regi]][[User talk:RegiRuler|Ruler]] 22:23, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Here try, [[Mt. Moon|this]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 04:21, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Encounter mechanics ==

I saw you added the encounter mechanics to the [[Tall grass]] page. I was wondering if the mechanics are the same for when you surf on water or go fishing. Thanks. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 01:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:I think surfing is the same, but fishing is different.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:57, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Cities and Towns ==

Should the Pokémon Center and PokéMart be part of the "Places of Interest"? I want to ask this to be clear. --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 00:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:No, Pokémon Centers and PokéMarts are common buildings that are in most towns and cities.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 04:54, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

== About Project Cities and Towns ==

The project is basically dead. Everything is pretty much outdated, especially the to-do list. You're the leader, shouldn't you be managing the project on an almost daily basis? I don't mean to question your authority, but it boggles my brain.--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:I've been very busy at the moment. When I get the time I'll update the page. Thankyou.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:14, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== Orre ==

I asked the same question to MAGNEDETH. Since you're the leader of the projects, I figured I should ask you the same thing, since you might know the reason or can fix the problem. In the box "Regions in the Pokemon World", why is Orre listed under the "Main series"? It should be under "Side games"... --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 17:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:I was going to ask you this question. But, I seem to have already asked you this before. You have not given me your opinion. There's a thread in the Bulbawiki Forum, you can put down your thoughts. Since you're the leader of Project Locations, you should have the final say once and for all. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:01, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== We gots us some vandals! ==

Remocari and Vyrdese are spambots/vandals creating spampages {{redlink|Pr Week Uk Jobs|here}} and {{redlink|Psv Driving Jobs|here}} that need to be blocked and the pages deleted. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|JediKnight]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|DTV]] 18:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Taken care of. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Names ==

Well, DennouZenshou changed all of "In other languages" to "Names" for all the cities. Do you think the change is proper? Should it be "In other languages" to be consistent with other pages, like the Pokemon...--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:46, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:No, it should be "In other languages". I'll have a word with him soon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 07:00, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::If we have "In other languages" section, what happens to English and Japanese names? I find it totally pointless to explain their etymologies in a different place. And location articles don't have to be consistent with species articles.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 14:18, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:::The "In other languages" section for Pokémon only includes German, French, Chinese, Korean and some other languages that isn't Japanese or English. I think "Names" would make more sense since those two languages aren't "others". (Besides the pages of character also use "Names").--'''神智の[[User:神奇超龍|超龍]]'''「[[User talk:神奇超龍|對話]]」 15:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I will put it up to a vote [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Cities and Towns#"In other languages" section name change|here]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Hey Clarky13! I feel like it's unfair to post it under the Project Cities and Towns, because no one really pays attention. Don't you think it'd be easier to create a poll on the forums? I could do it, if you'd like me to. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:41, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Do you object to this change?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Of course I do! :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 00:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Very well then.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Yo yo yiggity yo ==

<strike>Now that I've clearly established what I came here to discuss with you in the subject line, onto the topic at hand. [[Miror B.'s Hideout|This page]] falls under your domain of Locations, as well as my self proclaimed domain of all that is Colosseum and XD. So, this page also has two sections in it, the Pyrite Building and Pyrite Cave. Because of this, there are four sets of trainers that need to be contained in them both. Now I have two sets of them in my {{u|PsychicRider/Sandbox/Colosseum|Sandbox}}, in addition to the two sets that are already there, which are incomplete. However, when I went to add them and they broke the page due to a template overload. D8!. And that was without completing the set that was already there. So should we split the pages in half, as Pyrite Cave and Pyrite Building/Miror B.'s Hideout, or what? Cheers~ --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 00:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</strike>
:Nevermind, we got it. D; --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 04:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

== Land Area/Size ==
Hey! I was wondering if I could add a new sub-section to include land area. It is real simple. All you have to do is count the steps horizontally and vertically. This could go next to the demographics section. Do you think it's a good idea? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:24, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:Why would we need that for?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 05:55, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::Same reason as the demographics. Also, some people claim that Castelia City is the largest city by land area. I think we should calculate it, rather than assume it's the biggest. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I don't think this is an important piece of information. For one, we are looking at the game from a canon point of view, so demographics is an important in-game statistic. Besides I'm pretty sure Castelia City is the largest city by land area, if you don't believe this, count it for yourself.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:17, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== New English name confirmed ==

Zebstrika (japanese: zeburaika) Don't believe me? It comes from the official website: the last paragraph shows the name- here's the link. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/trading-cards/bw_series/bw1/]. Thanks! {{unsigned|TheTheDragon14}}
:Yes, but why are you telling me this? And please sign your comments.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:49, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sinnoh maps ==

Hi Clarky, 
I've noticed that Bulbapedia's mapping of Sinnoh is at best sort of washed out, and at worst non-existent. I'm able to remedy this, if you'd like it. My group have mapped the entirety of Sinnoh's exterior, and a portion of its interior, and basically we were wondering if you'd want the maps? They're all done to a high quality (and have also been submitted to vgmaps.com), and are from Platinum. They contain the maps as seen in-game, complete with trainers and items, if that's alright? Sadly we don't have any "clean" versions, since to do so would take longer than we wanted to spend. The mapping has been done by myself and (to be fair, mostly) another guy, who has since left, but consented to his stuff going up on here. So do you mind if I replace the current Sinnoh maps with my crop? If you want to see them, they can be found [http://www.vgmaps.com/forums/index.php?topic=1154.0 at this link].

Hope to be of service, [[User:CDRom|CDRom]] 03:15, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:Hi there, I'm head of the Bulbagarden Archives and I've done some mapping before as well. We would love it if you could upload these maps, so please feel free to do that anytime. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 03:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, please! This will be fantastic! Thank you very much.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:01, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

== Edit Request ==

Hi Clarky13 I am going throuth the Pokémon Ranger Articles and I wanted add to murph's page that he had a slowpoke (in picture format, like in Spenser's) But I am not too sure on how to do it. And I thought if anyone could do it it was the CharDex Project leader. I thank you or anyone else if they did very much. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 19:56, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

== Anime Exclusives Locations ==
Each main series region article has an incomplete list of anime exclusive locations. Not many people are trying to complete them so since your project leader, can you encourage people to try to complete them. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 01:20, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:I hope I'm not butting in, but I thought it'd be convenient for all of us to communicate here. I think that we need to come up with a way to somehow incorporate the anime-exclusive locations into the "insert-region" article without it stretching the article. For example, take a look at the [[Kanto]] article's anime-exclusive locations section. You can see that it takes up a good chunk of the article. I think we should discuss how to make it look.. cleaner and tidier. You guys get what I'm saying? I think it'd be a cool idea to create a chart and only include the location names and picture of the locations. It's simply a suggestion, do you guys have a better idea? [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::Hi, kids. I'm on hiatus but I'm going to jump in and help. Now, I'm not one of those big city lawyers, but it seems to me we have a problem called "quantity over quality". You might of heard of it. And I read a very flavourful article by a good friend of mine, which you can read [[User:electAbuzzzz/Quality|right here]]. Wow, look at that, I still remember how to wiki-code. Now, back to business. Why, on the [[Kanto]] page, do we have so many maps of Kanto? Yes, they should be in the article, but, no, they shouldn't be stuck there to the right. Now, if you look at my good friend, the [[Johto]] article. Ah, bliss. Follow my lead, wink, wink. Wow, look how much I'm writing, finally my exams are doing me good. Back on topic. Now, I'm looking at the history of these articles, and it seems you guys have the knowledge to complete the list. And as for the bulkiness problem, I believe it was the picture that was causing the problem in the first place. Get rid of the picture, and maybe the description in the anime-exclusive locations, and badda-boom, problem solved. And don't forget, keep up the good work. --[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:05, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

== Project Locations: Mystery Dungeons ==

Okay! Now I know how this works. (spent 5 minutes figuring how to add a new topic into your talk page). Okay, On most of the mystery dungeons, they are all stubs. I don't get it, some have the same info, but are not stubs, while the others aren't. What does a mystery dungeon need to be non-stub?[[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 22:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
:Generally stubs are pages with insufficient information and is able to be expanded. It's possible that someone has added information and forgot to remove the stub tag. What pages were you looking at?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 03:19, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
::I was looking at Right and Left cave paths, from the special episode "Here comes team charm". I'm not entirely sure what is needed there. I've seen some item lists, but some without, and some of those without item lists have no stub marking. (I created [[Left Cave Path]], but since it's with the same information as it's counterpart [[Right Cave Path]], I guess it's still a stub). Oh, and by the way, if I need to add levels to the list of pokemon in the dungeon, I'm not sure how I can find that out. They are un-recruitable, and if it needs some kind of hacking magic thingy, that's impossible for me. [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 04:48, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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== Epic music ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo Don't worry I found it myself]. You can't touch... your page. It's been a pleasure doing business with you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:22, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:Jerk. Nuff said.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:33, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::I know you love me really. Also, I had first comment. *pwnsome* Er, what was that about a {{bp|talk page}} policy? *runs* —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Grabs Trom by ears* Yeah, that's right, Mr. Admin.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

== Congrats! ==

Welcome to the club, Clarky. Now you have new toys to play with. Oh, and we like the concept of your help page. Keep working on it. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 00:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, congrats Clarky.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 03:16, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::Owwww, look at those shiny red examination marks, I'm in heaven.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 03:19, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== I don't get you ==

Why did you revert me and bring back this nosense chaos in [[Viridian Forest]]? That passage is constantly repeating itself and worded TERRIBLY. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:07, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:Man, your mean. Your rewording may have cleaned it up a bit, however, you have lost some significant information. So if you want to keep your description can you please add back the missing information.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 09:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::I didn't lose anything. Aside from that "Viridian Forest was cut down" crap, which is just false conclusion made by fans. NPCs in GSC still mention "Viridian Forest", meaning that it did exist but not as a standalone dungeon. Aside from that, I just made the passage more smooth and deleted unneccessary repeatings. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Ah, that's what you meant. I indeed ignored the sentence because it said that "In Generation '''II''', the forest is back with Pokemon similar to Yellow". II, not IV. That's why that sequence made no sense to me. Also, those "similar Pokemon" is just Pidgeotto, in fact. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:50, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::::And Pikachu. Anyway, I hope you've do your ranting and getting all angsty with me.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 09:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Gee, THAT wasn't nice. I'm here just to correct Bulbapedia's error and mistakes (which are a plenty of) and doing some more serious contributions at times. My purpose is not to be an ass to people. I'm doing what this Pedia needs. There's no time to role play an angel or someone who I'm not. It's Bulbapedia, not Bulbatheatre. Mistakes and confusing errors have to be corrected. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:04, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::You realize I'm joking.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 13:44, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

==Route 27 edits==
Sorry to rewrite your edit but at least in my game you cannot fly to Johto from Route 27. [[User:Tyagohexagon|Tyagohexagon]] 20:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:Ah, sorry. I mixed Route 27 up for Route 26. Plus, it wasn't my information that I put there, I was just rewriting someone elses edit. BTW, put your comments at the bottom of the page. Thank you.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 13:13, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Because you run the Trainer Class bit...:V ==

I don't feel like I could make all executive decisions for the project, have a look at [[User:PsychicRider/TrainerIntro|this]]. It's nothing big, I think we could have a sort of intro of sorts, with some modding, for the Trainer Classes, because I think they <strike>are totally boring</strike> could stand to use something to detail them more. Also, if you can sometime in the near future, get on AIM to discuss this more...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 00:46, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oh wow, Psy. That's definitely an approval from me. I was thinking of do a template for the Trainer Class, but this is really amazing.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 13:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks Clarky, it did it all by myself <strike>with some help from CP and TTE</strike>. :D...It's not gonna really replace anything, it's just gonna be sort of like an intro basically...But glad you like it and TTE said he's gonna make some mods to it...sometime or something...IDK...But anyways, hopefully it can be added like ASANow or soon....--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:10, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:::May I also suggest that you guys turn the TCspritebox into a template? I can help... maybe... if I have time... shouldn't be hard though. <strike>*commits to stuff he hasn't got time for... again*</strike> —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::::What's that Trom? You want to help? Thanks for volunteering. <strike>Jerk</strike> Love you.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

== Crown City ==

How does [[User:Immewnity/Crown City|this]] look?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 15:18, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:Wonderful, but is there any more information on it?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:02, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::I don't know. I haven't seen the movie. Nor has most people. Maybe move it now and protect it for a week to avoid speculation? The movie airs July 10, btw.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== A request for assistance ==

Hi there Clarky13. I'd like to ask for your assistance in a small matter. Myself and CuboneKing have been, through the last few months, changing grammar on some articles, changing "based off of" to "based on", "fell off of" to "fell off" and so on. Together we have managed to correct over 200 articles (with permission from TTEchidna), but there is one left. In the "Pokémon World" article there are two instances of "based off of" and as this is a featured article neither myself or CuboneKing have the authority to change it. I was wondering if I could trouble you to help us out and change it for us? I can locate where the two instances are to make it easier for you if you so wish.

Thank you--[[User:Burjojo|Burjojo]] 20:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done and done--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
::You legend! Thanks! --[[User:Burjojo|Burjojo]] 17:17, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I wasn't sure where to ask this and I'm sincerely sorry if this is the wrong spot but I do not have permission to edit the [[Legendary Pokemon]] page, however it needs a very small edit. Before it goes into detail on the various Legendary Pokemon, it says "Of the 649 Pokemon... 37 are legendary" when the 37 should be 47. I was hoping someone with permission to edit that could do so. Thank you very much if you can do so! --[[User:Lunar Cloud|Lunar Cloud]] 07:47, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Done.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 07:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon locations on routes, towns etc ==

Hey Clarky, as you're the leader of Project Locations, I'd thought I'd let you know that I made a [[User:Takharii/sandbox#New Pokemon locations (on routes) template)|new Pokémon locations template]], because the [[template:Catchableheader|old]] [[template:Catchentry1|one]] is a bit out-of-date. it uses the [[User:Takharii/pokélisth|same]] [[User:Takharii/pokélistbod|three]] [[User:Takharii/pokélistfoot|parts]] as [[template:itlisth/doc|the item one]]. I hope you like it =D [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 07:28, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:Its looks great! Address this to TTE. He's the one doing the templates around here.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:47, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

== File edits ==
Sorry if I'm asking the wrong person, so please redirect me if I am, but how can I change an image file. I have the correct version of the shiny Seaking Emerald sprite and I don't know how to change it. --[[User:Foorganders|Foorganders]] 09:44, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:You shouldn't be changing the file name, they're named that way for a reason. Did you try uploading over the file? If you can't, it might be because you're a new user, try making some edits to the Archives. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 10:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not trying to change the file name, and I couldn't upload over the file. I'll presume that I need to make more edits. Also, for some reason the file is fixed, and it has my name on the file uploader, so I presume you fixed it for me. --[[User:Foorganders|Foorganders]] 13:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I just deleted the old one and moved yours to the correct name. Keep making more edits, you should eventually be able to upload over files. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 13:22, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks for that.--[[User:Foorganders|Foorganders]] 18:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== Your wonderful userspace ==

I was going through it to see what I can put on my template, and I noticed a few things that were incorporated, and I deleted those pages. I just wanted to make sure you didn't mind, because I can always restore anything. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 10:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, yes. Of course. I would of done, it but I'm very busy with school work.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 05:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== Project Idea==
Hello, i would like to run my idea for a Project past you. The basic idea of it is to document all side quests in the series, and write walkthroughs for them. This includes anything that is not part of the story for any of the games. For example, the abandoned ship in Generation III. Thanks [[User:The doctor9|The doctor9]] 08:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, sounds like something we could develop on. Could you give me a better example?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::The battle fronteer. Giving a walkthrough on how to beat each fronteer brain, and how to get to the fronteer brains in the first place. Another example could be the Island just off the coast of Sinnoh, only accessable after the elite four have been defeated, or the Sevii islands. [[User:The doctor9|The doctor9]] 00:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, Bulbapedia isn't a walkthrough, its a Pokémon encyclopedia, but there is a project dedicated to [[Bulbapedia:Project Walkthroughs|walkthroughs]], which is run by {{u|KCorp4000}}. So talk to him about it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 01:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

==Featured Stub==
The featured stub on the page for project locations is out of date due to the fact that it simply isn't a stub anymore.--[[User:RegiRuler|Regi]][[User talk:RegiRuler|Ruler]] 12:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:I'll take it off when there is a Geography section added to it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:09, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
::Can you show me an example of one?--[[User:RegiRuler|Regi]][[User talk:RegiRuler|Ruler]] 22:23, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Here try, [[Mt. Moon|this]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 04:21, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Encounter mechanics ==

I saw you added the encounter mechanics to the [[Tall grass]] page. I was wondering if the mechanics are the same for when you surf on water or go fishing. Thanks. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 01:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:I think surfing is the same, but fishing is different.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:57, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Cities and Towns ==

Should the Pokémon Center and PokéMart be part of the "Places of Interest"? I want to ask this to be clear. --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 00:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:No, Pokémon Centers and PokéMarts are common buildings that are in most towns and cities.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 04:54, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

== About Project Cities and Towns ==

The project is basically dead. Everything is pretty much outdated, especially the to-do list. You're the leader, shouldn't you be managing the project on an almost daily basis? I don't mean to question your authority, but it boggles my brain.--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:I've been very busy at the moment. When I get the time I'll update the page. Thankyou.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:14, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== Orre ==

I asked the same question to MAGNEDETH. Since you're the leader of the projects, I figured I should ask you the same thing, since you might know the reason or can fix the problem. In the box "Regions in the Pokemon World", why is Orre listed under the "Main series"? It should be under "Side games"... --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 17:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:I was going to ask you this question. But, I seem to have already asked you this before. You have not given me your opinion. There's a thread in the Bulbawiki Forum, you can put down your thoughts. Since you're the leader of Project Locations, you should have the final say once and for all. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:01, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== We gots us some vandals! ==

Remocari and Vyrdese are spambots/vandals creating spampages {{redlink|Pr Week Uk Jobs|here}} and {{redlink|Psv Driving Jobs|here}} that need to be blocked and the pages deleted. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|JediKnight]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|DTV]] 18:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Taken care of. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Names ==

Well, DennouZenshou changed all of "In other languages" to "Names" for all the cities. Do you think the change is proper? Should it be "In other languages" to be consistent with other pages, like the Pokemon...--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:46, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:No, it should be "In other languages". I'll have a word with him soon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 07:00, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::If we have "In other languages" section, what happens to English and Japanese names? I find it totally pointless to explain their etymologies in a different place. And location articles don't have to be consistent with species articles.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 14:18, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:::The "In other languages" section for Pokémon only includes German, French, Chinese, Korean and some other languages that isn't Japanese or English. I think "Names" would make more sense since those two languages aren't "others". (Besides the pages of character also use "Names").--'''神智の[[User:神奇超龍|超龍]]'''「[[User talk:神奇超龍|對話]]」 15:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I will put it up to a vote [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Cities and Towns#"In other languages" section name change|here]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Hey Clarky13! I feel like it's unfair to post it under the Project Cities and Towns, because no one really pays attention. Don't you think it'd be easier to create a poll on the forums? I could do it, if you'd like me to. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:41, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Do you object to this change?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Of course I do! :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 00:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Very well then.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Yo yo yiggity yo ==

<strike>Now that I've clearly established what I came here to discuss with you in the subject line, onto the topic at hand. [[Miror B.'s Hideout|This page]] falls under your domain of Locations, as well as my self proclaimed domain of all that is Colosseum and XD. So, this page also has two sections in it, the Pyrite Building and Pyrite Cave. Because of this, there are four sets of trainers that need to be contained in them both. Now I have two sets of them in my {{u|PsychicRider/Sandbox/Colosseum|Sandbox}}, in addition to the two sets that are already there, which are incomplete. However, when I went to add them and they broke the page due to a template overload. D8!. And that was without completing the set that was already there. So should we split the pages in half, as Pyrite Cave and Pyrite Building/Miror B.'s Hideout, or what? Cheers~ --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 00:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</strike>
:Nevermind, we got it. D; --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 04:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

== Land Area/Size ==
Hey! I was wondering if I could add a new sub-section to include land area. It is real simple. All you have to do is count the steps horizontally and vertically. This could go next to the demographics section. Do you think it's a good idea? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:24, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:Why would we need that for?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 05:55, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::Same reason as the demographics. Also, some people claim that Castelia City is the largest city by land area. I think we should calculate it, rather than assume it's the biggest. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I don't think this is an important piece of information. For one, we are looking at the game from a canon point of view, so demographics is an important in-game statistic. Besides I'm pretty sure Castelia City is the largest city by land area, if you don't believe this, count it for yourself.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:17, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== New English name confirmed ==

Zebstrika (japanese: zeburaika) Don't believe me? It comes from the official website: the last paragraph shows the name- here's the link. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/trading-cards/bw_series/bw1/]. Thanks! {{unsigned|TheTheDragon14}}
:Yes, but why are you telling me this? And please sign your comments.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:49, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sinnoh maps ==

Hi Clarky, 
I've noticed that Bulbapedia's mapping of Sinnoh is at best sort of washed out, and at worst non-existent. I'm able to remedy this, if you'd like it. My group have mapped the entirety of Sinnoh's exterior, and a portion of its interior, and basically we were wondering if you'd want the maps? They're all done to a high quality (and have also been submitted to vgmaps.com), and are from Platinum. They contain the maps as seen in-game, complete with trainers and items, if that's alright? Sadly we don't have any "clean" versions, since to do so would take longer than we wanted to spend. The mapping has been done by myself and (to be fair, mostly) another guy, who has since left, but consented to his stuff going up on here. So do you mind if I replace the current Sinnoh maps with my crop? If you want to see them, they can be found [http://www.vgmaps.com/forums/index.php?topic=1154.0 at this link].

Hope to be of service, [[User:CDRom|CDRom]] 03:15, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:Hi there, I'm head of the Bulbagarden Archives and I've done some mapping before as well. We would love it if you could upload these maps, so please feel free to do that anytime. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 03:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, please! This will be fantastic! Thank you very much.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:01, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

== Edit Request ==

Hi Clarky13 I am going throuth the Pokémon Ranger Articles and I wanted add to murph's page that he had a slowpoke (in picture format, like in Spenser's) But I am not too sure on how to do it. And I thought if anyone could do it it was the CharDex Project leader. I thank you or anyone else if they did very much. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 19:56, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

== Anime Exclusives Locations ==
Each main series region article has an incomplete list of anime exclusive locations. Not many people are trying to complete them so since your project leader, can you encourage people to try to complete them. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 01:20, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:I hope I'm not butting in, but I thought it'd be convenient for all of us to communicate here. I think that we need to come up with a way to somehow incorporate the anime-exclusive locations into the "insert-region" article without it stretching the article. For example, take a look at the [[Kanto]] article's anime-exclusive locations section. You can see that it takes up a good chunk of the article. I think we should discuss how to make it look.. cleaner and tidier. You guys get what I'm saying? I think it'd be a cool idea to create a chart and only include the location names and picture of the locations. It's simply a suggestion, do you guys have a better idea? [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::Hi, kids. I'm on hiatus but I'm going to jump in and help. Now, I'm not one of those big city lawyers, but it seems to me we have a problem called "quantity over quality". You might of heard of it. And I read a very flavourful article by a good friend of mine, which you can read [[User:electAbuzzzz/Quality|right here]]. Wow, look at that, I still remember how to wiki-code. Now, back to business. Why, on the [[Kanto]] page, do we have so many maps of Kanto? Yes, they should be in the article, but, no, they shouldn't be stuck there to the right. Now, if you look at my good friend, the [[Johto]] article. Ah, bliss. Follow my lead, wink, wink. Wow, look how much I'm writing, finally my exams are doing me good. Back on topic. Now, I'm looking at the history of these articles, and it seems you guys have the knowledge to complete the list. And as for the bulkiness problem, I believe it was the picture that was causing the problem in the first place. Get rid of the picture, and maybe the description in the anime-exclusive locations, and badda-boom, problem solved. And don't forget, keep up the good work. --[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:05, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

== Project Locations: Mystery Dungeons ==

Okay! Now I know how this works. (spent 5 minutes figuring how to add a new topic into your talk page). Okay, On most of the mystery dungeons, they are all stubs. I don't get it, some have the same info, but are not stubs, while the others aren't. What does a mystery dungeon need to be non-stub?[[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 22:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
:Generally stubs are pages with insufficient information and is able to be expanded. It's possible that someone has added information and forgot to remove the stub tag. What pages were you looking at?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 03:19, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
::I was looking at Right and Left cave paths, from the special episode "Here comes team charm". I'm not entirely sure what is needed there. I've seen some item lists, but some without, and some of those without item lists have no stub marking. (I created [[Left Cave Path]], but since it's with the same information, I guess it's still a stub). Oh, and by the way, if I need to add levels to the list of pokemon in the dungeon, I'm not sure how I can find that out. They are un-recruitable, and if it needs some kind of hacking magic thingy, that's impossible for me. [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 04:48, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

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== Epic music ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo Don't worry I found it myself]. You can't touch... your page. It's been a pleasure doing business with you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:22, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:Jerk. Nuff said.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:33, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::I know you love me really. Also, I had first comment. *pwnsome* Er, what was that about a {{bp|talk page}} policy? *runs* —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Grabs Trom by ears* Yeah, that's right, Mr. Admin.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

== Congrats! ==

Welcome to the club, Clarky. Now you have new toys to play with. Oh, and we like the concept of your help page. Keep working on it. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 00:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, congrats Clarky.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 03:16, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::Owwww, look at those shiny red examination marks, I'm in heaven.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 03:19, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== I don't get you ==

Why did you revert me and bring back this nosense chaos in [[Viridian Forest]]? That passage is constantly repeating itself and worded TERRIBLY. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:07, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:Man, your mean. Your rewording may have cleaned it up a bit, however, you have lost some significant information. So if you want to keep your description can you please add back the missing information.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 09:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::I didn't lose anything. Aside from that "Viridian Forest was cut down" crap, which is just false conclusion made by fans. NPCs in GSC still mention "Viridian Forest", meaning that it did exist but not as a standalone dungeon. Aside from that, I just made the passage more smooth and deleted unneccessary repeatings. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Ah, that's what you meant. I indeed ignored the sentence because it said that "In Generation '''II''', the forest is back with Pokemon similar to Yellow". II, not IV. That's why that sequence made no sense to me. Also, those "similar Pokemon" is just Pidgeotto, in fact. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:50, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::::And Pikachu. Anyway, I hope you've do your ranting and getting all angsty with me.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 09:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Gee, THAT wasn't nice. I'm here just to correct Bulbapedia's error and mistakes (which are a plenty of) and doing some more serious contributions at times. My purpose is not to be an ass to people. I'm doing what this Pedia needs. There's no time to role play an angel or someone who I'm not. It's Bulbapedia, not Bulbatheatre. Mistakes and confusing errors have to be corrected. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:04, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::You realize I'm joking.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 13:44, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

==Route 27 edits==
Sorry to rewrite your edit but at least in my game you cannot fly to Johto from Route 27. [[User:Tyagohexagon|Tyagohexagon]] 20:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:Ah, sorry. I mixed Route 27 up for Route 26. Plus, it wasn't my information that I put there, I was just rewriting someone elses edit. BTW, put your comments at the bottom of the page. Thank you.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 13:13, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Because you run the Trainer Class bit...:V ==

I don't feel like I could make all executive decisions for the project, have a look at [[User:PsychicRider/TrainerIntro|this]]. It's nothing big, I think we could have a sort of intro of sorts, with some modding, for the Trainer Classes, because I think they <strike>are totally boring</strike> could stand to use something to detail them more. Also, if you can sometime in the near future, get on AIM to discuss this more...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 00:46, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oh wow, Psy. That's definitely an approval from me. I was thinking of do a template for the Trainer Class, but this is really amazing.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 13:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks Clarky, it did it all by myself <strike>with some help from CP and TTE</strike>. :D...It's not gonna really replace anything, it's just gonna be sort of like an intro basically...But glad you like it and TTE said he's gonna make some mods to it...sometime or something...IDK...But anyways, hopefully it can be added like ASANow or soon....--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:10, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:::May I also suggest that you guys turn the TCspritebox into a template? I can help... maybe... if I have time... shouldn't be hard though. <strike>*commits to stuff he hasn't got time for... again*</strike> —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::::What's that Trom? You want to help? Thanks for volunteering. <strike>Jerk</strike> Love you.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

== Crown City ==

How does [[User:Immewnity/Crown City|this]] look?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 15:18, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:Wonderful, but is there any more information on it?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:02, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::I don't know. I haven't seen the movie. Nor has most people. Maybe move it now and protect it for a week to avoid speculation? The movie airs July 10, btw.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== A request for assistance ==

Hi there Clarky13. I'd like to ask for your assistance in a small matter. Myself and CuboneKing have been, through the last few months, changing grammar on some articles, changing "based off of" to "based on", "fell off of" to "fell off" and so on. Together we have managed to correct over 200 articles (with permission from TTEchidna), but there is one left. In the "Pokémon World" article there are two instances of "based off of" and as this is a featured article neither myself or CuboneKing have the authority to change it. I was wondering if I could trouble you to help us out and change it for us? I can locate where the two instances are to make it easier for you if you so wish.

Thank you--[[User:Burjojo|Burjojo]] 20:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done and done--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
::You legend! Thanks! --[[User:Burjojo|Burjojo]] 17:17, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I wasn't sure where to ask this and I'm sincerely sorry if this is the wrong spot but I do not have permission to edit the [[Legendary Pokemon]] page, however it needs a very small edit. Before it goes into detail on the various Legendary Pokemon, it says "Of the 649 Pokemon... 37 are legendary" when the 37 should be 47. I was hoping someone with permission to edit that could do so. Thank you very much if you can do so! --[[User:Lunar Cloud|Lunar Cloud]] 07:47, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Done.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 07:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon locations on routes, towns etc ==

Hey Clarky, as you're the leader of Project Locations, I'd thought I'd let you know that I made a [[User:Takharii/sandbox#New Pokemon locations (on routes) template)|new Pokémon locations template]], because the [[template:Catchableheader|old]] [[template:Catchentry1|one]] is a bit out-of-date. it uses the [[User:Takharii/pokélisth|same]] [[User:Takharii/pokélistbod|three]] [[User:Takharii/pokélistfoot|parts]] as [[template:itlisth/doc|the item one]]. I hope you like it =D [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 07:28, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:Its looks great! Address this to TTE. He's the one doing the templates around here.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:47, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

== File edits ==
Sorry if I'm asking the wrong person, so please redirect me if I am, but how can I change an image file. I have the correct version of the shiny Seaking Emerald sprite and I don't know how to change it. --[[User:Foorganders|Foorganders]] 09:44, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:You shouldn't be changing the file name, they're named that way for a reason. Did you try uploading over the file? If you can't, it might be because you're a new user, try making some edits to the Archives. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 10:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not trying to change the file name, and I couldn't upload over the file. I'll presume that I need to make more edits. Also, for some reason the file is fixed, and it has my name on the file uploader, so I presume you fixed it for me. --[[User:Foorganders|Foorganders]] 13:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I just deleted the old one and moved yours to the correct name. Keep making more edits, you should eventually be able to upload over files. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 13:22, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks for that.--[[User:Foorganders|Foorganders]] 18:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== Your wonderful userspace ==

I was going through it to see what I can put on my template, and I noticed a few things that were incorporated, and I deleted those pages. I just wanted to make sure you didn't mind, because I can always restore anything. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 10:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, yes. Of course. I would of done, it but I'm very busy with school work.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 05:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== Project Idea==
Hello, i would like to run my idea for a Project past you. The basic idea of it is to document all side quests in the series, and write walkthroughs for them. This includes anything that is not part of the story for any of the games. For example, the abandoned ship in Generation III. Thanks [[User:The doctor9|The doctor9]] 08:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, sounds like something we could develop on. Could you give me a better example?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::The battle fronteer. Giving a walkthrough on how to beat each fronteer brain, and how to get to the fronteer brains in the first place. Another example could be the Island just off the coast of Sinnoh, only accessable after the elite four have been defeated, or the Sevii islands. [[User:The doctor9|The doctor9]] 00:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, Bulbapedia isn't a walkthrough, its a Pokémon encyclopedia, but there is a project dedicated to [[Bulbapedia:Project Walkthroughs|walkthroughs]], which is run by {{u|KCorp4000}}. So talk to him about it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 01:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

==Featured Stub==
The featured stub on the page for project locations is out of date due to the fact that it simply isn't a stub anymore.--[[User:RegiRuler|Regi]][[User talk:RegiRuler|Ruler]] 12:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:I'll take it off when there is a Geography section added to it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:09, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
::Can you show me an example of one?--[[User:RegiRuler|Regi]][[User talk:RegiRuler|Ruler]] 22:23, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Here try, [[Mt. Moon|this]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 04:21, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Encounter mechanics ==

I saw you added the encounter mechanics to the [[Tall grass]] page. I was wondering if the mechanics are the same for when you surf on water or go fishing. Thanks. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 01:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:I think surfing is the same, but fishing is different.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:57, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Cities and Towns ==

Should the Pokémon Center and PokéMart be part of the "Places of Interest"? I want to ask this to be clear. --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 00:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:No, Pokémon Centers and PokéMarts are common buildings that are in most towns and cities.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 04:54, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

== About Project Cities and Towns ==

The project is basically dead. Everything is pretty much outdated, especially the to-do list. You're the leader, shouldn't you be managing the project on an almost daily basis? I don't mean to question your authority, but it boggles my brain.--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:I've been very busy at the moment. When I get the time I'll update the page. Thankyou.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:14, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== Orre ==

I asked the same question to MAGNEDETH. Since you're the leader of the projects, I figured I should ask you the same thing, since you might know the reason or can fix the problem. In the box "Regions in the Pokemon World", why is Orre listed under the "Main series"? It should be under "Side games"... --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 17:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:I was going to ask you this question. But, I seem to have already asked you this before. You have not given me your opinion. There's a thread in the Bulbawiki Forum, you can put down your thoughts. Since you're the leader of Project Locations, you should have the final say once and for all. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:01, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== We gots us some vandals! ==

Remocari and Vyrdese are spambots/vandals creating spampages {{redlink|Pr Week Uk Jobs|here}} and {{redlink|Psv Driving Jobs|here}} that need to be blocked and the pages deleted. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|JediKnight]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|DTV]] 18:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Taken care of. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Names ==

Well, DennouZenshou changed all of "In other languages" to "Names" for all the cities. Do you think the change is proper? Should it be "In other languages" to be consistent with other pages, like the Pokemon...--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:46, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:No, it should be "In other languages". I'll have a word with him soon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 07:00, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::If we have "In other languages" section, what happens to English and Japanese names? I find it totally pointless to explain their etymologies in a different place. And location articles don't have to be consistent with species articles.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 14:18, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:::The "In other languages" section for Pokémon only includes German, French, Chinese, Korean and some other languages that isn't Japanese or English. I think "Names" would make more sense since those two languages aren't "others". (Besides the pages of character also use "Names").--'''神智の[[User:神奇超龍|超龍]]'''「[[User talk:神奇超龍|對話]]」 15:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I will put it up to a vote [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Cities and Towns#"In other languages" section name change|here]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Hey Clarky13! I feel like it's unfair to post it under the Project Cities and Towns, because no one really pays attention. Don't you think it'd be easier to create a poll on the forums? I could do it, if you'd like me to. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:41, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Do you object to this change?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Of course I do! :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 00:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Very well then.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Yo yo yiggity yo ==

<strike>Now that I've clearly established what I came here to discuss with you in the subject line, onto the topic at hand. [[Miror B.'s Hideout|This page]] falls under your domain of Locations, as well as my self proclaimed domain of all that is Colosseum and XD. So, this page also has two sections in it, the Pyrite Building and Pyrite Cave. Because of this, there are four sets of trainers that need to be contained in them both. Now I have two sets of them in my {{u|PsychicRider/Sandbox/Colosseum|Sandbox}}, in addition to the two sets that are already there, which are incomplete. However, when I went to add them and they broke the page due to a template overload. D8!. And that was without completing the set that was already there. So should we split the pages in half, as Pyrite Cave and Pyrite Building/Miror B.'s Hideout, or what? Cheers~ --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 00:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</strike>
:Nevermind, we got it. D; --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 04:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

== Land Area/Size ==
Hey! I was wondering if I could add a new sub-section to include land area. It is real simple. All you have to do is count the steps horizontally and vertically. This could go next to the demographics section. Do you think it's a good idea? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:24, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:Why would we need that for?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 05:55, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::Same reason as the demographics. Also, some people claim that Castelia City is the largest city by land area. I think we should calculate it, rather than assume it's the biggest. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I don't think this is an important piece of information. For one, we are looking at the game from a canon point of view, so demographics is an important in-game statistic. Besides I'm pretty sure Castelia City is the largest city by land area, if you don't believe this, count it for yourself.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:17, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== New English name confirmed ==

Zebstrika (japanese: zeburaika) Don't believe me? It comes from the official website: the last paragraph shows the name- here's the link. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/trading-cards/bw_series/bw1/]. Thanks! {{unsigned|TheTheDragon14}}
:Yes, but why are you telling me this? And please sign your comments.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:49, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sinnoh maps ==

Hi Clarky, 
I've noticed that Bulbapedia's mapping of Sinnoh is at best sort of washed out, and at worst non-existent. I'm able to remedy this, if you'd like it. My group have mapped the entirety of Sinnoh's exterior, and a portion of its interior, and basically we were wondering if you'd want the maps? They're all done to a high quality (and have also been submitted to vgmaps.com), and are from Platinum. They contain the maps as seen in-game, complete with trainers and items, if that's alright? Sadly we don't have any "clean" versions, since to do so would take longer than we wanted to spend. The mapping has been done by myself and (to be fair, mostly) another guy, who has since left, but consented to his stuff going up on here. So do you mind if I replace the current Sinnoh maps with my crop? If you want to see them, they can be found [http://www.vgmaps.com/forums/index.php?topic=1154.0 at this link].

Hope to be of service, [[User:CDRom|CDRom]] 03:15, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:Hi there, I'm head of the Bulbagarden Archives and I've done some mapping before as well. We would love it if you could upload these maps, so please feel free to do that anytime. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 03:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, please! This will be fantastic! Thank you very much.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:01, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

== Edit Request ==

Hi Clarky13 I am going throuth the Pokémon Ranger Articles and I wanted add to murph's page that he had a slowpoke (in picture format, like in Spenser's) But I am not too sure on how to do it. And I thought if anyone could do it it was the CharDex Project leader. I thank you or anyone else if they did very much. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 19:56, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

== Anime Exclusives Locations ==
Each main series region article has an incomplete list of anime exclusive locations. Not many people are trying to complete them so since your project leader, can you encourage people to try to complete them. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 01:20, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:I hope I'm not butting in, but I thought it'd be convenient for all of us to communicate here. I think that we need to come up with a way to somehow incorporate the anime-exclusive locations into the "insert-region" article without it stretching the article. For example, take a look at the [[Kanto]] article's anime-exclusive locations section. You can see that it takes up a good chunk of the article. I think we should discuss how to make it look.. cleaner and tidier. You guys get what I'm saying? I think it'd be a cool idea to create a chart and only include the location names and picture of the locations. It's simply a suggestion, do you guys have a better idea? [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::Hi, kids. I'm on hiatus but I'm going to jump in and help. Now, I'm not one of those big city lawyers, but it seems to me we have a problem called "quantity over quality". You might of heard of it. And I read a very flavourful article by a good friend of mine, which you can read [[User:electAbuzzzz/Quality|right here]]. Wow, look at that, I still remember how to wiki-code. Now, back to business. Why, on the [[Kanto]] page, do we have so many maps of Kanto? Yes, they should be in the article, but, no, they shouldn't be stuck there to the right. Now, if you look at my good friend, the [[Johto]] article. Ah, bliss. Follow my lead, wink, wink. Wow, look how much I'm writing, finally my exams are doing me good. Back on topic. Now, I'm looking at the history of these articles, and it seems you guys have the knowledge to complete the list. And as for the bulkiness problem, I believe it was the picture that was causing the problem in the first place. Get rid of the picture, and maybe the description in the anime-exclusive locations, and badda-boom, problem solved. And don't forget, keep up the good work. --[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:05, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

== Project Locations: Mystery Dungeons ==

Okay! Now I know how this works. (spent 5 minutes figuring how to add a new topic into your talk page). Okay, On most of the mystery dungeons, they are all stubs. I don't get it, some have the same info, but are not stubs, while the others aren't. What does a mystery dungeon need to be non-stub?[[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 22:19, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
:Generally stubs are pages with insufficient information and is able to be expanded. It's possible that someone has added information and forgot to remove the stub tag. What pages were you looking at?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 03:19, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
::I was looking at Right and Left cave paths, from the special episode "Here comes team charm". I'm not entirely sure what is needed there. I've seen some item lists, but some without, and some of those without item lists have no stub marking. (I created [[Left Cave Path]], but since it's with the same information, I guess it's still a stub). [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 04:48, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Battle Frontier (Generation IV)

2011-12-19T01:27:46Z

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{{Featured}}
{{split|{{redlink|Battle Tower (Generation IV)}}, {{redlink|Battle Factory (Generation IV)}}, {{redlink|Battle Arcade}}, {{redlink|Battle Castle}}, and {{redlink|Battle Hall}}}}
{{Incomplete|needs=No manga or TCG section}}
{{Infobox location
|image=Battle Frontier GenIV.jpg
|type=road
|location_name=Battle Frontier
|japanese_name=バトルフロンティア
|translated_name=Battle Frontier
|location=[[Battle Zone]] (Sinnoh) {{rt|40|Johto}} (Johto)
|region=Sinnoh
|region2=Johto
|generation={{gen|IV}}
|map=FrontierPHGSS.gif
}}

The '''Battle Frontier''' (Japanese: '''バトルフロンティア''' ''Battle Frontier'') is a special post-league area featured in the [[Generation IV]] games, {{game|Platinum}}, {{2v2|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}. It is similar to the Battle Frontier featured in {{game|Emerald}}, the [[Hoenn]] {{gdis|Battle Frontier|III}}. The key difference is the number of facilities and the challenges they hold.

This Frontier is found in two regions, [[Sinnoh]] and [[Johto]]; each region's Frontier is identical in facilities and appearance. The Sinnoh Frontier is located north of the [[Fight Area]] in the place of {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}'s {{si|Battle Park}}. The Johto Frontier is located west of [[Olivine City]], where the {{jo|Battle Tower}} was located in {{game|Crystal}}. Access to Johto's frontier is through the [[Frontier Access]]. Each of the facilities in the Battle Frontier has a leader, the [[Frontier Brain]], who may be challenged after certain {{wp|winning streak (sports)|winning streaks}} have been made through their respective facilities. Defeating the Frontier Brains will earn the player [[commemorative print]]s.

Only two of the facilities had been featured in Pokémon games prior to the Battle Frontier's debut in Platinum. The Battle Tower and Battle Factory were both present in Emerald; the Battle Tower has been in every game since its debut in Crystal, excluding FireRed and LeafGreen, which featured a similar facility called [[Trainer Tower]].

==Overview==
[[File:Battle Frontier IV map.png|thumb|300px|right|Overview of the Battle Frontier]]
Upon the player's first entry into the Battle Frontier, their [[Vs. Recorder]] will be upgraded with a {{DL|Vs. Recorder|Frontier Record}} by a woman at the entrance. The Vs. Recorder keeps the amount of [[Battle Point]]s the players has. It also contains the [[commemorative print]]s obtained from the Battle Frontier. One {{pkmn|battle}} from within one of the facilities may be recorded and stored on the Frontier Record, which may be watched or overwritten with another at any time.

On winning through a set amount of battles in any given facility, [[Battle Points]], or BP, will be awarded, usually in small amounts, but gradually growing through each consecutive streak. Defeating the Frontier Brain of a given facility for the first time awards the silver commemorative print of that facility, while the second defeat of the same Brain gives the commemorative print a golden color. They are the equivalent of a [[badge]], and equivalent to the [[symbol]]s from [[Hoenn]]'s {{OBP|Battle Frontier|Generation III}}. The Frontier Brain will only appear in single battle mode. Also, defeating a Brain will always yield a 20BP reward. Battles conducted here do not award [[experience]] or [[Pokémon Dollar|money]]. Also, Pokémon seen in the battles will not be added to the [[Pokédex]].

[[File:Battle Frontier center.png|thumb|right|200px|The center of the Battle Frontier, with a map showing the five battle facilities]]
There are usually three forms of challenges. The first of these challenges is the standard single battle in which the challenger must engage in seven three on three battles in a row. Winning a set of seven battles earns the player [[Battle Point]]s. The second of these challenges follows the same layout as the standard single battle but are rather conducted as [[double battles]]. Each facility also offers Multi Battles that two players can participate in, using the Nintendo DS's Wireless Connection, to increase their record. The Battle Frontier also allows players from around the world connect together using {{wp|Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection}} to take part in multi Battles in any of the Battle Frontier facilities. This can be done by going to the Wi-Fi Club on the basement floor of any [[Pokémon Center]], and selecting the Battle Frontier function. However, both players must have entered the [[Hall of Fame]] and visited the Battle Frontier at least once.

Regardless of what challenge is taken, the following Pokémon are not allowed:

{| align="center" style="background: #505050; {{roundy}}; border: 2px solid #6f6f6f"
|- align="center"
| style="background: #fff; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{MSP|150|Mewtwo}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Mewtwo}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{MSP|151|Mew}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Mew}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{MSP|249|Lugia}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Lugia}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{MSP|250|Ho-Oh}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Ho-Oh}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{MSP|251|Celebi}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Celebi}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{MSP|382|Kyogre}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{p|Kyogre}}
| style="background: #fff" | {{MSP|383|Groudon}}
| style="background: #fff; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{p|Groudon}}
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| {{MSP|384|Rayquaza}}
| {{p|Rayquaza}}
| {{MSP|385|Jirachi}}
| {{p|Jirachi}}
| {{MSP|386|Deoxys}}
| {{p|Deoxys}} [[Form differences#Deoxys|Normal Forme]]
| {{MSP|386A|Deoxys}}
| {{p|Deoxys}} [[Form differences#Deoxys|Attack Forme]]
| {{MSP|386D|Deoxys}}
| {{p|Deoxys}} [[Form differences#Deoxys|Defense Forme]]
| {{MSP|386S|Deoxys}}
| {{p|Deoxys}} [[Form differences#Deoxys|Speed Forme]]
| {{MSP|479O|Rotom}}
| {{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|If an attempt is made to enter Rotom's alternate forms, it will revert to its base form.}} [[Form differences#Rotom|Heat Rotom]]
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| {{MSP|479W|Rotom}}
| {{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|If an attempt is made to enter Rotom's alternate forms, it will revert to its base form.}} [[Form differences#Rotom|Wash Rotom]]
| {{MSP|479R|Rotom}}
| {{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|If an attempt is made to enter Rotom's alternate forms, it will revert to its base form.}} [[Form differences#Rotom|Frost Rotom]]
| {{MSP|479F|Rotom}}
| {{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|If an attempt is made to enter Rotom's alternate forms, it will revert to its base form.}} [[Form differences#Rotom|Fan Rotom]]
| {{MSP|479L|Rotom}}
| {{p|Rotom}}{{tt|*|If an attempt is made to enter Rotom's alternate forms, it will revert to its base form.}} [[Form differences#Rotom|Mow Rotom]]
| {{MSP|483|Dialga}}
| {{p|Dialga}}
| {{MSP|484|Palkia}}
| {{p|Palkia}}
| {{MSP|487|Giratina}}
| {{p|Giratina}} [[Form differences#Giratina|Altered Forme]]
|- align="center" style="background: #fff"
| {{MSP|487O|Giratina}}
| {{p|Giratina}} [[Form differences#Giratina|Origin Forme]]
| {{MSP|489|Phione}}
| {{p|Phione}}
| {{MSP|490|Manaphy}}
| {{p|Manaphy}}
| {{MSP|491|Darkrai}}
| {{p|Darkrai}}
| {{MSP|492|Shaymin}}
| {{p|Shaymin}} [[Form differences#Shaymin|Land Forme]]
| {{MSP|492S|Shaymin}}
| {{p|Shaymin}} [[Form differences#Shaymin|Sky Forme]]
| {{MSP|493|Arceus}}
| {{p|Arceus}}
|- align="center"
|
|
|
|
| style="background: #fff;" | {{MSP|172|Pichu}}
| style="background: #fff;" | [[Spiky-eared Pichu|Spiky-eared]] {{p|Pichu}}
| style="background: #fff;" | {{MS|Egg|Pokémon egg}}
| style="background: #fff;" | {{pkmn|egg|Egg}}
| style="background: #fff;" | {{MS|ManaphyEgg|Pokémon egg}}
| style="background: #fff;" | {{p|Manaphy}} {{pkmn|egg|Egg}}
|
|
|
|
|}
The [[Soul Dew]] is disabled.

==Facilities==
===Battle Tower===
{{Facility infobox
|name=Tower
|jname=バトルタワー
|jtrans=Battle Tower
|image=Battle Tower IV.jpg
|color=tower
|slogon=Never Lose! Keep Winning!
|bpr=7
|partsing=3
|partdoub=4
|BP=Normal
|brain=Tower Tycoon Palmer
|brainvs=VSPalmer
|silver=21
|gold=49
}}
The '''Battle Tower''' (Japanese: '''バトルタワー''' ''Battle Tower'') is identical to the {{si|Battle Tower}} in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}. It is the northernmost facility in the Battle Frontier, and has a direct path to it from the entrance. It is on a large, glass platform that elevates above all the other facilities, making it the head of the Battle Frontier. The same small boy who stands in front of the Battle Tower in {{OBP|Battle Frontier|Generation III|Hoenn's Battle Frontier}}, is also standing outside this one.

The player battles seven Trainers consecutively in a simple knock-out, progressively becoming more difficult. Before entering, Trainers will choose three Pokémon to battle, their [[level]] reduced to 50. Players are not allowed to bring Pokémon with the same items here. Consumed items, such as [[Berry|Berries]], will be replaced after each battle. The player's Pokémon will also be healed completely after each battle. Players will then have the option to continue, rest, retire, or get their most recent battle recorded on their [[Vs. Recorder]]. The difficulty of battles here is based on how many rounds the player endures; the first round features fast opponents, the second round has opponent's Pokémon holding items, and starting in the third round, opponents begin to use strategic battle combinations.

There are also a number of other challenges in the Battle Tower that other facilities don't have. Multi battles can be conducted, following the format found in the other two challenges. Before the challenge begins, players can choose one among [[Riley]], [[Cheryl]], [[Buck]], [[Mira]], and [[Marley]] as their partner, though in Platinum, they must be met in certain areas before they will appear in the Tower. Each partner specializes in a different Pokémon [[Stats|stat]], and different Pokémon. There is also another feature that allows the player to randomly download a team using the [[Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection]], which will then begin to appear in the player's Battle Tower challenges. One can also upload their team to the database to be downloaded by another player.

{{FB|Tower Tycoon|Palmer}} is the [[Frontier Brain]] for the Battle Tower. He can be challenged after 21 consecutive battles. His first lineup is filled with fully evolved Pokémon, with high stats to match. Once defeated, he will give away the silver commemorative print. Palmer can be challenged again after 49 consecutive battles, and will give away the gold commemorative print when defeated. He uses different Pokémon during the second match, battling with three [[legendary Pokémon]].

====Awards====
Unlike the other facilities at the Battle Frontier, the Battle Tower awards the player [[goods]] and [[ribbon]]s for meeting certain conditions. Not only are there prizes for single battle, but also for winning consecutive [[double battle]]s or multi battle in the Wi-Fi battle room.

=====Goods=====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{tower color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{tower color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{tower color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Good
! style="background: #{{tower color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Achievement
|- style="background: #{{bronze color}}"
| align=center | Bronze Trophy
| align=center | Win 20 consecutive Single Battles
|- style="background: #{{silver color}}"
| align=center | Silver Trophy
| align=center | Win 50 consecutive Single Battles
|- style="background: #{{gold color}}"
| align=center | Gold Trophy
| align=center | Win 100 consecutive Single Battles
|}
{{-}}

=====Commemorative Ribbons=====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{tower color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{tower color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{tower color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Ribbon
! style="background: #{{tower color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Achievement
|- style="background: #{{cool color light}}"
| align=center | Ability Ribbon
| align=center | Defeat Tower Tycoon Palmer in Single Battle for the first time.
|- style="background: #{{cool color light}}"
| align=center | Great Ability Ribbon
| align=center | Defeat Tower Tycoon Palmer in Single Battle for the second time.
|- style="background: #{{cool color light}}"
| align=center | Double Ability Ribbon
| align=center | Win 50 consecutive Double Battles
|- style="background: #{{cool color light}}"
| align=center | Multi Ability Ribbon
| align=center | Win 50 consecutive Multi Battles
|- style="background: #{{cool color light}}"
| align=center | Pair Ability Ribbon
| align=center | Win 50 consecutive Multi Battles with two players
|- style="background: #{{cool color light}}"
| align=center | World Ability Ribbon
| align=center | Attain Rank 5 at the Wi-Fi Battle Room
|}
{{-}}

====Gallery====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{tower color}}; {{roundy}};" width="250px"
|- align="center"
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Tower Exterior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Tower Interior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:VS Palmer.png|200px]]
|- align="center"
| Outside the Battle Tower
| Inside the Battle Tower's lobby
| Before battle in the Battle Tower 
|}
{{-}}

===Battle Factory===
{{Facility infobox
|name=Factory
|jname=バトルファクトリー
|jtrans=Battle Factory
|image=Battle Factory IV.jpg
|color=factory
|slogon=Win Consecutively with Rental Pokémon
|bpr=7
|partsing=3
|partdoub=3
|BP=Many
|brain=Factory Head Thorton
|brainvs=VSThorton
|silver=21
|gold=49
}}
The '''Battle Factory''' (Japanese: '''バトルファクトリー''' ''Battle Factory'') is another battle venue in the Generation IV Battle Frontier, having basically the same rules as [[Hoenn]]'s {{OBP|Battle Frontier|Generation III}}'s Battle Factory. It is located on the northeast corner of the Battle Frontier. The blue building itself is much like a factory, with exhaust fans, and pipes. There is a long, glass panel on the floor of the building that transfers information around. There are [[Poké Ball]]s containing rental Pokémon in glass storage panels inside, and there is an electronic battle ground that lights up before a battle begins. Like Hoenn's Battle Factory, it is more dedicated to research than the other facilities, and the subject of the scientists' research is the abilities of Trainers when using random Pokémon in battle.

Before entering the Battle Factory, the player will be asked to hand over their current party in exchange for rental Pokémon. The player will then be able to choose three out of six random Pokémon to rent and battle another Trainer with rental Pokémon in that round. After winning a battle, the player's Pokémon will be healed completely, and the player will have the option to continue, rest, retire, or get their most recent battle recorded on their [[Vs. Recorder]]. If the player continues, they will get the offer to trade one of the rental Pokémon for their opponent's rental Pokémon, but they may not see the Pokémon's status before trading. A scientist will tell the player what Pokémon their opponent will be using before every battle, but after the player progresses through consecutive battles, the scientist will tell less and less.

{{FB|Factory Head|Thorton}} is the [[Frontier Brain]] for the Battle Factory. He can be challenged after 21 consecutive battles. Thorton is subject to the same rules in the Battle Factory; he must use rental Pokémon as well, and so cannot be known until he is encountered. He could have anything except for the Pokémon that are not admissible in the Battle Frontier. Once defeated, he will give away the silver commemorative print. Thorton can be challenged again after 49 consecutive battles, and will give away the gold commemorative print when defeated.

====Staff information====
The Battle Factory scientist staff member will hint about the next Pokémon or move the player will face. But after the player progresses through rounds, the scientist will hint less information than last round. Use the data to decide which Pokémon the player rents, and form a strategy based around it.

=====Single Battle=====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{factory color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{factory color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{factory color}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{factory color dark}}|Round}}
! style="background: #{{factory color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color|{{factory color dark}}|Information}}
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 1
| align=center | Name of all 3 Pokémon
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 2
| align=center | Name of 2 of the 3 Pokémon
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 3
| align=center | Name of the lead Pokémon and one of its moves
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 4
| align=center | One of the lead Pokémon's moves
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 5+
| align=center | The most common type of the 3 Pokémon
|}{{-}}

=====Double Battle=====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{factory color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{factory color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{factory color}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{factory color dark}}|Round}}
! style="background: #{{factory color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color|{{factory color dark}}|Information}}
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 1
| align=center | Name of all 3 Pokémon
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 2
| align=center | Name of 2 of the 3 Pokémon
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 3
| align=center | Name of the 2 lead Pokémon and one of their moves
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 4
| align=center | One of the 2 lead Pokémon's moves
|- style="background: #{{factory color light}}"
| align=center | 5+
| align=center | The most common type of the 3 Pokémon
|}{{-}}

====Gallery====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{factory color}}; {{roundy}};" width="250px"
|- align="center"
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Factory Exterior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Factory Interior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:VS Thorton.png|200px]]
|- align="center"
| Outside the Battle Factory
| Inside the Battle Factory
| Before battle in the Battle Factory
|}
{{-}}

===Battle Arcade===
{{Facility infobox
|name=Arcade
|jname=バトルルーレット
|jtrans=Battle Roulette
|image=Battle Roulette.jpg
|color=arcade
|slogon=Where Events Sway Outcomes
|bpr=7
|partsing=3
|partdoub=3
|BP=Few
|brain=Arcade Star Dahlia
|brainvs=VSDahlia
|silver=21
|gold=49
}}
The '''Battle Arcade''' (Japanese: '''バトルルーレット''' ''Battle Roulette'') is a new facility located in the southeastern corner of the Battle Frontier. The building itself looks like a large tent, with articular domes, much like {{wp|Saint Basil's Cathedral}}. Inside the Arcade, it is dark with strange patterns on the walls and floors like a tent. In the stadium room, there is a large screen called the ''Game Board'' that most of the game is displayed on.

The player battles seven Trainers consecutively in a knock-out, much like all other facilities in the Battle Frontier. Before entering, Trainers will choose three Pokémon to battle, having their [[level]] reduced to 50. Prior to battles, all items equipped on the Pokémon used are removed. Battles in the Battle Arcade are 3 vs 3. Upon entering, the player's Pokémon will be seen on the Game Board. The foe's Pokémon will also be seen when they enter the field.

Before a battle begins, the player must play the game board to determine the condition of the battle. The game board is a massive roulette machine that will scroll quickly through a grid of small boxes, known as ''Events''. Landing on a dark purple box affects the player while landing on a red box affects the foe. Gray boxes, on the other hand, affect both foes. Each event will have a different effect; some may lower the opponent's HP, poison the opponent's Pokémon, or speed up the game board. The choice may affect the player's Pokémon, the opponent's, or even the field. The board may land on status ailments, weather changes, level changes, berries and more. It may even land on nothing. The status ailments appear to be based on moves with certain types. This means that {{type2|Steel}} Pokémon are immune to poisoning. Every battle is called a ''game''; for example, the first battle is known as ''Game No. 1''. After winning a battle, the player's Pokémon will be healed completely, and the player will have the option to continue, rest, retire, or get their most recent battle recorded on their [[Vs. Recorder]].

{{FB|Arcade Star|Dahlia}} is the [[Frontier Brain]] for the Battle Arcade. She can be challenged after 21 consecutive battles. The Pokémon that Dahlia uses in her first match share common type weaknesses—{{t|Poison}}, {{t|Flying}}, and {{t|Ghost}}. Once defeated, she will give away the silver commemorative print. Dahlia can be challenged again after 49 consecutive battles, and will give away the gold commemorative print when defeated.

====Roulette events====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{arcade color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{arcade color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{arcade color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Event
! style="background: #{{arcade color light}};" | Target
! style="background: #{{arcade color light}};" | Effect
! style="background: #{{arcade color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Duration
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Lowers foes' HP
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | Lowers Pokémon's HP by 20%
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Poisons foes
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | Poisons Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Paralyzes foes
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | Paralyzes Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Burns foes
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | Burns Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Puts foe to sleep
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | Puts one Pokémon to sleep
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Freezes foe
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | Freezes one Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Foes get berries
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | All Pokémon gain a berry
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Foes get items
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | All Pokémon gain a held item
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{red color light}}"
| align=center | Foes level up
| align=center | Foe
| align=center | All Pokémon gain 3 levels
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Lowers allies' HP
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | Lowers Pokémon's HP by 20%
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Poisons allies
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | Poisons Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Paralyzes allies
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | Paralyzes Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Burns allies
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | Burns Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Puts ally to sleep
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | Puts one Pokémon to sleep
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Freezes ally
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | Freezes one Pokémon
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Allies get berries
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | All Pokémon gain a berry
| align=center | Remainder of the round
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Allies get items
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | All Pokémon gain a held item
| align=center | Remainder of the round
|- style="background: #{{blue color light}}"
| align=center | Allies level up
| align=center | Ally
| align=center | All Pokémon gain 3 levels
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Sunny
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle in Sunny weather
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Rain
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle in Rainy weather
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Sandstorm
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle in Sandstorm weather
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Hail
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle in Hail weather
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Fog
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle in thick fog
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Trick Room
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle in Trick Room conditions
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Pokémon swap
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle after swapping all Pokémon with foe
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Speed Up
| align=center | -
| align=center | Increase the speed of subsequent roulette flashes by 1
| align=center | Remainder of the round
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Speed Down
| align=center | -
| align=center | Decrease the speed of subsequent roulette flashes by 1
| align=center | Remainder of the round
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Random
| align=center | -
| align=center | Makes subsequent roulette flashes non-sequential
| align=center | Next roulette game
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Get 1BP
| align=center | -
| align=center | Get 1BP and battle with no other event
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | No battle
| align=center | -
| align=center | Move onto the next Trainer without battling
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | No Event
| align=center | -
| align=center | Battle with no event
| align=center | 1 battle
|- style="background: #{{silver color light}}"
| align=center | Get 3BP
| align=center | -
| align=center | Get 3BP and battle with no other event
| align=center | 1 battle
|}
{{-}}

====Nullify events====
Some events that include poisoning, paralyzing, freezing, and burning Pokémon can be negated by certain abilities and types. The status ailments appear to be based on moves with certain types; {{type2|Steel}} Pokémon are immune to poisoning and {{type2|Ground}} Pokémon are immune to paralysis.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{arcade color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{arcade color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{poison color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" width="20%" | {{color2|000|Poison (status ailment)|Poison}}
! style="background: #{{ice color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" width="20%" | {{color2|000|Freeze (status ailment)|Freeze}}
! style="background: #{{fire color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" width="20%" | {{color2|000|Burn (status ailment)|Burn}}
! style="background: #{{status color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" width="20%" | {{color2|000|Sleep (status ailment)|Sleep}}
! style="background: #{{electric color}}; {{roundytop|5px}}" width="20%" | {{color2|000|Paralysis (status ailment)|Paralysis}}
|- style="background: #{{arcade color light}}; {{roundybottom|5px}}"
| align=center | '''{{color2|000|Ability}}''' {{acolor|Immunity|000}} '''{{color2|000|Elemental type|Type}}''' {{tcolor|Steel|000}}, {{tcolor|Poison|000}}
| align=center | '''Ability''' {{acolor|Magma Armor|000}} '''Type''' {{tcolor|Ice|000}}
| align=center | '''Ability''' {{acolor|Water Veil|000}} '''Type''' {{tcolor|Fire|000}}
| align=center | '''Ability''' {{acolor|Insomnia|000}} {{acolor|Vital Spirit|000}} 
| align=center | '''Ability''' {{acolor|Limber|000}} '''Type''' {{tcolor|Ground|000}}
|}
{{-}}

====Gallery====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{arcade color}}; {{roundy}};" width="250px"
|- align="center"
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Arcade Exterior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Arcade Interior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:VS Dahlia.png|200px]]
|- align="center"
| Outside the Battle Arcade
| Inside the Battle Arcade
| Before battle in the Battle Arcade
|}
{{-}}

===Battle Castle===
{{Facility infobox
|name=Castle
|jname=バトルキャッスル
|jtrans=Battle Castle
|image=Battle Castle.png
|color=castle
|slogon=Manage Battles with Castle Points
|bpr=7
|partsing=3
|partdoub=3
|BP=Normal
|brain=Castle Valet Darach
|brainvs=VSDarach
|silver=21
|gold=49
}}
The '''Battle Castle''' (Japanese: '''バトルキャッスル''' ''Battle Castle'') is another new facility located in the southwestern corner of the Battle Frontier. The Battle Castle, as its name suggests, is a huge castle, with elegant furniture on the floor and sparkling jewels on the wall. There is a golden carpet from the entrance to the battle ground. In the stadium itself, [[Caitlin|Lady Caitlin]], the princess of the castle, sits on her throne atop a platform, watching down on battles. Her butler, Darach, directs people to their battle, handing out prizes to people after victory.

In the Battle Castle, players must fight seven opponents in a row. Like in the Battle Arcade, all held items are removed prior to battling. Before entering, Trainers will choose three Pokémon to battle, having their [[level]] reduced to 50. After entering, the player will meet [[Castle Valet Darach]] in the hallway, and he will give 10 Castle Points, or CP, to the player, and will lead them to the battles.

[[File:HGSS Battle Hall.png|thumb|left|The Battle Castle in {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}]]
Castle Points are the currency within the Battle Castle — special things must be done to gain them, but they can be exchanged for certain benefits. Winning allows players to receive Castle Points, which are used in multiple ways. The Castle Points can allow players to heal their Pokémon's HP, PP, both, or buy items for use inside the Battle Castle, such as berries. It can also allow players to see their opponents' Pokémon and even increase or decrease their levels by five. Unlike other facilities in the Battle Frontier, in the Battle Castle, Pokémon will not be healed automatically after a battle.

At first, the player will be limited to what they can do with their CP, but if they save up enough, they can rank up and unlock more abilities, such as increasing the selection of items they can buy for their Pokémon, or increasing the amount of information the player can get on the opponent. After winning a battle, the player will have the option to continue, rest, retire, or get their most recent battle recorded on their [[Vs. Recorder]]. If the player chooses to continue, they will be able to get the chance to exchange CP for advantages. In Multi Battle mode, both players keep their own individual CP and ranks, but can also spend their CP for their teammate's Pokémon's benefit, such as buying an item that their teammate cannot currently afford.

Lady [[Caitlin]] and her [[Castle Valet Darach|valet, Darach]] are the [[Frontier Brain]]s for the Battle Castle. Darach is challenged after 21 consecutive battles. The Pokémon that he uses in his first match are unique. They use powerful attacks that burn and paralyze Pokémon. Once defeated, he will give away the silver commemorative print. He is battled again after 49 consecutive battles, and will give away the gold commemorative print when defeated.

====Receiving CP====
Castle Points or CP is used as currency in the Battle Castle. The player automatically receives 10CP on the first entry of a streak. Winning battles allows players to receive Castle Points, which are used in multiple ways. There are certain conditions the player can try to meet for more CP.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{castle color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{castle color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Condition
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Number of Pokémon that have not fainted
| align=center | No. ×3CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Number of Pokémon with full HP
| align=center | No. ×3CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Number of Pokémon with more than half HP remaining
| align=center | No. ×2CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Number of Pokémon with less than half HP remaining
| align=center | No. ×1CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Number of Pokémon with no status ailments
| align=center | No. ×1CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Under 5 PP used in battle
| align=center | 8CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Under 10 PP used in battle
| align=center | 6CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Under 15 PP used in battle
| align=center | 4CP
|- style="background: #{{gold color light}}"
| align=center | Number of opponent's Pokémon that gained 5 levels
| align=center | No. ×7CP
|}
{{-}}

====Spending CP====
The Castle Points can allow players to heal their Pokémon's HP, PP, both, or buy items for use inside the Battle Castle, such as Berries. It can also allow players to see their opponents' Pokémon and even increase or decrease their levels by five. This can only be done by exchanging CP earned in battles, before every battle. CP can also be used to rank up certain actions, so instead of renting the normal eight Berries, the player can increase the rank to level 2 so it is possible to rent 8 kinds of Berries and 12 kinds of items. Some advantages can be ranked up twice to level 3 for more advantages. The player will keep all the CP and upgrades accumulated if all the Trainers are beaten successfully; however, if a match is lost or abandoned, the upgrades and CP will be lost as well, and the player must restart with the base 10 CP.

=====Advantage=====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{castle color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{castle color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Action
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}" | Rank
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | CP used
|- style="background: #{{water color light}}"
| align=center | Examine/identify
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 1CP
|- style="background: #{{water color light}}"
| align=center | +5 LV
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 1CP
|- style="background: #{{water color light}}"
| align=center | -5 LV
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 15CP
|- style="background: #{{water color light}}"
| align=center | Strength/Stats
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 2CP
|- style="background: #{{water color light}}"
| align=center | Move
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{grass color light}}"
| align=center | HP Recovery
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{grass color light}}"
| align=center | PP Recovery
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 8CP
|- style="background: #{{grass color light}}"
| align=center | Full Recovery
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 12CP
|- style="background: #{{poison color light}}"
| align=center | Pass
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 50CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Cheri Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 2CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Chesto Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 2CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Pecha Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 2CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Rawst Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 2CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Aspear Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 2CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Persim Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 2CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Lum Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Sitrus Berry}}
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|King's Rock}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Quick Claw}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 15CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Power Herb}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Shell Bell}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 15CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|In-battle effect item#Metronome|Metronome}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Light Clay}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Grip Claw}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Big Root}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Toxic Orb}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Flame Orb}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Light Ball}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 15CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Thick Club}}
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 15CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|White Herb}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Focus Band}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 15CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Focus Sash}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 10CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Leftovers}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|BrightPowder}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Scope Lens}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Wide Lens}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Zoom Lens}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Choice Band}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Choice Specs}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Choice Scarf}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Muscle Band}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Wise Glasses}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Expert Belt}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Life Orb}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 20CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Liechi Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Ganlon Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Salac Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Petaya Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Apicot Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Lansat Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Starf Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Occa Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Passho Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Wacan Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Rindo Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Yache Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Chople Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Kebia Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Shuca Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Coba Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Payapa Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Tanga Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Charti Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Kasib Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Haban Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Colbur Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Babiri Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Chilan Berry}}
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 5CP
|}
{{-}}

=====Ranking up=====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{castle color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{castle color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Kind
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}" | Rank
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}" | CP used
! style="background: #{{castle color light}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Effect
|- style="background: #{{grass color light}}"
| rowspan="3" width="64px" style="background:#{{grass color}};" | Recovery
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | -
| align=center | Restore one Pokémon's HP
|- style="background: #{{grass color}}"
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 100CP
| align=center | Restore one Pokémon's PP
|- style="background: #{{grass color dark}}"
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 100CP
| align=center | Restore one Pokémon's HP and PP
|- style="background: #{{fire color light}}"
| rowspan="3" width="64px" style="background:#{{fire color}};" | Item
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | -
| align=center | Can rent 8 kinds of berries
|- style="background: #{{fire color}}"
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 100CP
| align=center | Can rent 8 kinds of berries and 12 kinds of items
|- style="background: #{{fire color dark}}"
| align=center | Level 3
| align=center | 150CP
| align=center | Can rent 32 kinds of berries and 27 kinds of items
|- style="background: #{{water color light}}"
| rowspan="2" width="64px" style="background:#{{water color}};" | Info
| align=center | Level 1
| align=center | -
| align=center | Can see opponent's Pokémon
|- style="background: #{{water color}}"
| align=center | Level 2
| align=center | 50CP
| align=center | Can see the opponent's moves
|}
{{-}}

====Gallery====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{castle color}}; {{roundy}};" width="250px"
|- align="center"
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Castle Exterior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Castle Interior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:VS Darach.png|200px]]
|- align="center"
| Outside the Battle Castle
| Inside the Battle Castle
| Before battle in the Battle Castle
|}
{{-}}

===Battle Hall===
{{Facility infobox
|name=Hall
|jname=バトルステージ
|jtrans=Battle Stage
|image=Battle Hall.jpg
|color=hall
|slogon=Let Each Pokémon Seek No. 1
|bpr=10
|partsing=1
|partdoub=2
|BP=Few
|brain=Hall Matron Argenta
|brainvs=VSArgenta
|silver=50
|gold=170
}}
The '''Battle Hall''' (Japanese: '''バトルステージ''' ''Battle Stage'') is another facility located in the northwestern corner of the Battle Frontier. The stadium is a huge {{wp|catwalk}}, in where people walk down the catwalk to the battleground, while fans take a number of photos and the spotlights shine all over the place. There is also a red carpet on the floor, all the way from the entrance to the stadium.

The Battle Hall is unique from any other facility in the Battle Frontier, as there are 10 battles per round instead of the usual 7, and only one Pokémon can be used in a single battle, meaning the battles are one-on-one. Before entering the Battle Hall, the player will be asked to select one Pokémon level 30 or higher for entry. If it is a different Pokémon from last time, the attendant will warn the player that they are using a different Pokémon, as Pokémon are used in winning streaks, and if the player uses a different Pokémon, the streak will be lost.

Once the Pokémon is entered, the player will go down the runway and will have to choose from a list of types which [[type]] they want to battle. This lets players control their advantages, as they are about to choose their own type they want to battle. As the only thing known about an opponent is one of the types of their Pokémon, the game may occasionally throw a curveball, such as if a player chooses to use a {{type2|Fighting}} against their {{type2|Dark}} opponent, they may find out that the opponent is using the {{2t|Ghost|Dark}} {{p|Spiritomb}} who is immune to Fighting moves.

As the player wins against each type, that type raises in rank, causing the Pokémon of that type challenged to raise in level, making this the only facility to feature Pokémon above level 50. The opponent's Pokémon can be chosen from any one of the 17 types. Each type begins at Rank 1, and advances to the next rank when the battle is won. The ranks will go up to 10, with Ranks 8-10 having Pokémon of different types.

After winning a battle, the player's Pokémon will be healed completely, and the player will have the option to continue, rest, retire, or get their most recent battle recorded on their [[Vs. Recorder]]. Players must also have ten battles in a row before they are allowed to exit. If doing a Double Battle challenge, the player must enter two of the same species of Pokémon.

{{FB|Hall Matron|Argenta}} is the [[Frontier Brain]] for the Battle Hall. She can be challenged after 50 consecutive battles, which is unique as all other Frontier Brains can be challenged after 21 consecutive battles. Like {{FB|Factory Head|Thorton}}, her Pokémon are completely random, and the player can not choose the type she uses from the list. She could have anything except for the Pokémon that are not admissible in the Battle Frontier. Once defeated, she will give away the silver commemorative print. Argenta can be challenged again after 170 consecutive battles, and will give away the gold commemorative print when defeated. The player must defeat all types at least 10 times before challenging her again and again.

====Gaining fans====
In the Battle Hall, the player will gain fans as their total record or their winning streak increases. If the player is a female, their major fan is Winston, and if the player is a male, their major fan is Serena. They can be found in the Battle Hall lobby in various locations with varying dialog. The player will also get visitors cheering them on in the lobby. If the player's total record is over 500 in {{game|Platinum}}, they will get the professor's assistant. If the record is over 1,000, the player will get [[Johanna]], and over 10,000 will get [[Professor Oak]] or [[Jasmine]]. In {{2v|HeartGold|SoulSilver}}, if the record is over 1,000, the player will get the player's [[mother]], {{ga|Ethan}}, or {{ga|Lyra}}, and over 10,000 will get [[Professor Oak]] or [[Whitney]].

====Raising records====
At the Battle Hall, the staff member next to the monitor will keep track of the player's total record, which is how many successive wins the player has earned with all of their Pokémon. For example, if two different Pokémon have both won 10 times, then the total record is 20. The player earn BP based on the total record.

{| align="center" style="background: #{{hall color dark}}; {{roundy}}; border: 5px solid #{{hall color}}"
|- align="center"
! style="background: #{{hall color}}; {{roundytl|5px}}" | {{color|{{hall color dark}}|Total}}
! style="background: #{{hall color}}; {{roundytr|5px}}" | {{color|{{hall color dark}}|BP received}}
|- style="background: #{{hall color light}}"
| align=center | 10
| align=center | 1BP
|- style="background: #{{hall color light}}"
| align=center | 30
| align=center | 3BP
|- style="background: #{{hall color light}}"
| align=center | 50/100/150/200/250/300/350/400/450
| align=center | 5BP
|- style="background: #{{hall color light}}"
| align=center | 500/600/700/800/900/1000
| align=center | 10BP
|- style="background: #{{hall color light}}"
| align=center | 1200/1400/1600/1800
| align=center | 30BP
|- style="background: #{{hall color light}}"
| align=center | 2000+
| align=center | 50BP
|}
{{-}}

====Gallery====
{| align="center" style="background: #{{hall color}}; {{roundy}};" width="250px"
|- align="center"
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Hall Exterior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:Battle Hall Interior.png|200px]]
| width="33%" | [[File:VS Argenta.png|200px]]
|- align="center"
| Outside the Battle Hall
| Inside the Battle Hall
| Before battle in the Battle Hall
|}
{{-}}

==Other areas of interest==
===Entrance hall===
[[File:Sinnoh Battle Frontier Brain artwork.png|thumb|left|220px|Artwork of the Battle Frontier featuring the Frontier Brains]]
[[File:Battle frontier sinnoh entrance.gif‎|thumb|right|200px|The entrance]]
The entrance hall is the entrance to the Battle Frontier from the [[Fight Area]]. Because the Battle Frontier does not have a [[Pokémon Center]], unlike {{OBP|Battle Frontier|Generation III|Hoenn's}}, it cannot be accessed by {{m|Fly}}, making the entrance hall the only way to get into the Battle Frontier. Upon the first entry into the Battle Frontier, the [[Vs. Recorder]] will be upgraded with a {{DL|Vs. Recorder|Frontier Record}} by the women at the entrance. There are many women that will guide and explain venues of the Battle Frontier.

* The top left woman will explain the Battle Castle
* The top right woman will explain the Battle Arcade
* The middle left woman will explain the Battle Factory
* The middle right woman will explain the Battle Hall
* The bottom left woman will explain about the Battle Frontier itself.
* The bottom right woman will explain the Battle Tower
{{-}}
===Stats judge===
{{main|Stats judge#In Generation IV|Stats judge}}
In the Battle Tower's lobby next to the PC is a man who considers himself a judge of Trainer's Pokémon. He can appraise one of the player's Pokémon by looking at its stats, specifically by checking how high the {{IV}}s are. First he describes the Pokémon's "potential", which is based on the sum of all six IVs. Then he indicates which stat has the highest IV and what range it falls in. If two or more IVs are tied for the highest then he will choose only one of them to comment on. In Sinnoh, he selects which highest stat he'll report randomly. In Johto, he cycles through the stats in the following order: {{stat|HP}}, {{stat|Attack}}, {{stat|Defense}}, {{stat|Speed}}, {{stat|Special Attack}}, {{stat|Special Defense}}. If a different Pokémon is shown, then the cycle will not reset.

{| align="center" style="background: #505050; {{roundy}}; border: 2px solid #6f6f6f"
|- align="center" style="color: #fff"
! style="background: #6f6f6f; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Pokémon's Potential
! style="background: #6f6f6f; {{roundytr|5px}}" | IV Total
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Decent}}
| align=center | 0 to 90
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Above Average}}
| align=center | 91 to 120
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Relatively Superior}}
| align=center | 121 to 150
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Outstanding}}
| align=center | 151 to 186
|}
{{-}}
{| align="center" style="background: #505050; {{roundy}}; border: 2px solid #6f6f6f"
|- align="center" style="color: #fff"
! style="background: #6f6f6f; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Highest IV
! style="background: #6f6f6f; {{roundytr|5px}}" | Range
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Rather Decent}}
| align=center | 0 to 15
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Very Good}}
| align=center | 16 to 25
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Fantastic}}
| align=center | 26 to 30
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color|000|Can't Be Better}}
| align=center | 31
|}
{{-}}

===Exchange Service Corner===
The Exchange Service Corner is located within the center of the Battle Frontier. The player can buy various goods with [[Battle Point]]s won from the facilities. The Battle Frontier's prizes are the same as {{v2|Diamond and Pearl|s}}'s {{si|Battle Tower}}'s prizes. They also use [[Battle Point]]s which are won in the Frontier's various facilities. They can be bought at the stalls at the center of the Frontier. The following items are offered as prizes:

{{shop|Left corner}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|HP Up|1|BP}}|{{shopitem|Protein|1|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Iron|1|BP}}|{{shopitem|Calcium|1|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Zinc|1|BP}}|{{shopitem|Carbos|1|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Rare Candy|48|BP}}|{{shopitem|Power Bracer|16|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Power Belt|16|BP}}|{{shopitem|Power Lens|16|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Power Band|16|BP}}|{{shopitem|Power Anklet|16|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Power Weight|16|BP}}|{{shopitem|Flame Orb|16|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Toxic Orb|16|BP}}|{{shopitem|White Herb|32|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Power Herb|32|BP}}|{{shopitem|BrightPowder|48|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Choice Band|48|BP}}|{{shopitem|Focus Band|48|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Scope Lens|48|BP}}|{{shopitem|Muscle Band|48|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Focus Sash|48|BP}}|{{shopitem|Choice Scarf|48|BP}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|Razor Claw|48|BP}}|{{shopitem|Razor Fang|48|BP}}}}
{{shopfooter|multiple=yes}}
{{shop|Right corner}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM06|32|BP||TM Poison|Toxic}}|{{shopitem|TM45|32|BP||TM Normal|Attract}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM61|32|BP||TM Fire|Will-O-Wisp}}|{{shopitem|TM73|32|BP||TM Electric|Thunder Wave}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM31|40|BP||TM Fighting|Brick Break}}|{{shopitem|TM40|40|BP||TM Flying|Aerial Ace}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM04|48|BP||TM Psychic|Calm Mind}}|{{shopitem|TM08|48|BP||TM Fighting|Bulk Up}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM30|64|BP||TM Ghost|Shadow Ball}}|{{shopitem|TM53|64|BP||TM Grass|Energy Ball}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM81|64|BP||TM Bug|X-Scissor}}|{{shopitem|TM26|80|BP||TM Ground|Earthquake}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM36|80|BP||TM Poison|Sludge Bomb}}|{{shopitem|TM59|80|BP||TM Dragon|Dragon Pulse}}}}
{{shoprow|{{shopitem|TM71|80|BP||TM Rock|Stone Edge}}|{{shopitem|TM89|40|BP|HGSS only|TM Bug|U-turn}}}}
{{shopfooter}}

===Pokémon Scratch-Off Corner===
[[File:Scratchoff.png|thumb|right|Scratching a Pokémon Scratch-Off Card]]
The Pokémon Scratch-Off Corner is located just north of the Exchange Service Corner. Pokémon Scratch-Off is a game that can be played for 1BP. This 1BP purchases three different Scratch-Off Cards, which permits winning up to 3 items. Upon purchase, a selection of 3 cards from four cards: red, blue, green, and yellow. Once done, scratching mode will begin. Using the stylus to scratch off the upper layer, scratching off three Pokémon gets the particular item that matches the Pokémon revealed. As soon as any part of any of the 9 blocks is touched, that block must be selected as one of the three choices. The whole card cannot be scratched off—only three blocks may be selected. If the player gets a Ditto, it acts as a wild-card, transforming into any other Pokémon should the player manage to get two of them. There are a total of three out of twenty-three different berries to be won, and there will always be a {{DL|Valuable item|Nugget}} to be won.

{| align="center" style="background: #505050; {{roundy}}; border: 2px solid #6f6f6f"
|- align="center" style="color: #fff"
! style="background: #6f6f6f; {{roundytl|5px}}" | Prize
! style="background: #6f6f6f; {{roundytr|5px}}" | No. won
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Nugget}}
| align=center | 1
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Qualot Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Tamato Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Wacan Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Chople Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Coba Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Pomeg Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Hondew Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Occa Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Rindo Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Kebia Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Payapa Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Kelpsy Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Grepa Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Passho Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Yache Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Shuca Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Tanga Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Charti Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Colbur Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Kasib Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Babiri Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Haban Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|- style="background: #fff"
| align=center | {{color2|000|Chilan Berry}}
| align=center | 3
|}
{{-}}

==In the manga==

[[File:Darach_Dahlia_Caitlin_Adventures.png|thumb|right|250px|[[Darach]], [[Caitlin]], and [[Dahlia]], a few of the Frontier Brains, and their Pokémon]]
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
In the {{adv|Platinum chapter|eighth chapter}} of the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga, {{adv|Platinum}} is joined by [[Looker]], to help find her former bodyguards [[Paka and Uji]], and rescue them from the [[Distortion World]]. In the meantime, Platinum is challenging the Battle Frontier and the facilities for information about the Distortion World, from the frontier brains themselves.

==Trivia==
[[File:JohtoSinnoh BF.png|right|200px|thumb|The Battle Frontier logo]]
* The Battle Frontier logo is the color code of the venues corresponding to the five battle venues and their position in the Battle Frontier.
** The color code of each of the venues corresponds approximately to the color codes of each of the five [[flavor]]s of [[Berry]] and to the types of [[Pokémon Contest]]s and {{pkmn|Super Contest}}s.
** If the Poké Ball design in the middle is counted, as well, the logo contains the seven colors of [[Apricorn]].
* Due to the pairing of {{FB|Castle Valet|Darach}} and [[Caitlin]], there is an equal number of male and female Frontier Brains. This is the case with Sinnoh's [[Gym Leader]]s as well.
* Several of the Frontier Brains have Pokémon with moves they normally learn at a higher level. This may mean that their Pokémon also decrease in level when they are above level 50.
* All Frontier Brains with a fixed team have at least one legendary Pokémon in their party when they are battled for the gold commemorative print.
* Although Pokémon under level 30 are banned from use by the player at the Battle Hall, opponent Trainers can use Pokémon under this level.
* This Battle Frontier is the first one of its kind to appear in two separate locations in one generation.
** Also, it is the first one to appear in the mainland of one region, in this case, the Johto region.
* {{p|Rotom}}'s forms, {{p|Phione}}, and the [[Spiky-eared Pichu]] are the only non-[[legendary Pokémon]] that aren't allowed in the Frontier.
* The Battle Factory is the only facility to not have a [[PC]], due to the fact that players rent Pokémon instead of using their own.
* The Battle Arcade is the only location in a Generation IV game to have moving animation while the player is saving: the screens that show the player's and their opponent's Pokémon flash, despite everything else pausing during the save.
* In the Battle Castle, there are crosses above the foe's entrance which change depending on the round the player is on. For example, if the player is on round 1, then there is 1 cross.
* In {{game|HeartGold and SoulSilver|s}}, the player cannot [[walking Pokémon|keep his or her Pokémon outside of its Poké Ball]] in the Battle Frontier, despite being an open place. This is likely due to the fact that once the player steps into the opening of a facility, they are automatically drawn deeper inside, and would cause problems with the walking Pokémon.
* In HeartGold and SoulSilver, the [[Pokégear]] will not play any radio channels whatsoever when the player is in any facilities. It is unknown why this happens.
* In HeartGold and SoulSilver, the [[stat Trainers]] all appear in the Battle Tower without any reason; the player character has never met them before. This is possibly to ensure full compatibility with {{game|Platinum}}.
* Trainers that received different overworld sprites in HeartGold and SoulSilver still use their Platinum sprites here.
** Additionally, {{tc|Scientist}}s use their Platinum battle sprite and a {{tc|School Kid}} overworld sprite.
* In HeartGold and SoulSilver, a boy in the Battle Tower mentions that "...similar facilities are available outside of Johto", probably referring to Sinnoh's Battle Frontier.
* Aside from the stat-enhancing vitamins, which each have a price of only 1 BP, all prizes buyable with Battle Points have a price that is divisible by 8.

==In other languages==
''Battle Frontier''
{{langtable|color={{locationcolor/med|road}}|bordercolor={{locationcolor/dark|road}}
|zh_cmn=對戰開拓區 ''Duìzhàn Kaītuòqū''
|fr_ca=Zone de Combat
|fr_eu=Zone de Combat
|de=Kampfzone
|it=Parco Lotta
|ko=배틀프런티어 ''Battle Frontier''
|es_la=Batalla de la Frontera
|es_eu=Frente de Batalla
}}

''Battle Tower''
{{langtable|color={{tower color}}|bordercolor={{tower color dark}}
|zh_cmn=對戰塔 ''Duìzhàn Tǎ''
|fr_ca=Tour de Combat
|fr_eu=Tour de Combat
|de=Duellturm
|it=Torre Lotta
|ko=배틀타워 ''Battle Tower''
|es_la=Torre Batalla
|es_eu=Torre Batalla
}}

''Battle Factory''
{{langtable|color={{factory color}}|bordercolor={{factory color dark}}

|fr_ca=Usine de Combat
|fr_eu=Usine de Combat
|de=Kampffabrik
|it=Azienda Lotta
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''Battle Hall''
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|de=Kampfsaal
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''Battle Castle''
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|fr_ca=Castel de Combat
|fr_eu=Castel de Combat
|de=Kampfpalais
|it=Maniero Lotta
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''Battle Arcade''
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|fr_eu=Arcade de Combat
|de=Kampfarkaden
|it=Arena Lotta
|ko=배틀룰렛 ''Battle Roulette''
|es_la=Ruleta Batalla
|es_eu=Ruleta Batalla
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{{League}}
{{Sinnoh}}
{{Johto}} 
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[[Category:Platinum locations]]
[[Category:HeartGold and SoulSilver locations]]
[[Category:Battle areas]]

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[[fr:Zone de Combat (Génération IV)]]
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Left Cave Path

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'''Left Cave Path''' is a dungeon only accessible in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky]], in the Special Episode, [[Here Comes Team Charm!]]. There are 5 floors in this dungeon, which is the same as it's counterpart [[Right Cave Path]]. After going through [[Boulder Quarry]], this path is one of the two paths you can take. Like it's counterpart, it loops back to the entrance of the two pathways. Though, the left path has a green coloring, but the path to the right has a blue coloring.

==Pokémon Encountered==

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{{mdloc|398|Staraptor|B1F-B3F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|305|Lairon|B1F-B2F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|181|Ampharos|B1F-B3F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|310|Manectric|B3F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|344|Claydol|B3F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|472|Gliscor|B4F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|372|Shelgon|B4F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|291|Ninjask|B4F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc/f|Electric|Since this is a special episode, no Pokémon can be recruited.}}

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[[Category:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky locations]]

User talk:Clarky13

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== Epic music ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otCpCn0l4Wo Don't worry I found it myself]. You can't touch... your page. It's been a pleasure doing business with you. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:22, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:Jerk. Nuff said.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:33, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
::I know you love me really. Also, I had first comment. *pwnsome* Er, what was that about a {{bp|talk page}} policy? *runs* —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:35, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>Grabs Trom by ears* Yeah, that's right, Mr. Admin.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:51, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

== Congrats! ==

Welcome to the club, Clarky. Now you have new toys to play with. Oh, and we like the concept of your help page. Keep working on it. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 00:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
:Wow, congrats Clarky.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 03:16, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
::Owwww, look at those shiny red examination marks, I'm in heaven.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 03:19, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

== I don't get you ==

Why did you revert me and bring back this nosense chaos in [[Viridian Forest]]? That passage is constantly repeating itself and worded TERRIBLY. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 08:07, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:Man, your mean. Your rewording may have cleaned it up a bit, however, you have lost some significant information. So if you want to keep your description can you please add back the missing information.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 09:06, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::I didn't lose anything. Aside from that "Viridian Forest was cut down" crap, which is just false conclusion made by fans. NPCs in GSC still mention "Viridian Forest", meaning that it did exist but not as a standalone dungeon. Aside from that, I just made the passage more smooth and deleted unneccessary repeatings. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:38, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Ah, that's what you meant. I indeed ignored the sentence because it said that "In Generation '''II''', the forest is back with Pokemon similar to Yellow". II, not IV. That's why that sequence made no sense to me. Also, those "similar Pokemon" is just Pidgeotto, in fact. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:50, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::::And Pikachu. Anyway, I hope you've do your ranting and getting all angsty with me.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 09:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Gee, THAT wasn't nice. I'm here just to correct Bulbapedia's error and mistakes (which are a plenty of) and doing some more serious contributions at times. My purpose is not to be an ass to people. I'm doing what this Pedia needs. There's no time to role play an angel or someone who I'm not. It's Bulbapedia, not Bulbatheatre. Mistakes and confusing errors have to be corrected. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:04, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::You realize I'm joking.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 13:44, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

==Route 27 edits==
Sorry to rewrite your edit but at least in my game you cannot fly to Johto from Route 27. [[User:Tyagohexagon|Tyagohexagon]] 20:52, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:Ah, sorry. I mixed Route 27 up for Route 26. Plus, it wasn't my information that I put there, I was just rewriting someone elses edit. BTW, put your comments at the bottom of the page. Thank you.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 13:13, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Because you run the Trainer Class bit...:V ==

I don't feel like I could make all executive decisions for the project, have a look at [[User:PsychicRider/TrainerIntro|this]]. It's nothing big, I think we could have a sort of intro of sorts, with some modding, for the Trainer Classes, because I think they <strike>are totally boring</strike> could stand to use something to detail them more. Also, if you can sometime in the near future, get on AIM to discuss this more...--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 00:46, 19 April 2010 (UTC)
:Oh wow, Psy. That's definitely an approval from me. I was thinking of do a template for the Trainer Class, but this is really amazing.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 13:20, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks Clarky, it did it all by myself <strike>with some help from CP and TTE</strike>. :D...It's not gonna really replace anything, it's just gonna be sort of like an intro basically...But glad you like it and TTE said he's gonna make some mods to it...sometime or something...IDK...But anyways, hopefully it can be added like ASANow or soon....--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 20:10, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
:::May I also suggest that you guys turn the TCspritebox into a template? I can help... maybe... if I have time... shouldn't be hard though. <strike>*commits to stuff he hasn't got time for... again*</strike> —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:00, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
::::What's that Trom? You want to help? Thanks for volunteering. <strike>Jerk</strike> Love you.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 22:05, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

== Crown City ==

How does [[User:Immewnity/Crown City|this]] look?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 15:18, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:Wonderful, but is there any more information on it?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:02, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
::I don't know. I haven't seen the movie. Nor has most people. Maybe move it now and protect it for a week to avoid speculation? The movie airs July 10, btw.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 20:24, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

== A request for assistance ==

Hi there Clarky13. I'd like to ask for your assistance in a small matter. Myself and CuboneKing have been, through the last few months, changing grammar on some articles, changing "based off of" to "based on", "fell off of" to "fell off" and so on. Together we have managed to correct over 200 articles (with permission from TTEchidna), but there is one left. In the "Pokémon World" article there are two instances of "based off of" and as this is a featured article neither myself or CuboneKing have the authority to change it. I was wondering if I could trouble you to help us out and change it for us? I can locate where the two instances are to make it easier for you if you so wish.

Thank you--[[User:Burjojo|Burjojo]] 20:05, 5 June 2010 (UTC)
:Done and done--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:28, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
::You legend! Thanks! --[[User:Burjojo|Burjojo]] 17:17, 6 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I wasn't sure where to ask this and I'm sincerely sorry if this is the wrong spot but I do not have permission to edit the [[Legendary Pokemon]] page, however it needs a very small edit. Before it goes into detail on the various Legendary Pokemon, it says "Of the 649 Pokemon... 37 are legendary" when the 37 should be 47. I was hoping someone with permission to edit that could do so. Thank you very much if you can do so! --[[User:Lunar Cloud|Lunar Cloud]] 07:47, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
::::Done.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 07:58, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

== Pokémon locations on routes, towns etc ==

Hey Clarky, as you're the leader of Project Locations, I'd thought I'd let you know that I made a [[User:Takharii/sandbox#New Pokemon locations (on routes) template)|new Pokémon locations template]], because the [[template:Catchableheader|old]] [[template:Catchentry1|one]] is a bit out-of-date. it uses the [[User:Takharii/pokélisth|same]] [[User:Takharii/pokélistbod|three]] [[User:Takharii/pokélistfoot|parts]] as [[template:itlisth/doc|the item one]]. I hope you like it =D [[User:Takharii|'''たか''']][[User talk:Takharii|'''はり''']][[Special:Contributions/Takharii|'''い''']] 07:28, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
:Its looks great! Address this to TTE. He's the one doing the templates around here.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:47, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

== File edits ==
Sorry if I'm asking the wrong person, so please redirect me if I am, but how can I change an image file. I have the correct version of the shiny Seaking Emerald sprite and I don't know how to change it. --[[User:Foorganders|Foorganders]] 09:44, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:You shouldn't be changing the file name, they're named that way for a reason. Did you try uploading over the file? If you can't, it might be because you're a new user, try making some edits to the Archives. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 10:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::I'm not trying to change the file name, and I couldn't upload over the file. I'll presume that I need to make more edits. Also, for some reason the file is fixed, and it has my name on the file uploader, so I presume you fixed it for me. --[[User:Foorganders|Foorganders]] 13:13, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I just deleted the old one and moved yours to the correct name. Keep making more edits, you should eventually be able to upload over files. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 13:22, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks for that.--[[User:Foorganders|Foorganders]] 18:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== Your wonderful userspace ==

I was going through it to see what I can put on my template, and I noticed a few things that were incorporated, and I deleted those pages. I just wanted to make sure you didn't mind, because I can always restore anything. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 10:33, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, yes. Of course. I would of done, it but I'm very busy with school work.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 05:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== Project Idea==
Hello, i would like to run my idea for a Project past you. The basic idea of it is to document all side quests in the series, and write walkthroughs for them. This includes anything that is not part of the story for any of the games. For example, the abandoned ship in Generation III. Thanks [[User:The doctor9|The doctor9]] 08:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, sounds like something we could develop on. Could you give me a better example?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
::The battle fronteer. Giving a walkthrough on how to beat each fronteer brain, and how to get to the fronteer brains in the first place. Another example could be the Island just off the coast of Sinnoh, only accessable after the elite four have been defeated, or the Sevii islands. [[User:The doctor9|The doctor9]] 00:53, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, Bulbapedia isn't a walkthrough, its a Pokémon encyclopedia, but there is a project dedicated to [[Bulbapedia:Project Walkthroughs|walkthroughs]], which is run by {{u|KCorp4000}}. So talk to him about it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 01:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

==Featured Stub==
The featured stub on the page for project locations is out of date due to the fact that it simply isn't a stub anymore.--[[User:RegiRuler|Regi]][[User talk:RegiRuler|Ruler]] 12:26, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:I'll take it off when there is a Geography section added to it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:09, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
::Can you show me an example of one?--[[User:RegiRuler|Regi]][[User talk:RegiRuler|Ruler]] 22:23, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Here try, [[Mt. Moon|this]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 04:21, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

== Encounter mechanics ==

I saw you added the encounter mechanics to the [[Tall grass]] page. I was wondering if the mechanics are the same for when you surf on water or go fishing. Thanks. [[Typhlosion|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon|★]] [[User_talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]] 01:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:I think surfing is the same, but fishing is different.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:57, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Cities and Towns ==

Should the Pokémon Center and PokéMart be part of the "Places of Interest"? I want to ask this to be clear. --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 00:44, 15 January 2011 (UTC)
:No, Pokémon Centers and PokéMarts are common buildings that are in most towns and cities.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 04:54, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

== About Project Cities and Towns ==

The project is basically dead. Everything is pretty much outdated, especially the to-do list. You're the leader, shouldn't you be managing the project on an almost daily basis? I don't mean to question your authority, but it boggles my brain.--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:36, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
:I've been very busy at the moment. When I get the time I'll update the page. Thankyou.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:14, 17 January 2011 (UTC)

== Orre ==

I asked the same question to MAGNEDETH. Since you're the leader of the projects, I figured I should ask you the same thing, since you might know the reason or can fix the problem. In the box "Regions in the Pokemon World", why is Orre listed under the "Main series"? It should be under "Side games"... --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 17:40, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
:I was going to ask you this question. But, I seem to have already asked you this before. You have not given me your opinion. There's a thread in the Bulbawiki Forum, you can put down your thoughts. Since you're the leader of Project Locations, you should have the final say once and for all. :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:01, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

== We gots us some vandals! ==

Remocari and Vyrdese are spambots/vandals creating spampages {{redlink|Pr Week Uk Jobs|here}} and {{redlink|Psv Driving Jobs|here}} that need to be blocked and the pages deleted. --[[User:Jediknightdtv|JediKnight]][[User talk:Jediknightdtv|DTV]] 18:26, 30 January 2011 (UTC)
:Taken care of. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:02, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

== Names ==

Well, DennouZenshou changed all of "In other languages" to "Names" for all the cities. Do you think the change is proper? Should it be "In other languages" to be consistent with other pages, like the Pokemon...--[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:46, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:No, it should be "In other languages". I'll have a word with him soon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 07:00, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::If we have "In other languages" section, what happens to English and Japanese names? I find it totally pointless to explain their etymologies in a different place. And location articles don't have to be consistent with species articles.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 14:18, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
:::The "In other languages" section for Pokémon only includes German, French, Chinese, Korean and some other languages that isn't Japanese or English. I think "Names" would make more sense since those two languages aren't "others". (Besides the pages of character also use "Names").--'''神智の[[User:神奇超龍|超龍]]'''「[[User talk:神奇超龍|對話]]」 15:43, 1 February 2011 (UTC)
::::I will put it up to a vote [[Bulbapedia talk:Project Cities and Towns#"In other languages" section name change|here]].--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:17, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::Hey Clarky13! I feel like it's unfair to post it under the Project Cities and Towns, because no one really pays attention. Don't you think it'd be easier to create a poll on the forums? I could do it, if you'd like me to. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 04:41, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::Do you object to this change?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:24, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Of course I do! :] --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 00:11, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
::::::::Very well then.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 02:56, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

== Yo yo yiggity yo ==

<strike>Now that I've clearly established what I came here to discuss with you in the subject line, onto the topic at hand. [[Miror B.'s Hideout|This page]] falls under your domain of Locations, as well as my self proclaimed domain of all that is Colosseum and XD. So, this page also has two sections in it, the Pyrite Building and Pyrite Cave. Because of this, there are four sets of trainers that need to be contained in them both. Now I have two sets of them in my {{u|PsychicRider/Sandbox/Colosseum|Sandbox}}, in addition to the two sets that are already there, which are incomplete. However, when I went to add them and they broke the page due to a template overload. D8!. And that was without completing the set that was already there. So should we split the pages in half, as Pyrite Cave and Pyrite Building/Miror B.'s Hideout, or what? Cheers~ --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 00:37, 3 February 2011 (UTC)</strike>
:Nevermind, we got it. D; --[[User:PsychicRider|'''P S Y''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 04:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

== Land Area/Size ==
Hey! I was wondering if I could add a new sub-section to include land area. It is real simple. All you have to do is count the steps horizontally and vertically. This could go next to the demographics section. Do you think it's a good idea? --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 05:24, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:Why would we need that for?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 05:55, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
::Same reason as the demographics. Also, some people claim that Castelia City is the largest city by land area. I think we should calculate it, rather than assume it's the biggest. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
:::I don't think this is an important piece of information. For one, we are looking at the game from a canon point of view, so demographics is an important in-game statistic. Besides I'm pretty sure Castelia City is the largest city by land area, if you don't believe this, count it for yourself.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:17, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

== New English name confirmed ==

Zebstrika (japanese: zeburaika) Don't believe me? It comes from the official website: the last paragraph shows the name- here's the link. [http://www.pokemon.com/us/trading-cards/bw_series/bw1/]. Thanks! {{unsigned|TheTheDragon14}}
:Yes, but why are you telling me this? And please sign your comments.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:49, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

== Sinnoh maps ==

Hi Clarky, 
I've noticed that Bulbapedia's mapping of Sinnoh is at best sort of washed out, and at worst non-existent. I'm able to remedy this, if you'd like it. My group have mapped the entirety of Sinnoh's exterior, and a portion of its interior, and basically we were wondering if you'd want the maps? They're all done to a high quality (and have also been submitted to vgmaps.com), and are from Platinum. They contain the maps as seen in-game, complete with trainers and items, if that's alright? Sadly we don't have any "clean" versions, since to do so would take longer than we wanted to spend. The mapping has been done by myself and (to be fair, mostly) another guy, who has since left, but consented to his stuff going up on here. So do you mind if I replace the current Sinnoh maps with my crop? If you want to see them, they can be found [http://www.vgmaps.com/forums/index.php?topic=1154.0 at this link].

Hope to be of service, [[User:CDRom|CDRom]] 03:15, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
:Hi there, I'm head of the Bulbagarden Archives and I've done some mapping before as well. We would love it if you could upload these maps, so please feel free to do that anytime. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 03:24, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
::Yes, please! This will be fantastic! Thank you very much.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:01, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

== Edit Request ==

Hi Clarky13 I am going throuth the Pokémon Ranger Articles and I wanted add to murph's page that he had a slowpoke (in picture format, like in Spenser's) But I am not too sure on how to do it. And I thought if anyone could do it it was the CharDex Project leader. I thank you or anyone else if they did very much. [[User:Truthseeker4449|Truthseeker4449]] 19:56, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

== Anime Exclusives Locations ==
Each main series region article has an incomplete list of anime exclusive locations. Not many people are trying to complete them so since your project leader, can you encourage people to try to complete them. [[User:ZMT123|ZMT123]] 01:20, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
:I hope I'm not butting in, but I thought it'd be convenient for all of us to communicate here. I think that we need to come up with a way to somehow incorporate the anime-exclusive locations into the "insert-region" article without it stretching the article. For example, take a look at the [[Kanto]] article's anime-exclusive locations section. You can see that it takes up a good chunk of the article. I think we should discuss how to make it look.. cleaner and tidier. You guys get what I'm saying? I think it'd be a cool idea to create a chart and only include the location names and picture of the locations. It's simply a suggestion, do you guys have a better idea? [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 06:01, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
::Hi, kids. I'm on hiatus but I'm going to jump in and help. Now, I'm not one of those big city lawyers, but it seems to me we have a problem called "quantity over quality". You might of heard of it. And I read a very flavourful article by a good friend of mine, which you can read [[User:electAbuzzzz/Quality|right here]]. Wow, look at that, I still remember how to wiki-code. Now, back to business. Why, on the [[Kanto]] page, do we have so many maps of Kanto? Yes, they should be in the article, but, no, they shouldn't be stuck there to the right. Now, if you look at my good friend, the [[Johto]] article. Ah, bliss. Follow my lead, wink, wink. Wow, look how much I'm writing, finally my exams are doing me good. Back on topic. Now, I'm looking at the history of these articles, and it seems you guys have the knowledge to complete the list. And as for the bulkiness problem, I believe it was the picture that was causing the problem in the first place. Get rid of the picture, and maybe the description in the anime-exclusive locations, and badda-boom, problem solved. And don't forget, keep up the good work. --[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 08:05, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

== T ==

?[[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 22:17, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Right Cave Path

2011-12-18T05:37:29Z

Chocos0: /* Merge? */

== Merge? ==

Should this be merged with the Left Cave Path article when/if it's made? Both seem to be almost exactly the same. It's [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig A]]! [[User talk:Turtwig A|My talk]] or [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|wiki edits]] 13:29, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

I agree, though the editors that decide this probably won't see this decision.. XD [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 05:37, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Right Cave Path

2011-12-18T05:10:25Z

Chocos0: /* Intro */

{{incomplete}}
{{DungeonPrevNext|Southern Jungle|Limestone Cavern|3}}
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|size=20 x 20
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'''Right Cave Path''' is a dungeon only accessible in [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky]], in the Special Episode, [[Here Comes Team Charm!]]. There are 5 floors total in the dungeon, and instead of going through Right Cave Path, Team Charm can go through [[Left Cave Path]]. This cave, with its counterpart, leads in a loop, back to its beginning, one of the main problems of [[Boulder Quarry]].

==Pokémon Encountered==
{{mdloc/h|Flying}}
{{mdloc|398|Staraptor|B1F-B3F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|305|Lairon|B1F-B2F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|181|Ampharos|B1F-B3F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|310|Manectric|B3F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|344|Claydol|B3F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|472|Gliscor|B4F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|372|Shelgon|B4F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc|291|Ninjask|B4F-B5F|?|0}}
{{mdloc/f|Electric|Since this is a special episode, no Pokémon can be recruited.}}

{{stub|Location}}
[[Category:Pokémon Mystery Dungeon: Explorers of Sky locations]]

PS428

2011-12-18T04:18:17Z

Chocos0: /* Pokémon debuts */

{{PokémonAdventuresInfobox|
title_en=VS Ledian|
title_ja=VS レディアン |
title_ro=VS. Redian |
image=PS428.png|
chapter=Platinum |
volume=39 |
number=428 |
location=[[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Frontier]] |
prev_round=VS Seedot |
next_round=VS Dragonite |
}}

'''VS. Ledian''' (Japanese: '''VS レディアン''' ''VS. {{tt|Redian|Ledian}}'') is the 428th round of the {{chap|Platinum}} in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga.

== Synopsis ==

The chapter opens with [[Darach]] staring off toward the {{DL|Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Factory}}. Then, [[Caitlin]] finds Darach and strikes up a conversation about {{adv|Platinum}}, who has already defeated [[Dahlia]] and is continuing to challenge [[Thorton]], the leader of the Battle Factory. Caitlin is inspired by Platinum to try Pokemon Battling, when suddenly she starts repeating the word "fight", with her psychic powers, and scares Darach. He then reminds Caitlin it is afternoon tea time, and asks what kind of scones she wants, which calms her down. Darach, walking down a hallway, receives a call from [[Palmer]].

The scene changes to Platinum's battle with Thorton, in the Battle Factory. Thorton compliments Platinum's tactics against his rented {{p|Tyranitar}}, which then continues to Platinum's {{p|Kadabra}}, being damaged by Tyranitar's ability, [[Sandstorm]]. Thorton questions Platinum, asking if she is going to switch her pokémon, which he adds that her pokémon will be hit by the sandstorm anyway. Platinum replies and says she is not going to switch out her pokémon, while Kadabra punches Tyranitar in the stomach, fainting it in the process. Thorton continues making strategies, and chooses to send out {{p|Ledian}}, and Platinum does the same and sends out {{p|Qwilfish}}. It continues to use [[Rollout]], but Thorton switches pokémon again, and an {{p|Ursaring}} appears. He explains that he used [[Agility]] and transferred that speed by using [[Baton Pass]], while Ursaring uses earthquake and knocks out Qwilfish. Thorton sends out Ledian again but is poisoned and becomes knocked out. Kadabra and Ursaring battle through a boxing match. Kadabra drops its spoon and Thorton thinks he's won. Then Palmer and [[Argenta]] appear, saying that the challenger wins. Kadabra was using [[Drain Punch]] the whole time. Thorton throws a tantrum, but Argenta calms him down.

Palmer continues to speak of Platinum's strategy of using Kadabra's ability, of 'pokémon making the machine malfunction' and briefly mentions a machine making pokémon malfunction, coming from [[Stark Mountain]]. He then ends the topic by mentioning he is the Tower Tycoon, and talks about his son, and about he owes a lot to her. The chapter abruptly ends with Argenta asking Platinum to look out the window.

== Major events ==
* Caitlin is revealed to have {{tc|psychic}} powers.
* Platinum defeats Thorton.
=== Debuts ===
==== Pokémon debuts ====
* {{p|Ursaring}} (Thorton's)

== Characters ==
=== Humans ===
* [[Darach]]
* [[Caitlin]]
* {{adv|Platinum}}
* [[Thorton]]
* [[Palmer]]
* [[Argenta]]
====Cameos====

=== Pokémon ===
* {{p|Gallade}} (Caitlin's)
* {{p|Tyranitar}} (Thorton's)
* {{p|Kadabra}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Qwilfish}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Loudred}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Ledian}} (Thorton's)
* {{p|Ursaring}} (Thorton's)
* {{p|Lucario}} ({{OP|Riley|Lucario}})
* {{p|Kadabra}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Seedot}}
* {{p|Grimer}} (Platinum's)

== Trivia ==
==Errors==

{{stub|Manga}}

PS428

2011-12-18T04:17:49Z

Chocos0: /* Pokémon debuts */

{{PokémonAdventuresInfobox|
title_en=VS Ledian|
title_ja=VS レディアン |
title_ro=VS. Redian |
image=PS428.png|
chapter=Platinum |
volume=39 |
number=428 |
location=[[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Frontier]] |
prev_round=VS Seedot |
next_round=VS Dragonite |
}}

'''VS. Ledian''' (Japanese: '''VS レディアン''' ''VS. {{tt|Redian|Ledian}}'') is the 428th round of the {{chap|Platinum}} in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga.

== Synopsis ==

The chapter opens with [[Darach]] staring off toward the {{DL|Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Factory}}. Then, [[Caitlin]] finds Darach and strikes up a conversation about {{adv|Platinum}}, who has already defeated [[Dahlia]] and is continuing to challenge [[Thorton]], the leader of the Battle Factory. Caitlin is inspired by Platinum to try Pokemon Battling, when suddenly she starts repeating the word "fight", with her psychic powers, and scares Darach. He then reminds Caitlin it is afternoon tea time, and asks what kind of scones she wants, which calms her down. Darach, walking down a hallway, receives a call from [[Palmer]].

The scene changes to Platinum's battle with Thorton, in the Battle Factory. Thorton compliments Platinum's tactics against his rented {{p|Tyranitar}}, which then continues to Platinum's {{p|Kadabra}}, being damaged by Tyranitar's ability, [[Sandstorm]]. Thorton questions Platinum, asking if she is going to switch her pokémon, which he adds that her pokémon will be hit by the sandstorm anyway. Platinum replies and says she is not going to switch out her pokémon, while Kadabra punches Tyranitar in the stomach, fainting it in the process. Thorton continues making strategies, and chooses to send out {{p|Ledian}}, and Platinum does the same and sends out {{p|Qwilfish}}. It continues to use [[Rollout]], but Thorton switches pokémon again, and an {{p|Ursaring}} appears. He explains that he used [[Agility]] and transferred that speed by using [[Baton Pass]], while Ursaring uses earthquake and knocks out Qwilfish. Thorton sends out Ledian again but is poisoned and becomes knocked out. Kadabra and Ursaring battle through a boxing match. Kadabra drops its spoon and Thorton thinks he's won. Then Palmer and [[Argenta]] appear, saying that the challenger wins. Kadabra was using [[Drain Punch]] the whole time. Thorton throws a tantrum, but Argenta calms him down.

Palmer continues to speak of Platinum's strategy of using Kadabra's ability, of 'pokémon making the machine malfunction' and briefly mentions a machine making pokémon malfunction, coming from [[Stark Mountain]]. He then ends the topic by mentioning he is the Tower Tycoon, and talks about his son, and about he owes a lot to her. The chapter abruptly ends with Argenta asking Platinum to look out the window.

== Major events ==
* Caitlin is revealed to have {{tc|psychic}} powers.
* Platinum defeats Thorton.
=== Debuts ===
==== Pokémon debuts ====
{{p|Ursaring}} (Thorton's)

== Characters ==
=== Humans ===
* [[Darach]]
* [[Caitlin]]
* {{adv|Platinum}}
* [[Thorton]]
* [[Palmer]]
* [[Argenta]]
====Cameos====

=== Pokémon ===
* {{p|Gallade}} (Caitlin's)
* {{p|Tyranitar}} (Thorton's)
* {{p|Kadabra}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Qwilfish}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Loudred}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Ledian}} (Thorton's)
* {{p|Ursaring}} (Thorton's)
* {{p|Lucario}} ({{OP|Riley|Lucario}})
* {{p|Kadabra}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Seedot}}
* {{p|Grimer}} (Platinum's)

== Trivia ==
==Errors==

{{stub|Manga}}

PS428

2011-12-18T04:16:31Z

Chocos0: /* Synopsis */

{{PokémonAdventuresInfobox|
title_en=VS Ledian|
title_ja=VS レディアン |
title_ro=VS. Redian |
image=PS428.png|
chapter=Platinum |
volume=39 |
number=428 |
location=[[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Frontier]] |
prev_round=VS Seedot |
next_round=VS Dragonite |
}}

'''VS. Ledian''' (Japanese: '''VS レディアン''' ''VS. {{tt|Redian|Ledian}}'') is the 428th round of the {{chap|Platinum}} in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga.

== Synopsis ==

The chapter opens with [[Darach]] staring off toward the {{DL|Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Factory}}. Then, [[Caitlin]] finds Darach and strikes up a conversation about {{adv|Platinum}}, who has already defeated [[Dahlia]] and is continuing to challenge [[Thorton]], the leader of the Battle Factory. Caitlin is inspired by Platinum to try Pokemon Battling, when suddenly she starts repeating the word "fight", with her psychic powers, and scares Darach. He then reminds Caitlin it is afternoon tea time, and asks what kind of scones she wants, which calms her down. Darach, walking down a hallway, receives a call from [[Palmer]].

The scene changes to Platinum's battle with Thorton, in the Battle Factory. Thorton compliments Platinum's tactics against his rented {{p|Tyranitar}}, which then continues to Platinum's {{p|Kadabra}}, being damaged by Tyranitar's ability, [[Sandstorm]]. Thorton questions Platinum, asking if she is going to switch her pokémon, which he adds that her pokémon will be hit by the sandstorm anyway. Platinum replies and says she is not going to switch out her pokémon, while Kadabra punches Tyranitar in the stomach, fainting it in the process. Thorton continues making strategies, and chooses to send out {{p|Ledian}}, and Platinum does the same and sends out {{p|Qwilfish}}. It continues to use [[Rollout]], but Thorton switches pokémon again, and an {{p|Ursaring}} appears. He explains that he used [[Agility]] and transferred that speed by using [[Baton Pass]], while Ursaring uses earthquake and knocks out Qwilfish. Thorton sends out Ledian again but is poisoned and becomes knocked out. Kadabra and Ursaring battle through a boxing match. Kadabra drops its spoon and Thorton thinks he's won. Then Palmer and [[Argenta]] appear, saying that the challenger wins. Kadabra was using [[Drain Punch]] the whole time. Thorton throws a tantrum, but Argenta calms him down.

Palmer continues to speak of Platinum's strategy of using Kadabra's ability, of 'pokémon making the machine malfunction' and briefly mentions a machine making pokémon malfunction, coming from [[Stark Mountain]]. He then ends the topic by mentioning he is the Tower Tycoon, and talks about his son, and about he owes a lot to her. The chapter abruptly ends with Argenta asking Platinum to look out the window.

== Major events ==
* Caitlin is revealed to have {{tc|psychic}} powers.
* Platinum defeats Thorton.
=== Debuts ===
==== Pokémon debuts ====

== Characters ==
=== Humans ===
* [[Darach]]
* [[Caitlin]]
* {{adv|Platinum}}
* [[Thorton]]
* [[Palmer]]
* [[Argenta]]
====Cameos====

=== Pokémon ===
* {{p|Gallade}} (Caitlin's)
* {{p|Tyranitar}} (Thorton's)
* {{p|Kadabra}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Qwilfish}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Loudred}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Ledian}} (Thorton's)
* {{p|Ursaring}} (Thorton's)
* {{p|Lucario}} ({{OP|Riley|Lucario}})
* {{p|Kadabra}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Seedot}}
* {{p|Grimer}} (Platinum's)

== Trivia ==
==Errors==

{{stub|Manga}}

PS430

2011-10-25T03:10:12Z

Chocos0:

{{PokémonAdventuresInfobox|
title_en=VS Rotom (Heat, Wash, Mow, Fan, Frost)|
title_ja=VS ロトム (ヒート・ウオッシュ・カット・スピン・フロスト)|
title_ro=VS. Rotom (Heat, Wash, Cut, Spin, Frost) |
image=PS430.png|
chapter=Platinum |
volume=39 |
number=430 |
location=[[Sinnoh Route 205|Route 205]] |
prev_round=VS Dragonite |
next_round=Unknown|
}}

'''VS. Rotom (Heat, Wash, Mow, Fan, Frost)''' (Japanese: '''VS ロトム (ヒート・ウオッシュ・カット・スピン・フロスト)''' ''VS. Rotom (Heat, Wash {{tt|Cut|Mow}}, {{tt|Spin|Fan}}, Frost)'') is the 430th round of the {{chap|Platinum}} in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga.

== Synopsis ==

== Major events ==
* Diamond and Pearl go to find Rotom.
* Diamond and Pearl recruit Rotom into joining them.
* Marley appears with [[Oak's Letter]].
=== Debuts ===
==== Pokémon debuts ====
== Characters ==
=== Humans ===
* {{adv|Diamond}}
* {{adv|Pearl}}
* Sinnoh Pokémon Association Chairman
* [[Dr. Footstep]]
* [[Professor Rowan]] (flashback)
* [[Marley]]
* [[Paka and Uji]]
* [[Argenta]]
* [[Palmer]]
* [[Darach]]
* [[Caitlin]]
* [[Buck]]
* [[Looker]]
* [[Mira]]
* [[Cheryl]]
* [[Marley]]
* [[Thorton]]
* [[Riley]]
* {{adv|Pearl}} (flashback)

====Cameos====
*{{p|Manaphy}}
*{{p|Shaymin}}
*{{p|Darkrai}}
*{{p|Cresselia}}
*{{p|Heatran}}

=== Pokémon ===
* {{p|Regigigas}} (Gi; Diamond's)
* {{p|Dialga}} (flashback)
* {{p|Palkia}} (flashback)
* {{p|Lickilicky}} (Tung; Diamond's)
* {{p|Chatot}} ([[Chatler]]; Pearl's)
* {{p|Gastly}}
* {{p|Rotom}} (Joins Diamond and Pearl)
* {{p|Diglett}} (Dighiko; Pearl's)
* {{p|Torterra}} ([[Tru]]; Diamond's)
* {{p|Munchlax}} (Lax; Diamond's)
* {{p|Turtwig}} ([[Tru]]; Diamond's) (flashback)
* {{p|Tauros}} (Tauhiko; Pearl's)
* {{p|Arcanine}} (Marley's)
* {{p|Buizel}} (Uji's)
* {{p|Burmy}} (Paka's)
* {{p|Giratina}}

== Trivia ==
==Errors==
* When Diamond and Pearl are being attacked by Frost Rotom, Diamond orders Lax to use {{m|Razor Leaf}}, instead of Tru, who actually uses the move.

{{stub|Manga}}

PS430

2011-10-25T03:08:42Z

Chocos0: /* Cameos */

{{PokémonAdventuresInfobox|
title_en=VS Rotom (Heat, Wash, Mow, Fan, Frost)|
title_ja=VS ロトム (ヒート・ウオッシュ・カット・スピン・フロスト)|
title_ro=VS. Rotom (Heat, Wash, Cut, Spin, Frost) |
image=PS430.png|
chapter=Platinum |
volume=39 |
number=430 |
location=[[Sinnoh Route 205|Route 205]] |
prev_round=VS Dragonite |
next_round=Unknown|
}}

'''VS. Rotom (Heat, Wash, Mow, Fan, Frost)''' (Japanese: '''VS ロトム (ヒート・ウオッシュ・カット・スピン・フロスト)''' ''VS. Rotom (Heat, Wash {{tt|Cut|Mow}}, {{tt|Spin|Fan}}, Frost)'') is the 430th round of the {{chap|Platinum}} in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga.

== Synopsis ==

== Major events ==
* Diamond and Pearl go to find Rotom.
* Diamond and Pearl recruit Rotom into joining them.
* Marley appears with [[Oak's Letter]].
=== Debuts ===
==== Pokémon debuts ====
== Characters ==
=== Humans ===
* {{adv|Diamond}}
* {{adv|Pearl}}
* Sinnoh Pokémon Association Chairman
* [[Dr. Footstep]]
* [[Professor Rowan]] (flashback)
* [[Marley]]
* [[Paka and Uji]]
* [[Argenta]]
* [[Palmer]]
* [[Darach]]
* [[Caitlin]]
* [[Buck]]
* [[Looker]]
* [[Mira]]
* [[Cheryl]]
* [[Marley]]
* [[Thorton]]
* [[Riley]]
* {{adv|Pearl}} (flashback)

====Cameos====
*Manaphy
*Shaymin
*Darkrai
*Cresselia
*Heatran

=== Pokémon ===
* {{p|Regigigas}} (Gi; Diamond's)
* {{p|Dialga}} (flashback)
* {{p|Palkia}} (flashback)
* {{p|Lickilicky}} (Tung; Diamond's)
* {{p|Chatot}} ([[Chatler]]; Pearl's)
* {{p|Gastly}}
* {{p|Rotom}} (Joins Diamond and Pearl)
* {{p|Diglett}} (Dighiko; Pearl's)
* {{p|Torterra}} ([[Tru]]; Diamond's)
* {{p|Munchlax}} (Lax; Diamond's)
* {{p|Turtwig}} ([[Tru]]; Diamond's) (flashback)
* {{p|Tauros}} (Tauhiko; Pearl's)
* {{p|Arcanine}} (Marley's)
* {{p|Buizel}} (Uji's)
* {{p|Burmy}} (Paka's)
* {{p|Giratina}}

== Trivia ==
==Errors==
* When Diamond and Pearl are being attacked by Frost Rotom, Diamond orders Lax to use {{m|Razor Leaf}}, instead of Tru, who actually uses the move.

{{stub|Manga}}

Talk:Battle Frontier (Generation III)

2011-10-24T05:14:23Z

Chocos0: /* Splitting the article */ new section

You do mean "Guts" and not "Cuts", right?

Uh...whoopsie? ^_^;; Fixed now. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

== Anime locations ==

Should the anime locations for the Battle Frontier facilities be included here? [[User:Goldchaos|Goldchaos]] 15:04, 8 December 2005 (CST)

Go ahead, if you wish. (Feel free to make a whole '''In the anime''' section.) - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:07, 12 December 2005 (CST)

== Okay, so now... ==

Since there's the one in Sinnoh...

Should we have Battle Frontier (Kanto) redirect here, or just make the entire anime section the Kanto article? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:09, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
:I personally believe the new one in Sinnoh will be in Johto in the anime, because that is the only region they haven't visited recently, also the games and anime are linked so a visit from the anime, could mean a visit [[GSDS|from the games]]. However if you were to have Battle Frontier (Kanto) re-direct here, im sure some users would say "well what if the new one is in Kanto as well" or "what if the games decide to make a game where Kanto has its own Battle Frontier," meaning you'd need that page for an article. Not my views, Im just saying what I think others will say. So maybe there shouldn't be a redirect from Battle Frontier (Kanto). Thankyou for your time. [[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]] 10:00, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
::-ack, can't resist- Why not Battle Frontier (Gen III) and (Gen IV)? {{SUBST::User:Optimus35/sig/substitute page}}

What are you talking about? There is no article title Battle Frontier (Kanto).

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 04:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
:In the anime, the Hoenn Battle Frontier's location is set in Kanto. - [[User talk:SpontaneousCombusken|s.]][[User:SpontaneousCombusken|'''Combusken''']] 04:55, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

::We can't have a seperate Kanto article. It's the same brains and all... The "Gen III", "Gen IV" idea sounds good... --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|electAbuzzzz]] ([[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|TALK]]) 08:53, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I realize they are the same, but everyone is referring to it as a different article.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 13:34, 26 July 2008 (UTC)
:Well, the Kanto (anime) and Hoenn (game) ones are the same brains and same arenas, but they're vastly different as far as geography. Either way, I've redirected the Kanto one here until which point there's a future game with a Battle Frontier in Kanto or someone decides to split the Hoenn (game) one from the Kanto (anime) one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

== Item sprites ==

Well, we don't seem to have the sprites for the posters and Poké Dolls (if we do I have no idea where they'd be). Additionally, the sprites for the items are off center... and I don't understand why. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:36, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== Brains ==

If you lose to a frontier brain does that mean it is impossible to get the symbol of the brain or do a rematch? [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 01:42, 10 November 2008 (UTC)
:Nah, you just have to fufill the conditions again before you can challenge them a second time. For instance, in the Battle Factory if you lose to Noland the first time, you have to beat ANOTHER 21 trainers to get a second shot at the Knowledge Symbol :P [[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 20:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC) [[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's Mama]]

== Battle Arena ==

In the battle arena, when a Pokemon is on red HP (0%<HP<25%) and then is defeated on a judge's decision, the alarm bell continues ringing when the next pokemon is sent out. This could have something to do with the fact that it isn't really defeated, but I don't know. Could this be put in trivia or something? [[User:Gastly's mama|Gastly's mama]] 21:05, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:Likely a glitch in the programming. In DP, if your Pokémon gets leveled up in a wild battle and its HP is red, the alarm bell comes back. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:01, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== Movesets ==

Don't know if this is the right place to bring this up, but I couldn't think of a better place. Basically, I've noticed that in the Battle Frontier each Pokemon species seems to have a specific moveset.
For example, every Clamperl has Toxic, Dive, Iron Defense and Double Team. I was just wondering if it'd be worth attempting to note down each Pokemon's Battle Frontier movesets on their individual pages, it might be a useful piece of information. [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 12:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Another question I made in the Focus Punch page, but no one answered... In Battle Pyramid there are wild Brelooms that use Focus Punch without charging first... how is that possible? (even though Breloom has not Inner Focus as ability) '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 05:39, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

== Good Trivia? ==
I think the reason the Battle Frontier is in Kanto might be a reference to [[FireRed and LeafGreen]], because they were made beofe Emerald (which introduced the Battle Frontier). Does anyone else think so? --[[User:Mr.lol|Mr.lol]] 01:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, that's why they done it. The anime follows the events of the games, so they just killed 2 birds with 1 stone. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:59, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

== Different pages ==

Should the different facilities have their own pages?--[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]] 23:04, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

==IV tester==
There is an IV tester in a house directly on top of the PM Center in the Battle Frontier. I still don't see any information about him, can anyone add the dialogue of the IV tester? This is a fairly important NPC of the game. I posted similar stuff in the talk page of Battle Tower (Sinnoh). --[[User:Fromia|Fromia]] 17:36, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

== Battle Pyramid Question ==
On the page, it states the different wild pokémon themes from one to twenty. However, I was wondering what would happen if you went through for a twenty-first run. Would it loop back to the beginning, or has no-one simply gotten this far yet? Either way, I think this needs to be noted in the article, even though it is completely optional, as you would have the Gold Symbol by this point. --[[User:Choatix|Choatix]] 18:54, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:It does go back to the beginning, as far as I know. [[User:Ht14|'''''ht''''']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 03:46, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

== Featured Article? ==

Yes, I do think this article is deserving of such. It has tons of info and a lot of great pictures. :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 23:43, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
:Please take that to the featured article discussion subpage: [[Talk:Battle Frontier (Generation III)/Featured article candidate]]. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:18, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
::Oops! Sorry! :--[[User:SuperAipom7|SuperAipom7]] ''([[User talk:SuperAipom7|Questions?]])'' 13:26, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
The article definitely deserves a featured article status. It is just as good and better than Oak's lab.([[User:Pak dragons|Pak dragons]] 08:00, 11 May 2011 (UTC))
::::<s>I'll address you to the [[Talk:Battle Frontier (Generation III)/Featured article candidate|link]] Werdnae already posted, that's where you could add your opinion on the featured status of this article.</s> [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 08:16, 11 May 2011 (UTC)
:::::Scratch that, the voting is closed, so for the moment, you can't give any opinions. [[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]][[User_talk:Masatoshi|''talk'']] 08:22, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

== Palace? ==

I beat 21 matches in the palace and the guy never showed up. Is the information off? Does it have to strictly be in the single battle? I got to 21 fights in double battle... [[User:Nokota|Nokota]] 21:22, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
:Overview section: ''"The Frontier Brain will only appear in 3-vs-3 single battle mode."'' [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 22:10, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

== Splitting the article ==

:Why is no one speaking about this? Well I am just going talk pages at the moment =3, lots of people finished the articles I want to help on already. Well, I would personally split it up. Since it's one article, it can't give all the detail it can possibly have the potential to. For example, if we are talking about one of the facilities, we can't give detailed information if it plays a huge part somewhere. Info about what it does in the game, the anime, and the manga. We can't all give that while it's in one big article. But at the same time, it is being nominated for Featured Article, it has for a while. But my mind rests on splitting the areas, and I'll gladly help build these newly built articles, if existent. [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 05:14, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon the Series/Archive 1

2011-10-24T04:56:29Z

Chocos0: /* Usual Cycle */

I figure those should all have their own pages with a list of episodes on them and descriptions for the movies but I don't have time to do that right now. If you disagree with the formatting, just revert it back to the way it was or change it. -Greengiant

Oh, I agree. Definitely, each season should have its own respective page, along with each movie.

[[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 05:29, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

==Continuity==

Are the shows considered to be what actually happened?? (Please say YES!!)--[[User:Bly1993|Bly1993]] 14:37, 3 January 2006 (CST)

This is more of a list Pokemon themes, rather than about the anime.
:Well it's not like we need to actually explain what anime is. It is kinda assumed that people aren't that stupid as to not know that. And sure, it may be a list of the different themes used during the different series (usually, each Japanese theme corresponds to an English one, while each English one corresponds to a season, and each movie corresponds to each season), but what do you want us to do, put the entire list of the episodes, what happens in them and everything on the page? We link to the separate pages for them all. It's a list of everything in the anime aside from the characters, which are more than easily accessed from the page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:34, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

== 2nd longest ==

Isn't Pokémon the 2nd longest running television show to still air new episodes? (Supased only by the Simpsons, which first aired in 1989) [[User:ShinyPikachu|ShinyPika <3 ALS]] 18:45, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
:Pokémon is the longest running ''anime'' not television show. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 18:48, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Pokemon is nowhere near. "Meet the Press" has been airing weekly since the 40s. {{unsigned|Cadellin}}
:COUGH anime COUGH. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 04:56, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
::Still nowhere near. Sazae-san is the longest anime, with 6429 episodes since 1969. behind that we have Doraemon with 2189, and Nintama with 1483. And all three are STILL GOING. --[[User:Cadellin|Cadellin]] 17:07, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

== No mature topics? ==

Really? The D/P sagas seems to have alot of references to mature topics,and other parts of the series seem rather mature. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 23:47, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

:Such as?--[[User:Starlight the ampharos|Starlight the ampharos]] 23:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

::..Forget it,I can't name any right now correctly 01:38, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Such as [[Paul]] "abusing" {{AP|Chimchar}}, [[J]] trying to kill {{Ash}}, et cetera. '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 23:09, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

== What genre? ==

What age group is Pokemon for? It's shounen, right? [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 01:38, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== CN's time slot==

Apparently CN decided to screw all of us Pokemon watchers to watch the series at 7 EST in the morning, which is clearly out of hand. Personally we need to email the situation about this and why it's not a good idea for Pokemon to be dropped two hours earlier. Honestly, why the change is beyond me. Anyone else a bit ticked off?--[[User:Piplup|Star]] 20:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
:This is for the forums. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 23:54, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
::[http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net Which are right here.] ''Alpha'' [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 23:56, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

:::One could also try the {{u|Maxim}} method involving a certain feature of the official Pokémon site...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 03:37, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

== Does anyone care? ==

Does anyone care about the fact that this should probaly be the biggest page on this site? Is it? I've never cared much for the anime, but this should be the most important page on this wiki. Does it seem like it? [[User:Lunick v sonela|Lunick v sonela]] 22:45, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
:Most ancient page, sure. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:48, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

== Add the 5th DP Opening in the seasons' opening section !!! ==

Hey admins, please add the new opening info in the seasons' opening box. I can't edit it because this page is protected. The Greatest・Everyday! will debut in DP158 on 7th january. --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''niz''']]♪♫ 04:06, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
:I think we can hold off on it until we get some screenshots... but eh. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:47, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

== Can someone add something for me ==

For movie 12, it needs that U.S. air date. Thank you.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 05:30, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:It'll be getting it, since I'm doing a major overhaul, I've gotta make it all perfect. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:47, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

==Add Something==
Admins would you please add Best Wishes to Pokemon anime like the other seasons. [[User:Sondow209|Sondow209]] 19:46, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

== English and International Translations ==

Since there's a section for it in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] article, shouldn't there also be a section for it in this article? [[User:神奇超龍|神奇超龍]] 11:40, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

== A major lack of specific information this page should cover ==

Who produces the anime? -_- In Japan? Who's responsible for it? Stuff of that like? Or if that information belongs elsewhere, '''don't you think it's important?''' [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 19:49, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

== Usual Cycle ==

How long is a usual cycle of a region?
For example...
Kanto region conquering took 2 years to finish the anime series. (Japan's series, anyway). I think Sinnoh took 4 years? Hoenn + Battle frontier is probably 3 years.
Since Ash already has 4 badges in Unova, how long will it take to finish 4 more battles, the fight of a lifetime vs. "Said team villains", and lose to someone in the Pokemon League? By looking at patterns. It's been about 7 months since airing, hasn't it? [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 04:54, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
:Scratch that, 13 months, September 23 or so, 2010.[[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 04:56, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon the Series/Archive 1

2011-10-24T04:54:55Z

Chocos0: /* Usual Cycle */ new section

Talk:Generation V

2011-10-24T04:40:25Z

Chocos0: /* Timescale between generations */

{{forums notice|December 31, 2011}}

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==Any References?==
With the impending release of [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver]] in America, can someone keep an eye out for any in-game references to Gen. V? Much appreciated. [[User:The Jigglypuff Ninja|The Jigglypuff Ninja]] 01:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:I doubt there are any references to Gen V in HGSS. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::And I ''highly'' doubt that NoA would change the script to add such references in. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Any references will probably be in the new Ranger game. Although the Lock Capsule is probably related to something in Generation V.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 01:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It's a Gen IV event item. Likely gonna be for a Gen IV event. Think: what hasn't been released yet? Could be Celebi... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::At the risk of dragging this out too far (this is quickly becoming something that'd fit on the forums), hackers would have found a Celebi Event in the coding, but no one has. Add in that PokeBeach reports that it seems to have similar transfer data as the Manaphy Egg, and it seems like it's supposed to be transferred out of HGSS into a new game... but I digress. We have no proof either way.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 05:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::The question is... how would it be obtained in the first place? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

==Jumping the Gun a bit?==
Are you guys sure we aren't looking into this a bit too far? All we have for clues are that they announced a new game and a new *something*. Not to mention it says it's gonna be new on the DS. What's to be sure of all of that? For all we know, the new game could be MindCrystal, the silhouette could be a new Forme like the last 5 that were announced. The new game could be a wii sequel to Pokemon XD:Gale of Darkness. If we can't even have Pokemon evolved editing pages when they're in the titles of episodes, why can we just up and announce a new generation? I mean, Pokebeach even said the silhouette isn't Z, what makes anyone certain it's Generation V?[[User:SLE_aman|SLE_]][[User:SLE_aman/talk|aman]] 11:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:What does Pokebeach have to do with anything? We know this is Gen V because Masuda SAID it is a new Pokémon. Nothing in this article says that this Pokémon is Z. Because we don't know that. All we know is that it is a new Pokémon. To think otherwise... well, you're in denial big time. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::The original announcement talked about the popularity of Diamond and Pearl before saying this game will be set in a new region with new Pokémon. What more evidence do you need? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, technically, the RPG announcement never explicitly said it would be main series. Even though Generation V Pokémon were hinted, it was never explicitly said that it was the full-fledged generation. It also never explicitly said it would be a pair, either. There are RPGs other than the main series, and they could use a side-series RPG to give Generation V-based cameos to increase anticipation for the full-fledged generation to come at a later date (much like Mystery Dungeon 1 did). Recent announcements pretty much excludes the possibility of it being a Ranger 4, but it's still possible that it could be a Mystery Dungeon 5 or something completely different than anything we've seen before. My [[$1|2¢]]: Odds are the TBA 2010 thing is not for the full-fledged Generation V. Especially if the RPG announcement turns out to be for a single. They've faked us out before, and even if the silhouette does turn out legitimate, it's probably still too early to be thinking full-fledged Generation V. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

::::Actually, I've seen a subb'ed version. Masuda specifically said "We're working on a new generation of pokémon" --[[User:Camzoman]]
::::Yeah. And nowhere in that did it explicitly say that was the TBA 2010 project. They can be working on a new generation of Pokémon, yet still announce and release side games relating mainly to the previous generation. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Camzoman, where exactly did you see this subbed version? I did not hear Masuda mention a "new generation" anywhere in the video - what he said was "we're developing a brand-new work for Pokemon." However, I don't think there's any denying at this point that it is indeed the new generation. The [http://www.corocoro.tv/pokerelease/index.html Corocoro site] doesn't seem to be implying that this is a side game (not that Game Freak makes side games to begin with). It's a new version(s), with a new setting, new Pokemon, new features... sounds like a new generation to me. :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Japanese doesn't have a plural so the "he only said one" argument doesn't hold. [[n:New Pokémon RPG announced|Just look at the information we have]]. It's obviously Generation V. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Anyway, the CoroCoro scans for Zoroark fit the silhouette from Pokémon Sunday.--[[User:Crazylegs24]]

== Why is this page protected? ==
Why is this page protected? --[[User:?????|Any]] [[User talk:?????|Questions]][[User:?????|?????]] 18:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:Think about it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough*Speculation*cough* [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Because someone is 100% likely going to put what they think the new Pokémon is, probably saying it's Mightyena's evolution or something, if it isn't protected. That is speculation, something that isn't allowed here in the mainspace. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It is not a good sign when a question like this needs to be asked.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 22:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::That against us or against the users who'd make crappy speculative edits? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's against users who don't realise why it should be protected...--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::...same thing? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Arguable.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 13:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Would it not be better to make this page "semi-protected" so that only established users can edit? There are plenty of established users who are not administrators, whom I'm sure would want to contribute to such a monumental article. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 09:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:That wouldn't stop speculation from incurring. If you have any confirmed evidence, ask for it here.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Generation V Pokémon Infobox, anyone? ==

I know you'll probably all find this pointless, but I decided to throw together a {{redlink|Template:PokémonInfoboxGenV|temporary infobox}} to use for the Generation V Pokémon articles. It's basically a stripped-down version of the regular infobox that leaves out all the fields for any technical stuff (Egg groups, EXP yield, Gender ratios, etc.) that's unlikely to be revealed until ''Pokémon V'' comes out later this year. I also created a [[User:Quagbert/Z (Pokémon)|user-subpage for the silhouetted mystery Pokémon]] that uses a {{redlink|Template:PokémonInfoboxGenVNoncat|non-categorizing version}} of this template.

''Thanks to {{u|PsychicRider}} for making me aware of the original non-categorizing Pokémon infobox.'' [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 00:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Masamitsu Hidaka==

Should [[Masamitsu Hidaka]] be mentioned since that interview kind of confirmed Generation V? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Unlink ==

Can somebody please unlink "Generation V Pokémon"? It's a redlink right now. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== This just in! ==

Serebii.net just confirmed the first two Fifth Generation Pokémon! Go check it out! :) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 14:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii.net didn't. Leaked scans did. Also, the first one was already revealed. The second one was revealed to be before it in their evolutionary line. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::I think yu're probably going to need to find this information from another source. It seems like the users here have some sort of vendetta against Serebii.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 14:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It is officially confirmed. It was from a different source. It was from scans. You can see bulbanews's draft. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::We don't have any vendetta against Serebii. He just isn't the source in this case - CoroCoro is. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Either way, it's confirmed right? I'd love to update the page, but it's locked. *ahem*
''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]'' [[User:Chosen|-]] 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

[[File:CoroCoro March 1.jpg|thumb]]

Here's the picture! --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 15:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright, these two Pokémon have been offically confirmed by the leaked CoroCoro scans, but apparently it's still considered too early to put up the Bulbapedia articles for them. Is there some additional form of conformation that we're waiting for?

Anyway, I already have {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}} in my userspace ready to be moved to the main space when we're finally allowed to do so. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's probably due to lack of information. I assume that when its ability/abilities and/or base stats are revealed it will be moved. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::IIRC, none of that sort of information (especially base stats) was revealed for the Generation IV Pokémon until the actual release of Diamond/Pearl, or shortly before, though we still had mainspace articles for them anyway. This means it'd be months before we move Zorua/Zoroark into the mainspace. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, according to serebii, they're supposed to be revealed next month. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Related Pokémon ==

On the page, it says that it has noteable links with the Riolu and Poochyena families. If it's definitely pure dark type then just ignore this, but couldn't it be an alternative to the Vulpix family? --[[User:Herachu|Herachu]] 22:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
: I agree. --[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|i herd u liek Treakos?]] 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-]][[User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Hinoarashi]]

== New Pokémon template ==

Based partly on the {{template|DP episode}} template, I've decided to make a [[Template:NewPokémon|new Pokémon template]] to use the next time a new Pokémon is revealed. The code would go like this:
<pre>
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|Jp. Katakana name|Romanized Jp. name|
typen= (number of types) |
type1= (first type) |
type2= (second type) |
pron= (name's pronunciation) |
jspecies= (species in Japanese) |
species= (species, aka "____ Pokémon")
image= (filename of image) |
caption= (caption for said image) |
height-m= (height in meters) |
weight-kg= (weight in kilograms) |
prev= (previous Pokémon's (i.e. pre-evolution) name, Arceus by default) |
prevnum= (previous Pokémon's National Dex #, 493 by default) |
next= (next Pokémon's (i.e. evolved form) name, Bulbasaur by default) |
nextnum= (next Pokémon's National Dex #, 001 by default) |
}}
</pre>
Those who want to use this template for their own userspace should replace "main" in the top line with "user", so that those user sub-pages aren't categorized with the genuine Pokémon articles in the main space. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Take away part in introduction ==

It says that it is unknown whether the new games will be contemporaneous with any of the other games. I beg to differ. Pokemon Sunday officially stated that Zoroark lives in a "New Area". Or is it just saying that it is unknown whether it will be possible to travel to another region? Spenfen
:Contemporaneous means at the same time. Like how RBY and RSE are at the same time, and so is GSC and DPPt. It has nothing to do with location.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 18:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Japanese Gen. 5 page ==
I have a good link to a japanese page on the Generation 5 games here: [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/game/g100215_03.html].--[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 01:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:That's kinda where we got all of our information. Pokémon.co.jp and the Japanese Pokémon variety shows. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

== Interwiki link to Pokéteca ==

Now that there's an article about [[:es:Quinta Generación|Generation V on Pokéteca]], can someone add it the interwiki link to it, please? --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 03:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Two New Generation V Pokémon Scan !!! ==

Hey guys, I got this '''EPIC''' magazine scan featuring two new evolutions of Delibird and Farfetch'd from Generation V and it seems 100% real. {{unsigned|Adyniz}}
:It's not. Notice how I protected the hell out of those names ''before Zoroark and Zorua were revealed''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Does that mean this scan is a fake one? --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 07:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The screenshot is obviously fake if you couldn't tell. That should have given it away easily. So yes, it is fake. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 07:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Lol, man I am dumb.
::::'''Source''': http://www.pokemondarkay.net/{{unsigned|Adyniz}}
:::::Looks pretty real. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 11:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Well it may look real but I've seen things in my days done in Photoshop that looked very real. Can someone translate or is there even any legit source? I don't read Spanish nor Japanese. [[User:.insomniac.|inso]]m[[User_talk:.insomniac.|niac]] 11:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Since it's already been confirmed as fake, please take further discussion regarding the scan to the {{tt|forums|Not the Bulbapedia forum.}}. Thanks, - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 11:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

== [[Nintendo 3DS]] ==

It's very likely that these new games will be on the 3DS, so can someone remove the statement saying that the games ''will'' be released on the regular DS?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 00:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:[[Generation II]] ahoy. The press release said DS. Not 3DS. 3DS comes out NEXT YEAR. These come out THIS YEAR. Nintendo's not ''stupid''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::It could be released before Christmas in Japan so there is the potential for the game to be on 3DS. But that's purely guesswork at the moment and it could still be a DS game even if the 3DS is implemented so we go with the only source on the matter - the original announcement which said it will be on the DS. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 11:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Or, as in Generation II, the games could be programmed with 3DS enhancements, yet still be playable on the DS. Nonetheless, until something official states that they will utilize the 3DS, any mention of it is speculation at best. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Technically, TTEchidna, the page that announced the 3DS stated that it would be released sometime between now and next April, so that doesn't mean next year.
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 23:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== Current Length ==

The days have weird numbers, can an administrator fix them? Thanks. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 21:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:They're automatically calculated by the template... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
::But the games haven't been released yet. I think it's too early to say that Generation V has started. [[User:Fudgenuggets|Fudgenuggets]] 22:16, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:::It hasn't started yet. It starts in 0.8 days according to those numbers. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 03:22, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::::It's because it's calculated weirdly. Once we have a ''date'', we'll put that in, and it'll look right. Until then, DECIMALLLLLLLLLL '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

== Uploaded player sprite ==

[[File:GenV.player.front.png‎]] [[File:GenV.player.side.png‎]]

I got the player sprite and uploaded it to the archives... I guess if someone can find a place for it on the article, well, there it is!

Actually, now that I see them side-by-side, it looks like the front-facing sprite on the left is the male character while the right-facing sprite on the right is the female character. Any ideas? - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 02:01, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:1) This is the article for Gen V in general, not just Black and White.
:2) Do we have the overworld sprites from the past games anywhere? The characters themselves will get articles eventually but we will hopefully have Sugimori artwork released around the time that happens. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 23:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::We do, but... mostly fronts. And those are animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I'm sure there's a home for those sprites... right? :) - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 06:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== About the day count... ==

You should set it to zero, I'm not sure we'll have Pokémon B&W in -0.840277777778 days. --[[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]] 12:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:But we all wish we did... [[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 11:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::You mean you didn't get your game 0.840277777778 days ago? Never mind, I hacked the template to make it say better stuff. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::As long as you didn't break the template on the other four generations. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm fairly certain I didn't. Fixed it through an optional extra parameter. Seeing as the parameter doesn't exist on the other four pages, nothing should have broken. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gen 4 compatability ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this has been confirmed? (The upcoming Flare Blitz Entei and co can do something in gen 5) {{unsigned|Deuxhero}}
:makes sense, but since it's not officially confirmed, {{tt|we can't include it.|That's Bulbapedia's standard.}} [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 12:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::What do you mean, it hasn't been officially confirmed? It's been confirmed that the shiny legendary gerbils unlock something in BW, meaning that they are transferable to aforementioned games. Serebii.net reported on this last month. Oh wait, let me guess- Serebii.net isn't what you consider a reliable source despite only being wrong about stuff they explicitly said they weren't sure about in the first place. We also didn't add all the english names for all the HGSS stuff until it came out and proved him right. When are you guys gonna swallow your pride and admit that Serebii.net is probably the most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::''The most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet?'', {{tt|Hahahaha, I don't think so|I don't want to go off-topic otherwise it will be long debate}}. Anyway, wait for an official announcement before doing/adding anything. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 14:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::If I recall though it was indeed confirmed by an official source that the legendary beasts could unlock something in BW... apparently someone got their hands on the pamphlet that you get for pre-ordering the ticket and it states that the beasts unlock stuff in BW. Not sure if there's a scan of it anywhere though, I would refrain from putting it on the page if it's just his personal speculation again. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::If it is added, be sure not to assume HOW the games are compatible; it's possible they could unlock something through a method other than trading or transferring. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just as a clarification, an official site has yet to specifically state "generation 4 can trade in some way with generation 5". The pamphlet in question can be seen in entirety [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/image/tickets/print/guide.pdf here]. On page 3 there is a small section that talks about Pokemon Black/White and the last sentence of that section mentions that the 3 have a secret. This was taken to mean that the 3 unlock something in B/W obviously because it is mentioned inside the B/W section and therefore probably are able to be traded to Gen 5 in some way. Anyways, that was the logic behind "Gen 4 and 5 compatibility confirmed." Whether that is a good enough reason to be added on here or not, I don't know :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 16:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC))
:::::::There's ''also'' that little issue of them being ON THE DS. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I get the concept of compatability with Gen4 but whats going to happen to the Pokedex when you get aGen5 Pokemon on a Gen4 game?([[User: Munchy Lax]] 20:33,3 June 2010 (EST)
:Well you obviously won't be able to take anything that wasn't in Gen IV back to a gen IV game. If it's a direct trade then it'll be like the time capsule in generation II. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Starters ==

Here's the image from Pokémon Sunday: [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 01:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC) [[File:PokéSun May09 10.png|thumb|right]]

I can guess that the Grass Type is a Bird of Parodise Pokemon, as in the plant 'Bird of Parodise,' and also they had already done Bird based starters for [[Torchic|Fire]] and [[Piplup|Water]], and not yet Grass. If this could be true when revealed, then it will certainly complete the Bird Starters just like the Lizard Starters of [[Treeko|Grass]],[[Charmander|Fire]] and [[Totodile|Water]].
The Fire Type could may as well be a piglet for it's curley tail, and the Water Type could be another Amphibian Pokemon like [[Mudkip]]. These are just guesses, but what do you think? [[User:Cynthia149]] 17:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think that you need to take your speculation to the forums. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 16:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for the heck of it, I have a [[User:Quagbert/No.494 (Pokémon)|draft article for the Grass starter]], which I created using the template I mentioned above. I also have startup code to create the Fire and Water starters' articles using this same template, if anyone's interested:
<pre>
Fire Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Fire
|image=
|art=|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(grass starter)|next=water starter)}}

Water Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Water
|image=
|art=|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(fire starter)|next=Zorua}}
</pre>
[[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

For the curious, from left to right its the Grass-type, the Fire-type, and the Water-type. [http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/12/mystery_pokemon_detailed/ Here]. Still no names or pics other though. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 14:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:There's this great site called Bulbanews that has already reported that information - and with pictures, too! [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 16:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Excuuuuse me for not noticing. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== "Both are canine Pokémon," ==

By which the article presumably means ''vulpine''; canine refers to dogs but Zoroa and Zoroark are/will be fox Pokémon. [[User:Smithers888|Smithers888]] 04:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:Foxes are canine. Ish. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canidae - Canini and Vulpini are separate members of Canidae --[[User:Grinnz|Grinnz]] 18:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::: I had something but might as well just ask. Aren't dogs actually Lupine, if we're going Vulpine for foxes.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

isnt lupine for wolves Iirc ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
: Dogs are in the same family as wolves. Canis Lupus, the dog is only further distinguished by Canis Lupis familiaris. But even still Canine could refer to Canidae which is what Foxes/Dogs/wolves are in. The only difference is Foxes are further classified as "Vulpine" and if we follow suit, dogs/wolves would be Lupine not Canine. And it did say some foxes (while not true foxes) could still be under the Canis Genus if that's where the Canine name comes from. But again while Canine might refer to dogs specifically, isn't that more of a general consensus, rather than a scientific consensus? I'm going scientific here, if people want to be so correct with the whole Vulpine/Canine argument. -[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Who cares, really. That section'll be gone by the end of the year. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Older PCs ==

[http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/12/mystery_pokemon_detailed/ Apparently], artwork shown in Coro Coro comics indicates that the Player characters aren't kids like previous generations, but are a bit older and appear to be young adults. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 14:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== well heres the pics ==

I have a corocoro scan of the player characters.....

[[File:User373931 pic151409 1273683476.png|thumb|right|here they are]]
([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:The scan is from Pokebeach. I think we'd prefer it if it was your own scan. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well, the beach is our buddy, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokémon? ==

I found this online. It has the Pokémon Sunday picture in the corner. Does anybody know if this is the real deal or a scam?
http://nd03.blog.cz/294/620/14fe8a949a_61909769_o2.jpg
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 19:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

bleh...looks fake ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:Old and fake. (btw: the text on the bottom says "the Pokemon that grasps the key to the Ruler of Illusions: Z!") [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Fail. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokémon (CoroCoro scan) ==

Came here to upload the scan, but apparently someone else did but didn't do anything with it. Here it is: [[File:Corocoro7.jpg|right|thumb]]
This info should probably be put into the main article. [[User:Marluxia.Kyoshu|Marluxia.Kyoshu]] 20:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's been used on News. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== More info! ==

*Zorua has the Illusion ability.
*Mijumaru is 0.5m tall and weighs 5.9kg. It also has the Torrent ability.
*Tsutaaja is 0.6m tall and weighs 8.1kg. It also has the Overgrow ability.
*Pokabu is 0.6m tall and weighs 9.9kg. It also has the Blaze ability.
These should be added to the Pokémon articles--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== On the use of unconfirmed information ==

<strike>We seem to have taken a whole bunch of unconfirmed information as fact here, and as it's generally not Bulbapedia policy to do so, it somewhat bothers me.

For the record, here is a list of information, much of which has been added to Bulbapedia, that I have not seen in the CoroCoro pages or any other official source (though if you have official sources with this that I have missed, please, by all means, link me):
*The name "Tsutaaja," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Grass-type
*The name "Pokabu," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Fire-type
*The name "Mijumaru," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Water-type
*"Hiun City"
*Zoroark's ability, "Illusion"
*Those two new attacks whose names I can't be bothered to remember right now (Trickery and Claw Sharpen or something?)
*The method by which to obtain Zoroark
I have seen ''none'' of this come from official sources, only from fansites, blogs, and forums. (Hell, I could have sworn that I saw some of this in a 2ch speculation thread back in March.) The justification to their validity seems to be that the random anonymous person who posted this information on 2ch was right about other information before it was leaked, so he must be right now - but that reasoning hasn't been enough in past cases, has it?

I really wish we had kept the above-mentioned facts off of Bulbapedia until they were confirmed, but here they are. I personally think they should be removed (and the starters' pages moved into TTE's userspace or something) until they are confirmed, but a reasonable compromise, I think, would be to tag all articles that mention this information with an "unconfirmed" tag of some sort (I seem to remember a template for one, though I can't find it now...).

Any thoughts?</strike> [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:They're all from CoroCoro. It's pretty undeniable. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 18:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Scratch that, I found the CoroCoro scans that apparently no one cared to share which confirmed all of this. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Region ==

i would just like to say that, because of the set-up of the page, it looks like one or the regions in Gen. V is Starters. I would fix it myself, but I'm not an Admin. could an admin please change it show it looks like this

<nowiki>
==Regions==
===Isshu===
==Starters==</nowiki>

instead of this

<nowiki>
==Regions==
===Isshu===
===Starters===</nowiki> thank-you [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 19:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:If you take a look at the table of contents, you'll see that "Starter Pokémon" is a lower heading than "Isshu", as it should be, to indicate that those are the Starter Pokémon of Isshu. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:51, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::i guess that's true. the actual part of the article is what made me confused. But looking at the Table of Contents, it is set up correctly.[[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 23:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Never too early to have the article set up like the rest. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==Legendary Pokémon==
I saw two new Pokémon looks like the legendaries at the Pokémon english official site (names+artworks). Their names are Reshiram and Zekrom. I don't know if these informations are useful but... -[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
:Already a page on Bulbanews. Also, since it's breaking news, admins, may not have had time to add it in. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:If anyone's interested, I have userspace draft articles for [[User:Quagbert/Reshiram|Reshiram]] and [[User:Quagbert/Zekrom|Zekrom]]. I just made them as draft articles since I'm not sure if it's appropriate yet to put them in the mainspace, but when it is, any admin is free to move them (or give me the OK to do so). [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 20:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I may as well mention that {{user|Jello}} also has draft articles as well: [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Reshiram (Pokémon)|Reshiram]], [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Zekrom (Pokémon)|Zekrom]] [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 20:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hi, I'm new here, but I just wanted to add a little bit of information about the names, if it hasn't been done already. In Reshiram's name, the shiramu (シラム) comes from [http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E7%99%BD%E3%82%80&stype=0&dtype=0 shiramu (白む)] which means "turning white" or "growing light". In Zekrom's name, the kuromu (クロム) comes from [http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E9%BB%92%E3%82%80&stype=0&dtype=0 kuromu (黒む)] which means "turning black" or "tinged with darkness". They're used especially with regards to the sky, for example, "the sky grows light at dawn" or "the sky is tinged with darkness at night". Hope that helps a little. [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, and just speculating, but the Re- and Ze- could come from rei (レイ) and zero (ゼロ), two pronunciations of rei (零), which obviously means "zero". [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::How come nobody's yet made the articles for Reshiram and Zekrom yet? And yet people who DO create articles at strange names to get around it, they just get deleted. Why not just move them to the proper names? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 01:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::We're not satisfied with them yet. And considering tomorrow's PSunday, we'll probably get more than enough data. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::We need to put informations of the two legendaries fast, my friends are asking more things about them but I just have the basic. '''[[User:Blaze of Shadow|Blaze of Shadow]]
:::::::We can't get more info yet Blaze, tell your friends to wait.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
we dont even know their secondary or primary types, we only know that they are part dragon type, so not even the most basic info we have, the article would be only a picture with nothing else.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 07:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:That is all we knew about Zoroark when he was first revealed. Type and picture. Everything else was blank. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 08:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::He was also the first Gen. V Pokémon revealed, which is why he was such a big deal. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Five Known Pokemon? ==

The article says that five Generation V Pokemon are known, but with the announcement yesterday, seven are known. It even mentions Reshiram and Zekrom in the article. Can an admin make the edit?--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 03:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:And the Zekrom page is exist. Please fix this too. -[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
::Yeah, perhaps semi-protection would be smarter here if the admins can't afford to be on top of this at all times. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 15:46, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:::The template uses the number of pages to find how many are new. After that, you have to purge the content by pressing the clock by your username to make it show seven. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::<s>I see. So the reason it reads five instead of seven is that there are no articles for Zekrom and Reshiram, and the reason there are no articles for them is because they are create-protected. The admins couldn't just create the pages and protect them? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 15:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC</s>
:::::Didn't realize they'd been created. I've purged the content, but it still reads five. Maybe the categories haven't been added to the new legendaries' articles? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 16:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's likely because of your cache, maybe? The generation infobox reads new Pokemon as the amount of articles in [[:Category:Generation V Pokémon]], it doesn't need to be manually updated. We apologize for any inconvenience if we don't have new Pokemon articles up within the day they're revealed- we'd like to make sure that our articles aren't sloppily put together and include all the known info... which can be difficult at times and make us go "Hm, is one line of text and a mostly-unfilled infobox really worth an article?". Not the point, I know, but I'd just like to point that out. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 17:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
No, that's not it at all. I've taken a look at the source code, and it actually reads "Currently, five Generation V Pokémon are known." No template or anything. This needs to be changed. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 19:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:OH! You're talking about the infobox! We've been talking about the specific text in the article, under the "Currently known Pokémon" section. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 20:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

==The Order==

Someone have thinged what is the right order of Zoroa,Zoroark,Reshiram and Zekram? when the numbers be show we need to make the right order. [[User:Blaze of Shadow]] 23:30, 1 June 2010
:Please make more sense.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 05:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::We don't know what numbers they are because we don't know how high the regional dex is going to go. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't think Blaze is talking about specific dex numbers, just general placement, i.e. we can assume that Zekrom and Reshiram will be near the end of the dex, but we can't confirm anything right now. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 14:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==July 2010 New Pokémon==
I just whipped a [[User:Quagbert/Chiraamii (Pokémon)|draft article for Chirāmī]] based on the scans that just leaked out. I only did Chirāmī since that's the only one we have a decent amount of clear info on. Perhaps in the future we may want to take any more new Gen V Pokémon discussion {{tt|over here|Category talk:Generation V Pokémon}} and leave this talk page for other Gen V stuff, though that just my suggestion. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 12:05, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== Hiragana vs. Kanji ==

"''Kanji are now used in game menus and text, in addition to the hiragana and katakana used in the previous four generations.''" >> Not saying that this statement is false but could someone point me to a known instance of the games where kanji is used more prominently? I know that it has been used for some things already since Gen I, like the prices in the Japanese versions using the kanji for yen, but this seems to refer to a greater use of the kanji throughout the dialogues... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 17:45, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:If I recall correctly, Colo/XD also uses kanji... I think PBR and Stadium ''miiight'', but I'm not sure. There's also kanji in the TCG GB games. I might be missing a few...
:However, this is the first time that a main series handheld game has used kanji in dialogue- the only screenshot I can recall seeing it though was the intro with [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/characters/characters02.html Prof Araragi and Chirami]. It's assumed to be a toggle of sorts seeing as there's other dialogue screenshots with just kana. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 17:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
::I was referring specifically to BW, though, but thanks for the info you provided. xD Well, it does really seem to be an optional element, since I didn't notice kanji in any of the footage before, not even that one of Prof. Araragi and Chiramii... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 18:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, according to the new Iwata Asks[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index.html#list] there is going to be both a hiragana mode and a kanji mode. I suggest changing "''Kanji are now used in game menus and text, in addition to the hiragana and katakana used in the previous four generations.''" to something like "''Aside from the usual game menus and text in {{wp|hiragana}} and {{wp|katakana}}, there is now also the option of a {{wp|kanji}} mode. While hiragana and katakana made the Pokémon series accessible to elementary school kids, the optional texts mixed with kanji now also make the games easier to pick up for older teens and adults.''" As opposed to the present version, this makes clear that there is the '''option''' of kanji, and explains the effects of the new kanji mode to those unknown to the Japanese writing system. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 12:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Named after colors ==

Trivia mentions that black and white are colors, technically they're not colors. I think it should be reworded to say that the titles were the first since Generation I (or II, since gold and silver can be colors) to not be named after a gemstone or a mineral. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:Technically, they '''are''' colors. Technically, they are not hues - they are shades. This terminology is used in most artistic endeavors, except lighting, where white and black are the presence or absence of light, but that's neither here nor there. These are colors. However, I agree that silver and gold are also colors, but I think it's pretty clear what was meant in the article. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 14:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon currently known ==

By my latest tally, including the pokemon recently released, their are now about 20 with names and around 3 more that still remain unnamed, should anyone make an edit of this. {{unsigned|InferSizMamoMagne}}
:There are fourteen named Pokémon; these are the ones that are counted. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

i want to add koromori. but it wont let me [[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 19:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:The page name has been protected because we know too little about the subject. You can quit spamming pages now, please. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The Picture ==

I'm just wondering if instead of the logos of Black and White getting put as the picture, I think that someone should just put the Japanese boxart pictures on.-- [[User:lilkaykaygal|lilkaykaygal]] 7:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:The boxart is on the {{game|Black and White|s}} article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== advances in gameplay ==
i need to add that you can play triple battles in pokemon black and white. [[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 19:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:Or someone else could add it when we know more about it. Why do ''you'' need to add it?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:38, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, nevermind, someone already put it in.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, and please fix the triple battles link - it points to ''Double_battle#Triple_battle'' as of now, while the correct would be ''Double_battle#Triple_battle'''s''''' --'''HTMLCODER.exe@bulbapedia$_ [[User:HTMLCODER.exe|/usr]][[Special:Contributions/HTMLCODER.exe|/bin]][[User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe|/apache2]] -k restart''' 11:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Evos ==

I MIGHT have found the final evolutions of the starters, but they are probably fake.

Here they are: File:GenVStarterEvos.png

[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 17:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:They're fake. (and the picture has been deleted on the Archives) <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== NGamer - 157? ==

In the most recent issue of NGamer magazine UK, they said there would be 157 new Pokémon in B/W. I don't know where they could have gotten that possible fact from, but it ought to be looked into, in the event that they are telling the truth. However, NGamer have been known to put rumors down as fact, and I would predict this is false. [[User:Torngentleman2|MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2)]] 18:37, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
: It is a rumor that's been circulating for a while, but there hasn't been any actual evidence I'm yet aware of. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

==season==
since seasons were confirmed to be in gen V could someone add that to this generations changes?[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 20:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colours ==

Wow, this is totally random and pointless, but I wanted to point out that the thing about these being the first games named after colours since G1 is inaccurate. All the games have been based off of colours, however, those colours also tend to be other things (metals and gems, etc.). For example, silver is a colour, gold is a colour, ruby is bright red, as it's counterparts sapphire and emerald to blue and green respectively, and so forth. I just think that it's kinda pointless to put that information int he trivia when it's not exactly true. But feel free to debate with me, I'm open for people trying to change my mind. :D

[[User:Makuta Zero|Makuta Zero]] 06:21, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Advances in Gameplay ==

I think that it should include that seasons will be in the games. --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 15:35, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== Monochrome generation? ==

its not monochrome monochrome is 1 color black and white is already 2 it should be called the shade generation since they already said third would be grey {{Unsigned|Ares5566}}
:I'd like to inform you of a few things
:1. Sign your comments. ALWAYS

:2. "Pokémon Gre(a)y" was never confirmed

:3. Monochrome doesn't mean 1 color. It means shades of 1 color. so Monochrome and Shade are the exact same thing. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 02:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

::Just how Generation III was the Advanced Gen, why isnt this the Rebirth Gen? That is what is really is. They are having fresh new starts. Also, monochrome only applies to three games. Speculation shows that we have high chances of getting an Emerald remake (ranberth at youtbue has evidenece). In 2012, 10 anivesity; they like to remake at that time. Also, im reseaching that we might get more Gen I remakes due to 15th anivesrity. The biggest hint is that every region has included Kanto.Here is my guess...

::*2011-Black and White
::*2012-Grey
::*2012-Emerald remake
::*2013-Gen I remakes
::(they will more spaced out)
::So, with that said, i want to vote on a name! --[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 06:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Monochrome is accurate for now. If there are Hoenn remakes, the name can be changed. It's called what fans have chosen, and for now it's monochrome. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Needs Updated ==

This page is outdated. It needs to get updated with the latest info that has since been confirmed by last month's CoroCoro, and reconfirmed by both Pokemon Sunday & the official Site.
[[User:Shinji-San|Shinji-San]] 01:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)Shinji-San

== The fan name is wrong ==

The page says they call it the "monochrome generation".I am an Art Major at Lord Fairfax Community College,and that name makes no sense.Monochrome "only 1 color".There are 2 versions,and also black and white are not colors.They are refered to as neutrals in art(which is the only side that has an argument in color).Also,black is the abscense of color,and white is the combination of all percieved color.That name is completely inaccurate,and should be removed from the article because it does not really relate. {{unsigned|Slyver333}}
:According to Wikipedia's article on {{wp|Monochrome}}, "For an image, the term monochrome is usually taken to mean the same as black-and-white or, more likely, grayscale..." Therefore monochrome is not incorrect here. Also, if it's here, it probably means it was used on some Japanese fansite--just because it's not "right" in art, doesn't mean it can't be used as a fan term. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 02:24, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
::Plus, black and white ARE colors - they aren't hues, but they are colors. In art terms, they are technically called shades and tints, respectively. Black is a shade of any color, and white is a tint of any color. As long as you're not talking about light, that makes them both colors. (When discussing colors of light, it is acceptable to refer to white as a combination of all frequencies, and black as the absence of all frequencies, but we're not in optics.) I don't know what you're art teachers are telling you, Slyver, but I'd double check your facts before trying to correct people. Different schools of thought use different terminology, and although I've never heard of the terms you use, I know the ones I learned are widely accepted. Long story short, monochrome is an acceptable term for this generation. (Monochrome can also refer to any range of shades, tints, and tones that have a single hue as their base.) [[User:Jazzmoth|ʝɑzzmotɦ]] [[User talk:Jazzmoth|❝❞]][[Special:Contributions/Jazzmoth|✎]] 21:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Number of new pokes. ==

One of the new commericals claimed over 100 new pokes ([http://pokebeach.com/2010/08/black-white-wii-commercials-reveal-many-new-scenes Pokebeach says so anyways]) would be introduced. Should we change the "Pokémon" field in the template to reflect that? Also the info on communications with gen 4 is outdated. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 01:06, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

== Anthing for Trivia? ==

1.I think that with the information we have so far, we should be able to come up with some stuff for the section, at least for when it becomes editable to regular users. I noticed that this is the first Generation to not have a game where you (presumably) can't go to the Kanto region (as in Generation III, there are the Gen. I remakes, Generation IV has HeartGold and SoulSilver, where you can visit Kanto after beating the Elite Four).

2. I was wondering if anyone thinks they may make a Ruby/Sapphire remake, because Gen. III wasn't that much less advanced in terms of graphics and mechanics, so making a remake would be somewhat pointless, as you could just as easily buy the original, and considering they would have to put a lot of work into making a game that would be more or less the same in most ways(you can tell the added material in LG/FR and HG/SS is obviously needed or at least very different).

3. The new Japanese commercials for Black & White reveal another new team (as expected) and what looks like some sort of conversation thing where you get an up close look who you're talking to. Any comments?

Please respond if you would like. --[[User:BeeBwakka|BeeBwakka]] 23:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:# Trivia sections aren't things that need to be filled. No-one should ever be goining around looking at a page and trying to add trivia just because the trivia section is short.
:# Talk pages aren't for general discussion. RS remake talk should be taken to {{bmgf|56930|this thread on the forums}}.
:# Can you get pictures of the commercials? It would help for confirming details. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It's far too early to say that anything won't happen in the next four years. Yes, the chances of revisiting Kanto are less likely this time around but anything could happen in the games after BW, especially with the 3DS (which any RS remakes would be on). --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 01:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I just joined so I'm new to this stuff. --[[User:BeeBwakka|BeeBwakka]] 12:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==

Akinator ([http://www.akinator.com here]), is a website where Akinator (the character) tries to guess any character you're thinking of (by yes-no-maybe questions). It (the site) may be a little too small to be notable (though mijumaru alone has already been tried over 140 times) but it *already* has a question "Is your character from the fifth generation of Pokemon". [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 20:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think it would be trivia, unless it was a big site. If it should be, it should be noted that they misspelled Pokémon. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Oh god, not that thing...damn genie.. I don't think it would be trivia either...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:42, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Generation Length ==

Does anyone mind correcting the generation length? It says "-5 days". --[[User:MCRMY119|-DH]] 21:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Five days until, at that time. Now it says -1, because it's released on Saturday, also known as, you know... tomorrow. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

== All Pokemon Revealed. ==

http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon.shtml[[User:Umitencho|Umitencho]] 19:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii's not an official source. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Gen V framerate ==

Shall we mention it? (For anyone curious: 30 overworld, 60 battles, title screen, 2D menus, 15 opening) [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 15:18, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Do you want a title screen pic like all the generations before it? ==

Just asking. If needed, I'll produce these. [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 13:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:Yeeeahh. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::Feel free to pick the one which's better. (http://s1096.photobucket.com/albums/g329/Jarooda/Bulbapedia%20stuff/) (That's my Photobucket!) [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 12:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, you're Jarooda? Did not know. Um, the first and the fourth are good. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::::What should I name them in Bulbagarden Archives? [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 12:35, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::The second and the third actually have smoother edges, but this your call, Trom. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Did it. What do you guys think? [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 01:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::I guess they do, but I liked the dragons' poses better in the first and fourth :/ —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Useful source? ==

I accidentally came across this website which appears to reveal the trademarked romanji of the 646 'official' Pokémon as of now, as well as some insight on to their name origins. Is this official? --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 09:36, 8 November 2010 (UTC) [http://park3.wakwak.com/~pokepale/zukan/no/1_1_25.htm]
:It's a fan site I think, like it says on the main page "This site is Japanese Pokemon Fan Site.". [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 09:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 09:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== Why some classics arent in the regionnal dex ==

some classics (magicarp, pikachu, geodude, abra, etc.) dont appear in isshu. why?

I think thats because they are far away from kanto/jotho/hoenn/sinnoh. maybe the pokemons of gen5 will be the standards for 3 other gens. {{unsigned|Grhaal0}}
:Game Freak has already stated that the reason old Pokémon aren't included is to give all players a fresh, new experience when playing the games. Your suggestion is speculation, which is rarely allowed and certainly doesn't take precedence over [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Wordofgod word of god]. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
::That brings up the question of "Why did they include old Pokemon at all". Surely a new game, set supposedly in a place half the globe away from previous games wouldn't have all these old Pokemon found in it.--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:::I've already explained to you Mackinz, the real world has some species which live in far away places (see rats, mosquitoes, etc.). I don't mean to offend, but if you're trying to bring up another debate over Isshu's basis/motif, this isn't the place. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 21:27, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Not trying to start a debate. Just can't figure out for the life of me why Paras would be in New York. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 20:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::Guys this disscussion needs to go to the forums. Stop cluttering the talk page. Please and Thank you [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 20:16, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
== New Catchable Pokémon from Old Generations==
You know, a lot of Pokémon in these games, although from previous generations, is the first time they are catchable in the wild (without hacks, of course), like Metagross, Kingdra, Mamoswine, Crobat, etc. Is that worth noting? [[User:TFSpock|TFSpock]] 00:47, 4 December 2010 (UTC)TFSpock

== Wrong Pokémon Count ==
I find this page is within the category page of Generation V Pokémon. I post here, though, since this affects the number of new Pokémon in the summary of Generation V (the one that has the screenshot, main games, region introduced, etc).
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:SLE_aman/fanhax
- [[User:Chaotic iak|Chaotic iak]] 05:26, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:That page was using templates which categorise. I've replaced them with ones that don't categorise or replaced them with the relevant hardcode and removed the categories. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== Live Caster ==

Can anyone explain what it is? It's not in the article. --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee § Bwakka♂]] ''([[User talk:BeeBwakka|meh talk]])'' 02:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:Bulbapedia has [[Live Caster|a separate article for it]]. The basic information about it can be found there. --[[User:RiverAura|River]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|Aura]] 20:36, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

==Alterations from Generation IV==
Shouldn't the removal of Curse be moved from the "Trivia" section to the "Alterations from Gen IV" section? [[User:U2kheim|U2kheim]] 20:12, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:Wait a sec, what? Did you mean, the ???-type? Also, is it neccessary? --[[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 13:33, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
::Yes because it is an official elemental type. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Thematic Motif? ==

When will the thematic motif for this generation be written? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:18, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:Because, I'm assuming they're added after the release of the next generation. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 01:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::They were all added by one user quite recently. It's a new thing; no one's written the Gen V one yet. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

== Timescale between generations ==

i know there isn't an official timescale between BW and HGSS/DPPt (as HGSS/DPPt is 3 years ahead of FRLG and Ruby/Sapphire) but the page states that there must be a significant difference because the Rocket grunt who was seen in HGSS now has a son, however, Cynthia (DPPt) and Looker (Pt) are NPC's in Black and White too and don't appear to have aged much or at all (in comparison to Misty between FRLG and HGSS), so could it be possible that the grunt already had a son who grew up to be a Schoolboy trainer in a timespace of less than 3 years or slightly more? couldn't this mean that the time between HGSS and BW could be shorter than implied on the page? [[User:Azure42|Azure42]] 15:32, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Cynthia and Looker are much older, so they age much less. The older Gym leaders from FRLG didn't change that much in HGSS. Misty was going through puberty, so her aging would be much clearer. Regardless, I believe that that Rocket Grunt said that he met his wife soon after returning home, meaning that his son was not born in HGSS. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:39, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::It's highly likely to be 11 years - GSC was three years after RGB, RGB were released in 1996, with GS exactly three years later. BW were released 11 years after GS, and since RS happens at the same time as RGB and DP happens at the same time as GS, for the remakes' sake. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:04, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes but Caitin is already young in Platinum-HGSS. Maybe she is in her 20s or her early 30s. Yet, in Black and White she still appears to be young (maybe in her late 30s). So an eleven year gap seems to be too big.
::::People can't have a very similar appearance for years. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::You'd be surprised how little some people change over the years. My brother, for instance, has hardly changed in appearance in nearly 15 years. And let's not forget our famous [[Ash Ketchum|in-universe]] example.
:::::In regards to Caitlin, she honestly looks a lot younger than 20 in PtHGSS. Her exact age, however, is debatable. --'''[[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]]''' ''[[User talk:Darkeiya|talk to me!]]'' 10:40, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Mind if I join in the conversation? You said that the Team Rocket grunt met his wife/already having the child during the time of GSC/HGSS/DPPt. A school child would be at least 4 years old, no? So let's say 4 - 5 years? By the way, where is this Rocket Grunt? [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 19:39, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
::::::Before you join in a conversation, it can be worth it to check the timestamp. The last comment was in January. Secondly, I think this discussion is pointless, anyway: we're not going to get at a definite answer by guessing at people's ages. And thirdly, he's in Icirrus City. You can only get to his house in the winter, however. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 20:09, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
:::::::Sorry, I didn't know there was a rule, or not encouraged, to continue an out of date conversation. But okay then. [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 04:40, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

== Kanto ==

why's it say this is the only Generation not to include Kanto? wouldn't something like that be better saved for after this Generation is over?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 23:33, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:Currently it is true. If this changes in the future, so will the trivia. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
::alright--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 07:52, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Running Shoes (Changes from Generation IV) ==

is it worth putting that the running shoes have returned to just pressing B in contrast to in HGSS when it could be automatically be put on using the button on the touch screen? or is it just useless trivia? [[User:Azure42|Azure42]] 17:27, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Debut ==
I noticed on the "Debut" part of the page it says "March 6 2011" - the U.S. release date. As it's under the "En" tag (obviously for "English") and the European release is 4th March 2011, should that be changed to reflect the EU release date? Although the majority of the fandom are American, it is the English premiere, or a third option be added? {{unsigned|Ryu Shoji}}
:It should really be first English, not first US. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::We use US dates for everything else, I don't see why this should be any different even if it is two days before. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 16:17, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Maybe we should add {{tt|*|March 6 in US}}?----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 16:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The thing says English, so we should use the first English date. The only reason US dates are used for everything else is because they are usually first ([[The Legend of Thunder!|but not always]]). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:23, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::The European date is when the English-speaking world begins Generation V. If the date has not been changed already, I will update it (this is the date we're counting down to on the Main Page/when all the info will be out, after all). —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

== Catching Pokemon at a certain time of day ==

Can someone confirm if this has been removed? As it would certainly seem to be. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yes; time of day-based encounter rate differences don't appear in the game data.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 15:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== New standards ==

I find some odd matches for gen I-V. Timburr, Dangoro and Woobat share traits with machop, geodude and zubat.
What if Gen V acts Like a new Gen I, that will provide Gen VI and up with reccuring pokemons (Magicarp, Geodude, Abra, Machop and Pikachu (and probably others) appears in all Generations I to IV) that will be "standards" for the next games?
Gen III seemed like a reboot for fans, maybe they tried then, and now they made it here.Maybe... [[User:Grhaal|Grhaal]] 01:49, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:Some fans have speculated that. We'll see what the future will be like. It'll be interesting. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:40, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia-new system ==

This is the second time (not the first) that a new generation of pokemon didnt start on a new system, while gold and silver had exclusive features when played on the GBC (playing in color), they were still playable on GB and GB pocket (cyrstal was the first game that required the GBC). Just as this duo of games can be played on DS, but when played on DSi or 3DS, these games also have exclusive features (the Xtransceiver only works on DSi and 3DS, but NOT on original DS/DS lite systems)

To say its the first time not to move to the next console at launch is misleading and untrue.
:[[File:Pokemonsilverbox.jpg|thumb|300px]]
:Box clearly says ''Game Boy Colour''. The games just happen to be backwards compatible. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 01:30, 17 February 2011 (UTC0)

the game cart is clearly a GB cart (notice the thumb grip goes in and says "Nintedo GameBoy" not out like a GBC cart) [http://gamesdbase.com/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy_Color/Cart/big/Pokemon-_Gold_Version_-_2000_-_Nintendo.jpg example of GB cart]
[http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fLtECJziqZI/SkqTt2PlFOI/AAAAAAAABmE/Ciwhrs2IL8E/HPIM1556.JPG example of GBC cart]

== Young trainer ==

Its obvious that "young trainer" is the player from D/P/Pt.--[[User:Grhaal|Grhaal]] 12:28, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== Non-Event Trivia ==
Is it worth noting the Generation V introduced the same number of non-event Pokémon as Generation I (150)? --[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 18:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think so. Victini is counted as an event Pokémon. With the unofficial Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect, that makes 156 - 4 = 152 non-event Pokémon. I have a ready list of all Generation V Pokémon for reference, and that indeed appears to be the case... [[User:Haxorus|Haxorus]] 14:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
::I think JDE was considering Zorua and Zoroark event Pokémon. Would it be correct to consider them that? After all, the only ways to get those two are through an event, or from someone else who has through trading or GTS. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

== Lock ==

I believe this page should be locked due to this[http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dengeki_DS_announces_new_Pok%C3%A9mon_game]. Anyone agree?[[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 17:38, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:I think we should wait until people actually start doing editing the page. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 17:54, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
::Han is correct. If something goes wrong, then it will be protected, but for now, there is no reason to worry. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 17:57, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Okay thanks Han and Jello. I wasn't sure, though. When something "Big" like this is 'revealed', a lot of people overreact. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:04, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

==Gym Leaders?==
Is it accurate to say this is the first generation for which there is more than one Gym Leader per town within the same game? (Or something less awkwardly phrased.) I noticed it wasn't in the section so.... Am I forgetting someone? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 22:15, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:Tate and Liza from Hoenn. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 22:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::They fight as a unit, though. It's still the first time you could fight one of two or three Gym Leader units depending on your game or your starter. I'm not sure what the best way to phrase it would be. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 14:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
:::[[Sootopolis Gym]]. Leader depends on version. You could also argue [[Fuchsia Gym]] and [[Viridian Gym]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Given, the user who started this chain mentioned more than one leader within the ''same'' game; Tate and Liza were the first of this kind, I do believe. Cilan, Chili and Cress (discounting Iris and Drayden, because, as I've stated, the parameters for this are ''within the same game'') are not trailblazers. [[User:Sadistic Blaziken|Puppy]] of [[User talk:Sadistic Blaziken|Doom]] and [[Poochyena (Pokémon)|Destruction]] 14:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I'm the same user, I don't know why I brought up the version thing the second time. I was mostly wondering about Cilan, Chili, and Cress, but I didn't think about Tate and Liza. Thank you! [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 14:45, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== All Pure Types ==

Someone can add that trivia:
Generation V is the only generation that introduce all pure types with at least one pokémon
Sorry for my bad english! {{unsigned|Shocker}}
:Sorry, but there is a current ban on trivia at the moment so it can not be added. Also please sign all comments with 4 <nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki>. Thank you! [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 21:15, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Generation V

2011-10-23T19:39:41Z

Chocos0: /* Timescale between generations */

{{forums notice|December 31, 2011}}

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==Any References?==
With the impending release of [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver]] in America, can someone keep an eye out for any in-game references to Gen. V? Much appreciated. [[User:The Jigglypuff Ninja|The Jigglypuff Ninja]] 01:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:I doubt there are any references to Gen V in HGSS. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::And I ''highly'' doubt that NoA would change the script to add such references in. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Any references will probably be in the new Ranger game. Although the Lock Capsule is probably related to something in Generation V.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 01:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It's a Gen IV event item. Likely gonna be for a Gen IV event. Think: what hasn't been released yet? Could be Celebi... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::At the risk of dragging this out too far (this is quickly becoming something that'd fit on the forums), hackers would have found a Celebi Event in the coding, but no one has. Add in that PokeBeach reports that it seems to have similar transfer data as the Manaphy Egg, and it seems like it's supposed to be transferred out of HGSS into a new game... but I digress. We have no proof either way.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 05:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::The question is... how would it be obtained in the first place? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

==Jumping the Gun a bit?==
Are you guys sure we aren't looking into this a bit too far? All we have for clues are that they announced a new game and a new *something*. Not to mention it says it's gonna be new on the DS. What's to be sure of all of that? For all we know, the new game could be MindCrystal, the silhouette could be a new Forme like the last 5 that were announced. The new game could be a wii sequel to Pokemon XD:Gale of Darkness. If we can't even have Pokemon evolved editing pages when they're in the titles of episodes, why can we just up and announce a new generation? I mean, Pokebeach even said the silhouette isn't Z, what makes anyone certain it's Generation V?[[User:SLE_aman|SLE_]][[User:SLE_aman/talk|aman]] 11:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:What does Pokebeach have to do with anything? We know this is Gen V because Masuda SAID it is a new Pokémon. Nothing in this article says that this Pokémon is Z. Because we don't know that. All we know is that it is a new Pokémon. To think otherwise... well, you're in denial big time. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::The original announcement talked about the popularity of Diamond and Pearl before saying this game will be set in a new region with new Pokémon. What more evidence do you need? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, technically, the RPG announcement never explicitly said it would be main series. Even though Generation V Pokémon were hinted, it was never explicitly said that it was the full-fledged generation. It also never explicitly said it would be a pair, either. There are RPGs other than the main series, and they could use a side-series RPG to give Generation V-based cameos to increase anticipation for the full-fledged generation to come at a later date (much like Mystery Dungeon 1 did). Recent announcements pretty much excludes the possibility of it being a Ranger 4, but it's still possible that it could be a Mystery Dungeon 5 or something completely different than anything we've seen before. My [[$1|2¢]]: Odds are the TBA 2010 thing is not for the full-fledged Generation V. Especially if the RPG announcement turns out to be for a single. They've faked us out before, and even if the silhouette does turn out legitimate, it's probably still too early to be thinking full-fledged Generation V. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

::::Actually, I've seen a subb'ed version. Masuda specifically said "We're working on a new generation of pokémon" --[[User:Camzoman]]
::::Yeah. And nowhere in that did it explicitly say that was the TBA 2010 project. They can be working on a new generation of Pokémon, yet still announce and release side games relating mainly to the previous generation. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Camzoman, where exactly did you see this subbed version? I did not hear Masuda mention a "new generation" anywhere in the video - what he said was "we're developing a brand-new work for Pokemon." However, I don't think there's any denying at this point that it is indeed the new generation. The [http://www.corocoro.tv/pokerelease/index.html Corocoro site] doesn't seem to be implying that this is a side game (not that Game Freak makes side games to begin with). It's a new version(s), with a new setting, new Pokemon, new features... sounds like a new generation to me. :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Japanese doesn't have a plural so the "he only said one" argument doesn't hold. [[n:New Pokémon RPG announced|Just look at the information we have]]. It's obviously Generation V. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Anyway, the CoroCoro scans for Zoroark fit the silhouette from Pokémon Sunday.--[[User:Crazylegs24]]

== Why is this page protected? ==
Why is this page protected? --[[User:?????|Any]] [[User talk:?????|Questions]][[User:?????|?????]] 18:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:Think about it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough*Speculation*cough* [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Because someone is 100% likely going to put what they think the new Pokémon is, probably saying it's Mightyena's evolution or something, if it isn't protected. That is speculation, something that isn't allowed here in the mainspace. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It is not a good sign when a question like this needs to be asked.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 22:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::That against us or against the users who'd make crappy speculative edits? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's against users who don't realise why it should be protected...--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::...same thing? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Arguable.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 13:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Would it not be better to make this page "semi-protected" so that only established users can edit? There are plenty of established users who are not administrators, whom I'm sure would want to contribute to such a monumental article. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 09:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:That wouldn't stop speculation from incurring. If you have any confirmed evidence, ask for it here.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Generation V Pokémon Infobox, anyone? ==

I know you'll probably all find this pointless, but I decided to throw together a {{redlink|Template:PokémonInfoboxGenV|temporary infobox}} to use for the Generation V Pokémon articles. It's basically a stripped-down version of the regular infobox that leaves out all the fields for any technical stuff (Egg groups, EXP yield, Gender ratios, etc.) that's unlikely to be revealed until ''Pokémon V'' comes out later this year. I also created a [[User:Quagbert/Z (Pokémon)|user-subpage for the silhouetted mystery Pokémon]] that uses a {{redlink|Template:PokémonInfoboxGenVNoncat|non-categorizing version}} of this template.

''Thanks to {{u|PsychicRider}} for making me aware of the original non-categorizing Pokémon infobox.'' [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 00:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Masamitsu Hidaka==

Should [[Masamitsu Hidaka]] be mentioned since that interview kind of confirmed Generation V? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Unlink ==

Can somebody please unlink "Generation V Pokémon"? It's a redlink right now. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== This just in! ==

Serebii.net just confirmed the first two Fifth Generation Pokémon! Go check it out! :) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 14:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii.net didn't. Leaked scans did. Also, the first one was already revealed. The second one was revealed to be before it in their evolutionary line. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::I think yu're probably going to need to find this information from another source. It seems like the users here have some sort of vendetta against Serebii.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 14:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It is officially confirmed. It was from a different source. It was from scans. You can see bulbanews's draft. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::We don't have any vendetta against Serebii. He just isn't the source in this case - CoroCoro is. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Either way, it's confirmed right? I'd love to update the page, but it's locked. *ahem*
''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]'' [[User:Chosen|-]] 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

[[File:CoroCoro March 1.jpg|thumb]]

Here's the picture! --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 15:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright, these two Pokémon have been offically confirmed by the leaked CoroCoro scans, but apparently it's still considered too early to put up the Bulbapedia articles for them. Is there some additional form of conformation that we're waiting for?

Anyway, I already have {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}} in my userspace ready to be moved to the main space when we're finally allowed to do so. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's probably due to lack of information. I assume that when its ability/abilities and/or base stats are revealed it will be moved. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::IIRC, none of that sort of information (especially base stats) was revealed for the Generation IV Pokémon until the actual release of Diamond/Pearl, or shortly before, though we still had mainspace articles for them anyway. This means it'd be months before we move Zorua/Zoroark into the mainspace. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, according to serebii, they're supposed to be revealed next month. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Related Pokémon ==

On the page, it says that it has noteable links with the Riolu and Poochyena families. If it's definitely pure dark type then just ignore this, but couldn't it be an alternative to the Vulpix family? --[[User:Herachu|Herachu]] 22:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
: I agree. --[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|i herd u liek Treakos?]] 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-]][[User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Hinoarashi]]

== New Pokémon template ==

Based partly on the {{template|DP episode}} template, I've decided to make a [[Template:NewPokémon|new Pokémon template]] to use the next time a new Pokémon is revealed. The code would go like this:
<pre>
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|Jp. Katakana name|Romanized Jp. name|
typen= (number of types) |
type1= (first type) |
type2= (second type) |
pron= (name's pronunciation) |
jspecies= (species in Japanese) |
species= (species, aka "____ Pokémon")
image= (filename of image) |
caption= (caption for said image) |
height-m= (height in meters) |
weight-kg= (weight in kilograms) |
prev= (previous Pokémon's (i.e. pre-evolution) name, Arceus by default) |
prevnum= (previous Pokémon's National Dex #, 493 by default) |
next= (next Pokémon's (i.e. evolved form) name, Bulbasaur by default) |
nextnum= (next Pokémon's National Dex #, 001 by default) |
}}
</pre>
Those who want to use this template for their own userspace should replace "main" in the top line with "user", so that those user sub-pages aren't categorized with the genuine Pokémon articles in the main space. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Take away part in introduction ==

It says that it is unknown whether the new games will be contemporaneous with any of the other games. I beg to differ. Pokemon Sunday officially stated that Zoroark lives in a "New Area". Or is it just saying that it is unknown whether it will be possible to travel to another region? Spenfen
:Contemporaneous means at the same time. Like how RBY and RSE are at the same time, and so is GSC and DPPt. It has nothing to do with location.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 18:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Japanese Gen. 5 page ==
I have a good link to a japanese page on the Generation 5 games here: [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/game/g100215_03.html].--[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 01:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:That's kinda where we got all of our information. Pokémon.co.jp and the Japanese Pokémon variety shows. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

== Interwiki link to Pokéteca ==

Now that there's an article about [[:es:Quinta Generación|Generation V on Pokéteca]], can someone add it the interwiki link to it, please? --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 03:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Two New Generation V Pokémon Scan !!! ==

Hey guys, I got this '''EPIC''' magazine scan featuring two new evolutions of Delibird and Farfetch'd from Generation V and it seems 100% real. {{unsigned|Adyniz}}
:It's not. Notice how I protected the hell out of those names ''before Zoroark and Zorua were revealed''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Does that mean this scan is a fake one? --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 07:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The screenshot is obviously fake if you couldn't tell. That should have given it away easily. So yes, it is fake. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 07:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Lol, man I am dumb.
::::'''Source''': http://www.pokemondarkay.net/{{unsigned|Adyniz}}
:::::Looks pretty real. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 11:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Well it may look real but I've seen things in my days done in Photoshop that looked very real. Can someone translate or is there even any legit source? I don't read Spanish nor Japanese. [[User:.insomniac.|inso]]m[[User_talk:.insomniac.|niac]] 11:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Since it's already been confirmed as fake, please take further discussion regarding the scan to the {{tt|forums|Not the Bulbapedia forum.}}. Thanks, - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 11:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

== [[Nintendo 3DS]] ==

It's very likely that these new games will be on the 3DS, so can someone remove the statement saying that the games ''will'' be released on the regular DS?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 00:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:[[Generation II]] ahoy. The press release said DS. Not 3DS. 3DS comes out NEXT YEAR. These come out THIS YEAR. Nintendo's not ''stupid''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::It could be released before Christmas in Japan so there is the potential for the game to be on 3DS. But that's purely guesswork at the moment and it could still be a DS game even if the 3DS is implemented so we go with the only source on the matter - the original announcement which said it will be on the DS. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 11:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Or, as in Generation II, the games could be programmed with 3DS enhancements, yet still be playable on the DS. Nonetheless, until something official states that they will utilize the 3DS, any mention of it is speculation at best. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Technically, TTEchidna, the page that announced the 3DS stated that it would be released sometime between now and next April, so that doesn't mean next year.
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 23:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== Current Length ==

The days have weird numbers, can an administrator fix them? Thanks. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 21:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:They're automatically calculated by the template... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
::But the games haven't been released yet. I think it's too early to say that Generation V has started. [[User:Fudgenuggets|Fudgenuggets]] 22:16, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:::It hasn't started yet. It starts in 0.8 days according to those numbers. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 03:22, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::::It's because it's calculated weirdly. Once we have a ''date'', we'll put that in, and it'll look right. Until then, DECIMALLLLLLLLLL '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

== Uploaded player sprite ==

[[File:GenV.player.front.png‎]] [[File:GenV.player.side.png‎]]

I got the player sprite and uploaded it to the archives... I guess if someone can find a place for it on the article, well, there it is!

Actually, now that I see them side-by-side, it looks like the front-facing sprite on the left is the male character while the right-facing sprite on the right is the female character. Any ideas? - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 02:01, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:1) This is the article for Gen V in general, not just Black and White.
:2) Do we have the overworld sprites from the past games anywhere? The characters themselves will get articles eventually but we will hopefully have Sugimori artwork released around the time that happens. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 23:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::We do, but... mostly fronts. And those are animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I'm sure there's a home for those sprites... right? :) - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 06:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== About the day count... ==

You should set it to zero, I'm not sure we'll have Pokémon B&W in -0.840277777778 days. --[[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]] 12:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:But we all wish we did... [[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 11:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::You mean you didn't get your game 0.840277777778 days ago? Never mind, I hacked the template to make it say better stuff. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::As long as you didn't break the template on the other four generations. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm fairly certain I didn't. Fixed it through an optional extra parameter. Seeing as the parameter doesn't exist on the other four pages, nothing should have broken. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gen 4 compatability ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this has been confirmed? (The upcoming Flare Blitz Entei and co can do something in gen 5) {{unsigned|Deuxhero}}
:makes sense, but since it's not officially confirmed, {{tt|we can't include it.|That's Bulbapedia's standard.}} [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 12:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::What do you mean, it hasn't been officially confirmed? It's been confirmed that the shiny legendary gerbils unlock something in BW, meaning that they are transferable to aforementioned games. Serebii.net reported on this last month. Oh wait, let me guess- Serebii.net isn't what you consider a reliable source despite only being wrong about stuff they explicitly said they weren't sure about in the first place. We also didn't add all the english names for all the HGSS stuff until it came out and proved him right. When are you guys gonna swallow your pride and admit that Serebii.net is probably the most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::''The most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet?'', {{tt|Hahahaha, I don't think so|I don't want to go off-topic otherwise it will be long debate}}. Anyway, wait for an official announcement before doing/adding anything. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 14:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::If I recall though it was indeed confirmed by an official source that the legendary beasts could unlock something in BW... apparently someone got their hands on the pamphlet that you get for pre-ordering the ticket and it states that the beasts unlock stuff in BW. Not sure if there's a scan of it anywhere though, I would refrain from putting it on the page if it's just his personal speculation again. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::If it is added, be sure not to assume HOW the games are compatible; it's possible they could unlock something through a method other than trading or transferring. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just as a clarification, an official site has yet to specifically state "generation 4 can trade in some way with generation 5". The pamphlet in question can be seen in entirety [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/image/tickets/print/guide.pdf here]. On page 3 there is a small section that talks about Pokemon Black/White and the last sentence of that section mentions that the 3 have a secret. This was taken to mean that the 3 unlock something in B/W obviously because it is mentioned inside the B/W section and therefore probably are able to be traded to Gen 5 in some way. Anyways, that was the logic behind "Gen 4 and 5 compatibility confirmed." Whether that is a good enough reason to be added on here or not, I don't know :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 16:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC))
:::::::There's ''also'' that little issue of them being ON THE DS. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I get the concept of compatability with Gen4 but whats going to happen to the Pokedex when you get aGen5 Pokemon on a Gen4 game?([[User: Munchy Lax]] 20:33,3 June 2010 (EST)
:Well you obviously won't be able to take anything that wasn't in Gen IV back to a gen IV game. If it's a direct trade then it'll be like the time capsule in generation II. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Starters ==

Here's the image from Pokémon Sunday: [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 01:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC) [[File:PokéSun May09 10.png|thumb|right]]

I can guess that the Grass Type is a Bird of Parodise Pokemon, as in the plant 'Bird of Parodise,' and also they had already done Bird based starters for [[Torchic|Fire]] and [[Piplup|Water]], and not yet Grass. If this could be true when revealed, then it will certainly complete the Bird Starters just like the Lizard Starters of [[Treeko|Grass]],[[Charmander|Fire]] and [[Totodile|Water]].
The Fire Type could may as well be a piglet for it's curley tail, and the Water Type could be another Amphibian Pokemon like [[Mudkip]]. These are just guesses, but what do you think? [[User:Cynthia149]] 17:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think that you need to take your speculation to the forums. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 16:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for the heck of it, I have a [[User:Quagbert/No.494 (Pokémon)|draft article for the Grass starter]], which I created using the template I mentioned above. I also have startup code to create the Fire and Water starters' articles using this same template, if anyone's interested:
<pre>
Fire Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Fire
|image=
|art=|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(grass starter)|next=water starter)}}

Water Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Water
|image=
|art=|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(fire starter)|next=Zorua}}
</pre>
[[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

For the curious, from left to right its the Grass-type, the Fire-type, and the Water-type. [http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/12/mystery_pokemon_detailed/ Here]. Still no names or pics other though. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 14:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:There's this great site called Bulbanews that has already reported that information - and with pictures, too! [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 16:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Excuuuuse me for not noticing. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== "Both are canine Pokémon," ==

By which the article presumably means ''vulpine''; canine refers to dogs but Zoroa and Zoroark are/will be fox Pokémon. [[User:Smithers888|Smithers888]] 04:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:Foxes are canine. Ish. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canidae - Canini and Vulpini are separate members of Canidae --[[User:Grinnz|Grinnz]] 18:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::: I had something but might as well just ask. Aren't dogs actually Lupine, if we're going Vulpine for foxes.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

isnt lupine for wolves Iirc ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
: Dogs are in the same family as wolves. Canis Lupus, the dog is only further distinguished by Canis Lupis familiaris. But even still Canine could refer to Canidae which is what Foxes/Dogs/wolves are in. The only difference is Foxes are further classified as "Vulpine" and if we follow suit, dogs/wolves would be Lupine not Canine. And it did say some foxes (while not true foxes) could still be under the Canis Genus if that's where the Canine name comes from. But again while Canine might refer to dogs specifically, isn't that more of a general consensus, rather than a scientific consensus? I'm going scientific here, if people want to be so correct with the whole Vulpine/Canine argument. -[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Who cares, really. That section'll be gone by the end of the year. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Older PCs ==

[http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/12/mystery_pokemon_detailed/ Apparently], artwork shown in Coro Coro comics indicates that the Player characters aren't kids like previous generations, but are a bit older and appear to be young adults. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 14:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== well heres the pics ==

I have a corocoro scan of the player characters.....

[[File:User373931 pic151409 1273683476.png|thumb|right|here they are]]
([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:The scan is from Pokebeach. I think we'd prefer it if it was your own scan. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well, the beach is our buddy, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokémon? ==

I found this online. It has the Pokémon Sunday picture in the corner. Does anybody know if this is the real deal or a scam?
http://nd03.blog.cz/294/620/14fe8a949a_61909769_o2.jpg
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 19:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

bleh...looks fake ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:Old and fake. (btw: the text on the bottom says "the Pokemon that grasps the key to the Ruler of Illusions: Z!") [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Fail. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokémon (CoroCoro scan) ==

Came here to upload the scan, but apparently someone else did but didn't do anything with it. Here it is: [[File:Corocoro7.jpg|right|thumb]]
This info should probably be put into the main article. [[User:Marluxia.Kyoshu|Marluxia.Kyoshu]] 20:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's been used on News. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== More info! ==

*Zorua has the Illusion ability.
*Mijumaru is 0.5m tall and weighs 5.9kg. It also has the Torrent ability.
*Tsutaaja is 0.6m tall and weighs 8.1kg. It also has the Overgrow ability.
*Pokabu is 0.6m tall and weighs 9.9kg. It also has the Blaze ability.
These should be added to the Pokémon articles--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== On the use of unconfirmed information ==

<strike>We seem to have taken a whole bunch of unconfirmed information as fact here, and as it's generally not Bulbapedia policy to do so, it somewhat bothers me.

For the record, here is a list of information, much of which has been added to Bulbapedia, that I have not seen in the CoroCoro pages or any other official source (though if you have official sources with this that I have missed, please, by all means, link me):
*The name "Tsutaaja," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Grass-type
*The name "Pokabu," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Fire-type
*The name "Mijumaru," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Water-type
*"Hiun City"
*Zoroark's ability, "Illusion"
*Those two new attacks whose names I can't be bothered to remember right now (Trickery and Claw Sharpen or something?)
*The method by which to obtain Zoroark
I have seen ''none'' of this come from official sources, only from fansites, blogs, and forums. (Hell, I could have sworn that I saw some of this in a 2ch speculation thread back in March.) The justification to their validity seems to be that the random anonymous person who posted this information on 2ch was right about other information before it was leaked, so he must be right now - but that reasoning hasn't been enough in past cases, has it?

I really wish we had kept the above-mentioned facts off of Bulbapedia until they were confirmed, but here they are. I personally think they should be removed (and the starters' pages moved into TTE's userspace or something) until they are confirmed, but a reasonable compromise, I think, would be to tag all articles that mention this information with an "unconfirmed" tag of some sort (I seem to remember a template for one, though I can't find it now...).

Any thoughts?</strike> [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:They're all from CoroCoro. It's pretty undeniable. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 18:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Scratch that, I found the CoroCoro scans that apparently no one cared to share which confirmed all of this. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Region ==

i would just like to say that, because of the set-up of the page, it looks like one or the regions in Gen. V is Starters. I would fix it myself, but I'm not an Admin. could an admin please change it show it looks like this

<nowiki>
==Regions==
===Isshu===
==Starters==</nowiki>

instead of this

<nowiki>
==Regions==
===Isshu===
===Starters===</nowiki> thank-you [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 19:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:If you take a look at the table of contents, you'll see that "Starter Pokémon" is a lower heading than "Isshu", as it should be, to indicate that those are the Starter Pokémon of Isshu. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:51, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::i guess that's true. the actual part of the article is what made me confused. But looking at the Table of Contents, it is set up correctly.[[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 23:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Never too early to have the article set up like the rest. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==Legendary Pokémon==
I saw two new Pokémon looks like the legendaries at the Pokémon english official site (names+artworks). Their names are Reshiram and Zekrom. I don't know if these informations are useful but... -[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
:Already a page on Bulbanews. Also, since it's breaking news, admins, may not have had time to add it in. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:If anyone's interested, I have userspace draft articles for [[User:Quagbert/Reshiram|Reshiram]] and [[User:Quagbert/Zekrom|Zekrom]]. I just made them as draft articles since I'm not sure if it's appropriate yet to put them in the mainspace, but when it is, any admin is free to move them (or give me the OK to do so). [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 20:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I may as well mention that {{user|Jello}} also has draft articles as well: [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Reshiram (Pokémon)|Reshiram]], [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Zekrom (Pokémon)|Zekrom]] [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 20:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hi, I'm new here, but I just wanted to add a little bit of information about the names, if it hasn't been done already. In Reshiram's name, the shiramu (シラム) comes from [http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E7%99%BD%E3%82%80&stype=0&dtype=0 shiramu (白む)] which means "turning white" or "growing light". In Zekrom's name, the kuromu (クロム) comes from [http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E9%BB%92%E3%82%80&stype=0&dtype=0 kuromu (黒む)] which means "turning black" or "tinged with darkness". They're used especially with regards to the sky, for example, "the sky grows light at dawn" or "the sky is tinged with darkness at night". Hope that helps a little. [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, and just speculating, but the Re- and Ze- could come from rei (レイ) and zero (ゼロ), two pronunciations of rei (零), which obviously means "zero". [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::How come nobody's yet made the articles for Reshiram and Zekrom yet? And yet people who DO create articles at strange names to get around it, they just get deleted. Why not just move them to the proper names? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 01:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::We're not satisfied with them yet. And considering tomorrow's PSunday, we'll probably get more than enough data. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::We need to put informations of the two legendaries fast, my friends are asking more things about them but I just have the basic. '''[[User:Blaze of Shadow|Blaze of Shadow]]
:::::::We can't get more info yet Blaze, tell your friends to wait.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
we dont even know their secondary or primary types, we only know that they are part dragon type, so not even the most basic info we have, the article would be only a picture with nothing else.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 07:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:That is all we knew about Zoroark when he was first revealed. Type and picture. Everything else was blank. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 08:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::He was also the first Gen. V Pokémon revealed, which is why he was such a big deal. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Five Known Pokemon? ==

The article says that five Generation V Pokemon are known, but with the announcement yesterday, seven are known. It even mentions Reshiram and Zekrom in the article. Can an admin make the edit?--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 03:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:And the Zekrom page is exist. Please fix this too. -[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
::Yeah, perhaps semi-protection would be smarter here if the admins can't afford to be on top of this at all times. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 15:46, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:::The template uses the number of pages to find how many are new. After that, you have to purge the content by pressing the clock by your username to make it show seven. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::<s>I see. So the reason it reads five instead of seven is that there are no articles for Zekrom and Reshiram, and the reason there are no articles for them is because they are create-protected. The admins couldn't just create the pages and protect them? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 15:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC</s>
:::::Didn't realize they'd been created. I've purged the content, but it still reads five. Maybe the categories haven't been added to the new legendaries' articles? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 16:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's likely because of your cache, maybe? The generation infobox reads new Pokemon as the amount of articles in [[:Category:Generation V Pokémon]], it doesn't need to be manually updated. We apologize for any inconvenience if we don't have new Pokemon articles up within the day they're revealed- we'd like to make sure that our articles aren't sloppily put together and include all the known info... which can be difficult at times and make us go "Hm, is one line of text and a mostly-unfilled infobox really worth an article?". Not the point, I know, but I'd just like to point that out. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 17:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
No, that's not it at all. I've taken a look at the source code, and it actually reads "Currently, five Generation V Pokémon are known." No template or anything. This needs to be changed. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 19:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:OH! You're talking about the infobox! We've been talking about the specific text in the article, under the "Currently known Pokémon" section. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 20:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

==The Order==

Someone have thinged what is the right order of Zoroa,Zoroark,Reshiram and Zekram? when the numbers be show we need to make the right order. [[User:Blaze of Shadow]] 23:30, 1 June 2010
:Please make more sense.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 05:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::We don't know what numbers they are because we don't know how high the regional dex is going to go. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't think Blaze is talking about specific dex numbers, just general placement, i.e. we can assume that Zekrom and Reshiram will be near the end of the dex, but we can't confirm anything right now. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 14:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==July 2010 New Pokémon==
I just whipped a [[User:Quagbert/Chiraamii (Pokémon)|draft article for Chirāmī]] based on the scans that just leaked out. I only did Chirāmī since that's the only one we have a decent amount of clear info on. Perhaps in the future we may want to take any more new Gen V Pokémon discussion {{tt|over here|Category talk:Generation V Pokémon}} and leave this talk page for other Gen V stuff, though that just my suggestion. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 12:05, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== Hiragana vs. Kanji ==

"''Kanji are now used in game menus and text, in addition to the hiragana and katakana used in the previous four generations.''" >> Not saying that this statement is false but could someone point me to a known instance of the games where kanji is used more prominently? I know that it has been used for some things already since Gen I, like the prices in the Japanese versions using the kanji for yen, but this seems to refer to a greater use of the kanji throughout the dialogues... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 17:45, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:If I recall correctly, Colo/XD also uses kanji... I think PBR and Stadium ''miiight'', but I'm not sure. There's also kanji in the TCG GB games. I might be missing a few...
:However, this is the first time that a main series handheld game has used kanji in dialogue- the only screenshot I can recall seeing it though was the intro with [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/characters/characters02.html Prof Araragi and Chirami]. It's assumed to be a toggle of sorts seeing as there's other dialogue screenshots with just kana. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 17:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
::I was referring specifically to BW, though, but thanks for the info you provided. xD Well, it does really seem to be an optional element, since I didn't notice kanji in any of the footage before, not even that one of Prof. Araragi and Chiramii... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 18:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, according to the new Iwata Asks[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index.html#list] there is going to be both a hiragana mode and a kanji mode. I suggest changing "''Kanji are now used in game menus and text, in addition to the hiragana and katakana used in the previous four generations.''" to something like "''Aside from the usual game menus and text in {{wp|hiragana}} and {{wp|katakana}}, there is now also the option of a {{wp|kanji}} mode. While hiragana and katakana made the Pokémon series accessible to elementary school kids, the optional texts mixed with kanji now also make the games easier to pick up for older teens and adults.''" As opposed to the present version, this makes clear that there is the '''option''' of kanji, and explains the effects of the new kanji mode to those unknown to the Japanese writing system. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 12:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Named after colors ==

Trivia mentions that black and white are colors, technically they're not colors. I think it should be reworded to say that the titles were the first since Generation I (or II, since gold and silver can be colors) to not be named after a gemstone or a mineral. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:Technically, they '''are''' colors. Technically, they are not hues - they are shades. This terminology is used in most artistic endeavors, except lighting, where white and black are the presence or absence of light, but that's neither here nor there. These are colors. However, I agree that silver and gold are also colors, but I think it's pretty clear what was meant in the article. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 14:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon currently known ==

By my latest tally, including the pokemon recently released, their are now about 20 with names and around 3 more that still remain unnamed, should anyone make an edit of this. {{unsigned|InferSizMamoMagne}}
:There are fourteen named Pokémon; these are the ones that are counted. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

i want to add koromori. but it wont let me [[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 19:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:The page name has been protected because we know too little about the subject. You can quit spamming pages now, please. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The Picture ==

I'm just wondering if instead of the logos of Black and White getting put as the picture, I think that someone should just put the Japanese boxart pictures on.-- [[User:lilkaykaygal|lilkaykaygal]] 7:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:The boxart is on the {{game|Black and White|s}} article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== advances in gameplay ==
i need to add that you can play triple battles in pokemon black and white. [[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 19:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:Or someone else could add it when we know more about it. Why do ''you'' need to add it?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:38, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, nevermind, someone already put it in.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, and please fix the triple battles link - it points to ''Double_battle#Triple_battle'' as of now, while the correct would be ''Double_battle#Triple_battle'''s''''' --'''HTMLCODER.exe@bulbapedia$_ [[User:HTMLCODER.exe|/usr]][[Special:Contributions/HTMLCODER.exe|/bin]][[User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe|/apache2]] -k restart''' 11:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Evos ==

I MIGHT have found the final evolutions of the starters, but they are probably fake.

Here they are: File:GenVStarterEvos.png

[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 17:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:They're fake. (and the picture has been deleted on the Archives) <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== NGamer - 157? ==

In the most recent issue of NGamer magazine UK, they said there would be 157 new Pokémon in B/W. I don't know where they could have gotten that possible fact from, but it ought to be looked into, in the event that they are telling the truth. However, NGamer have been known to put rumors down as fact, and I would predict this is false. [[User:Torngentleman2|MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2)]] 18:37, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
: It is a rumor that's been circulating for a while, but there hasn't been any actual evidence I'm yet aware of. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

==season==
since seasons were confirmed to be in gen V could someone add that to this generations changes?[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 20:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colours ==

Wow, this is totally random and pointless, but I wanted to point out that the thing about these being the first games named after colours since G1 is inaccurate. All the games have been based off of colours, however, those colours also tend to be other things (metals and gems, etc.). For example, silver is a colour, gold is a colour, ruby is bright red, as it's counterparts sapphire and emerald to blue and green respectively, and so forth. I just think that it's kinda pointless to put that information int he trivia when it's not exactly true. But feel free to debate with me, I'm open for people trying to change my mind. :D

[[User:Makuta Zero|Makuta Zero]] 06:21, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Advances in Gameplay ==

I think that it should include that seasons will be in the games. --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 15:35, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== Monochrome generation? ==

its not monochrome monochrome is 1 color black and white is already 2 it should be called the shade generation since they already said third would be grey {{Unsigned|Ares5566}}
:I'd like to inform you of a few things
:1. Sign your comments. ALWAYS

:2. "Pokémon Gre(a)y" was never confirmed

:3. Monochrome doesn't mean 1 color. It means shades of 1 color. so Monochrome and Shade are the exact same thing. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 02:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

::Just how Generation III was the Advanced Gen, why isnt this the Rebirth Gen? That is what is really is. They are having fresh new starts. Also, monochrome only applies to three games. Speculation shows that we have high chances of getting an Emerald remake (ranberth at youtbue has evidenece). In 2012, 10 anivesity; they like to remake at that time. Also, im reseaching that we might get more Gen I remakes due to 15th anivesrity. The biggest hint is that every region has included Kanto.Here is my guess...

::*2011-Black and White
::*2012-Grey
::*2012-Emerald remake
::*2013-Gen I remakes
::(they will more spaced out)
::So, with that said, i want to vote on a name! --[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 06:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Monochrome is accurate for now. If there are Hoenn remakes, the name can be changed. It's called what fans have chosen, and for now it's monochrome. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Needs Updated ==

This page is outdated. It needs to get updated with the latest info that has since been confirmed by last month's CoroCoro, and reconfirmed by both Pokemon Sunday & the official Site.
[[User:Shinji-San|Shinji-San]] 01:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)Shinji-San

== The fan name is wrong ==

The page says they call it the "monochrome generation".I am an Art Major at Lord Fairfax Community College,and that name makes no sense.Monochrome "only 1 color".There are 2 versions,and also black and white are not colors.They are refered to as neutrals in art(which is the only side that has an argument in color).Also,black is the abscense of color,and white is the combination of all percieved color.That name is completely inaccurate,and should be removed from the article because it does not really relate. {{unsigned|Slyver333}}
:According to Wikipedia's article on {{wp|Monochrome}}, "For an image, the term monochrome is usually taken to mean the same as black-and-white or, more likely, grayscale..." Therefore monochrome is not incorrect here. Also, if it's here, it probably means it was used on some Japanese fansite--just because it's not "right" in art, doesn't mean it can't be used as a fan term. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 02:24, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
::Plus, black and white ARE colors - they aren't hues, but they are colors. In art terms, they are technically called shades and tints, respectively. Black is a shade of any color, and white is a tint of any color. As long as you're not talking about light, that makes them both colors. (When discussing colors of light, it is acceptable to refer to white as a combination of all frequencies, and black as the absence of all frequencies, but we're not in optics.) I don't know what you're art teachers are telling you, Slyver, but I'd double check your facts before trying to correct people. Different schools of thought use different terminology, and although I've never heard of the terms you use, I know the ones I learned are widely accepted. Long story short, monochrome is an acceptable term for this generation. (Monochrome can also refer to any range of shades, tints, and tones that have a single hue as their base.) [[User:Jazzmoth|ʝɑzzmotɦ]] [[User talk:Jazzmoth|❝❞]][[Special:Contributions/Jazzmoth|✎]] 21:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Number of new pokes. ==

One of the new commericals claimed over 100 new pokes ([http://pokebeach.com/2010/08/black-white-wii-commercials-reveal-many-new-scenes Pokebeach says so anyways]) would be introduced. Should we change the "Pokémon" field in the template to reflect that? Also the info on communications with gen 4 is outdated. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 01:06, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

== Anthing for Trivia? ==

1.I think that with the information we have so far, we should be able to come up with some stuff for the section, at least for when it becomes editable to regular users. I noticed that this is the first Generation to not have a game where you (presumably) can't go to the Kanto region (as in Generation III, there are the Gen. I remakes, Generation IV has HeartGold and SoulSilver, where you can visit Kanto after beating the Elite Four).

2. I was wondering if anyone thinks they may make a Ruby/Sapphire remake, because Gen. III wasn't that much less advanced in terms of graphics and mechanics, so making a remake would be somewhat pointless, as you could just as easily buy the original, and considering they would have to put a lot of work into making a game that would be more or less the same in most ways(you can tell the added material in LG/FR and HG/SS is obviously needed or at least very different).

3. The new Japanese commercials for Black & White reveal another new team (as expected) and what looks like some sort of conversation thing where you get an up close look who you're talking to. Any comments?

Please respond if you would like. --[[User:BeeBwakka|BeeBwakka]] 23:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:# Trivia sections aren't things that need to be filled. No-one should ever be goining around looking at a page and trying to add trivia just because the trivia section is short.
:# Talk pages aren't for general discussion. RS remake talk should be taken to {{bmgf|56930|this thread on the forums}}.
:# Can you get pictures of the commercials? It would help for confirming details. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It's far too early to say that anything won't happen in the next four years. Yes, the chances of revisiting Kanto are less likely this time around but anything could happen in the games after BW, especially with the 3DS (which any RS remakes would be on). --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 01:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I just joined so I'm new to this stuff. --[[User:BeeBwakka|BeeBwakka]] 12:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==

Akinator ([http://www.akinator.com here]), is a website where Akinator (the character) tries to guess any character you're thinking of (by yes-no-maybe questions). It (the site) may be a little too small to be notable (though mijumaru alone has already been tried over 140 times) but it *already* has a question "Is your character from the fifth generation of Pokemon". [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 20:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think it would be trivia, unless it was a big site. If it should be, it should be noted that they misspelled Pokémon. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Oh god, not that thing...damn genie.. I don't think it would be trivia either...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:42, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Generation Length ==

Does anyone mind correcting the generation length? It says "-5 days". --[[User:MCRMY119|-DH]] 21:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Five days until, at that time. Now it says -1, because it's released on Saturday, also known as, you know... tomorrow. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

== All Pokemon Revealed. ==

http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon.shtml[[User:Umitencho|Umitencho]] 19:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii's not an official source. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Gen V framerate ==

Shall we mention it? (For anyone curious: 30 overworld, 60 battles, title screen, 2D menus, 15 opening) [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 15:18, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Do you want a title screen pic like all the generations before it? ==

Just asking. If needed, I'll produce these. [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 13:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:Yeeeahh. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::Feel free to pick the one which's better. (http://s1096.photobucket.com/albums/g329/Jarooda/Bulbapedia%20stuff/) (That's my Photobucket!) [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 12:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, you're Jarooda? Did not know. Um, the first and the fourth are good. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::::What should I name them in Bulbagarden Archives? [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 12:35, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::The second and the third actually have smoother edges, but this your call, Trom. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Did it. What do you guys think? [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 01:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::I guess they do, but I liked the dragons' poses better in the first and fourth :/ —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Useful source? ==

I accidentally came across this website which appears to reveal the trademarked romanji of the 646 'official' Pokémon as of now, as well as some insight on to their name origins. Is this official? --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 09:36, 8 November 2010 (UTC) [http://park3.wakwak.com/~pokepale/zukan/no/1_1_25.htm]
:It's a fan site I think, like it says on the main page "This site is Japanese Pokemon Fan Site.". [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 09:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 09:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== Why some classics arent in the regionnal dex ==

some classics (magicarp, pikachu, geodude, abra, etc.) dont appear in isshu. why?

I think thats because they are far away from kanto/jotho/hoenn/sinnoh. maybe the pokemons of gen5 will be the standards for 3 other gens. {{unsigned|Grhaal0}}
:Game Freak has already stated that the reason old Pokémon aren't included is to give all players a fresh, new experience when playing the games. Your suggestion is speculation, which is rarely allowed and certainly doesn't take precedence over [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Wordofgod word of god]. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
::That brings up the question of "Why did they include old Pokemon at all". Surely a new game, set supposedly in a place half the globe away from previous games wouldn't have all these old Pokemon found in it.--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:::I've already explained to you Mackinz, the real world has some species which live in far away places (see rats, mosquitoes, etc.). I don't mean to offend, but if you're trying to bring up another debate over Isshu's basis/motif, this isn't the place. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 21:27, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Not trying to start a debate. Just can't figure out for the life of me why Paras would be in New York. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 20:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::Guys this disscussion needs to go to the forums. Stop cluttering the talk page. Please and Thank you [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 20:16, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
== New Catchable Pokémon from Old Generations==
You know, a lot of Pokémon in these games, although from previous generations, is the first time they are catchable in the wild (without hacks, of course), like Metagross, Kingdra, Mamoswine, Crobat, etc. Is that worth noting? [[User:TFSpock|TFSpock]] 00:47, 4 December 2010 (UTC)TFSpock

== Wrong Pokémon Count ==
I find this page is within the category page of Generation V Pokémon. I post here, though, since this affects the number of new Pokémon in the summary of Generation V (the one that has the screenshot, main games, region introduced, etc).
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:SLE_aman/fanhax
- [[User:Chaotic iak|Chaotic iak]] 05:26, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:That page was using templates which categorise. I've replaced them with ones that don't categorise or replaced them with the relevant hardcode and removed the categories. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== Live Caster ==

Can anyone explain what it is? It's not in the article. --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee § Bwakka♂]] ''([[User talk:BeeBwakka|meh talk]])'' 02:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:Bulbapedia has [[Live Caster|a separate article for it]]. The basic information about it can be found there. --[[User:RiverAura|River]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|Aura]] 20:36, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

==Alterations from Generation IV==
Shouldn't the removal of Curse be moved from the "Trivia" section to the "Alterations from Gen IV" section? [[User:U2kheim|U2kheim]] 20:12, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:Wait a sec, what? Did you mean, the ???-type? Also, is it neccessary? --[[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 13:33, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
::Yes because it is an official elemental type. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Thematic Motif? ==

When will the thematic motif for this generation be written? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:18, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:Because, I'm assuming they're added after the release of the next generation. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 01:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::They were all added by one user quite recently. It's a new thing; no one's written the Gen V one yet. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

== Timescale between generations ==

i know there isn't an official timescale between BW and HGSS/DPPt (as HGSS/DPPt is 3 years ahead of FRLG and Ruby/Sapphire) but the page states that there must be a significant difference because the Rocket grunt who was seen in HGSS now has a son, however, Cynthia (DPPt) and Looker (Pt) are NPC's in Black and White too and don't appear to have aged much or at all (in comparison to Misty between FRLG and HGSS), so could it be possible that the grunt already had a son who grew up to be a Schoolboy trainer in a timespace of less than 3 years or slightly more? couldn't this mean that the time between HGSS and BW could be shorter than implied on the page? [[User:Azure42|Azure42]] 15:32, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Cynthia and Looker are much older, so they age much less. The older Gym leaders from FRLG didn't change that much in HGSS. Misty was going through puberty, so her aging would be much clearer. Regardless, I believe that that Rocket Grunt said that he met his wife soon after returning home, meaning that his son was not born in HGSS. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:39, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::It's highly likely to be 11 years - GSC was three years after RGB, RGB were released in 1996, with GS exactly three years later. BW were released 11 years after GS, and since RS happens at the same time as RGB and DP happens at the same time as GS, for the remakes' sake. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:04, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes but Caitin is already young in Platinum-HGSS. Maybe she is in her 20s or her early 30s. Yet, in Black and White she still appears to be young (maybe in her late 30s). So an eleven year gap seems to be too big.
::::People can't have a very similar appearance for years. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::You'd be surprised how little some people change over the years. My brother, for instance, has hardly changed in appearance in nearly 15 years. And let's not forget our famous [[Ash Ketchum|in-universe]] example.
:::::In regards to Caitlin, she honestly looks a lot younger than 20 in PtHGSS. Her exact age, however, is debatable. --'''[[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]]''' ''[[User talk:Darkeiya|talk to me!]]'' 10:40, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::Mind if I join in the conversation? You said that the Team Rocket grunt met his wife/already having the child during the time of GSC/HGSS/DPPt. A school child would be at least 4 years old, no? So let's say 4 - 5 years? By the way, where is this Rocket Grunt? [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 19:39, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

== Kanto ==

why's it say this is the only Generation not to include Kanto? wouldn't something like that be better saved for after this Generation is over?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 23:33, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:Currently it is true. If this changes in the future, so will the trivia. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
::alright--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 07:52, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Running Shoes (Changes from Generation IV) ==

is it worth putting that the running shoes have returned to just pressing B in contrast to in HGSS when it could be automatically be put on using the button on the touch screen? or is it just useless trivia? [[User:Azure42|Azure42]] 17:27, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Debut ==
I noticed on the "Debut" part of the page it says "March 6 2011" - the U.S. release date. As it's under the "En" tag (obviously for "English") and the European release is 4th March 2011, should that be changed to reflect the EU release date? Although the majority of the fandom are American, it is the English premiere, or a third option be added? {{unsigned|Ryu Shoji}}
:It should really be first English, not first US. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::We use US dates for everything else, I don't see why this should be any different even if it is two days before. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 16:17, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Maybe we should add {{tt|*|March 6 in US}}?----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 16:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The thing says English, so we should use the first English date. The only reason US dates are used for everything else is because they are usually first ([[The Legend of Thunder!|but not always]]). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:23, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::The European date is when the English-speaking world begins Generation V. If the date has not been changed already, I will update it (this is the date we're counting down to on the Main Page/when all the info will be out, after all). —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

== Catching Pokemon at a certain time of day ==

Can someone confirm if this has been removed? As it would certainly seem to be. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yes; time of day-based encounter rate differences don't appear in the game data.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 15:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== New standards ==

I find some odd matches for gen I-V. Timburr, Dangoro and Woobat share traits with machop, geodude and zubat.
What if Gen V acts Like a new Gen I, that will provide Gen VI and up with reccuring pokemons (Magicarp, Geodude, Abra, Machop and Pikachu (and probably others) appears in all Generations I to IV) that will be "standards" for the next games?
Gen III seemed like a reboot for fans, maybe they tried then, and now they made it here.Maybe... [[User:Grhaal|Grhaal]] 01:49, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:Some fans have speculated that. We'll see what the future will be like. It'll be interesting. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:40, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia-new system ==

This is the second time (not the first) that a new generation of pokemon didnt start on a new system, while gold and silver had exclusive features when played on the GBC (playing in color), they were still playable on GB and GB pocket (cyrstal was the first game that required the GBC). Just as this duo of games can be played on DS, but when played on DSi or 3DS, these games also have exclusive features (the Xtransceiver only works on DSi and 3DS, but NOT on original DS/DS lite systems)

To say its the first time not to move to the next console at launch is misleading and untrue.
:[[File:Pokemonsilverbox.jpg|thumb|300px]]
:Box clearly says ''Game Boy Colour''. The games just happen to be backwards compatible. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 01:30, 17 February 2011 (UTC0)

the game cart is clearly a GB cart (notice the thumb grip goes in and says "Nintedo GameBoy" not out like a GBC cart) [http://gamesdbase.com/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy_Color/Cart/big/Pokemon-_Gold_Version_-_2000_-_Nintendo.jpg example of GB cart]
[http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fLtECJziqZI/SkqTt2PlFOI/AAAAAAAABmE/Ciwhrs2IL8E/HPIM1556.JPG example of GBC cart]

== Young trainer ==

Its obvious that "young trainer" is the player from D/P/Pt.--[[User:Grhaal|Grhaal]] 12:28, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== Non-Event Trivia ==
Is it worth noting the Generation V introduced the same number of non-event Pokémon as Generation I (150)? --[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 18:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think so. Victini is counted as an event Pokémon. With the unofficial Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect, that makes 156 - 4 = 152 non-event Pokémon. I have a ready list of all Generation V Pokémon for reference, and that indeed appears to be the case... [[User:Haxorus|Haxorus]] 14:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
::I think JDE was considering Zorua and Zoroark event Pokémon. Would it be correct to consider them that? After all, the only ways to get those two are through an event, or from someone else who has through trading or GTS. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

== Lock ==

I believe this page should be locked due to this[http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dengeki_DS_announces_new_Pok%C3%A9mon_game]. Anyone agree?[[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 17:38, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:I think we should wait until people actually start doing editing the page. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 17:54, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
::Han is correct. If something goes wrong, then it will be protected, but for now, there is no reason to worry. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 17:57, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Okay thanks Han and Jello. I wasn't sure, though. When something "Big" like this is 'revealed', a lot of people overreact. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:04, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

==Gym Leaders?==
Is it accurate to say this is the first generation for which there is more than one Gym Leader per town within the same game? (Or something less awkwardly phrased.) I noticed it wasn't in the section so.... Am I forgetting someone? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 22:15, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:Tate and Liza from Hoenn. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 22:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::They fight as a unit, though. It's still the first time you could fight one of two or three Gym Leader units depending on your game or your starter. I'm not sure what the best way to phrase it would be. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 14:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
:::[[Sootopolis Gym]]. Leader depends on version. You could also argue [[Fuchsia Gym]] and [[Viridian Gym]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Given, the user who started this chain mentioned more than one leader within the ''same'' game; Tate and Liza were the first of this kind, I do believe. Cilan, Chili and Cress (discounting Iris and Drayden, because, as I've stated, the parameters for this are ''within the same game'') are not trailblazers. [[User:Sadistic Blaziken|Puppy]] of [[User talk:Sadistic Blaziken|Doom]] and [[Poochyena (Pokémon)|Destruction]] 14:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I'm the same user, I don't know why I brought up the version thing the second time. I was mostly wondering about Cilan, Chili, and Cress, but I didn't think about Tate and Liza. Thank you! [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 14:45, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== All Pure Types ==

Someone can add that trivia:
Generation V is the only generation that introduce all pure types with at least one pokémon
Sorry for my bad english! {{unsigned|Shocker}}
:Sorry, but there is a current ban on trivia at the moment so it can not be added. Also please sign all comments with 4 <nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki>. Thank you! [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 21:15, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Barry (game)

2011-10-23T03:40:56Z

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{{CharInfobox|
color=E08040 |
corecolor=FFE683 |
bordercolor=629C20 |
name=Barry |
jname=ジュン |
tmname=Jun |
image=Platinum Barry.png |
size=200px |
caption=Art from {{v2|Platinum}} |
gender=Male |
hometown=[[Twinleaf Town]] |
region=[[Sinnoh]] |
relatives={{FB|Tower Tycoon|Palmer}} (father), unnamed mother |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass={{pkmn|Trainer}}, [[Rival]] |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|IV}} |
games={{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} |
leader=no |
team=no |
brain=no |
anime=counterpart |
animecounterpart={{an|Barry}}|
epnum=DP101 |
epname=Barry's Busting Out All Over! |
manga=counterpart |
mangacounterpart={{adv|Pearl}} |
roundnum=PS338|
roundname=VS. Starly |
}}

'''Barry''' (Japanese: '''ジュン''' ''Jun'') is the [[rival]] character in {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.

The character {{adv|Pearl}} from the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga is based on Barry. A version of the character also appears in the {{OBP|Pokémon DP|Shigekatsu Ihara}} manga.

This particular rival also appears on the {{TCG ID|Diamond & Pearl|Rival|113}} card in the {{TCG|Diamond & Pearl}} and {{TCG|Secret Wonders}} expansions of the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

==In the games==
===Role===
====Pokémon Diamond and Pearl====
Barry, like the player, lives in [[Twinleaf Town]] and is also the player's childhood friend (and soon-to-be [[rival]]). Barry is always in a hurry and extremely impatient, and because of this, often crashes into other people (usually demanding a fine from them) or misses important details.

Barry is incredibly determined and it is very difficult to discourage him; the only thing that has done this so far was his crushing loss to the [[Team Galactic]] {{tc|Commander}}, [[Jupiter]] at [[Lake Acuity]], although this defeat lead to a major positive change in Barry's character, causing him to become slightly more serious, realistic, and mature. He is also quite the braggart, often boasting about his battling prowess or how cool his Pokémon are. Barry ''does'' have a soft side however, as seen after the wild Starly attack.

Barry is also one to take risks and quickly jump into action; it was this behavior that caused the player and himself to be attacked by [[wild]] {{p|Starly}}, setting off the chain reaction that would result in the player receiving his/her first Pokémon.

After becoming the [[Sinnoh League]] {{pkmn|Champion}}, the player can find him training at [[Stark Mountain]] during the week, and at the [[Fight Area]] on weekends in {{v2|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, ready to battle. He desires to get into the [[Battleground]], even asking [[Crasher Wake]]'s help. Unlike the player and {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}}, Barry did not receive a Pokédex, due to him rushing out of [[Professor Rowan]]'s lab before Rowan could give him one.

His father is {{FB|Tower Tycoon|Palmer}}, one of the Sinnoh {{Gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}}'s five [[Frontier Brain]]s. Barry wants to be like him, which is the reason he is so determined and trains hard.

====Pokémon Platinum====
In addition to his hyperactive personality, it is shown in the beginning of Platinum, he also gets distracted very easily. In the events of Platinum, Barry suggests going to visit Professor Rowan at his lab rather than go to the lake in search of a Pokémon of the same rarity as a [[red Gyarados]] (as happened in {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}). When Professor Rowan questions {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and Barry on {{rt|201|Sinnoh}} about going into the [[tall grass]] without any Pokémon, deeming it reckless and wondering if such people were well-suited for Pokémon, Barry admits it was his idea and says that his friend should at least get a Pokémon if not him. After this, Professor Rowan gives them both Pokémon, much to Barry's excitement.

After becoming the [[Sinnoh League]] {{pkmn|Champion}}, he can also be found at the [[Survival Area]] every day, but he can only be battled on weekends.

===In {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}===
====Pokémon====
''For Barry's Pokémon in {{v|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, see [[Barry (game)/Diamond and Pearl|here]]''.

[[File:Diamond Pearl Barry.png|thumb|160px|Artwork from {{v2|Diamond and Pearl|s}}]]

====Quotes====
{{incomplete|section}}
=====At [[Twinleaf Town]]=====
*In front of his house:
''"'''Thud!!''' What was that about?! Oh, hey, <player>! Hey! I'm going to the lake! You come too! And be quick about it! OK, <player>? I'm fining you {{PDollar}}1 million if you're late! Oh, jeez! Forgot something!"''

*In his room:
''"...I'd better take my [[Bag]] and {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Journal}}, too... Oh, hey, <player>! We're going to the lake! I'll be waiting for on the road! It's a {{PDollar}}10 million fine if you're late!"''

====={{rt|201|Sinnoh}}=====
''"Hey, you saw that news report that was on TV, right? You know, "Search for the [[Red Gyarados]]! The mysterious appearance of the furious Pokémon in a lake!" That show got me to thinking. I'll bet our local lake has a Pokémon like that in it, too! So, that's what we're gonna do. We'll go find a Pokémon like that!"''

*If the player attempts to walk into the tall grass:
''"Remember what your mother said? Mom: "<player>! Don't go into the tall grass!" "Remember, wild Pokémon may attack you if you're walking in tall grass." "It would be OK if you had your own Pokémon, but...""''

*After the events at Lake Verity:
''"Hey, it's those people! Is that old guy staring at us?"''

''"What was all that craziness about? I mean, if he was angry, he could've just yelled at us, or whatever... And didn't he want their Pokémon back...? <player>... We should go home, too...

=====[[Verity Lakefront]]=====
*Before the events at Lake Verity
''"All right! To the lake! Let's find us a red Gyarados!

*After the events at Lake Verity:
''"..You go ahead ...I know we have to go return these Pokémon. They're not ours. But I want to spend just a little more time with this little guy..."''

:*If spoken to:
''"I wish I could grow tougher with this little guy..."''

''"I don't feel like talking... Let's go. ...Are we maybe walking slower than when we went to the lake?"''

:*If the player attempts to enter Lake Verity:
''"Hey, hey! Where do you think you're going? We have to go return these Pokémon..."''

=====[[Lake Verity]]=====
''"What's going on...?"''

''"What was that about? Those two... Huh? <player>! Let's go check this out! ... ... What's that? Don't go into the tall grass? No problem, no problem! We won't be in there long enough for a wild Pokémon to come out."''

''"It's... A briefcase? Those people forgot it here. What are we supposed to do with it? We can try to deliver it, but who are they? I heard them say professor..."''

''"Waaah! Po-Pokémon?! What's going on?!"''

*When selecting a Pokémon:
''"Look! These are Poké Balls! Let's battle using these! Eh...? Which one do you want then?"''

*After the battle:
''"Fwaaah! Your {{p|Turtwig}}/{{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}} totally rocked! But my Chimchar/Piplup/Turtwig was way tougher than yours! ...They were other people's Pokémon, though... But we had to use them... They won't mind, will they?"''

''"What was that about? I don't know what's going on. <player>, let's get out of here. My Pokémon got hurt from that battle. If we get attacked by another Pokémon, we might be in trouble."''

===In {{game|Platinum}}===
====Pokémon====
This listing is for Barry's Pokémon in the most recent video game in which he has appeared.

=====First battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 201
|locationname=Route 201
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=390
|pokemon=Chimchar
|type1=Fire
|gender=male
|ability=Blaze
|level=5
|move1=Scratch
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 201
|locationname=Route 201
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=393
|pokemon=Piplup
|type1=Water
|gender=male
|ability=Torrent
|level=5
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 201
|locationname=Route 201
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=387
|pokemon=Turtwig
|type1=Grass
|gender=male
|ability=Overgrow
|level=5
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Withdraw
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Second battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}900
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 203
|locationname=Route 203
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=396
|pokemon=Starly
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|level=7
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=390
|pokemon=Chimchar
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|level=9
|move1=Scratch
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}900
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 203
|locationname=Route 203
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=396
|pokemon=Starly
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|level=7
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=393
|pokemon=Piplup
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|level=9
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}900
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 203
|locationname=Route 203
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=396
|pokemon=Starly
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|level=7
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=387
|pokemon=Turtwig
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|level=9
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Withdraw
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Third battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Hearthome City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=25
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=23
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=23
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=391
|pokemon=Monferno
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|level=27
|move1=Mach Punch
|move1type=Fighting
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Flame Wheel
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Hearthome City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=25
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=23
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=23
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=394
|pokemon=Prinplup
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|level=27
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Peck
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=BubbleBeam
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Metal Claw
|move4type=Steel
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Hearthome City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=25
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=23
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=23
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=388
|pokemon=Grotle
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|level=27
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Razor Leaf
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Absorb
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Curse
|move4type=???
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Fourth battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pastoria City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=34
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=32
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=32
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=391
|pokemon=Monferno
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|level=36
|move1=Mach Punch
|move1type=Fighting
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Flame Wheel
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pastoria City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=34
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=32
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=32
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=394
|pokemon=Prinplup
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|level=36
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Peck
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=BubbleBeam
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Metal Claw
|move4type=Steel
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pastoria City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=34
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=32
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=32
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=388
|pokemon=Grotle
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|level=36
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Razor Leaf
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Absorb
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Curse
|move4type=???
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Fifth battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3800
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Canalave City
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=36
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=35
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=35
|move1=GrassWhistle
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Toxic Spikes
|move4type=Poison
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Guts
|level=37
|move1=Aerial Ace
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Horn Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=392
|pokemon=Infernape
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|level=38
|move1=Brick Break
|move1type=Fighting
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Flame Wheel
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3800
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Canalave City
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=36
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=35
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=35
|move1=GrassWhistle
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Guts
|level=37
|move1=Aerial Ace
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Horn Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=395
|pokemon=Empoleon
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Steel
|ability=Torrent
|level=38
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Peck
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=BubbleBeam
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Metal Claw
|move4type=Steel
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3800
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Canalave City
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=36
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=35
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=35
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Guts
|level=37
|move1=Aerial Ace
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Horn Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=389
|pokemon=Torterra
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Ground
|ability=Overgrow
|level=38
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Razor Leaf
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Absorb
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Curse
|move4type=???
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Sixth battle=====

{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}5100
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=48
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=47
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=49
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=48
|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=47
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=392
|pokemon=Infernape
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Blaze
|level=51
|move1=Focus Blast|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Claw|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flamethrower|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Aerial Ace|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}5100
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=47
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=49
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=48
|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=48
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=47
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=395
|pokemon=Empoleon
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Steel
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Torrent
|level=51
|move1=Brine|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Metal Claw|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Aerial Ace|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Shadow Claw|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}5100
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=48
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=47
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=47
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=48
|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=49
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=389
|pokemon=Torterra
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Ground
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Overgrow
|level=51
|move1=Leaf Storm|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Synthesis|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Weekend battles=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}6500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Survival Area
|pokemon=6

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=59
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=63
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=62
|move1=Megahorn|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=61
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=57
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=392
|pokemon=Infernape
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Blaze
|level=65
|move1=Focus Blast|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Claw|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flamethrower|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Aerial Ace|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}6500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Survival Area
|pokemon=6

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=59
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=63
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=62
|move1=Megahorn|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=61
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=61
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=395
|pokemon=Empoleon
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Steel
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Torrent
|level=65
|move1=Hydro Pump|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Metal Claw|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Drill Peck|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Shadow Claw|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}6500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Survival Area
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=61
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=59
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=59
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=62
|move1=Megahorn|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=63
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=389
|pokemon=Torterra
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Ground
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Overgrow
|level=65
|move1=Leaf Storm|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

After the [[Elite Four]] are defeated 10 times, Barry's Pokémon's [[level]]s each increase by 10, and his reward money is {{pdollar}}7500. After they are defeated 20 times, his Pokémon gain 10 further levels and his payout is {{pdollar}}8500.

====Quotes====
{{incomplete|section}}
'''[[Twinleaf Town]]'''
*Player's house
:''"There you are! Hey, <player>! Did you just see the TV? Sure you did! Prof. Rowan's that really important guy who studies Pokémon, right? That means he must have lots and lots of Pokémon. So, if we ask him, I bet he'd give us some Pokémon! Oh, hey! Is this a new PC?! Uh... Where was I? Oh, right, right! We're going to go see Prof. Rowan and get some Pokémon. I'll be waiting outside, OK, <player>? If you're late, I'm fining you {{PDollar}}10 million!"''

*Barry's house
:''"'''Thud!''' What was that about?! Oh, hey, <player>! Hey! I'm going to see Prof. Rowan! You should come, too! And quickly! Oh, jeez! Forgot something!"''
:''"...I'd better take my [[Bag]] and {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Journal}}, too... Oh, hey, <player>! I'll be waiting for you on the road! It's a {{PDollar}}10 million fine if you're late!"''

'''{{rt|201|Sinnoh}}'''
:''"Too slow! All right! Let's get moving to Prof. Rowan's lab. ... ... What? Don't go into the grass, right? No worries! No problem! It doesn't matter that we don't have any Pokémon. Trust me on this one. I've got an idea! Now listen. You know how wild Pokémon jump out when you go into tall grass? So, what you do is, you scoot over to the next patch of grass before any wild Pokémon can appear! If we just keep dashing, we can get to [[Sandgem Town]] without running into wild Pokémon! OK, stick with me! OK, here goes! On your marks..."
:''"... ... Hey, <player>. This old guy's... It's Prof. Rowan, isn't it? What's he doing here...?"''
::'''No''': ''"Whoa, hold up! You're not making any sense here!"''
::'''Yes''': ''"Me, too! I love Pokémon, too!"''
:''"What?! You can ask a hundred times! The answer will never change! We'll both answer a hundred times, we love Pokémon! Right, <player>?"''
::'''No''': ''"... That joke's getting old!"
::'''Yes''':
:''"...Uh... Well, I, uh... ... ...Well, then forget about me, but give a Pokémon to my friend here! I mean, it was me who tried to go into the tall grass and all..."''
:''"Really?! Prof. Rowan! I can't believe it! I'm so happy now that I can't keep a straight face! Hey, <player>. You can choose first. Hey, I'm practically a grown-up. I have to show some class here."''
:''"Then, I choose you! I'm picking this {{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}}/{{p|Turtwig}}!"''

*Before battle
:''"How do you like that? Prof. Rowan's really nice. On TV, he seems so stern and scary. Heheh, <player>! We've both got Pokémon now. There's only one thing to do, right? Are you up for this?"''
::'''No''': ''"What's with that attitude? Don't be that way!"''
::'''Yes''': ''"I've always wanted to say this... The time has finally come! <player>! I challenge you to a battle!"''

*During battle (the first non-KO hit)
:''"What in the...?! That one hurt, you!"''
*During battle (less than half HP)
:''"No way! We can keep going! This is where we hit our stride!"''

*When defeated
:''"What are you saying?! We ended up losing?!"''

*After being defeated
:''"Whew! Let's go home. I'm beat after that battle. My Pokémon needs rest, too. See ya, <player>!"''

:''"Too slow! <player>, I'm sick of waiting! I'm going to go see Prof. Rowan, so I can thank him properly. So, I had this great idea. Listen up, OK? You know that lake where we always play at? You know how they say a legendary Pokémon lives there? You guessed it! Let's catch that Pokémon. That'll make Prof. Rowan happy. I'm sure of that! Me and you together, we've got nothing to fear!"''

*{{tt|When walking|either Route 201 or Verity Lakefront}}:
:''"That Pokémon battle... Wasn't that wickedly fun or what? I mean, I'd pick the moves, and my Pokémon would use them! Yeah, I'm going to battle tons and get real close with Pokémon."''
:''"Pokémon all have different moves, huh? A Trainer makes his Pokémon battle by ordering them to use moves. That's just so awesomely cool."''
:''"Do you believe it? I can hardly believe it. You and me, we're Pokémon Trainers all of a sudden. Man, we've got tons to learn about being a Trainer. But seeing this Poké Ball with this {{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}}/{{p|Turtwig}} inside... It makes me feel like I can do anything! Nothing's impossible!
:''"That lake has a mirage Pokémon living in it. Everyone says it's just a legend, but I know I'm right."''
:''"Hey, do you know about the [[Pokémon Champion|Champion]]? There's this out-of-this-world tough Trainer who gets called that. Well, I'm gonna get so tough, the Champ has to battle me. You watch! With this little guy here, I'm sure I can get that tough."''
:''"Hey, that's enough talking already. I'm itching to go to the lake. Come on, come on!"''

'''[[Verity Lakefront]]'''
:''"All right! We're at the lake! Get ready, because we're capturing that legendary Pokémon. Trust me on this one. It's here. It even says so on the sign!"''

'''[[Lake Verity]]'''
:''"What's going on...?"''

:''"What was that about? Weird guy... OK, <player>! Let's catch that legendary Pokémon!"''

:''"! Did you hear that, <player>?! That was the legendary Pokémon crying! That had to be it! OK! This is our chance! Let's catch it! ...Wait! What...?! We don't have anything on us! You know, Poké Balls! P-O-K-accent-E Balls! If we don't have those, we can't catch Pokémon or take them around with us! ...Do you think Prof. Rowan'd give us some if we asked him? You know, you remember what he said, don't you? He said to visit him at his lab if we needed anything. OK, <player>! I'll race you! First one to the professor's lab in Sandgem Town rules!"''

'''[[Sandgem Town]]'''
:''"'''Thud!!''' What the... Oh, it's you, <player>! That old guy... He's not scary so much as he is totally out there! Aww, it doesn't matter, <player>. I'm out of here. See you later!"''

'''[[Pokémon academy|Trainers' school]] in [[Jubilife City]]'''
:''"Hey, <player>! Did you come to study, too? I went ahead and memorized everything that was up on the blackboard. After all, it's the Trainer's job to avoid having their precious Pokémon hurt in battle, right? So, <player>, what brings you? Huh? You've got [[Parcel|something]] for me? So, what is this...? Score! It's a [[Town Map]]! Huh?! Why are there two in here? I like it a lot, but I don't need two. Here, <player>, you take one! Hm... Well, according to the Town Map, I guess [[Oreburgh City]] is where I should be going next. There's a [[Oreburgh City Gym|Gym]], so it'd be perfect for raising the Pokémon I just caught. Well, I'm on the road to becoming the greatest Trainer of all time! See you around!"''

'''{{rt|203|Sinnoh}}'''
*Before battle
:''"Hey! <player>! Tell me you got a little tougher! Me? Do you even need to ask? Of course I got tougher! Come on! I'll demonstrate it to you!"''

*During battle (the first non-KO hit)
:''"Don't get cocky! This isn't over yet!"''
*During battle (less than half HP)
:''"My Pokémon's getting low on HP... Things could get tight here."''

*When defeated
:''"What just happened? I lost?!"''

*After being defeated
:''"Waah! What do you mean I lost?! Well, that's it! That's the last time I'll ever lose! I'm going to be the world's toughest Trainer, and you know it! The first thing to do is take on the Oreburgh City Pokémon Gym! I'm gonna toughen up for that, totally!"''

'''[[Oreburgh City]]'''
:''"Hunh? Oh, it's you, <player>! You finally got here? You're slow like always. But, anyway, the [[Roark|Gym Leader's]] tough! Like, seriously serious! If the Gym Leader's this tough, I wonder how he compares to my [[Tower Tycoon Palmer|dad]]... Huh? I just drifted there. Anyway, the Gym Leader's gone off to the [[Oreburgh Mine|coal mine]]. If you want to take on the Gym Leader, you'd better go off to the mine!"''

:''"I told you, the Gym Leader went down to the Oreburgh Mine. If you want to take the Gym challenge, you have to go down to the mine."''

:''"'''Thud!!''' Whoops! <player>! You got the [[Coal Badge|Gym Badge]], huh? [[Eterna City]] is the next place with a [[Eterna City Gym|Gym]] that gives away [[Badge|Badges]], right? So, yeah, I went to {{rt|207|Sinnoh}}, but you can't go there without a [[Bicycle]]. I made my team battle and toughened them up, so it wasn't a waste. So, I'm going back to Jubilife City. Next stop, the [[Forest Badge|Eterna Gym Badge]]! Ten seconds before I dash! Nine... Bah! Who's got time to count?!"''

'''[[Eterna City]]'''
:''"'''Thud!!''' Hey there, <player>! You came to see the Pokémon statue, right? I'll take you there! What the..."''

:''"Oh, hey! When we smacked together, a brilliant flash of inspiration came to me! An easy way to become a great Trainer! Yeah, that! All right. Listen close... Make certain all your attacks hit! Avoid enemy attacks for sure! You do that, you'd never lose! You'd be the invincible Trainer! Anyway, go check out the Pokémon statue. See you around!"''

'''[[Survival Area]]'''
*Before battle
:''"Hey, <player>! You aren't the only one getting tougher! I'll prove it to you! Let's go!"''

*When defeated
:''"What just went down?! You told me I've just lost again?!"''

*After being defeated
:''"...! It's alright, though. Keep getting tougher <player>. The more you do, the tougher my Pokémon and I get too. There's no end to Pokémon. That's what I'm saying, <player>!"''

==Sprites==
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #629C20; background: #E08040;"
|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #629C20; background: #FFE683; width:80px"| [[File:Jun.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #629C20; background: #FFE683; width:80px"| [[File:Pearl_back.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #629C20; background: #FFE683; width:80px"| [[File:RivalPlatinum.gif]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Barry sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl}}
| Back sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl}}
| Barry sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Platinum Version|Platinum}}
|}

==Optional names for Barry==
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #e08040;"
! Language !! Diamond !! Pearl !! Platinum
|-
||English
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Barry''
* ''Damion''
* ''Tyson''
* ''Markus''
||
* ''Clint''
* ''Ralph''
* ''Lewis''
* ''Tommy''
||
* ''Barry''
* ''Nolan''
* ''Roy''
* ''Gavin''
|-
|| Japanese
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ジュン ''Jun''
* シゲル ''Shigeru''
* コウジ ''Kōji''
* トシノブ ''Toshinobu''
||
* ヒサシ ''Hisashi''
* ソウスケ ''Sōsuke''
* アキト ''Akito''
* ノゾム ''Nozomu''
||
* ジュン ''Jun''
* テツジ ''Tetsuji''
* ヒロノブ ''Hironobu''
* ヨシノリ ''Yoshinori''
|-
|| French
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Enzo''
* ''Yan''
* ''Marcus''
* ''Niels''
||
* ''Romain''
* ''Quentin''
* ''Mattéo''
* ''Alexis''
||
* ''Enzo''
* ''Théo''
* ''Cédric''
* ''Jacob''
|-
|| German
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Lutz''
* ''Gary''
* ''Marco''
* ''Jochen''
||
* ''Dirk''
* ''Arnold''
* ''Armin''
* ''Bastian''
||
* ''Lutz''
* ''Gary''
* ''Marco''
* ''Jochen''
|-
|| Italian
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Alvise''
* ''Gary''
* ''Marzio''
* ''Markus''
||
* ''Clint''
* ''Ruggero''
* ''Livio''
* ''Tommaso''
||
* ''Alvise''
* ''Rolando''
* ''Ricky''
* ''Gino''
|-
|| Spanish
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Israel''
* ''Rosendo''
* ''Marcos''
* ''Uriel''
||
* ''Germán''
* ''Pablo''
* ''Fabio''
* ''Ignacio''
||
* ''Israel''
* ''Rosendo''
* ''Marcos''
* ''Joni''
|-
|| Korean
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* 용식 ''Yongsik''
* 바람 ''Baram''
* 효지 ''Hyoji''
* 재준 ''Jaejun''
||
* 무현 ''Muhyeon''
* 조연 ''Joyeon''
* 조인 ''Join''
* 정무 ''Jeongmu''
||
* 용식 ''Yongsik''
* 바람 ''Baram''
* 효지 ''Hyoji''
* 재준 ''Jaejun''
|}

In the Japanese versions, if the {{player}} doesn't give a name for the rival, he will be automatically named パール ''Pearl'' in Diamond. In Pearl, the name ダイヤ ''Dia'' is automatically given. In Platinum, either Dia or Pearl will be randomly selected. The same is the case for other versions of the games, choosing either "Diamond" or "Pearl" based on the game being played. The only reason the Japanese games use ダイヤ rather than the full ダイヤモンド for "Diamond" is because a Trainer's name is restricted to five characters in Japan, while elsewhere the restriction is seven.
[[File:Barry.png|right|250px|thumb|Barry in the anime.]]

==In the anime==
{{main|Barry (anime)}}
In the anime, there is a character based on Barry, sharing both his name and his characteristics. He debuts in ''[[DP101|Barry's Busting Out All Over!]]'' and ends up as one of {{Ash}}'s rivals.

==Manga counterparts==
Barry has had counterparts appear in several [[Pokémon manga]].

* In [[Pokémon Adventures]], he has a counterpart named {{Adv|Pearl}}.
* In [[Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Adventure!]], there is a recurring character which shares Barry's likeness and Japanese name, {{OBP|Jun|DPA}}.
* In {{OBP|Pocket Monsters DP|Kosaku Anakubo}}, he has a counterpart named {{OBP|Kazuki|Pocket Monsters DP}}.

==In the TCG==
This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring Barry or his Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].
{| {{bluetable}}
|- style="background: #e08040;"
!Name
!Type
!Level
!Rarity
!Set
!Set no.
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{TCG ID|Diamond & Pearl|Rival|113}} || rowspan=2 | Su || rowspan=2 | – || rowspan=2 | {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Diamond & Pearl}} || 113/130
|-
| {{TCG|Secret Wonders}} || 124/132
|}

==Trivia==
* Barry has achieved a high score of 2000 at [[Pal Park]], which serves as the default high score.
* Among the default names for him in the Japanese version of [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Pokémon Diamond]] is Shigeru, one of the names that are default in both [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Pokémon Red]] and [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|Pokémon FireRed]] for {{ga|Blue}}. "{{Gary}}" is also one of the optional names for him in the German and Italian-language versions of Pokémon Diamond. Gary's Korean Name, 바람 ''Baram'' can also be found among optional names for him in Korean-language version.
* All Japanese default names for Barry come from game staff members' first names. They are all listed in the game's credits. Jun is from '''[[Junichi Masuda]]''', production director and music composer. Shigeru is from '''Shigeru Ōmori''', game design leader. Kōji comes from '''Kōji Nishino''', a game designer. Toshinobu is from '''Toshinobu Matsumiya''', game scenario author. Hisashi is from '''Hisashi Sogabe''', battle system programmer. Sōsuke is from '''Sōsuke Tamada''', field system programmer. Akito is from '''Akito Mori''', communication system programmer and Nozomu is from '''Nozomu Saito''', also one of the programmers.
* Although Barry can only be battled on weekends, if the player saves the game in front of him on a Sunday in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, he can still be battled on weekdays if the player does not leave the Fight Area during the periods of time in between. This was corrected in {{game|Platinum}}.
* Barry has an orange [[Pokétch]], but an old lady in [[Oreburgh City]] states that blue and pink are the only colors that are produced by [[The Pokétch Company]].
* Unlike rivals for the [[Generation II]] and {{gen|III}} games, who have had only cameo appearances at best, Barry has a {{an|Barry|major anime counterpart}}, an honor held by no game rival since {{ga|Blue}}.
* Barry's Heracross's [[ability]] changes in sixth and weekend battles. On the fifth battle, its ability is {{a|Guts}}, while at sixth battle and on, its ability is {{a|Swarm}}.

{{Rival characters}}
{{NPC|orange|sinnoh=yes}}
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[[Category:Diamond and Pearl characters]]
[[Category:Platinum characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

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[[fr:Barry (jeux vidéo)]]
[[ja:ライバル (ダイヤモンド・パール・プラチナ)]]

Barry (game)

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{{CharInfobox|
color=E08040 |
corecolor=FFE683 |
bordercolor=629C20 |
name=Barry |
jname=ジュン |
tmname=Jun |
image=Platinum Barry.png |
size=200px |
caption=Art from {{v2|Platinum}} |
gender=Male |
hometown=[[Twinleaf Town]] |
region=[[Sinnoh]] |
relatives={{FB|Tower Tycoon|Palmer}} (father), unnamed mother |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass={{pkmn|Trainer}}, [[Rival]] |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|IV}} |
games={{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} |
leader=no |
team=no |
brain=no |
anime=counterpart |
animecounterpart={{an|Barry}}|
epnum=DP101 |
epname=Barry's Busting Out All Over! |
manga=counterpart |
mangacounterpart={{adv|Pearl}} |
roundnum=PS338|
roundname=VS. Starly |
}}

'''Barry''' (Japanese: '''ジュン''' ''Jun'') is the [[rival]] character in {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.

The character {{adv|Pearl}} from the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga is based on Barry. A version of the character also appears in the {{OBP|Pokémon DP|Shigekatsu Ihara}} manga.

This particular rival also appears on the {{TCG ID|Diamond & Pearl|Rival|113}} card in the {{TCG|Diamond & Pearl}} and {{TCG|Secret Wonders}} expansions of the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

==In the games==
===Role===
====Pokémon Diamond and Pearl====
Barry, like the player, lives in [[Twinleaf Town]] and is also the player's childhood friend (and soon-to-be [[rival]]). Barry is always in a hurry and extremely impatient, and because of this, often crashes into other people (usually demanding a fine from them) or misses important details.

Barry is incredibly determined and it is very difficult to discourage him; the only thing that has done this so far was his crushing loss to the [[Team Galactic]] {{tc|Commander}}, [[Jupiter]] at [[Lake Acuity]], although this defeat lead to a major positive change in Barry's character, causing him to become slightly more serious, realistic, and mature. He is also quite the braggart, often boasting about his battling prowess or how cool his Pokémon are. Barry ''does'' have a soft side however, as seen after the wild Starly attack.

Barry is also one to take risks and quickly jump into action; it was this behavior that caused the player and himself to be attacked by [[wild]] {{p|Starly}}, setting off the chain reaction that would result in the player receiving his/her first Pokémon.

After becoming the [[Sinnoh League]] {{pkmn|Champion}}, the player can find him training at [[Stark Mountain]] during the week, and at the [[Fight Area]] on weekends in {{v2|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, ready to battle. He desires to get into the [[Battleground]], even asking [[Crasher Wake]]'s help. Unlike the player and {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}}, Barry did not receive a Pokédex, due to him rushing out of [[Professor Rowan]]'s lab before Rowan could give him one.

His father is {{FB|Tower Tycoon|Palmer}}, one of the Sinnoh {{Gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}}'s five [[Frontier Brain]]s. Barry wants to be like him, which is the reason he is so determined and trains hard.

====Pokémon Platinum====
In addition to his hyperactive personality, it is shown in the beginning of Platinum, he also gets distracted very easily. In the events of Platinum, Barry suggests going to visit Professor Rowan at his lab rather than go to the lake in search of a Pokémon of the same rarity as a [[red Gyarados]] (as happened in {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}). When Professor Rowan questions {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and Barry on {{rt|201|Sinnoh}} about going into the [[tall grass]] without any Pokémon, deeming it reckless and wondering if such people were well-suited for Pokémon, Barry admits it was his idea and says that his friend should at least get a Pokémon if not him. After this, Professor Rowan gives them both Pokémon, much to Barry's excitement.

After becoming the [[Sinnoh League]] {{pkmn|Champion}}, he can also be found at the [[Survival Area]] every day, but he can only be battled on weekends.

===In {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}===
====Pokémon====
''For Barry's Pokémon in {{v|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, see [[Barry (game)/Diamond and Pearl|here]]''.

[[File:Diamond Pearl Barry.png|thumb|160px|Artwork from {{v2|Diamond and Pearl|s}}]]

====Quotes====
{{incomplete|section}}
=====At [[Twinleaf Town]]=====
*In front of his house:
''"'''Thud!!''' What was that about?! Oh, hey, <player>! Hey! I'm going to the lake! You come too! And be quick about it! OK, <player>? I'm fining you {{PDollar}}1 million if you're late! Oh, jeez! Forgot something!"''

*In his room:
''"...I'd better take my [[Bag]] and {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Journal}}, too... Oh, hey, <player>! We're going to the lake! I'll be waiting for on the road! It's a {{PDollar}}10 million fine if you're late!"''

====={{rt|201|Sinnoh}}=====
''"Hey, you saw that news report that was on TV, right? You know, "Search for the [[Red Gyarados]]! The mysterious appearance of the furious Pokémon in a lake!" That show got me to thinking. I'll bet our local lake has a Pokémon like that in it, too! So, that's what we're gonna do. We'll go find a Pokémon like that!"''

*If the player attempts to walk into the tall grass:
''"Remember what your mother said? Mom: "<player>! Don't go into the tall grass!" "Remember, wild Pokémon may attack you if you're walking in tall grass." "It would be OK if you had your own Pokémon, but...""''

*After the events at Lake Verity:
''"Hey, it's those people! Is that old guy staring at us?"''

''"What was all that craziness about? I mean, if he was angry, he could've just yelled at us, or whatever... And didn't he want their Pokémon back...? <player>... We should go home, too...

=====[[Verity Lakefront]]=====
*Before the events at Lake Verity
''"All right! To the lake! Let's find us a red Gyarados!

*After the events at Lake Verity:
''"..You go ahead ...I know we have to go return these Pokémon. They're not ours. But I want to spend just a little more time with this little guy..."''

:*If spoken to:
''"I wish I could grow tougher with this little guy..."''

''"I don't feel like talking... Let's go. ...Are we maybe walking slower than when we went to the lake?"''

:*If the player attempts to enter Lake Verity:
''"Hey, hey! Where do you think you're going? We have to go return these Pokémon..."''

=====[[Lake Verity]]=====
''"What's going on...?"''

''"What was that about? Those two... Huh? <player>! Let's go check this out! ... ... What's that? Don't go into the tall grass? No problem, no problem! We won't be in there long enough for a wild Pokémon to come out."''

''"It's... A briefcase? Those people forgot it here. What are we supposed to do with it? We can try to deliver it, but who are they? I heard them say professor..."''

''"Waaah! Po-Pokémon?! What's going on?!"''

*When selecting a Pokémon:
''"Look! These are Poké Balls! Let's battle using these! Eh...? Which one do you want then?"''

*After the battle:
''"Fwaaah! Your {{p|Turtwig}}/{{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}} totally rocked! But my Chimchar/Piplup/Turtwig was way tougher than yours! ...They were other people's Pokémon, though... But we had to use them... They won't mind, will they?"''

''"What was that about? I don't know what's going on. <player>, let's get out of here. My Pokémon got hurt from that battle. If we get attacked by another Pokémon, we might be in trouble."''

===In {{game|Platinum}}===
====Pokémon====
This listing is for Barry's Pokémon in the most recent video game in which he has appeared.

=====First battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 201
|locationname=Route 201
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=390
|pokemon=Chimchar
|type1=Fire
|gender=male
|ability=Blaze
|level=5
|move1=Scratch
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 201
|locationname=Route 201
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=393
|pokemon=Piplup
|type1=Water
|gender=male
|ability=Torrent
|level=5
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 201
|locationname=Route 201
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=387
|pokemon=Turtwig
|type1=Grass
|gender=male
|ability=Overgrow
|level=5
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Withdraw
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Second battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}900
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 203
|locationname=Route 203
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=396
|pokemon=Starly
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|level=7
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=390
|pokemon=Chimchar
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|level=9
|move1=Scratch
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}900
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 203
|locationname=Route 203
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=396
|pokemon=Starly
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|level=7
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=393
|pokemon=Piplup
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|level=9
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}900
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 203
|locationname=Route 203
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=396
|pokemon=Starly
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|level=7
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=387
|pokemon=Turtwig
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|level=9
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Withdraw
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Third battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Hearthome City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=25
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=23
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=23
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=391
|pokemon=Monferno
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|level=27
|move1=Mach Punch
|move1type=Fighting
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Flame Wheel
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Hearthome City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=25
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=23
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=23
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=394
|pokemon=Prinplup
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|level=27
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Peck
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=BubbleBeam
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Metal Claw
|move4type=Steel
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Hearthome City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=25
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=23
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=23
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=388
|pokemon=Grotle
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|level=27
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Razor Leaf
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Absorb
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Curse
|move4type=???
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Fourth battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pastoria City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=34
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=32
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=32
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=391
|pokemon=Monferno
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|level=36
|move1=Mach Punch
|move1type=Fighting
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Flame Wheel
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pastoria City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=34
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=32
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=32
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=394
|pokemon=Prinplup
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|level=36
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Peck
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=BubbleBeam
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Metal Claw
|move4type=Steel
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pastoria City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=34
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=32
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=32
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=388
|pokemon=Grotle
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|level=36
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Razor Leaf
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Absorb
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Curse
|move4type=???
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Fifth battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3800
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Canalave City
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=36
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=35
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=35
|move1=GrassWhistle
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Toxic Spikes
|move4type=Poison
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Guts
|level=37
|move1=Aerial Ace
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Horn Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=392
|pokemon=Infernape
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|level=38
|move1=Brick Break
|move1type=Fighting
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Flame Wheel
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3800
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Canalave City
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=36
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=35
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=35
|move1=GrassWhistle
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Guts
|level=37
|move1=Aerial Ace
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Horn Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=395
|pokemon=Empoleon
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Steel
|ability=Torrent
|level=38
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Peck
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=BubbleBeam
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Metal Claw
|move4type=Steel
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3800
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Canalave City
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=36
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=35
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=35
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Guts
|level=37
|move1=Aerial Ace
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Horn Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=389
|pokemon=Torterra
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Ground
|ability=Overgrow
|level=38
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Razor Leaf
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Absorb
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Curse
|move4type=???
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Sixth battle=====

{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}5100
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=48
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=47
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=49
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=48
|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=47
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=392
|pokemon=Infernape
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Blaze
|level=51
|move1=Focus Blast|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Claw|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flamethrower|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Aerial Ace|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}5100
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=47
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=49
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=48
|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=48
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=47
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=395
|pokemon=Empoleon
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Steel
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Torrent
|level=51
|move1=Brine|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Metal Claw|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Aerial Ace|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Shadow Claw|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}5100
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=48
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=47
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=47
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=48
|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=49
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=389
|pokemon=Torterra
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Ground
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Overgrow
|level=51
|move1=Leaf Storm|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Synthesis|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Weekend battles=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}6500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Survival Area
|pokemon=6

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=59
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=63
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=62
|move1=Megahorn|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=61
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=57
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=392
|pokemon=Infernape
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Blaze
|level=65
|move1=Focus Blast|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Claw|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flamethrower|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Aerial Ace|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}6500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Survival Area
|pokemon=6

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=59
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=63
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=62
|move1=Megahorn|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=61
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=61
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=395
|pokemon=Empoleon
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Steel
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Torrent
|level=65
|move1=Hydro Pump|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Metal Claw|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Drill Peck|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Shadow Claw|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}6500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Survival Area
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=61
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=59
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=59
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=62
|move1=Megahorn|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=63
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=389
|pokemon=Torterra
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Ground
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Overgrow
|level=65
|move1=Leaf Storm|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

After the [[Elite Four]] are defeated 10 times, Barry's Pokémon's [[level]]s each increase by 10, and his reward money is {{pdollar}}7500. After they are defeated 20 times, his Pokémon gain 10 further levels and his payout is {{pdollar}}8500.

====Quotes====
{{incomplete|section}}
'''[[Twinleaf Town]]'''
*Player's house
:''"There you are! Hey, <player>! Did you just see the TV? Sure you did! Prof. Rowan's that really important guy who studies Pokémon, right? That means he must have lots and lots of Pokémon. So, if we ask him, I bet he'd give us some Pokémon! Oh, hey! Is this a new PC?! Uh... Where was I? Oh, right, right! We're going to go see Prof. Rowan and get some Pokémon. I'll be waiting outside, OK, <player>? If you're late, I'm fining you {{PDollar}}10 million!"''

*Barry's house
:''"'''Thud!''' What was that about?! Oh, hey, <player>! Hey! I'm going to see Prof. Rowan! You should come, too! And quickly! Oh, jeez! Forgot something!"''
:''"...I'd better take my [[Bag]] and {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Journal}}, too... Oh, hey, <player>! I'll be waiting for you on the road! It's a {{PDollar}}10 million fine if you're late!"''

'''{{rt|201|Sinnoh}}'''
:''"Too slow! All right! Let's get moving to Prof. Rowan's lab. ... ... What? Don't go into the grass, right? No worries! No problem! It doesn't matter that we don't have any Pokémon. Trust me on this one. I've got an idea! Now listen. You know how wild Pokémon jump out when you go into tall grass? So, what you do is, you scoot over to the next patch of grass before any wild Pokémon can appear! If we just keep dashing, we can get to [[Sandgem Town]] without running into wild Pokémon! OK, stick with me! OK, here goes! On your marks..."
:''"... ... Hey, <player>. This old guy's... It's Prof. Rowan, isn't it? What's he doing here...?"''
::'''No''': ''"Whoa, hold up! You're not making any sense here!"''
::'''Yes''': ''"Me, too! I love Pokémon, too!"''
:''"What?! You can ask a hundred times! The answer will never change! We'll both answer a hundred times, we love Pokémon! Right, <player>?"''
::'''No''': ''"... That joke's getting old!"
::'''No''':
:''"...Uh... Well, I, uh... ... ...Well, then forget about me, but give a Pokémon to my friend here! I mean, it was me who tried to go into the tall grass and all..."''
:''"Really?! Prof. Rowan! I can't believe it! I'm so happy now that I can't keep a straight face! Hey, <player>. You can choose first. Hey, I'm practically a grown-up. I have to show some class here."''
:''"Then, I choose you! I'm picking this {{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}}/{{p|Turtwig}}!"''

*Before battle
:''"How do you like that? Prof. Rowan's really nice. On TV, he seems so stern and scary. Heheh, <player>! We've both got Pokémon now. There's only one thing to do, right? Are you up for this?"''
::'''No''': ''"What's with that attitude? Don't be that way!"''
::'''Yes''': ''"I've always wanted to say this... The time has finally come! <player>! I challenge you to a battle!"''

*During battle (the first non-KO hit)
:''"What in the...?! That one hurt, you!"''
*During battle (less than half HP)
:''"No way! We can keep going! This is where we hit our stride!"''

*When defeated
:''"What are you saying?! We ended up losing?!"''

*After being defeated
:''"Whew! Let's go home. I'm beat after that battle. My Pokémon needs rest, too. See ya, <player>!"''

:''"Too slow! <player>, I'm sick of waiting! I'm going to go see Prof. Rowan, so I can thank him properly. So, I had this great idea. Listen up, OK? You know that lake where we always play at? You know how they say a legendary Pokémon lives there? You guessed it! Let's catch that Pokémon. That'll make Prof. Rowan happy. I'm sure of that! Me and you together, we've got nothing to fear!"''

*{{tt|When walking|either Route 201 or Verity Lakefront}}:
:''"That Pokémon battle... Wasn't that wickedly fun or what? I mean, I'd pick the moves, and my Pokémon would use them! Yeah, I'm going to battle tons and get real close with Pokémon."''
:''"Pokémon all have different moves, huh? A Trainer makes his Pokémon battle by ordering them to use moves. That's just so awesomely cool."''
:''"Do you believe it? I can hardly believe it. You and me, we're Pokémon Trainers all of a sudden. Man, we've got tons to learn about being a Trainer. But seeing this Poké Ball with this {{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}}/{{p|Turtwig}} inside... It makes me feel like I can do anything! Nothing's impossible!
:''"That lake has a mirage Pokémon living in it. Everyone says it's just a legend, but I know I'm right."''
:''"Hey, do you know about the [[Pokémon Champion|Champion]]? There's this out-of-this-world tough Trainer who gets called that. Well, I'm gonna get so tough, the Champ has to battle me. You watch! With this little guy here, I'm sure I can get that tough."''
:''"Hey, that's enough talking already. I'm itching to go to the lake. Come on, come on!"''

'''[[Verity Lakefront]]'''
:''"All right! We're at the lake! Get ready, because we're capturing that legendary Pokémon. Trust me on this one. It's here. It even says so on the sign!"''

'''[[Lake Verity]]'''
:''"What's going on...?"''

:''"What was that about? Weird guy... OK, <player>! Let's catch that legendary Pokémon!"''

:''"! Did you hear that, <player>?! That was the legendary Pokémon crying! That had to be it! OK! This is our chance! Let's catch it! ...Wait! What...?! We don't have anything on us! You know, Poké Balls! P-O-K-accent-E Balls! If we don't have those, we can't catch Pokémon or take them around with us! ...Do you think Prof. Rowan'd give us some if we asked him? You know, you remember what he said, don't you? He said to visit him at his lab if we needed anything. OK, <player>! I'll race you! First one to the professor's lab in Sandgem Town rules!"''

'''[[Sandgem Town]]'''
:''"'''Thud!!''' What the... Oh, it's you, <player>! That old guy... He's not scary so much as he is totally out there! Aww, it doesn't matter, <player>. I'm out of here. See you later!"''

'''[[Pokémon academy|Trainers' school]] in [[Jubilife City]]'''
:''"Hey, <player>! Did you come to study, too? I went ahead and memorized everything that was up on the blackboard. After all, it's the Trainer's job to avoid having their precious Pokémon hurt in battle, right? So, <player>, what brings you? Huh? You've got [[Parcel|something]] for me? So, what is this...? Score! It's a [[Town Map]]! Huh?! Why are there two in here? I like it a lot, but I don't need two. Here, <player>, you take one! Hm... Well, according to the Town Map, I guess [[Oreburgh City]] is where I should be going next. There's a [[Oreburgh City Gym|Gym]], so it'd be perfect for raising the Pokémon I just caught. Well, I'm on the road to becoming the greatest Trainer of all time! See you around!"''

'''{{rt|203|Sinnoh}}'''
*Before battle
:''"Hey! <player>! Tell me you got a little tougher! Me? Do you even need to ask? Of course I got tougher! Come on! I'll demonstrate it to you!"''

*During battle (the first non-KO hit)
:''"Don't get cocky! This isn't over yet!"''
*During battle (less than half HP)
:''"My Pokémon's getting low on HP... Things could get tight here."''

*When defeated
:''"What just happened? I lost?!"''

*After being defeated
:''"Waah! What do you mean I lost?! Well, that's it! That's the last time I'll ever lose! I'm going to be the world's toughest Trainer, and you know it! The first thing to do is take on the Oreburgh City Pokémon Gym! I'm gonna toughen up for that, totally!"''

'''[[Oreburgh City]]'''
:''"Hunh? Oh, it's you, <player>! You finally got here? You're slow like always. But, anyway, the [[Roark|Gym Leader's]] tough! Like, seriously serious! If the Gym Leader's this tough, I wonder how he compares to my [[Tower Tycoon Palmer|dad]]... Huh? I just drifted there. Anyway, the Gym Leader's gone off to the [[Oreburgh Mine|coal mine]]. If you want to take on the Gym Leader, you'd better go off to the mine!"''

:''"I told you, the Gym Leader went down to the Oreburgh Mine. If you want to take the Gym challenge, you have to go down to the mine."''

:''"'''Thud!!''' Whoops! <player>! You got the [[Coal Badge|Gym Badge]], huh? [[Eterna City]] is the next place with a [[Eterna City Gym|Gym]] that gives away [[Badge|Badges]], right? So, yeah, I went to {{rt|207|Sinnoh}}, but you can't go there without a [[Bicycle]]. I made my team battle and toughened them up, so it wasn't a waste. So, I'm going back to Jubilife City. Next stop, the [[Forest Badge|Eterna Gym Badge]]! Ten seconds before I dash! Nine... Bah! Who's got time to count?!"''

'''[[Eterna City]]'''
:''"'''Thud!!''' Hey there, <player>! You came to see the Pokémon statue, right? I'll take you there! What the..."''

:''"Oh, hey! When we smacked together, a brilliant flash of inspiration came to me! An easy way to become a great Trainer! Yeah, that! All right. Listen close... Make certain all your attacks hit! Avoid enemy attacks for sure! You do that, you'd never lose! You'd be the invincible Trainer! Anyway, go check out the Pokémon statue. See you around!"''

'''[[Survival Area]]'''
*Before battle
:''"Hey, <player>! You aren't the only one getting tougher! I'll prove it to you! Let's go!"''

*When defeated
:''"What just went down?! You told me I've just lost again?!"''

*After being defeated
:''"...! It's alright, though. Keep getting tougher <player>. The more you do, the tougher my Pokémon and I get too. There's no end to Pokémon. That's what I'm saying, <player>!"''

==Sprites==
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|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #629C20; background: #FFE683; width:80px"| [[File:Jun.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #629C20; background: #FFE683; width:80px"| [[File:Pearl_back.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #629C20; background: #FFE683; width:80px"| [[File:RivalPlatinum.gif]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Barry sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl}}
| Back sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl}}
| Barry sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Platinum Version|Platinum}}
|}

==Optional names for Barry==
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #e08040;"
! Language !! Diamond !! Pearl !! Platinum
|-
||English
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Barry''
* ''Damion''
* ''Tyson''
* ''Markus''
||
* ''Clint''
* ''Ralph''
* ''Lewis''
* ''Tommy''
||
* ''Barry''
* ''Nolan''
* ''Roy''
* ''Gavin''
|-
|| Japanese
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ジュン ''Jun''
* シゲル ''Shigeru''
* コウジ ''Kōji''
* トシノブ ''Toshinobu''
||
* ヒサシ ''Hisashi''
* ソウスケ ''Sōsuke''
* アキト ''Akito''
* ノゾム ''Nozomu''
||
* ジュン ''Jun''
* テツジ ''Tetsuji''
* ヒロノブ ''Hironobu''
* ヨシノリ ''Yoshinori''
|-
|| French
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Enzo''
* ''Yan''
* ''Marcus''
* ''Niels''
||
* ''Romain''
* ''Quentin''
* ''Mattéo''
* ''Alexis''
||
* ''Enzo''
* ''Théo''
* ''Cédric''
* ''Jacob''
|-
|| German
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Lutz''
* ''Gary''
* ''Marco''
* ''Jochen''
||
* ''Dirk''
* ''Arnold''
* ''Armin''
* ''Bastian''
||
* ''Lutz''
* ''Gary''
* ''Marco''
* ''Jochen''
|-
|| Italian
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Alvise''
* ''Gary''
* ''Marzio''
* ''Markus''
||
* ''Clint''
* ''Ruggero''
* ''Livio''
* ''Tommaso''
||
* ''Alvise''
* ''Rolando''
* ''Ricky''
* ''Gino''
|-
|| Spanish
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Israel''
* ''Rosendo''
* ''Marcos''
* ''Uriel''
||
* ''Germán''
* ''Pablo''
* ''Fabio''
* ''Ignacio''
||
* ''Israel''
* ''Rosendo''
* ''Marcos''
* ''Joni''
|-
|| Korean
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* 용식 ''Yongsik''
* 바람 ''Baram''
* 효지 ''Hyoji''
* 재준 ''Jaejun''
||
* 무현 ''Muhyeon''
* 조연 ''Joyeon''
* 조인 ''Join''
* 정무 ''Jeongmu''
||
* 용식 ''Yongsik''
* 바람 ''Baram''
* 효지 ''Hyoji''
* 재준 ''Jaejun''
|}

In the Japanese versions, if the {{player}} doesn't give a name for the rival, he will be automatically named パール ''Pearl'' in Diamond. In Pearl, the name ダイヤ ''Dia'' is automatically given. In Platinum, either Dia or Pearl will be randomly selected. The same is the case for other versions of the games, choosing either "Diamond" or "Pearl" based on the game being played. The only reason the Japanese games use ダイヤ rather than the full ダイヤモンド for "Diamond" is because a Trainer's name is restricted to five characters in Japan, while elsewhere the restriction is seven.
[[File:Barry.png|right|250px|thumb|Barry in the anime.]]

==In the anime==
{{main|Barry (anime)}}
In the anime, there is a character based on Barry, sharing both his name and his characteristics. He debuts in ''[[DP101|Barry's Busting Out All Over!]]'' and ends up as one of {{Ash}}'s rivals.

==Manga counterparts==
Barry has had counterparts appear in several [[Pokémon manga]].

* In [[Pokémon Adventures]], he has a counterpart named {{Adv|Pearl}}.
* In [[Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Adventure!]], there is a recurring character which shares Barry's likeness and Japanese name, {{OBP|Jun|DPA}}.
* In {{OBP|Pocket Monsters DP|Kosaku Anakubo}}, he has a counterpart named {{OBP|Kazuki|Pocket Monsters DP}}.

==In the TCG==
This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring Barry or his Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].
{| {{bluetable}}
|- style="background: #e08040;"
!Name
!Type
!Level
!Rarity
!Set
!Set no.
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{TCG ID|Diamond & Pearl|Rival|113}} || rowspan=2 | Su || rowspan=2 | – || rowspan=2 | {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Diamond & Pearl}} || 113/130
|-
| {{TCG|Secret Wonders}} || 124/132
|}

==Trivia==
* Barry has achieved a high score of 2000 at [[Pal Park]], which serves as the default high score.
* Among the default names for him in the Japanese version of [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Pokémon Diamond]] is Shigeru, one of the names that are default in both [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Pokémon Red]] and [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|Pokémon FireRed]] for {{ga|Blue}}. "{{Gary}}" is also one of the optional names for him in the German and Italian-language versions of Pokémon Diamond. Gary's Korean Name, 바람 ''Baram'' can also be found among optional names for him in Korean-language version.
* All Japanese default names for Barry come from game staff members' first names. They are all listed in the game's credits. Jun is from '''[[Junichi Masuda]]''', production director and music composer. Shigeru is from '''Shigeru Ōmori''', game design leader. Kōji comes from '''Kōji Nishino''', a game designer. Toshinobu is from '''Toshinobu Matsumiya''', game scenario author. Hisashi is from '''Hisashi Sogabe''', battle system programmer. Sōsuke is from '''Sōsuke Tamada''', field system programmer. Akito is from '''Akito Mori''', communication system programmer and Nozomu is from '''Nozomu Saito''', also one of the programmers.
* Although Barry can only be battled on weekends, if the player saves the game in front of him on a Sunday in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, he can still be battled on weekdays if the player does not leave the Fight Area during the periods of time in between. This was corrected in {{game|Platinum}}.
* Barry has an orange [[Pokétch]], but an old lady in [[Oreburgh City]] states that blue and pink are the only colors that are produced by [[The Pokétch Company]].
* Unlike rivals for the [[Generation II]] and {{gen|III}} games, who have had only cameo appearances at best, Barry has a {{an|Barry|major anime counterpart}}, an honor held by no game rival since {{ga|Blue}}.
* Barry's Heracross's [[ability]] changes in sixth and weekend battles. On the fifth battle, its ability is {{a|Guts}}, while at sixth battle and on, its ability is {{a|Swarm}}.

{{Rival characters}}
{{NPC|orange|sinnoh=yes}}
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Rival characters]]
[[Category:Diamond and Pearl characters]]
[[Category:Platinum characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

[[de:Perl (Spielcharakter)]]
[[es:Rival DP]]
[[fr:Barry (jeux vidéo)]]
[[ja:ライバル (ダイヤモンド・パール・プラチナ)]]

Talk:Blue Eyes

2011-10-23T03:35:21Z

Chocos0: /* Imrpovements */ new section

Shouldn't Blue Eyes be added to the Ranger 3 NPC template since she is demoted from the Pinchers? ----[[User:Sparen|Sparen]] 20:56, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
:Well she was still a member...(also why doesn't the Pokemon Pinchers have a template? I'm making one right now...) [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:58, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

== Imrpovements ==

:How would improvements be made? I would spend time fixing all stubs for things that I know, but first I need to know what is needed. [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 03:35, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Zesty Cactus/Archive 5

2011-10-22T07:54:15Z

Chocos0: /* Project Manga question */ new section

<div class="usermessage" width="100%" align="center">'''The requirements to become autoconfirmed are based on both your number of edits and how long you've been a member of the site. The exact requirements are a secret, so I can't tell you, sorry! 
Feel free to ask me anything else, though. I check my messages daily.''' </div>

* [[User talk:Zesty Cactus/Archive 1|Archive 1]]: June 2008-November 2009
* [[User talk:Zesty Cactus/Archive 2|Archive 2]]: November 2009-February 2010
* [[User talk:Zesty Cactus/Archive 3|Archive 3]]: February 2010-September 2010
* [[User talk:Zesty Cactus/Archive 4|Archive 4]]: September 2010-February 2011

==Trouble User==
Could you please talk to user {{u|Fojames}} since he is doing something that I warned him not to. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 06:49, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

== AIM ==

Can you pop up asap? ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 16:10, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:You still there? We need you, if you've sometime then please come on aim. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''エイデ''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''ィニズ''']]♪♫ 16:26, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
::Gah, sorry, I had left the computer D: is there anything you still need me for? :P [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 18:54, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

==Deletion==
I took care of the Petilil stuff with the cards so you can go ahead and get rid of the redirects of it's japanese game and set up it's category. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 05:42, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
:It's done. Thanks for your help :) [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 06:12, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

==BW Episodes==
Since I have my hands full deal with minor changes involving Dwebble, could you handle the BW episodes on the grounds that it is part of the recurring cast and I don't have time to read over everything in the summaries. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 07:13, 2 March 2011 (UTC)
:It's done. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 07:22, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

==Pignite picture==
On the Tackle page there is a Chaoboo picture which I can't update to Pignite without causing it to red link. Could you take a look at it? -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 17:16, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
:Neither the Tackle nor the Take Down image had been moved yet... I just did it, should work now. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 17:19, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
::Thank you. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 17:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

==B/W Checklist==
Just spent the last hour and a half confirming all Generation V English names are given their proper updates. So there's another part of the project done. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 08:23, 6 March 2011 (UTC)
:Also I have to ask how the picture project is going. Though I helped find and helped get rid of the pictures without causing redlinks, I don't know how many are left. -[[User:Tyler53841|Tyler53841]] 09:34, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

== Moving Fake Card Article ==
Phew! For a second there I thought someone deleted it. I completely forgot to ask to get it officialized too, so I'm glad it's official now. :3 And no, I don't mind if it was edited (back when it was still in my userspace :P) -- [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 23:58, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
:No problem! You did a good job :D [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 06:20, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

==Ahem... ==

[[Pokémon RéBURST|I was just wondering if you could add this to the epicode page]] [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 23:40, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
:Done. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 04:34, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

== Small request ==

<strike>Hey Zesty. :D I believe {{u|Ass Ketchup|this user}} violates the "keep usernames user appropriate" rule. Would you mind taking care of this? Thanks~ ^^ [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 17:54, 30 May 2011 (UTC)</strike>
:Nevermind, Deth got him. [[Typhlosion (Pokémon)|★]][[User:Jo The Marten|Jo the Marten]][[Flygon (Pokémon)|★]] [[User_Talk:Jo The Marten|ಠ_ಠ]][[Cilan (anime)|♥]] 19:13, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
::Haha sorry i had stepped away from the computer, thanks for letting me know though. [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 21:33, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

== Ahem... ==

Since you're the leader of Project Manga now (shouldn't the project page be changed as well?)...I guess I should say 1) grats and 2) I have articles that need mainspacing. [[User:Ataro/Gigi|One]] and [[User:Ataro/Hareta's Minun|two]]. Apologies if I'm bothering. [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 01:24, 14 September 2011 (UTC)
:Articles moved! I wasn't going to change it until Ron said it was okay...I should probably ask him about it sometime soon i guess lol. Also don't worry man! You are never bothering! Thanks for all your hard work. \o/ [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 03:04, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

== Project Manga ==

Hi Zesty, just letting you know that your services as Interim Project Leader of Project Manga are no longer required. We thank you for your time and effort, and would like to congratulate you on your upgrade to full Project Leader of Project Manga! Hope you have a great day, - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''-''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] - 22:49, 19 October 2011 (UTC)
:Badass. Thank you!! I will do my best with a smile for everyone :P [[Special:Contributions/Zesty Cactus|--]][[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:45, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

== Project Manga question ==

* Hii Zesty! Since you were the one to ask questions about the Project Manga ways of editing, I have a question about.. Well.. Editing. Under cameos, PS430, would the shadows of the pokemon mentioned be considered a cameo? Plus, I'll have many more questions to come =) [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 07:54, 22 October 2011 (UTC)

PS430

2011-10-22T07:49:53Z

Chocos0: /* Errors */

{{PokémonAdventuresInfobox|
title_en=VS Rotom (Heat, Wash, Mow, Fan, Frost)|
title_ja=VS ロトム (ヒート・ウオッシュ・カット・スピン・フロスト)|
title_ro=VS. Rotom (Heat, Wash, Cut, Spin, Frost) |
image=PS430.png|
chapter=Platinum |
volume=39 |
number=430 |
location=[[Sinnoh Route 205|Route 205]] |
prev_round=VS Dragonite |
next_round=Unknown|
}}

'''VS. Rotom (Heat, Wash, Mow, Fan, Frost)''' (Japanese: '''VS ロトム (ヒート・ウオッシュ・カット・スピン・フロスト)''' ''VS. Rotom (Heat, Wash {{tt|Cut|Mow}}, {{tt|Spin|Fan}}, Frost)'') is the 430th round of the {{chap|Platinum}} in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga.

== Synopsis ==

== Major events ==
* Diamond and Pearl go to find Rotom.
* Diamond and Pearl recruit Rotom into joining them.
* Marley appears with [[Oak's Letter]].
=== Debuts ===
==== Pokémon debuts ====
== Characters ==
=== Humans ===
* {{adv|Diamond}}
* {{adv|Pearl}}
* Sinnoh Pokémon Association Chairman
* [[Dr. Footstep]]
* [[Professor Rowan]] (flashback)
* [[Marley]]
* [[Paka and Uji]]
* [[Argenta]]
* [[Palmer]]
* [[Darach]]
* [[Caitlin]]
* [[Buck]]
* [[Looker]]
* [[Mira]]
* [[Cheryl]]
* [[Marley]]
* [[Thorton]]
* [[Riley]]
* {{adv|Pearl}} (flashback)

====Cameos====

=== Pokémon ===
* {{p|Regigigas}} (Gi; Diamond's)
* {{p|Dialga}} (flashback)
* {{p|Palkia}} (flashback)
* {{p|Lickilicky}} (Tung; Diamond's)
* {{p|Chatot}} ([[Chatler]]; Pearl's)
* {{p|Gastly}}
* {{p|Rotom}} (Joins Diamond and Pearl)
* {{p|Diglett}} (Dighiko; Pearl's)
* {{p|Torterra}} ([[Tru]]; Diamond's)
* {{p|Munchlax}} (Lax; Diamond's)
* {{p|Turtwig}} ([[Tru]]; Diamond's) (flashback)
* {{p|Tauros}} (Tauhiko; Pearl's)
* {{p|Arcanine}} (Marley's)
* {{p|Buizel}} (Uji's)
* {{p|Burmy}} (Paka's)
* {{p|Giratina}}

== Trivia ==
==Errors==
* When Diamond and Pearl are being attacked by Frost Rotom, Diamond orders Lax to use {{m|Razor Leaf}}, instead of Tru, who actually uses the move.

{{stub|Manga}}

PS429

2011-10-22T07:48:58Z

Chocos0: /* Pokémon debuts */

{{PokémonAdventuresInfobox|
title_en=VS Dragonite|
title_ja=VS カイリュー |
title_ro=VS. Kairyu |
image=PS429.png|
chapter=Platinum |
volume=39 |
number=429 |
location=[[Battle Frontier (Generation IV)|Battle Frontier]] |
prev_round=VS Ledian |
next_round=VS Rotom (Heat, Wash, Mow, Fan, Frost)|
}}

'''VS. Dragonite''' (Japanese: '''VS カイリュー''' ''VS. {{tt|Kairyu|Dragonite}}'') is the 429th round of the {{chap|Platinum}} in the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga.

== Synopsis ==

== Major events ==
* Platinum defeats Argenta.
=== Debuts ===
==== Pokémon debuts ====
* Argenta's {{p|Dragonite}}

== Characters ==
=== Humans ===
* {{adv|Platinum}}
* [[Argenta]]
* [[Palmer]]
* [[Darach]]
* [[Caitlin]]
* [[Buck]]
* [[Looker]]
* [[Mira]]
* [[Cheryl]]
* [[Marley]]
* [[Thorton]]
* [[Riley]]
* {{adv|Pearl}} (flashback)
====Cameos====

=== Pokémon ===
* {{p|Dragonite}} (Argenta's)
* {{p|Froslass}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Pachirisu}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Cherrim}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Empoleon}} ({{OP|Platinum|Empoleon}})
* {{p|Rapidash}} ({{OP|Platinum|Rapidash}})
* {{p|Lopunny}} (Platinum's)
* {{p|Blissey}} (Cheryl's)
* {{p|Arcanine}} (Marley's)
* {{p|Lucario}} ({{OP|Riley|Lucario}})

== Trivia ==
==Errors==

{{stub|Manga}}

Pokémon Adventures volume 39

2011-10-22T07:43:22Z

Chocos0: /* Battle Frontier battles */

{{VolumePrevNext|
number=39|
last=yes|
series=Pokémon Adventures |
colorscheme=Platinum}}
{{VolumeInfobox |
image=Pokémon Adventures JP volume 39.png |
number=39 |
series=Pokémon Adventures |
chapters=[[PS423]] - [[PS430]]|
chapter=Platinum |
}}

'''Volume 39''' is the thirty-ninth volume of the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga and the second volume in the {{chap|Platinum}}. It is authored by 日下秀憲 [[Hidenori Kusaka]] and illustrated by 山本サトシ [[Satoshi Yamamoto]].

==Publications==
{{publications/h|Platinum}}
{{publications|cover=Pokémon Adventures JP volume 39.png|edition=First|country=Japan|company=Shōgakukan|date=July 28, 2011|ISBN=9784091413147}}
|}

==Rounds==
* [[PS423|Round 423 - VS Togekiss]]
* [[PS424|Round 424 - VS Empoleon]]
* [[PS425|Round 425 - VS Heatran]]
* [[PS426|Round 426 - VS Kakuna]]
* [[PS427|Round 427 - VS Seedot]]
* [[PS428|Round 428 - VS Ledian]]
* [[PS429|Round 429 - VS Dragonite]]
* [[PS430|Round 430 - VS Rotom]]

==Important events==
* [[Charon]] takes control of {{p|Heatran}} and defeats [[Buck]] and [[Looker]], causing them to be hospitalized.
* The [[Pokémon Association]] enlist the [[Elite Four]] to decipher Charon's notebook.
* {{adv|Diamond}} and {{adv|Pearl}} go on a journey to find the [[legendary Pokémon]] of [[Sinnoh]] and protect them from Charon.
* Diamond and Pearl recruit {{p|Rotom}}.
* [[Paka and Uji]] are confirmed to be alive and well inside of the [[Distortion World]].
* {{p|Giratina}} enters the Sinnoh region, in [[Eterna City]]

==Battle Frontier battles==
* {{adv|Platinum}} defeats Frontier Brains [[Dahlia]], [[Thorton]], and [[Argenta]].

==Trivia==
* The Pokémon featured in the cover of this volume are of the same [[type]] as {{adv|Platinum}}'s Pokémon. {{p|Pachirisu}} and {{p|Rotom}} are {{type2|Electric}}, {{p|Cherrim}} and {{p|Shaymin}} are {{type2|Grass}}, {{p|Frosslass}}, {{p|Giratina}} and Rotom are {{type2|Ghost}}.
** Also, Cherrim and Shaymin are Pokémon with two forms each.

{{stub|Manga}}
{{-}}
[[Category:Pokémon Adventures volumes|39]]

Pokémon Adventures volume 39

2011-10-22T07:43:05Z

Chocos0: /* Important events */

{{VolumePrevNext|
number=39|
last=yes|
series=Pokémon Adventures |
colorscheme=Platinum}}
{{VolumeInfobox |
image=Pokémon Adventures JP volume 39.png |
number=39 |
series=Pokémon Adventures |
chapters=[[PS423]] - [[PS430]]|
chapter=Platinum |
}}

'''Volume 39''' is the thirty-ninth volume of the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga and the second volume in the {{chap|Platinum}}. It is authored by 日下秀憲 [[Hidenori Kusaka]] and illustrated by 山本サトシ [[Satoshi Yamamoto]].

==Publications==
{{publications/h|Platinum}}
{{publications|cover=Pokémon Adventures JP volume 39.png|edition=First|country=Japan|company=Shōgakukan|date=July 28, 2011|ISBN=9784091413147}}
|}

==Rounds==
* [[PS423|Round 423 - VS Togekiss]]
* [[PS424|Round 424 - VS Empoleon]]
* [[PS425|Round 425 - VS Heatran]]
* [[PS426|Round 426 - VS Kakuna]]
* [[PS427|Round 427 - VS Seedot]]
* [[PS428|Round 428 - VS Ledian]]
* [[PS429|Round 429 - VS Dragonite]]
* [[PS430|Round 430 - VS Rotom]]

==Important events==
* [[Charon]] takes control of {{p|Heatran}} and defeats [[Buck]] and [[Looker]], causing them to be hospitalized.
* The [[Pokémon Association]] enlist the [[Elite Four]] to decipher Charon's notebook.
* {{adv|Diamond}} and {{adv|Pearl}} go on a journey to find the [[legendary Pokémon]] of [[Sinnoh]] and protect them from Charon.
* Diamond and Pearl recruit {{p|Rotom}}.
* [[Paka and Uji]] are confirmed to be alive and well inside of the [[Distortion World]].
* {{p|Giratina}} enters the Sinnoh region, in [[Eterna City]]

==Battle Frontier battles==

==Trivia==
* The Pokémon featured in the cover of this volume are of the same [[type]] as {{adv|Platinum}}'s Pokémon. {{p|Pachirisu}} and {{p|Rotom}} are {{type2|Electric}}, {{p|Cherrim}} and {{p|Shaymin}} are {{type2|Grass}}, {{p|Frosslass}}, {{p|Giratina}} and Rotom are {{type2|Ghost}}.
** Also, Cherrim and Shaymin are Pokémon with two forms each.

{{stub|Manga}}
{{-}}
[[Category:Pokémon Adventures volumes|39]]

Talk:Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions

2011-10-18T05:47:47Z

Chocos0: /* Clock issue? */

==First- and second-generation Pokemon==
I've been searching for a while for answers, but can't seem to find any. The Pokedex description table on each Pokemon page leads me to assume so, but can first- and second-generation Pokemon (such as Charizard or Lugia) be obtained in Sapphire and Ruby? And if so, how can this be accomplished? // [[User:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporro''''']] 21:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:By Trading with a game that can catch those Pokemon. In that example, Charizard is obtained from FireRed or LeafGreen, and Lugia from Pokemon XD.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 21:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yep. Or you ''could'' use a GameShark, but that ruins the fun. As long as you've gotten the Sapphire and Ruby in FRLG, you can trade with RS. All 386 Pokémon as of Gen III can be traded freely among Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, FireRed, LeafGreen, Colosseum, and XD, and Box can connect to R/S/E/FR/LG to do direct transfers so long as the game has 100 Pokémon caught in its Pokédex. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 04:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks, guys. You've no idea how stressed looking for a simple answer was making me. One more question, however: when you do catch said Pokemon, is a new section for a National Pokedex added or what? I'm curious to know how the games handle this. // [[User:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporro''''']] 22:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
::::In RS, as soon as a trade is made with FRLG the National Dex is unlocked. In FRLG and Emerald, the National Dex is unlocked after the Elie Four are defeated for the first time, if certain things are met. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 07:13, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== Glitch ==

With the berry glitch, this occurred on my game, but after a while It went away and now it works again. How is that possible o.O? [[User:Mickel The Vain|Mickel The Vain]] 06:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
:...odd. Good question. Maybe it's because it's a glitch, and it really does go away sometimes, but not certainly. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 07:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== Gold, Silver, and Crystal ==

Should we mention that the backspites on the Generation I and II pokemon have been revamped from G/S/C? -[[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]

Yes we should. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 03:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Um... why? The entire game was revamped just because they had a new system. The back sprites weren't changed any more than any other aspect of the game. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 03:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at {{p|Celebi}}'s back sprite for ''Ruby'' and ''Sapphire''. It's a revamped version of the original sprite in G/S/C.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 15:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

From {{p|Meowth}} to Deoxys, many of the R/B sprites are missing from the sprite tables. One day, we should fix that as a team; it would be too much work for one person.--[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 06:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:Don't you mean RS, or did you mean RB? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 19:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== Official R/S and FR/LG Sites back up ==

Pages updated to reflect this. Emerald was not put back up for some reason. [[User:Captain Skank|Captain Skank]] 22:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

== Thingamajiggy ==

Should we include the dual-slot mode Pokémon in Generation IV? I would love to. (And maybe for the other gen III games, too) [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| 1337Fire ]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE| ►strike! ]] 18:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

:I added a "Compatibility" section, and will tack this onto all articles that do not make mention of it already. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== Clock issue? ==

I read on the Silver and Gold page about the in-cartridge battery wearing out and the save files failing. Will this happen with Ruby and Sapphire games even though the in-cartridge battery only runs the clock? If so, I'd better start migrating like crazy.--[[User:QX Deoxys|QX Deoxys]] 14:57, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Late answer, too late. But I have a Ruby game that was used, from my cousin <3, thankfully. But, it has problems with the battery, but the save game file can be lost. But only if the battery has problems. (If the internal battery runs dry, that is NOT one of the problems) [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 05:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Ruby and Sapphire Versions

2011-10-18T05:45:46Z

Chocos0: /* Clock issue? */

==First- and second-generation Pokemon==
I've been searching for a while for answers, but can't seem to find any. The Pokedex description table on each Pokemon page leads me to assume so, but can first- and second-generation Pokemon (such as Charizard or Lugia) be obtained in Sapphire and Ruby? And if so, how can this be accomplished? // [[User:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporro''''']] 21:35, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
:By Trading with a game that can catch those Pokemon. In that example, Charizard is obtained from FireRed or LeafGreen, and Lugia from Pokemon XD.--[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 21:36, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
::Yep. Or you ''could'' use a GameShark, but that ruins the fun. As long as you've gotten the Sapphire and Ruby in FRLG, you can trade with RS. All 386 Pokémon as of Gen III can be traded freely among Ruby, Sapphire, Emerald, FireRed, LeafGreen, Colosseum, and XD, and Box can connect to R/S/E/FR/LG to do direct transfers so long as the game has 100 Pokémon caught in its Pokédex. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 04:02, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks, guys. You've no idea how stressed looking for a simple answer was making me. One more question, however: when you do catch said Pokemon, is a new section for a National Pokedex added or what? I'm curious to know how the games handle this. // [[User:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporro''''']] 22:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
::::In RS, as soon as a trade is made with FRLG the National Dex is unlocked. In FRLG and Emerald, the National Dex is unlocked after the Elie Four are defeated for the first time, if certain things are met. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 07:13, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== Glitch ==

With the berry glitch, this occurred on my game, but after a while It went away and now it works again. How is that possible o.O? [[User:Mickel The Vain|Mickel The Vain]] 06:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
:...odd. Good question. Maybe it's because it's a glitch, and it really does go away sometimes, but not certainly. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 07:12, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

== Gold, Silver, and Crystal ==

Should we mention that the backspites on the Generation I and II pokemon have been revamped from G/S/C? -[[User:Mr.lol|Dean]]

Yes we should. [[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 03:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:Um... why? The entire game was revamped just because they had a new system. The back sprites weren't changed any more than any other aspect of the game. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 03:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Take a look at {{p|Celebi}}'s back sprite for ''Ruby'' and ''Sapphire''. It's a revamped version of the original sprite in G/S/C.[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 15:48, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

== Sprites ==

From {{p|Meowth}} to Deoxys, many of the R/B sprites are missing from the sprite tables. One day, we should fix that as a team; it would be too much work for one person.--[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 06:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

:Don't you mean RS, or did you mean RB? [[User:Gligar|Gli]][[User talk:Gligar|gar]] 19:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== Official R/S and FR/LG Sites back up ==

Pages updated to reflect this. Emerald was not put back up for some reason. [[User:Captain Skank|Captain Skank]] 22:01, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

== Thingamajiggy ==

Should we include the dual-slot mode Pokémon in Generation IV? I would love to. (And maybe for the other gen III games, too) [[User:PH1RESTRIKE| 1337Fire ]][[User talk:PH1RESTRIKE| ►strike! ]] 18:47, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

:I added a "Compatibility" section, and will tack this onto all articles that do not make mention of it already. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 23:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

== Clock issue? ==

I read on the Silver and Gold page about the in-cartridge battery wearing out and the save files failing. Will this happen with Ruby and Sapphire games even though the in-cartridge battery only runs the clock? If so, I'd better start migrating like crazy.--[[User:QX Deoxys|QX Deoxys]] 14:57, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Late answer, too late. But I have a Ruby game that was used, from my cousin <3, thankfully. But, it has problems with the battery, but the save game file can be lost. But only if the battery has problems. [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 05:45, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Pokémon Platinum Version

2011-10-18T00:38:09Z

Chocos0: /* A mention. */

==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from November 30, 2007–September 18, 2008)

== And... The reviews are pouring in. ==

Somebody should add them to the article. I would but my computer is acting all screwy right now. All I know is Famitsu gave it a 36, the reveiwers all gave it 9's. [[User:Zabbethx|Zabbethx]] 19:16, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Well... ==

There's still a link to [[Torn World]] in here somewhere instead of [[Ruined World]], but I can't find it. It's important that we call it what it's been dubbed as by Nintendo, and that's the [[Ruined World]], not the mistranslated [[Torn World]]. So, if anyone happens to see that, would you mind changing it? Thanks. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 21:14, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:"Torn" isn't a mistranslation. Nintendo just went with something different. (Just...clearing that up...) Anyway, I don't see any links to "Torn World" after using Ctrl+F.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::ya, cause I fixed it--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 15:15, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

==Spring 2009 Rumor==

People, that magazine scan is from Beckett Magazine. The issue that is posted in is from last November, and it is the first thing listed in this page's archive.

--[[User:HoennMaster|--HoennMaster]] 03:49, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
:Beckett? Then there's ''no way'' it's going on the page.
:Got that, everyone?--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::And the English translations normally take about 6-8 months to come out anyways. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:08, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I personally agree with the rumor, but we still need reliable sources on release dates.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 04:13, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::As do I, since Pt came out in Japan two weeks before DP's second anniversary, the same thing would likely happen with the English. But yes, the Beckett rumor has been around since before JAPAN had a concrete date. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:28, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

==Resort Area Villas==
Can anyone post a pic of that? {{unsigned|Drybones}}
:A gallery isn't necesary anymore. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 06:21, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

A picture would be nice.
[[User:Drybones|Drybones]] 09:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)Drybones: A member of Team Rootbeer.
:There are a lot more things that deserve an image on this article than the villa. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 10:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== The 'Un-DeFog-able Mist' in Eterna Forest... ==

Seems more like shadows being cast by Forest Canopy than the mist, with shafts of light breaking through and leaving those patches... Using the picture of Gardenia outside the Old Chateau in the [[Eterna Forest]] article as a reference, there's even an edging to it where it thins and lets a little more light through.

[[Image:Old chateau out.PNG]]

Or am I just being crazy? --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 17:26, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
:I didn't understand... but seems like you think that it is fog? It's obvious that it's nothing but the shadows of the clouds, or the suppossed overgrown trees that cover the sky. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:28, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
::That's what Jaffa is trying to tell people. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 05:29, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I should have made myself more clear... It's listed in the 'Map Changes' section as a 'Mist' that can't be DeFog-ed and it's been bugging me for a while. I didn't want to jump right in and edit it without opening up a discussion first, just in case someone takes offense or disagrees... --[[User:JaffaJHDA|JaffaJHDA]] 10:52, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::::It needs to be changed. It's misleading. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:That screen-shot is way too dark. Seriously, that shadow is nowhere as powerful on a real {{tt|DS|DS Lite with lowest back-light setting}}. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 20:17, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't look like fog. Fog is more of a white. If it's not shadow cast by the trees, it would be smog. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 10:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:I thought I said above it was a shadow..? [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 10:25, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey...wait just a minute here. I think I see a HUGE mistake. These shadows are supposed to be coming from the froest canopy but, where are the trunks of these giant, overhead trees? All I can see here are the smaller trees lining the path. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 16:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Doesn't really matter. We'll find out when the game is realeased in English. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::Don't you have imagination? These games are RPGs!!! Houses are bigger inside than outside, don't you note it? It's because you need more imagination. Don't you remember the Ilex Forest? Those trees were even smaller than Eterna's ones, but there was a sign right after the shrine that said "Ilex Forest is dark because the trees cover the sky". It seems like they wanted to do something like that. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:11, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Of course I notice that houses are bigger on the inside. I just figure that the character (and other characters) is smaller when outside than what the sprite suggests and its inside size is the 'true' size. Well, the game makers have been making mistakes for ages; shadows with no trees to cast them. [[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 14:12, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

== Release Date ==

I added the Japanese release date to the first paragraph; if you have any problems with it, do what you wish. [[User:Mwakin21|Mwakin21]] 20:09, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== My Pokémon Ranch Patch ==

I read this on Serebii that they got info on the patch for my Pokémon ranch for japan. Its unknown if other patches will come out in different languages. It's free to upgrade notice UPGRADE which means you have to already have it. [[User:Luckario|Luckario]] 21:43, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's not released as a patch as such. I believe it will just be re-download, like other updated titles. Anyone who hasn't brought it after it gets updated, will just download the updated version. That's how I understand it anyway, and yes - I have a Wii and have updated software on it. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 11:56, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Crud.... ==

Can somebody please go through the whole Platinum article to search for spelling and grammar mistakes? I had done that yesterday, even making the same changes to the trivia entry that Hfc2x just edited, but I forgot to save, leading to the changes being lost. I don't have time in the next few days to go through again, so to whoever does, thanks! [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:32, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tense Error? ==

I went through a few bits of the article, and I saw many "will be" and other such future tense verbs. Now that the game is out, shouldn't the verbs be in the present tense? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 21:36, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:They should, but im not going to do such a boring job if you wanna go thrugh them all you can --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::Yes they should be. Thanks for looking while I was gone. And thank you to UltimateSephiroth for actually changing it. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:52, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Im so glad you found something to do on a Sunday. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:::You're welcome, though I reckon editing only a few mistakes :P UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 18:12, 3 November 2008 (UTC)
:::At least it's something. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 20:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

== Comestic "Error" Trivia ==
About that, I would like to point out that this is the Torn World.... rules need not apply. I would not be surprised if this was on purpose. Keep in mind that the Platinum Orb is the most unique item in Pokémon History... it disappears in link battles with other versions. The Orb may be seperately programmed due to this. {{Unsigned|Paperfairy}}
:Please remember to sign next time. And for the Orb, this is in the Gen IV series. They wouldn't put things like that in. And I wouldn't go as far as saying that the PO is the most unique item. There is a set place to find it, while other items, like the Light Ball or Lucky Egg, are a very low find rate, and even then, it's totally random. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:34, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

::Actually, I don't think this is an error, when I got Giratina in the Turnback Cave in Diamond, after I got back to its room, I found a Rare Bone, and when I picked it up the same thing happened, the "[PLAYER] received a Rare Bone" appears before the item disappeared. Maybe this isn't a "Cosmetic Error", it seems like its somehow linked to Giratina. [[User:Heaven Arceus|Heaven Arceus]] 01:16, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== Mom? ==

Let's discuss this, then. I believe "Mom" is refered to as Johanna in the contest hall by Keira (and during contests). Does this seem like enough reason to call her Johanna? --[[User:Blazevoir|Blaze]][[User talk:Blazevoir|voir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]]''' 01:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

:That did come to mind, but it is more practical to just say "the player's mother". [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 01:20, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I guess you're right.'''--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaze]][[User talk:Blazevoir|voir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]]''' 01:21, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Exactly, the only reason {{u|Urutapu}} is being like this is because the original edit was made by me. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Uh, Admins (usually) aren't that shallow. All the other games didn't name the player's mom, but Diamond and Pearl, and I assume Platinum, did. However, would anyone ever call their own mother by their name? No, they would call her "Mom". Therefore, Bulbapedia should probably do the same. I have mixed views about this, so I think an Admin should settle this.--[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 20:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

<big>SUCK UP</big> just cos someone is an admin doesnt mean they are right, it just means in the past they have added loads of stuff to Bulba.--[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Please stop arguing over things like this, Guardian. You've gotten into word fights with people before, and nobody likes to have to see that. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:25, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
::And your being a troll over it. YAY!--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
You know, Guardian, you would be tolerated far more if you didn't go around acting like a tool. [[User:GlinnMgraw|Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw]] 01:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

OMG people, learn some terminology, you cant just go around using words cause they seem to fit, if someone calls your a tool it means you are easily manipulated and people use you, which i am not. And a troll is someone who goes onto forums and tries to disturb it and attack people. And its not disrupting the peace to sell someone they are wrong, and sse it through, just because you lot give up your views so you can suck up and be admins doesn't mean I am a troll. Glinn, I think you are the tool. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

Just quit it guys. This isn't helping anything. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:29, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
:OMG people, learn some terminology, you cant just go around using words cause they seem to fit, if someone calls your a tool it means you are easily manipulated and people use you, which i am not. And a troll is someone who goes onto forums and tries to disturb it and attack people. And its not disrupting the peace to sell someone they are wrong, and sse it through, just because you lot give up your views so you can suck up and be admins doesn't mean I am a troll. Glinn, I think you are the tool. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
::Thanks for the great Example.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::Yes, it is rather amusing to see people attempt to make an attempt on my use of the English language, while at the same time screwing it up themselves.
:::FYI Guardian, O person who thinks they know everything, the word "tool" has more than one meaning.
:::End of the discussion. [[User:GlinnMgraw|'''Glinn]] [[User_talk:GlinnMgraw|Mgraw''']] 02:25, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

== Yay ==

Please don't touch the links for mom or Johanna in this article any more. They have been fixed by Kkllnn, and to avoid fights, don't change them again.
::And I realize that this sounds like I'm trying to be an admin, but I don't want to have things constantly changing in the articles. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:43, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

I thought these pages were to help add on to the article! Please, i'm not from Bukbapedia, but i LOVE Pokemon,so if you will please suck it up! we are all people here! Does it matter if some of us are admins?? (although i have no clue what that is)! [[User: Kasumi12]] 19:02 19 November 2008 (utc)
:The pages ARE for helping, but people were fighting over how to do the links. And I was saying I'm not an admin (administrator), but my request made me sound like I was pretending to be one. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 04:31, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
::???? How did ''I'' fix them? All I did was put a simpler link...--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| カメックス]] 21:47, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
:::People stopped changing it didn't they? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:30, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

==Wikipedia release date==
over there they say that the Europe release date is Summer 2009, can someone check its source? [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 12:12, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:The source does not say ANYTHING about the release date, not even for Japan. And you have to remember, Wikipedia isn't the best source, as anybody can go in and edit things. The Euro release date is a speculation, as is the U.S. release. We can only assume it will be released in the next year or so. The only thing said about releases in the source article is this: "If this feature makes it to the European release - and we've no reason to believe it won't - then we'll be very happy Bunearys indeed." And the quote is referencing the Wi-fi upgrades only. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Game before anime ==

the recent jap episode is clearly based on PT, you know the one with Rotom, so the game has to be released before that episode airs to follow the rule of game before anime. So if some geeks could work out when this Rotom episode should air in USA, then look around 3 months prior to that date, that would likely be the release date

::Evidence:
*In japan PT was released on Sep 13, 3 months later = dec 13, now admitedly the episode aired a little bit different than that date, but its still close. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

:Math time. The most recent episode came out about 5 months after it came out in Japan. So, based on your logic, Platinum would come out in February, right? I think that's a little too early.—[[User:Blazevoir|Blazevoir]][[User Talk:Blazevoir|Talk]]/[[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|Contribs]] 21:59, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

No, not my logic at all. How can i explain this better.

*this episode (Rotom one) is directly linked to platinum, as it is about a platinum only event.
*General rule is that the game comes out before the anime
*So if you can work out when this particular episdoe (Rotom one) will air in USA, then you know that Platinum has to come out before that.

So if there is a geek who is willing to work out when each episode will air, find out when the Rotom one airs in USA and then we know that Platinum will come out say 3 months before that. As Platinum needs to be released before an episode in the anime relating to Platinum can be released. If the general rule isnt to be broken. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:Who says they can't stop airing new episodes until Platinum is released? '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:35, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

good point, they could put the show on hiatus, although this has only happened once due to PGZ --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

If I can remember right, the dubs come out anywhere from 1-3 months after the episode shows. This'll give us untill January-March to get Platinum if you're theory is correct, Guardian. Unfortunately for us, I doubt we'll get it by then... but who knows? The Pokémon translators have pulled through at times we wouldn't expect. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:11, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:If you get Pt within three months, you Americans are very lucky. My brother just bought a DS Lite and Pokémon Diamond, and it bugs me because I decided to wait until Platinum which supposedly lands in Europe as late as next summer... Let's hope the translators have switched the turbo switch on :P '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:Why don't you just order one when they come out here then? I know it would be a bit more expensive, but you would get it at least a month, if not more, earlier. Unless you don't care THAT much. I would be spazzing out if I lived where you do, from lack of Pokémon when I needed it. :) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:20, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::I give it April, still. It comes out the same amount of time after JpPt as USDP did after JpDP... April 7. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:33, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
:::True. All we can do right now is guess and hope it comes out before we die. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:36, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

i dunno about you, but im not planning on dying next year --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:People seldom plan their death except in cases of suicide. And this is totally offtopic, so it should be stopped right here. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 22:49, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
::The anime is moving fast, so I don't know about this. Unless the developers hurry up and get the game to us, season 12 will begin without it. Already, Shaymin is being revealed, but Arceus won't be until the game is released. [[User:Bulbapedian|Bulbapedian]] - [[User talk:Bulbapedian|Talk]] 22:52, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Hehe... you guys took me too literally. I didn't really mean die. I meant we should hope it comes out in English and that the Japanses aren't selfish this time. BUT it already has an English release date, so we don't have to worry any more. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

== Possible release source ==

I dunno what you guys will think about this, but someone added to the WP article. [http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Pokemon-Platinum-Nintendo-DS-045496740177/sem/rpsm/oid/232753/rpem/ccd/productDetail.do] No idea how legit it is. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:14, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:It was immediately removed from Wikipedia because retailers make up dates. However, I doubt things like the game's features (Wi-Fi Plaza, Distortion World) came from anywhere but Nintendo. Still, I'd wait for a press release directly from Nintendo.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:08, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, Mr Boss-Guy Echidna seems to think its accurate enough. Teh page iz protected :( Now trom can't edit — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 07:24, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Damn right it's protected. Plus, Circuit City did seem to get the info straight from Ninty. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:30, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Why are you guys doubting Circuit City? If the game's good enough for them to sell it, then why would they lie? [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:39, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:From like, half an inch above: "It was immediately removed from Wikipedia because '''retailers make up dates'''." It doesn't seem to be the case ''here'', but it ''is'' the usual case.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 02:50, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, I realized that after I re-read everything on here. I tend to miss things like that when I'm tired. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 22:08, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

== Um.... problem. ==

Why are we still saying the release date is good, yet the link doesn't work any more? And yeah, I realize that this contradicts what I said above this. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:43, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:Now that's odd, they pulled the whole game from the site :S I certainly don't know whether to believe that date or not. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:46, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
::Stupid Nintendo... I think that Circuit City did that accidentally then. (Why are we on at the same time every day?) [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 21:52, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds like someone is guilty of putting up something they shouldn't have... [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 03:47, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

I checked Nintendo.com and it does not mention any release date for Pokemon Platinum in the US. So I don't think the date mentioned is accurate. [[User:drichard08|drichard08]] 14:48, 10 December 2008
:Read the bulbanews article. it was shortly taken down[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

==now I'm confused==

ok everyone is saying platinum isn't {{tt|officially|can't remember how to spell it}} revealed, but I have this weeks and last weeks {{tt|oficial|still can't remember}} nintendo magazine and they have mentioned it in both [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 23:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:Everyone knows its revealed, we're just not taking any of the info the say other than the release date seriously as there are 3 different translations of the [[Torn World]] floating around. Offical [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:43, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
Still wrong: official [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 11:34, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Spell check is your friend. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 19:51, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
:Ah the benefits of firefox. not that i use spell check though[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::The fact that Circuit City moved so fast to remove it lends credence to the release. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::I personally agree, going back on what I said before, that it was most likely a mistake that it was revealed. Either by an overenthusiastic employee, or Nintendo decided too late to not reveal the dates yet. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:51, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

==The Cruel Irony==

Beckett was right. It was right about not only Ranger 2 coming out in Fall, but they knew that Platinum would come out in Spring 2009. And to think an unofficial fan magazine knew about it before it was even revealed in Japan... [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

:General consensus was that it would be out Spring 2009. It wasn't just reported by them, it was reported by practically everyone. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 23:36, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, but this was before anyone even knew about it in Japan. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 00:15, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary encounters ==

If you read Pokemon.com's first english-texted picture of Pokémon Platinum,you will realize the text: "The Distortion World's Giratina appeared!"
Instead of the usual "wild so and so appeared!"!
I think that this will apply to all legendaries.
In my opinion it's a cool thing underlining the uniqueness of Giratina(and maybe other legendaries)
[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/f/f8/Ani407MS.gif]] 13:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... interesting. That's a new twist I didn't expect. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 16:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Do you plan on putting this in the article? If not..this doesn't need to be here. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 17:27, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
::Well, we COULD put it in either the Aesthetic or Gameplay Changes, trivia, or just leave it out for now. It just depends on if we agree it's important or not important enough. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:53, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
:::It'd be more {{tt|notable|important}} if it could be confirmed for ''all'' legends. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:36, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I've been trying to find out if it's for only the Giratina and Shaymin formes, or for all legendaries. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:45, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

== First English Screenshot ==
[[Image:English_screenshot.PNG|thumb|First screenshot]]
We have confirmation of Pokémon Platinum on Pokemon.com but we also have the first screenshot of the game. It is the battle scene of Giratina in the Distortion World. Unfortunately, I can't load upload the picture on the Bulbagarden Archives because it keeps coming up with an error. This is so exciting its closer than we think. -- [[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 06:54, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

== Trivia Section Error ==

"Platinum is the first game to be named after a metal since Pokémon Gold and Silver. However, both Gold and Silver are also considered colors, making Platinum the first game named solely after a metal."

I beg to differ. Platinum is considered as much of a color as both gold and silver. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_colors [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 04:55, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:Technically it isn't its own color. It's a silver, or a gray. It's like saying forest green and grass green are two totally different colors. They're both shades of green. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:47, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::Gold is a shade of yellow and silver is a shade of gray then. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Nos hablamos?]] 17:48, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Basically. But they were discovered as metals first, and then gold and silver eventually became colors. If you ask somebody on the streets what the color platinum looks like, a lot wouldn't know. If you ask what color IS platinum, they would know. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::::"Platinum" is still considered a color in the same sense that gold and silver are. To say that it isn't considered a color at all is both misleading and false. I've also read and heard descriptions of certain objects as being "platinum-colored", so it isn't completely unused. Regardless, this needs to be changed. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 23:24, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I agree, and I never said it wan't a color. If I did, I meant to get to the point that a lot of people don't consider it a color. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 00:37, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
:To be specific, Platinum looks like a lighter shade of silver. Basically, officially, it's a color.[[User:Hades666|Hades666]] 16:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
So why hasn't this been edited yet? [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 20:56, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

==Altered Forme==

I request that all "Another Formes" on this page be replaced with "Altered Forme," as that is the official English name. Thank you. [[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 19:58, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

:There ''are'' no instances of Another Forme on this page. Just checked. '''Edit:''' Ah. My mistake, they were previously changed. ''Merry Christmas from'' [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 20:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

==Europe Release 22 May 2009==

On the website Pokemon-France.com there is a possible Europe release date, 22 May 2009. This is not yet confirmed by Nintendo, but is likely to be the Europe release for Pokémon Platinum. [[User:Bisasam|Bisasam]] 10:02, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Is it an official website?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:09, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:: I think it's not an official Nintendo website, but Filb.de said, the source was reliable and believable. [[User:Bisasam|Bisasam]] 17:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Hmmmm... It seems likely that it is. But we shouldn't jump to conclusions yet. Wait until we have a bit more information on it.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 21:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::HMV says it's in July [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 21:20, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::well turns out it is confirmed released in Europe 22 of May [[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamate]][[User Talk:Ultamatecharizard|Charizard]] 15:47, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

== Development section ==

Sure we add a "Development" section devoted to the the stages of development and pre-release information, not just to this game page but to all the games?--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:59, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:The beta pages are there for a reason. '''[[User:Optimatum|Θρtιmαtum]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]] 12:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Hmmmm... That is true. But, unfortunately it was removed from the page [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Pok%C3%A9mon_Platinum_beta&diff=prev&oldid=583965 some time ago]. It kinda started a bit of an edit war on the page.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

== Unprotect ==

Can we unprotect the page so people can edit the article, there is still a lot of stuff to be added, stuff that has been confirmed. But I can't add it cause it's blocked. [[User:Super Max|'''Super''']][[Special:Contributions/Super Max|'''-''']][[User talk:Super Max|'''Max''']] 18:05, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, I agree. And someone needs to at the European release date, May 22, 2009.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 20:33, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, by now it should really be unprotected, I mean there's still a bit of info that needs to be added, yes, like the European release date. What admin can we get? I guess I'll put it in the page summary and if any admin sees this in recent changes, they'll hopefully check it out...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 05:52, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, I'll BUMP it. Now its times like these I wish I was an admin.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:50, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

There's a sigh... *SIGH*. When can we get it unprotected? Wait... if the admins think it should be protected until it comes out, we'll just have to live with that... I mean its just couple of edits and we're all mature people here, maybe an admin might put those edits on the page.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 11:55, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe your right. Its just one date. They will come round with themselves soon.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:03, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's not just a date, what about renaming Wi-Fi Square and Battle Recorder to their official English names (Wi-Fi Plaza and Vs. Recorder, respectively)? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 14:51, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::We're the main editing force, yet our right to edit is unfairly limited because of admins' fondness of protecting. And it's not always easy to find an admin online (especially if someone lives in Europe, just like me). There is NO REAL REASON to hold this page protected. I'm all for UNPROTECTING IT? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:48, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree. The article refers to [[Wi-Fi Plaza]] as Wi-Fi Square!--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 18:19, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Just calm down. They most likely have a good reason for keeping it protected. And if they don't, then it still isn't something to get angry about. Just wait. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 01:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::STFU! It IS something to be angry about! THERE IS NO FREAKIN' REASON TO KEEP THE PAGE PROTECTED ANYMORE! The admins just piss at us, so they don't unprotect the pages. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::So, what time is it over in Europe. Its about 10:00pm here in Australia. We need an admin who lives in one of this countries to be on at this time because I have noticed the lack of admins on at this hour.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::That means it's late and you're still not on bed. D: 7:00pm in our country. Since no admin around at this time, we should wait until someone wakes up to respond for this problem. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 11:11, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::It's currently 12 AM in my part of Europe. Yes, there's lack of admins here at this time and that's what annoys me. It's freakin' hard for me to catch an admin online, which stops me from editing really many pages. Another reason against that protect-mania among admins. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 11:12, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
They should space out the admins. There's like a clump before and there isn't any now. lol. I should go to bed shouldn't I. Its a school night too.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 11:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
::First, take it to the forums. Second, I doubt you guys could become an admin any time soon. And if you did, you'd have to change your attitudes. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 02:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
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The reason why it's staying protected until 3/22 is because people decide to jump the gun. We don't need that happening, we don't wanna waste edits to fix something that someone assumed. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

People! I agree with TTE! Take this immature "discussion" to the forums! Plus, you shouldn't talk rudely about the admins. Its their choice and I will act maturely and respect that choice. When the time for unprotection will come, I know for one that it will be the right time, plus its the time it comes out in America. I trust the admins and I look up to them. So, everyone start acting mature.--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 10:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

:Oh, so Maturity = Lickspittling! GTFO. I hate lickspittles. I still think that keeping the page protecting is just stupid. People jumping the gun? Come on, those are just n00bs. Experienced users know Bulbapedia's policies and rules and they know NOT TO jump the gun. Really, protecting pages for such reason is like... keeping a shop closed just because a thief may rob it while it's open. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:58, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Very well said, I'll keep this in mind ^^ hehe. though, one question, what is ''Lickspittling''? I can't find a translation/explanation... [Greets, [[User:MewX|mewX]] ([[User talk:MewX|TALK]])] 15:13, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

YOU, yeah YOU just don't get it...--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 21:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)
::Stop. Like I said, it's no big deal, you got your reason, now leave it alone. They protect it from ''everybody'' so the new users don't feel like everybody's hating them. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 03:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

== Email functions ==

On the Pokémon Platinum website, it doesn't have the email function appearently, just Wii message support. --[[User:Anangryzapdos|Anangryzapdos]] 11:20, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:I saw that in my game, too. Is there maybe a way to get past this?--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 19:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== Animated sprites ==

The article mistakenly informs that Platinum is the first game to have the Pokémon back sprites animated. It's untrue since that happens in every game since Emerald. Since the page is protected, a mod should correct it. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 15:15, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:They're not the same kind of animation. In The other games, they just move back and forth or get bigger or something like that. In Platinum. They actually move. Such as Pikachu for example will move it's head to look behind it. Or Azumarril will do a little dance. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 15:51, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
'''True and False, I heard that Pokémon back sprites do what they do on the front. i don't know but i will find out.''' ''Anoritian''
::What Sketch has is correct. They have different BACK animation than before, not specifically different animation from when facing the player. There may be some similarities in both front and back animation, but it doesn't really matter to add that. "Their back sprites now animate much like their front sprites" is perfectly fine. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 19:08, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
:::OK, now I understand. I didn't had the idea that I was talking about a different type of animation. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 22:27, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
== Berry Accessories ==
The prices for the Accessories you can buy in Floaroma Town are cheaper in Platinum. Should that be put in? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 16:54, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:If that is the case, then of course it should be put in. [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 12:49, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Speed of the game ==

Platinum is faster than Diamond and Pearl, no doubt. But can we consider it as fast as the [[Generation III]] games or almost as fast as them, in general and specific terms? It's because I added that information to the article yet saying "almost as fast if not as fast". [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 13:12, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:Leave it as it is. In some ways the Gen. III games are faster, while in some ways Platinum is faster. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:38, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::But still how do we consider if we put D/P in the subject? I understand you're point and it's right but talking about general speed, should we put this way: Gen III = Platinum > D/P or Gen III ≈ Platinum > D/P? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 18:30, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Nah. Saying that the gameplay is slightly faster is good enough. I'm going to reword it a little though. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:45, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Fossils in the Underground ==

How is it determined whether you get Skull or Armor Fossils in the Underground? I read in one place that it depends on your Trainer ID, but I'm not sure. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:42, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:For D/P, they're exclusive. Pearl has Armor Fossils and Diamond has Skull Fossils. For Platinum, it doesn't matter. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 17:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
::It does depend on your Trainer ID number. Odd gets the Diamond distribution, even gets the Pearl one. How lucky for me, I ended up with the Diamond one. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 18:03, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Nevermind then. I haven't bothered to try getting any fossils, so I didn't know. [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|R.A. Hunter B.]] 18:05, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

== Missing Pokémon ==

According to the missing Pokémon section of the article, the only ones missing are the Clamperl, Misdreavus, Murkrow, Trapinch, Glameow and Stunky evolution lines. I can't imagine this being true, since I doubt that any of the starters (obviously bar the Gen IV ones) or the Generation II or III Legendaries are available. Is the list incomplete, or are they in fact obtainable in Pt? I haven't played it yet (stupid Europe release date...) so could someone clear this up for me? [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 14:04, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
:Those Pokémon have an in-game location in the two previous versions, but are no longer available in Platinum. '''◄[[User:Kevzo8|Kev]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|zo8]]►''' 14:12, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, ok. Thanks for clearing that up for me. [[User:Ggled|Ggled]] 15:38, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

== Image cache? ==

Just as we did on the article on Giratina (where for each of its forms the picture changes), can we have this article have different pictures of the boxart in different languages? [[User:Joe9320|Giratina Joe]] - [[User talk:Joe9320|Question Giratina Here- DO NOT DISTURB IT]] 09:37, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Huh, guys? ==

"''Platinum's PRNG, or pseudorandom number generator, used for determining a Pokémon's personality value, is "broken", leading to the easier breeding of shiny eggs and negligence to reset in-game events such as what Trainers appear in the Battleground. This also happens with Pokémon Emerald. ''"
Just wondering, but does this mean it's more likely for normal Pokémon too produce a shiny egg, or that if two shiny Pokémon breed (or one) it'll be more likely for them to have a shiny egg? [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|サソデイ]] 19:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

== Would it mean anything if I take this off. ==

at the beginning of the article, it says it "currently awaits for other regions" or something like that. can I take that off. Do you think they will release it in any other region of the world?--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 05:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

:We're gonna keep it up until they get announced in another region, or they announce that they won't translate it any more, although that won't be likely. We've done that for the past few games. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 18:50, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

== It appears that the SHAYMIN has fled... ==

Hey, when I on the GTS, I came across a message. It was the text box for speaking in the game, and it said what the title above said. It happened when I was on the GTS selection menu (the Deposet a Pokémon, search for a Pokémon, and leave menu). I asking if this has happened to anyone, and if they know how this happened. --[[User:Spritemaster|Spritemaster]] 1:09:37 23 August 2009 (UTC)

== I need a second opinion about this. ==

I was looking, this is a minor detail but the English Pokémon logo on Platinum is actually brighter then on DP.--[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]] 22:22, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
:Never mind that's not good for trivia so scratch that.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight Blue]]''' 03:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== You guys over exaggerated how Team Galactic act in this game ==

So I noticed that in this section, you guys wrote this: "Team Galactic's plans for world domination and the layouts of their HQs, such as the one in Eterna, have been changed. '''In addition, they openly recognize their goal and are more openly villainous.'''" Um, what? Seriously, wtf? Are you guys trying to make Platinum's plot sound more "mature" and "cool"? They don't recognize their "goal" anymore than they do in Diamond/Pearl. And "openly villainous"? '''Seriously'''? Just because you blow up the Great Marsh doesn't mean you're openly villainous O_o... Sounds to me like whoever wrote that is trying to make the game seem more "mature" and "hip". Because the plot isn't ''that'' different from Diamond & Pearl. --Chaos Rush 00:36:14 (UTC)

EDIT: Bah, who cares. Why am I even writing this? I'm just going to edit the article so it's not misleading. --Chaos Rush 05:40:20 (UTC)
:Fantastic. That's the way wikis are meant to work. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:47, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

== 1,000 revisions! ==

As of the moment, this page has 1,000 revisions, only being surpassed by [[Ash Ketchum]].--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 17:05, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
:I hate to be a dick, but I just made it 1001. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 22:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
::LOL.--'''[[User:Immewnity|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Immewnity|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|Immewnity]]''' was here at 12:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

== Korean versions and their international relation ==

Does the problem of Korean Pokémon having blank names in non-Korean versions and vice-versa from DP happen in K and non-K versions of Platinum? [[User:Pokemon lover|Pokemon lover]] 21:03, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

== Waterfall ==

The article says that you can go down waterfalls without the HM waterfall. That isn't true, I tried it and it was just like D/P.[[User:Pokemon champ|Pokemon champ]] 10:51, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
:Taken off. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 15:00, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

Is it trivia to note that Platinum had the tenth biggest sales figure for a game in 2009, and was the only DS game to be in the top ten sales figures? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 03:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'd expect so. I think we might have something like that for another game. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:48, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::[[Pokémon Platinum Version#Reception]]. Could you provide a source? I believe you, but for this kind of stuff it's better to be safe than sorry. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 13:14, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:::[http://videogames.yahoo.com/events/plugged-in/nintendo-call-of-duty-dominate-09-game-sales-figures/1385597 my source]. It's at the bottom of the first table. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 13:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Awesome. Cheers. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 14:02, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia ==
Even though the order of gym leaders have changed, the trainer case keeps the original order. Think about it!!!--[[User:Skymin23|FlyingSkymin23]] 01:21, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:Already noted under "Storyline changes" --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::Ok, sorry. Feel like a n00b.--[[User:Skymin23|FlyingSkymin23]] 02:00, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Getting the Griseous Orb ==

I think the whole order mistake when getting it in the Distortion World may be intentional (see trivia)... After all, that whole world is pretty strange, right? Does anyone agree with me? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:34, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== Third Version Similarities ==

As you all know, Gold and Silver are metals and Crystal is a stone. Diamond and Pearl are stones. Platinum is a metal
G S P
\/ /\
C D P
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== A mention. ==

I can't really read all this just to find one little aspect. But is there a mention of impossible to save when there is already a new save file? A different gameplay change, is what I'm saying. Usually you can save when there is already a save file, in-game, but you have to delete it at the title screen before starting a new game.
-If anyone can mention this as well, if I remove my save file, will it delete my wifi info as well? As in, the events I gained. Whoops almost forgot the tildes [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 00:35, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
:If I could mention this as well, why do most quotes from characters in-game have unfinished quotes? I thought Bulbapedia would cover most of it. =D [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 00:38, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

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Professor Rowan

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'''Professor Rowan''' (Japanese: '''ナナカマド博士''' ''Dr. Nanakamado'') is the resident [[Pokémon Professor]] of [[Sandgem Town]] in the [[Sinnoh]] region. He specializes in {{OBP|Pokémon|species}} [[evolution]].

==In the games==
===In {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}===
Professor Rowan works in [[Sandgem Town]] with {{ga|Dawn}}/{{ga|Lucas}} and their family. This makes him the only Professor from the handheld games that does not live in the {{player}}'s hometown. He left the [[Sinnoh]] region four years prior to the events of [[Generation IV]] to study the Pokémon of [[Kanto]] with [[Professor Oak]], and has recently returned at the start of {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}} after reaching the conclusion that Sinnoh holds far greater secrets. He has a stern personality that makes him seem intimidating and mean, but he is actually very kind and patient. Rowan says he still feels a thrill whenever he travels anywhere with his Pokémon. He apparently has a sweet tooth, as the refrigerator in his laboratory is full of nothing but sweets and candy.

Rowan's particular field of study is Pokémon [[evolution]], having discovered that 90% of all Pokémon are [[List of Pokémon by evolution family|connected in some way]] to others through evolution. He is also interested in determining if evolution is supposed to be a form of Pokémon reaching maturity, or a way for an "incomplete" being to become "more complete," and the implications that the process has on [[legendary Pokémon]], which don't evolve.

In {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, Professor Rowan is seen for the first time observing [[Lake Verity]] with his assistant. After being interrupted by the player and {{ga|Barry|his/her friend}}, he quickly walks off leaving his briefcase, which holds three [[Poké Ball]]s containing {{p|Turtwig}}, {{p|Chimchar}}, and {{p|Piplup}}, behind. The player and his/her friend try to return it to him, but are attacked by wild Pokémon in the process, and are forced to use two of the Pokémon in the briefcase for defense. After returning the Pokémon to Rowan in his lab, Rowan hears about the survival tactics that they used, and tells them to keep the Pokémon, as well as giving them each a [[Pokédex]] to record data about every single Pokémon. Soon after, Rowan and his assistant travel to [[Jubilife City]] to drop off some notes, where they are attacked by [[Team Galactic]], just as the player returns from [[Oreburgh City]] with his/her first [[badge]].

After becoming suspicious of Team Galactic's activities, he gathers his assistant, the player and his/her friend in the [[Canalave Library]] late in the game, and tells them about the legends of [[Sinnoh]]. Before they are able to finish their discussion, however, an earthquake shakes the region, and the four manage to escape the building before an aftershock. Rowan urges the Trainers to journey to the three lakes of Sinnoh, seeing the aftermath of the explosion on the news, and sends the player's friend to [[Lake Acuity]] in the north, his assistant to [[Lake Verity]] near [[Twinleaf Town]], and the player to [[Lake Valor]].

He apparently previously gave [[Cynthia]] her first Pokémon and a Pokédex, though it is unknown how long before the games this occurred.

Professor Rowan is an old friend of [[Professor Oak]], and Rowan's assistant claims that Oak is Rowan's junior in terms of seniority.
====Quotes====
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===In {{game|Platinum}}===
[[File:Lucasmeetsrowan.png|thumb|left|{{ga|Lucas}} and {{ga|Barry}} meet Professor Rowan for the first time]] Rowan's role is similar to Diamond and Pearl, however, the player and his/her friend leave Twinleaf Town just as Rowan returns from the lake, with Rowan stopping the two from journeying into the tall grass without a Pokémon. His assistant then arrives with the briefcase he left behind at the lake, and Rowan offers the two a [[starter Pokémon]]. When he is visited in Sandgem for the first time, he hands out {{TM|27|Return}} as well as the Pokédex. He can be seen occasionally in the basement of the [[Veilstone Department Store]] sulking about the fact they've run out of [[RageCandyBar]]s.

====Quotes====
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'''On [[Television]]'''
:''"Pokémon are by our sides, always. I hope you will understand the meaning of those words."''

'''[[Sinnoh Route 201|Route 201]]'''
:''"'''Hold it!''' You two don't seem to have any Pokémon between you? Then, what is the meaning of going into the tall grass?! ... ... ... ..."''
:''"... ... They tried to go into the tall grass because they wanted Pokémon... Hm... What to do...? Their world would surely change if they were to meet Pokémon... Is it right for me to put them on that path...? ... ... You two. You truly love Pokémon, do you?"''
:''"I will ask you once again. You two. You truly love Pokémon, do you?"''
:''"...A pair of reckless kids who foolishly try to enter tall grass without Pokémon of their own...? It worries me what people like that would do with Pokémon."''
:''" ! How big of you... Very well, then! I will entrust you two with Pokémon! I apologize for putting you through that exercise. However! You must promise me that you will never recklessly endanger yourselves again. Now, then... Hm? Now, where...?"''
:''"Ah! There it is! {{ga|Dawn}}/{{ga|Lucas}}, nice work. What I was about to do was to entrust these two with their own Pokémon."''
:''"Hm! We exist side by side with Pokémon. There comes a time when people should meet Pokémon. There is a world that should be explored together. For them, today is that time. The place, right here. Go on! Open the briefcase and choose a Pokémon!"''
:''"Very well! Both of you have chosen a good Pokémon, it seems. Now, listen well! The Pokémon you have been entrusted with are unfamiliar with the world. In that regard, they’re much like you. As fellow newcomers to the world, I hope you’ll all do well together. If you have any trouble, come see me at my lab in Sandgem Town. And now, we’ll be on our way."''

'''[[Sandgem Town]]'''
:''"Well, well, look who’s here. <player>, was it? Let’s have a look at your Pokémon. … Hmm… I see… This Pokémon seems to be rather happy. Hm! Entrusting you with that {{p|Turtwig}}/{{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}} was no mistake, it seems! Well, would you like to give it a nickname?"''

:''"When I first saw you two about to step into the tall grass without Pokémon, I was shocked. I was astounded by these foolhardy children. But now, you’ve astounded me in an entirely different way. Already, there is a bond growing between you and that Pokémon. I feel privileged to have met you. I’m sure {{p|Turtwig}}/{{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}} feels the same way about you. That’s why I’ll ask you to cherish that {{p|Turtwig}}/{{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}} of yours."''

:''"Er-hem! Let’s move on to the main topic. There is something I want you to do for me. Allow me to properly introduce myself first. My name, as you know, is Rowan. I study Pokémon. First of all, I want to know exactly what kinds of Pokémon live in the Sinnoh region. To do so, it is necessary to collect data using the [[Pokédex]]. This is what I wish to ask of you. I want to entrust you with this Pokédex. Will you use it to record data on all the Pokémon in Sinnoh for me? (If yes is selected) Hm! Good answer! That Pokédex is a very high-tech device. It will automatically record data on every kind of Pokémon you encounter. <player>, I ask that you go everywhere and meet every kind of Pokémon in this region!(If no is selected)... ... ... ... I can stand here without speaking for hours. I'm a very patient man. Let me ask you again, <player>."''

:''"When you walked up [[Sinnoh Route 201|Route 201]] with your Pokémon, what did you feel? I’ve lived for 60 long years. Even now, I get a thrill when I’m with a Pokémon. Now, you should know that there are countless Pokémon in this world. That means there are just as many thrills waiting for you out there! Now go! <player>, your grand adventure begins right now!"''

:''"Go on! <player>, your grand adventure awaits you!"''

:''"'''<Player>!!''' I have something good here. You should take this as well. That is a [[TM|Technical Machine]]. That [[TM27|one]] contains the move Return. Using a Technical Machine, or TM for short, teaches a move instantly to a Pokémon. Bear in mind, however, that a TM is single-use only. The move Return gains power the more friendly your Pokémon is with you. It’s up to you, of course, if you want to use that TM or not. I’ll send you off with the wish that your journey will be fun."''

'''[[Jubilife City]] (2nd Visit)'''
:''"Ah, <player>. Well? How is the Pokédex progressing? Hm! That’s {{badge|Coal|Oreburgh’s Gym Badge}}, I see. But hadn’t I given you your first Pokémon only recently...? Perhaps being a {{pkmn|Trainer}} is like second nature to you."''

:''"Quiet, you lot! Why must you be such a nuisance? Let me list some lessons you still need to learn. #1: Don’t loiter about for no good reason. #2: Don’t interrupt others while they are attempting to converse. #3: If you don’t get your way, don’t raise your voice to be intimidating. #4: Don’t think you’ve grown strong just because you’re in a group. #5: What is with those outlandish outfits you have on? My goodness... You call yourselves adults? {{ga|Lucas|You}} {{ga|Dawn|kids}}, don’t grow up to be like these sorry specimens."''

:''"You kids, give these thugs a lesson in civility, please."''

:''"That lot... They called themselves [[Team Galactic]]. When Pokémon evolve, they seem to release some type of energy... However, I believe that it’s a mystic power far beyond our control. But Team Galactic seems to be studying that power’s potential. They want to know if it can be used as energy for something..."''

:''"It’s all over, so you can relax now. Still, thanks to you two, nothing came of that situation. I appreciate that. Incidentally, <player>. Kudos to you for your battling skill. It got me thinking. Why don’t you collect all the [[Badge#Sinnoh League|Gym Badges of Sinnoh]]? Doing so, you will be sure to encounter lots of Pokémon. That, of course, means your Pokédex pages will continuously fill up. In other words, it will be of great help to my research. That said, I’ve given you your first Pokémon and Pokédex as yours to keep. You’re free to do with them as you wish. Take care now."''

'''Basement of the [[Veilstone Department Store]]'''
:''"Hmm... [[Rage Candy Bars]] are too popular, it seems. Ah, <player>, it's you. Does life continue to thrill you? It does for me. For example, I recently discovered some [[Pokémon]] [[evolve]] only in certain locations. When I learned that, I felt thrilled!"''

'''[[Lake Verity]]'''
*Before visiting Lake Valor
:''"<player>, how was Lake Valor? Anything to report? What? You're just going there now? You've got to move faster than that!"''

*After stopping Team Galactic at Lake Valor
:''"Ah, <player>! What timing! Those Team Galactic scoundrels are after the legendary Pokémon! You've got to help Dawn/Lucas!''"

:''"How dare you! You misguided thugs! <Player>! Dawn/Lucas needs your help!''"

:''"I see... This also occurred at Lake Valor... Another legendary Pokémon was taken away by Team Galactic... Both of you went up against full-fledged criminals... The fact that you're unharmed is reason enough to celebrate. ...But what about <rival>? What is happening at [[Lake Acuity]]? Is <rival> safe?''"

:''"<Player>, I need you to go to Lake Acuity right away. I'm worried about <rival>.''"

'''The [[Villa]]'''
*After Buying Bookself
:''"Hm, that's rather a good Bookself. The curved surfaces described sublime lines of an indefinable charm. Here, allow me to give you this book I've been reading as a gift."''

:''"Hm! you look well. It's commonly accepted that Pokémon evolve to grow more powerful. There must be other reason than that. I would like to know during my lifetime."''

==In the anime==
[[File:Rowan anime.png|thumb|220px|right|Prof. Rowan in the anime]]
Professor Rowan made his debut {{pkmn|anime}} appearance in ''[[DP001|Following A Maiden's Voyage!]]'' to give {{an|Dawn}} her {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}}. He made another short appearance in ''[[DP045|Ill-Will Hunting!]]'', where he worked with {{Gary}}.

He also appeared from ''[[DP088|Camping It Up!]]'' to ''[[DP091|One Team, Two Team, Red Team, Blue Team!]]'' at [[Pokémon Summer Academy|a school]] with his assistants and [[Yuzo]]. He was one of the people by the finish line in ''[[DP091|One Team, Two Team, Red Team, Blue Team!]]''.

He made a cameo appearance in ''[[DP111|Saving the World From Ruins!]]''. He appeared again in ''[[DP152|The Battle Finale of Legend!]]'', monitoring the distortions being caused by Cyrus' plot to control {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}}.
{{left clear}}

Professor Rowan made a cameo appearance in ''[[M13|Zoroark: Master of Illusions]]''. His latest appearance was in [[SS024]], he was seen studying a {{p|Shuckle}} before Dawn appeared. Then a Piplup and Chimchar escape, and Dawn and [[Shinko]] try and find them. Later they successfully bring back the Pokémon. He later says his farewells to Dawn, who is on her journey to [[Hoenn]].

===Pokémon===
He has these Pokémon to give to new Trainers:
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Professor Rowan
|pkmn=Turtwig
|type1=Grass
|img=Rowan Turtwig.png
|epnum=DP001
|epname=Following a Maiden's Voyage!
|desc=Turtwig is a [[Starter Pokémon]] which a new trainer can choose from to start their Pokémon journey. One appeared in ''[[DP001|Following a Maiden's Voyage!]]'' where it was the only one that stayed in the lab after {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}} and {{p|Chimchar}} trashed the lab. Another one appeared in [[SS024]] where [[Shinko]] was picking a Starter Pokémon, Piplup and Chimchar started fighting and escaped leaving Turtwig still eating.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Professor Rowan
|pkmn=Chimchar
|type1=Fire
|epnum=DP001
|epname=Following a Maiden's Voyage!
|img=Rowan Chimchar.png
|desc=Chimchar is a [[Starter Pokémon]] which a new trainer can choose from to start their Pokémon journey. One appeared in ''[[DP001|Following a Maiden's Voyage!]]'' where it causes havoc in the lab by stealing {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}}'s food. Chimchar then escapes from the lab with Piplup on hot pursuit. But is later found and a {{p|Staraptor}} brings it back to the lab. Another one appeared in [[SS024]] where [[Shinko]] was picking a Starter Pokémon. Chimchar and Piplup started to fight causing a window to break and Chimchar and Piplup escape.

Later Shinko and {{an|Dawn}} find Chimchar and Piplup in an {{p|Ariados}}'s web. Dawn gets them free, but multiple Ariados arrive. Dawn is able to fend them off but the leader Ariados uses {{m|Psychic}} to paralyze the group. Suddenly [[Dawn's Cyndaquil]] [[Evolution|evolves]] into a Quilava and saves the group. Chimchar and Piplup are then sent back to the lab.

Some of the Chimchar's only known move is {{m|Ember}}.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Professor Rowan
|pkmn=Piplup
|type1=Water
|epnum=DP001
|epname=Following a Maiden's Voyage!
|img=Rowan Piplup.png
|desc=Piplup is a [[Starter Pokémon]] which a new trainer can choose from to start their Pokémon journey. [[Dawn's Piplup|One]] appeared in ''[[DP001|Following a Maiden's Voyage]]'' where it got annoyed by a {{p|Chimchar}} after it stole its food, but in the end it was chosen by {{an|Dawn}}. Another one appeared in [[SS024]] where [[Shinko]] was picking a Starter Pokémon. Piplup and Chimchar started to fight causing a window to break and Chimchar and Piplup escape.

Later Shinko and {{an|Dawn}} find Piplup and Chimchar in an {{p|Ariados}}'s web. Dawn gets them free, but multiple Ariados arrive. Dawn is able to fend them off but the leader Ariados uses {{m|Psychic}} to paralyze the group. Suddenly [[Dawn's Cyndaquil]] [[Evolution|evolves]] into a Quilava and saves the group. Piplup and Chimchar are then sent back to the lab.

Some of the Piplup's known moves are {{m|BubbleBeam}}, {{m|Bide}}, {{m|Peck}} and {{m|Bubble}}.}}

====Pokémon he gave away to Trainers====
{| width=100%
|-
| {{InactivePoké|Dawn|Piplup|Dawn Piplup.png|Water|disp=Dawn's Piplup}} ♂
|
|-
|}


====Used in his studies====
{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Rowan
|pkmn=Starly
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|img=Rowan Starly.png
|epnum=DP001
|epname=Following A Maiden's Voyage!
|desc={{p|Starly}} was first seen in Rowan's lab being examined by his colleagues. When {{p|Chimchar}} and {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}} got into a fight, Piplup used {{m|BubbleBeam}} which accidentally hit Staraptor causing the laboratory to get ruined in the process. It is later seen coming back after {{p|Staraptor}} brings Chimchar back to the lab.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Rowan
|pkmn=Staraptor
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|img=Rowan Staraptor.png
|epnum=DP001
|epname=Following A Maiden's Voyage!
|desc={{p|Staraptor}} was first seen in Rowan's lab being examined by his colleagues. When {{p|Chimchar}} and {{TP|Dawn|Piplup}} got into a fight, Piplup used {{m|BubbleBeam}} which accidentally hit Staraptor causing the laboratory to get ruined in the process. It is later seen coming back after it brings Chimchar back to the lab with Starly.

Staraptor's only known move is {{m|Whirlwind}}.}}

===Voice actors===
{{vatable|color={{sinnoh color light}}|bordercolor={{sinnoh color}}
|ja=家弓家正 ''Iemasa Kayumi''
|en=[[Sean Reyes]]
|nl=Louis van Beek
|es_eu=Luis Mas
|es_la=Mario Díaz Mercado ([[DP001]]-[[DP045]]) Humberto Solórzano ([[DP088]]-[[DP091]])
|pl=Andrzej Chudy}}

==In the manga==
===In the Pokémon Adventures manga===
[[File:Rowan Adventures.png|thumb|200px|right|Professor Rowan in Pokémon Adventures]]
Professor Rowan first appears after he and {{adv|Platinum}}'s father, Professor Berlitz, are accidentally knocked onto the ground after {{adv|Diamond}} and {{adv|Pearl}} crash into them. After yelling at the two boys, Rowan talks to Sir Berlitz about sending his daughter out into the world but notes that since she promised to record the Sinnoh Pokémon, he quickly accepted this and gave a Pokédex, Pokétch, and some Poké Balls for her journey. They quickly meet up with [[Paka]] and [[Uji]], two bodyguards hired to protect Platinum on her journey and give them the letter detailing their mission inside of it. Unbeknownst to them, when Rowan and Professor Berlitz were knocked on the ground by Diamond and Pearl, they had accidentally switched letters, causing Diamond and Pearl to take the bodyguard mission while mistaking it for a tour and Paka and Uji getting Diamond and Pearl's prize for winning a comedy competition, a bike ride.

Later, at Professor Rowan's lab, he and Professor Berlitz are discussing the topics on their upcoming presentation in Canalave City. After taking a break for sweets, they set off to Canalave for the conference. Later, the reach Canalave and note the discoveries they can make while Gym Leader [[Byron]] talks to his son [[Roark]] on the Pokégear as he passes by them. Sometime later, they go to do their presentation when a woman gives Rowan a newspaper from the [[Pokémon News Press]]. Rowan just decides to throw it away, failing to notice that Platinum is on the cover and is traveling with Diamond and Pearl instead of her bodyguards.

Later, after Platinum defeats [[Fantina]] in their Gym Battle, she sees on the television that both Professor Rowan and her father have gone missing. Platinum, Diamond, and Pearl go to Canalave to find the missing scientists; they eventually find them at the [[Canalave Gym]] being held there by the Gym Leader, Byron. After clearing up some misunderstandings, Byron reveals that it was a {{tc|Galactic Grunt}} wearing a [[Cloaked Grunt|cloak]] that used a special device to trap the two scientists in a cage.

Later that night, the Cloaked Grunt returns to Canalave to set Professor Rowan and Professor Berlitz from their prison. Although freed from the cage, they are weak from staying inside of it for several days and need crutches just to be able to stand up. After Professor Berlitz allows Platinum to go and defeat [[Team Galactic]] and have Diamond and Pearl as her bodyguards, Professor Rowan upgrades their Pokédex to the National mode and gives them the ability to see gender differences.

During the final battle on the [[Spear Pillar]], Rowan and Professor Berlitz join Byron and the [[Underground Man]] in the final battle against Team Galactic. They use a machine to monitor the distortion of space-time as {{p|Dialga}} and {{p|Palkia}} battle each other.

===Pokémon given away===
====[[Pokémon Adventures]]====
{{TrainerPoké
|main=Tru
|trainer=Diamond
|pkmn=Turtwig
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|img=Tru Turtwig.png
|epnum=PS338
|epname=Stagestruck Starly
|desc=Rowan gave {{p|Turtwig}} to {{adv|Platinum}}. It ended up with {{adv|Diamond}} instead of her real bodyguards.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=Chimler
|trainer=Pearl
|pkmn=Chimchar
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|img=Chimler Chimchar.png
|epnum=PS338
|epname=Stagestruck Starly
|desc=Rowan gave {{p|Chimchar}} to Platinum to deliver to her bodyguards. However, it was sent to {{adv|Pearl}} instead.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|main=Platinum's Empoleon
|trainer=Platinum
|pkmn=Piplup
|gender=female
|type1=Water
|img=Platinum Piplup Adventures.png
|epnum=PS338
|epname=Stagestruck Starly
|desc=Rowan gave {{p|Piplup}} to Platinum. Unlike the others, Platinum kept Piplup.}}

===In the Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure! manga===
[[File:Professor Rowan DPA.png|thumb|200px|right|Professor Rowan in Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure!]]
In [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Adventure!]], Professor Rowan adopted [[Hareta]] as a grandson. However, on seeing Hareta's ability to understand the souls of Pokémon, he felt it was best to leave him out in the forest with his Pokémon friends to care for him. He did not see Hareta again for four years. Deciding it would help the boy to travel and see the world, the Professor decided he should be a Pokémon Trainer and travel with his assistant, [[Mitsumi]], and one of his Pokémon, {{p|Piplup}}.

===Pokémon given away===
{{TrainerPoké
|main=Hareta's Empoleon
|trainer=Hareta
|pkmn=Piplup
|type1=Water
|img=Hareta Piplup.png
|img_size=120px
|epnum=DPA01
|epname=In Search of the Legendary Pokémon Dialga!!
|desc=[[Hareta]] was given {{p|Piplup}} for his journey. It was used to try to stop an out of control {{p|Onix}} with the hep of Hareta and some {{p|Aipom}}. After doing so, Piplup traveled with Hareta.}}

{{TrainerPoké
|trainer=Mitsumi
|pkmn=Chimchar
|type1=Fire
|img=Mitsumi Chimchar.png
|epnum=DPA18
|epname=Battle Against Team Galactic...and Mitsumi!
|desc=[[Mitsumi]] was given a {{p|Chimchar}} when she was a member of [[Team Galactic]] in order to teach her about kindness and love. It later evolved into an {{p|Infernape}} that she has to this day.}}

==In the TCG==
This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring Professor Rowan or his Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].
{| {{bluetable}}
|- style="background: #{{sinnoh color}};"
!Name
!Type
!Level
!Rarity
!Set
!Set no.
|-
| rowspan=3 | {{TCG ID|Diamond & Pearl|Professor Rowan|112}} || rowspan=3 | T || rowspan=3 | – || rowspan=2 | {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Diamond & Pearl}} || 112/130
|-
| {{TCG|Secret Wonders}} || 123/132
|-
| (H) || {{TCG|Miscellaneous Promotional cards}} || –
|}

==Trivia==
*Rowan's Japanese name is actually the word for the {{wp|rowan}} tree. After much speculation that it would be a direct translation, it was revealed that his name would be Rowan in the English translation, continuing the long-standing pattern of professors named for trees.
*Rowan's studies declaring that 90% of all Pokémon are related through [[evolution]] are only true as of [[Generation IV]], and even then only if [[legendary Pokémon]] are not included.

==Names==
{| align="left" style="background: #{{sinnoh color light}}; -moz-border-radius: 10px; border: 3px solid #{{sinnoh color}}"
|- align=center
! style="-moz-border-radius-topleft: 5px;" | Language
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Name
! style="-moz-border-radius-topright: 5px;" | Reference to
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Japanese
| ナナカマド博士 ''Dr. Nanakamado''
| ナナカマド ''Nanakamado'', {{wp|Rowan|Rowan tree}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| English, Italian
| Professor Rowan
| Similarly to the other professors, after a tree, as well as a direct translation from Japanese.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| German
| Professor Eibe
| ''Eibe'' is German for {{wp|Taxus}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| French
| Professeur Sorbier
| ''Sorbier'' is French for {{wp|Sorbus}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Spanish
| Profesor Serbal
| ''Serbal'' is Spanish for {{wp|Sorbus}}.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Korean
| 마박사 ''Dr. Ma''
| From 마가목 ''magamog'', the Rowan tree.
|- style="background:#FFF;"
| Chinese
| 山梨博士 ''Dr. Shānlí''
| From 山梨糖醇 ''Shānlí Tángchún'' ({{wp|sorbitol}}), sugar alcohol that can be derived from plants of the genus ''{{wp|Sorbus}}''. 山梨 also refer to ''Pyrus ussuriensis'', a species of {{wp|pears}} from the same {{wp|Rosaceae|family}} as the rowan tree.
|}
{{-}}

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{{NPC|sinnoh|sinnoh=yes}}
{{Animecharacters}}
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}

[[Category:Professors|Rowan, Professor]]
[[Category:Anime characters|Rowan, Professor]]
[[Category:Game characters|Rowan, Professor]]
[[Category:Manga characters|Rowan, Professor]]
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[[Category:Male characters|Rowan, Professor]]

[[pt:Professor Rowan]]

[[de:Professor Eibe]]
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[[pl:Profesor Rowan]]

Barry (game)

2011-10-18T00:16:19Z

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{{CharInfobox|
color=E08040 |
corecolor=FFE683 |
bordercolor=629C20 |
name=Barry |
jname=ジュン |
tmname=Jun |
image=Platinum Barry.png |
size=200px |
caption=Art from {{v2|Platinum}} |
gender=Male |
hometown=[[Twinleaf Town]] |
region=[[Sinnoh]] |
relatives={{FB|Tower Tycoon|Palmer}} (father), unnamed mother |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass={{pkmn|Trainer}}, [[Rival]] |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|IV}} |
games={{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} |
leader=no |
team=no |
brain=no |
anime=counterpart |
animecounterpart={{an|Barry}}|
epnum=DP101 |
epname=Barry's Busting Out All Over! |
manga=counterpart |
mangacounterpart={{adv|Pearl}} |
roundnum=PS338|
roundname=VS. Starly |
}}

'''Barry''' (Japanese: '''ジュン''' ''Jun'') is the [[rival]] character in {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.

The character {{adv|Pearl}} from the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga is based on Barry. A version of the character also appears in the {{OBP|Pokémon DP|Shigekatsu Ihara}} manga.

This particular rival also appears on the {{TCG ID|Diamond & Pearl|Rival|113}} card in the {{TCG|Diamond & Pearl}} and {{TCG|Secret Wonders}} expansions of the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

==In the games==
===In {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}===
Barry, like the player, lives in [[Twinleaf Town]] and is also the player's childhood friend (and soon-to-be [[rival]]). Barry is always in a hurry and extremely impatient, and because of this, often crashes into other people (usually demanding a fine from them) or misses important details.

Barry is incredibly determined and it is very difficult to discourage him; the only thing that has done this so far was his crushing loss to the [[Team Galactic]] {{tc|Commander}}, [[Jupiter]] at [[Lake Acuity]], although this defeat lead to a major positive change in Barry's character, causing him to become slightly more serious, realistic, and mature. He is also quite the braggart, often boasting about his battling prowess or how cool his Pokémon are. Barry ''does'' have a soft side however, as seen after the wild Starly attack.

Barry is also one to take risks and quickly jump into action; it was this behavior that caused the player and himself to be attacked by [[wild]] {{p|Starly}}, setting off the chain reaction that would result in the player receiving his/her first Pokémon.

After becoming the [[Sinnoh League]] {{pkmn|Champion}}, the player can find him training at [[Stark Mountain]] during the week, and at the [[Fight Area]] on weekends in {{v2|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, ready to battle. He desires to get into the [[Battleground]], even asking [[Crasher Wake]]'s help. Unlike the player and {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}}, Barry did not receive a Pokédex, due to him rushing out of [[Professor Rowan]]'s lab before Rowan could give him one.

His father is {{FB|Tower Tycoon|Palmer}}, one of the Sinnoh {{Gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}}'s five [[Frontier Brain]]s. Barry wants to be like him, which is the reason he is so determined and trains hard.

====Pokémon====
''For Barry's Pokémon in {{v|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, see [[Barry (game)/Diamond and Pearl|here]]''.

[[File:Diamond Pearl Barry.png|thumb|160px|Artwork from {{v2|Diamond and Pearl|s}}]]

====Quotes====
{{incomplete|section}}
=====At [[Twinleaf Town]]=====
*In front of his house:
''"'''Thud!!''' What was that about?! Oh, hey, <player>! Hey! I'm going to the lake! You come too! And be quick about it! OK, <player>? I'm fining you {{PDollar}}1 million if you're late! Oh, jeez! Forgot something!"''

*In his room:
''"...I'd better take my [[Bag]] and {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Journal}}, too... Oh, hey, <player>! We're going to the lake! I'll be waiting for on the road! It's a {{PDollar}}10 million fine if you're late!"''

====={{rt|201|Sinnoh}}=====
''"Hey, you saw that news report that was on TV, right? You know, "Search for the [[Red Gyarados]]! The mysterious appearance of the furious Pokémon in a lake!" That show got me to thinking. I'll bet our local lake has a Pokémon like that in it, too! So, that's what we're gonna do. We'll go find a Pokémon like that!"''

*If the player attempts to walk into the tall grass:
''"Remember what your mother said? Mom: "<player>! Don't go into the tall grass!" "Remember, wild Pokémon may attack you if you're walking in tall grass." "It would be OK if you had your own Pokémon, but...""''

*After the events at Lake Verity:
''"Hey, it's those people! Is that old guy staring at us?"''

''"What was all that craziness about? I mean, if he was angry, he could've just yelled at us, or whatever... And didn't he want their Pokémon back...? <player>... We should go home, too...

=====[[Verity Lakefront]]=====
*Before the events at Lake Verity
''"All right! To the lake! Let's find us a red Gyarados!

*After the events at Lake Verity:
''"..You go ahead ...I know we have to go return these Pokémon. They're not ours. But I want to spend just a little more time with this little guy..."''

:*If spoken to:
''"I wish I could grow tougher with this little guy..."''

''"I don't feel like talking... Let's go. ...Are we maybe walking slower than when we went to the lake?"''

:*If the player attempts to enter Lake Verity:
''"Hey, hey! Where do you think you're going? We have to go return these Pokémon..."''

=====[[Lake Verity]]=====
''"What's going on...?"''

''"What was that about? Those two... Huh? <player>! Let's go check this out! ... ... What's that? Don't go into the tall grass? No problem, no problem! We won't be in there long enough for a wild Pokémon to come out."''

''"It's... A briefcase? Those people forgot it here. What are we supposed to do with it? We can try to deliver it, but who are they? I heard them say professor..."''

''"Waaah! Po-Pokémon?! What's going on?!"''

*When selecting a Pokémon:
''"Look! These are Poké Balls! Let's battle using these! Eh...? Which one do you want then?"''

*After the battle:
''"Fwaaah! Your {{p|Turtwig}}/{{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}} totally rocked! But my Chimchar/Piplup/Turtwig was way tougher than yours! ...They were other people's Pokémon, though... But we had to use them... They won't mind, will they?"''

''"What was that about? I don't know what's going on. <player>, let's get out of here. My Pokémon got hurt from that battle. If we get attacked by another Pokémon, we might be in trouble."''

===In {{game|Platinum}}===
In addition to his hyperactive personality, it is shown in the beginning of Platinum, he also gets distracted very easily. In the events of Platinum, Barry suggests going to visit Professor Rowan at his lab rather than go to the lake in search of a Pokémon of the same rarity as a [[red Gyarados]] (as happened in {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}). When Professor Rowan questions {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and Barry on {{rt|201|Sinnoh}} about going into the [[tall grass]] without any Pokémon, deeming it reckless and wondering if such people were well-suited for Pokémon, Barry admits it was his idea and says that his friend should at least get a Pokémon if not him. After this, Professor Rowan gives them both Pokémon, much to Barry's excitement.

After becoming the [[Sinnoh League]] {{pkmn|Champion}}, he can also be found at the [[Survival Area]] every day, but he can only be battled on weekends.
====Pokémon====
This listing is for Barry's Pokémon in the most recent video game in which he has appeared.

=====First battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 201
|locationname=Route 201
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=390
|pokemon=Chimchar
|type1=Fire
|gender=male
|ability=Blaze
|level=5
|move1=Scratch
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 201
|locationname=Route 201
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=393
|pokemon=Piplup
|type1=Water
|gender=male
|ability=Torrent
|level=5
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 201
|locationname=Route 201
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=387
|pokemon=Turtwig
|type1=Grass
|gender=male
|ability=Overgrow
|level=5
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Withdraw
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Second battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}900
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 203
|locationname=Route 203
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=396
|pokemon=Starly
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|level=7
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=390
|pokemon=Chimchar
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|level=9
|move1=Scratch
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}900
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 203
|locationname=Route 203
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=396
|pokemon=Starly
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|level=7
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=393
|pokemon=Piplup
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|level=9
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}900
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 203
|locationname=Route 203
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=396
|pokemon=Starly
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|level=7
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=387
|pokemon=Turtwig
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|level=9
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Withdraw
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Third battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Hearthome City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=25
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=23
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=23
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=391
|pokemon=Monferno
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|level=27
|move1=Mach Punch
|move1type=Fighting
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Flame Wheel
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Hearthome City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=25
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=23
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=23
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=394
|pokemon=Prinplup
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|level=27
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Peck
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=BubbleBeam
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Metal Claw
|move4type=Steel
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Hearthome City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=25
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=23
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=23
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=388
|pokemon=Grotle
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|level=27
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Razor Leaf
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Absorb
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Curse
|move4type=???
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Fourth battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pastoria City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=34
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=32
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=32
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=391
|pokemon=Monferno
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|level=36
|move1=Mach Punch
|move1type=Fighting
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Flame Wheel
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pastoria City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=34
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=32
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=32
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=394
|pokemon=Prinplup
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|level=36
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Peck
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=BubbleBeam
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Metal Claw
|move4type=Steel
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pastoria City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=34
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=32
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=32
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=388
|pokemon=Grotle
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|level=36
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Razor Leaf
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Absorb
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Curse
|move4type=???
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Fifth battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3800
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Canalave City
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=36
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=35
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=35
|move1=GrassWhistle
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Toxic Spikes
|move4type=Poison
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Guts
|level=37
|move1=Aerial Ace
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Horn Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=392
|pokemon=Infernape
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|level=38
|move1=Brick Break
|move1type=Fighting
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Flame Wheel
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3800
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Canalave City
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=36
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=35
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=35
|move1=GrassWhistle
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Guts
|level=37
|move1=Aerial Ace
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Horn Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=395
|pokemon=Empoleon
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Steel
|ability=Torrent
|level=38
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Peck
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=BubbleBeam
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Metal Claw
|move4type=Steel
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3800
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Canalave City
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=36
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=35
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=35
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Guts
|level=37
|move1=Aerial Ace
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Horn Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=389
|pokemon=Torterra
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Ground
|ability=Overgrow
|level=38
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Razor Leaf
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Absorb
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Curse
|move4type=???
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Sixth battle=====

{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}5100
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=48
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=47
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=49
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=48
|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=47
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=392
|pokemon=Infernape
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Blaze
|level=51
|move1=Focus Blast|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Claw|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flamethrower|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Aerial Ace|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}5100
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=47
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=49
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=48
|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=48
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=47
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=395
|pokemon=Empoleon
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Steel
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Torrent
|level=51
|move1=Brine|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Metal Claw|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Aerial Ace|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Shadow Claw|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}5100
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=48
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=47
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=47
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=48
|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=49
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=389
|pokemon=Torterra
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Ground
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Overgrow
|level=51
|move1=Leaf Storm|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Synthesis|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Weekend battles=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}6500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Survival Area
|pokemon=6

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=59
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=63
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=62
|move1=Megahorn|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=61
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=57
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=392
|pokemon=Infernape
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Blaze
|level=65
|move1=Focus Blast|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Claw|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flamethrower|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Aerial Ace|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}6500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Survival Area
|pokemon=6

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=59
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=63
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=62
|move1=Megahorn|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=61
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=61
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=395
|pokemon=Empoleon
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Steel
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Torrent
|level=65
|move1=Hydro Pump|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Metal Claw|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Drill Peck|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Shadow Claw|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}6500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Survival Area
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=61
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=59
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=59
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=62
|move1=Megahorn|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=63
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=389
|pokemon=Torterra
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Ground
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Overgrow
|level=65
|move1=Leaf Storm|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

After the [[Elite Four]] are defeated 10 times, Barry's Pokémon's [[level]]s each increase by 10, and his reward money is {{pdollar}}7500. After they are defeated 20 times, his Pokémon gain 10 further levels and his payout is {{pdollar}}8500.

====Quotes====
{{incomplete|section}}
'''[[Twinleaf Town]]'''
*Player's house
:''"There you are! Hey, <player>! Did you just see the TV? Sure you did! Prof. Rowan's that really important guy who studies Pokémon, right? That means he must have lots and lots of Pokémon. So, if we ask him, I bet he'd give us some Pokémon! Oh, hey! Is this a new PC?! Uh... Where was I? Oh, right, right! We're going to go see Prof. Rowan and get some Pokémon. I'll be waiting outside, OK, <player>? If you're late, I'm fining you {{PDollar}}10 million!"''

*Barry's house
:''"'''Thud!''' What was that about?! Oh, hey, <player>! Hey! I'm going to see Prof. Rowan! You should come, too! And quickly! Oh, jeez! Forgot something!"''
:''"...I'd better take my [[Bag]] and {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Journal}}, too... Oh, hey, <player>! I'll be waiting for you on the road! It's a {{PDollar}}10 million fine if you're late!"''

'''{{rt|201|Sinnoh}}'''
:''"Too slow! All right! Let's get moving to Prof. Rowan's lab. ... ... What? Don't go into the grass, right? No worries! No problem! It doesn't matter that we don't have any Pokémon. Trust me on this one. I've got an idea! Now listen. You know how wild Pokémon jump out when you go into tall grass? So, what you do is, you scoot over to the next patch of grass before any wild Pokémon can appear! If we just keep dashing, we can get to [[Sandgem Town]] without running into wild Pokémon! OK, stick with me! OK, here goes! On your marks..."
:''"... ... Hey, <player>. This old guy's... It's Prof. Rowan, isn't it? What's he doing here...?"''
::'''No''': ''"Whoa, hold up! You're not making any sense here!"''
::'''Yes''': ''"Me, too! I love Pokémon, too!"''
:''"What?! You can ask a hundred times! The answer will never change! We'll both answer a hundred times, we love Pokémon! Right, <player>?"''
:''"...Uh... Well, I, uh... ... ...Well, then forget about me, but give a Pokémon to my friend here! I mean, it was me who tried to go into the tall grass and all..."''
:''"Really?! Prof. Rowan! I can't believe it! I'm so happy now that I can't keep a straight face! Hey, <player>. You can choose first. Hey, I'm practically a grown-up. I have to show some class here."''
:''"Then, I choose you! I'm picking this {{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}}/{{p|Turtwig}}!"''

*Before battle
:''"How do you like that? Prof. Rowan's really nice. On TV, he seems so stern and scary. Heheh, <player>! We've both got Pokémon now. There's only one thing to do, right? Are you up for this?"''
::'''No''': ''"What's with that attitude? Don't be that way!"''
::'''Yes''': ''"I've always wanted to say this... The time has finally come! <player>! I challenge you to a battle!"''

*During battle (the first non-KO hit)
:''"What in the...?! That one hurt, you!"''
*During battle (less than half HP)
:''"No way! We can keep going! This is where we hit our stride!"''

*When defeated
:''"What are you saying?! We ended up losing?!"''

*After being defeated
:''"Whew! Let's go home. I'm beat after that battle. My Pokémon needs rest, too. See ya, <player>!"''

:''"Too slow! <player>, I'm sick of waiting! I'm going to go see Prof. Rowan, so I can thank him properly. So, I had this great idea. Listen up, OK? You know that lake where we always play at? You know how they say a legendary Pokémon lives there? You guessed it! Let's catch that Pokémon. That'll make Prof. Rowan happy. I'm sure of that! Me and you together, we've got nothing to fear!"''

*{{tt|When walking|either Route 201 or Verity Lakefront}}:
:''"That Pokémon battle... Wasn't that wickedly fun or what? I mean, I'd pick the moves, and my Pokémon would use them! Yeah, I'm going to battle tons and get real close with Pokémon."''
:''"Pokémon all have different moves, huh? A Trainer makes his Pokémon battle by ordering them to use moves. That's just so awesomely cool."''
:''"Do you believe it? I can hardly believe it. You and me, we're Pokémon Trainers all of a sudden. Man, we've got tons to learn about being a Trainer. But seeing this Poké Ball with this {{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}}/{{p|Turtwig}} inside... It makes me feel like I can do anything! Nothing's impossible!
:''"That lake has a mirage Pokémon living in it. Everyone says it's just a legend, but I know I'm right."''
:''"Hey, do you know about the [[Pokémon Champion|Champion]]? There's this out-of-this-world tough Trainer who gets called that. Well, I'm gonna get so tough, the Champ has to battle me. You watch! With this little guy here, I'm sure I can get that tough."''
:''"Hey, that's enough talking already. I'm itching to go to the lake. Come on, come on!"''

'''[[Verity Lakefront]]'''
:''"All right! We're at the lake! Get ready, because we're capturing that legendary Pokémon. Trust me on this one. It's here. It even says so on the sign!"''

'''[[Lake Verity]]'''
:''"What's going on...?"''

:''"What was that about? Weird guy... OK, <player>! Let's catch that legendary Pokémon!"''

:''"! Did you hear that, <player>?! That was the legendary Pokémon crying! That had to be it! OK! This is our chance! Let's catch it! ...Wait! What...?! We don't have anything on us! You know, Poké Balls! P-O-K-accent-E Balls! If we don't have those, we can't catch Pokémon or take them around with us! ...Do you think Prof. Rowan'd give us some if we asked him? You know, you remember what he said, don't you? He said to visit him at his lab if we needed anything. OK, <player>! I'll race you! First one to the professor's lab in Sandgem Town rules!"''

'''[[Sandgem Town]]'''
:''"'''Thud!!''' What the... Oh, it's you, <player>! That old guy... He's not scary so much as he is totally out there! Aww, it doesn't matter, <player>. I'm out of here. See you later!"''

'''[[Pokémon academy|Trainers' school]] in [[Jubilife City]]'''
:''"Hey, <player>! Did you come to study, too? I went ahead and memorized everything that was up on the blackboard. After all, it's the Trainer's job to avoid having their precious Pokémon hurt in battle, right? So, <player>, what brings you? Huh? You've got [[Parcel|something]] for me? So, what is this...? Score! It's a [[Town Map]]! Huh?! Why are there two in here? I like it a lot, but I don't need two. Here, <player>, you take one! Hm... Well, according to the Town Map, I guess [[Oreburgh City]] is where I should be going next. There's a [[Oreburgh City Gym|Gym]], so it'd be perfect for raising the Pokémon I just caught. Well, I'm on the road to becoming the greatest Trainer of all time! See you around!"''

'''{{rt|203|Sinnoh}}'''
*Before battle
:''"Hey! <player>! Tell me you got a little tougher! Me? Do you even need to ask? Of course I got tougher! Come on! I'll demonstrate it to you!"''

*During battle (the first non-KO hit)
:''"Don't get cocky! This isn't over yet!"''
*During battle (less than half HP)
:''"My Pokémon's getting low on HP... Things could get tight here."''

*When defeated
:''"What just happened? I lost?!"''

*After being defeated
:''"Waah! What do you mean I lost?! Well, that's it! That's the last time I'll ever lose! I'm going to be the world's toughest Trainer, and you know it! The first thing to do is take on the Oreburgh City Pokémon Gym! I'm gonna toughen up for that, totally!"''

'''[[Oreburgh City]]'''
:''"Hunh? Oh, it's you, <player>! You finally got here? You're slow like always. But, anyway, the [[Roark|Gym Leader's]] tough! Like, seriously serious! If the Gym Leader's this tough, I wonder how he compares to my [[Tower Tycoon Palmer|dad]]... Huh? I just drifted there. Anyway, the Gym Leader's gone off to the [[Oreburgh Mine|coal mine]]. If you want to take on the Gym Leader, you'd better go off to the mine!"''

:''"I told you, the Gym Leader went down to the Oreburgh Mine. If you want to take the Gym challenge, you have to go down to the mine."''

:''"'''Thud!!''' Whoops! <player>! You got the [[Coal Badge|Gym Badge]], huh? [[Eterna City]] is the next place with a [[Eterna City Gym|Gym]] that gives away [[Badge|Badges]], right? So, yeah, I went to {{rt|207|Sinnoh}}, but you can't go there without a [[Bicycle]]. I made my team battle and toughened them up, so it wasn't a waste. So, I'm going back to Jubilife City. Next stop, the [[Forest Badge|Eterna Gym Badge]]! Ten seconds before I dash! Nine... Bah! Who's got time to count?!"''

'''[[Eterna City]]'''
:''"'''Thud!!''' Hey there, <player>! You came to see the Pokémon statue, right? I'll take you there! What the..."''

:''"Oh, hey! When we smacked together, a brilliant flash of inspiration came to me! An easy way to become a great Trainer! Yeah, that! All right. Listen close... Make certain all your attacks hit! Avoid enemy attacks for sure! You do that, you'd never lose! You'd be the invincible Trainer! Anyway, go check out the Pokémon statue. See you around!"''

'''[[Survival Area]]'''
*Before battle
:''"Hey, <player>! You aren't the only one getting tougher! I'll prove it to you! Let's go!"''

*When defeated
:''"What just went down?! You told me I've just lost again?!"''

*After being defeated
:''"...! It's alright, though. Keep getting tougher <player>. The more you do, the tougher my Pokémon and I get too. There's no end to Pokémon. That's what I'm saying, <player>!"''

==Sprites==
{| align="center" style="{{roundy|20px}} border: 2px solid #629C20; background: #E08040;"
|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #629C20; background: #FFE683; width:80px"| [[File:Jun.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #629C20; background: #FFE683; width:80px"| [[File:Pearl_back.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #629C20; background: #FFE683; width:80px"| [[File:RivalPlatinum.gif]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Barry sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl}}
| Back sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl}}
| Barry sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Platinum Version|Platinum}}
|}

==Optional names for Barry==
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #e08040;"
! Language !! Diamond !! Pearl !! Platinum
|-
||English
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Barry''
* ''Damion''
* ''Tyson''
* ''Markus''
||
* ''Clint''
* ''Ralph''
* ''Lewis''
* ''Tommy''
||
* ''Barry''
* ''Nolan''
* ''Roy''
* ''Gavin''
|-
|| Japanese
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ジュン ''Jun''
* シゲル ''Shigeru''
* コウジ ''Kōji''
* トシノブ ''Toshinobu''
||
* ヒサシ ''Hisashi''
* ソウスケ ''Sōsuke''
* アキト ''Akito''
* ノゾム ''Nozomu''
||
* ジュン ''Jun''
* テツジ ''Tetsuji''
* ヒロノブ ''Hironobu''
* ヨシノリ ''Yoshinori''
|-
|| French
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Enzo''
* ''Yan''
* ''Marcus''
* ''Niels''
||
* ''Romain''
* ''Quentin''
* ''Mattéo''
* ''Alexis''
||
* ''Enzo''
* ''Théo''
* ''Cédric''
* ''Jacob''
|-
|| German
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Lutz''
* ''Gary''
* ''Marco''
* ''Jochen''
||
* ''Dirk''
* ''Arnold''
* ''Armin''
* ''Bastian''
||
* ''Lutz''
* ''Gary''
* ''Marco''
* ''Jochen''
|-
|| Italian
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Alvise''
* ''Gary''
* ''Marzio''
* ''Markus''
||
* ''Clint''
* ''Ruggero''
* ''Livio''
* ''Tommaso''
||
* ''Alvise''
* ''Rolando''
* ''Ricky''
* ''Gino''
|-
|| Spanish
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Israel''
* ''Rosendo''
* ''Marcos''
* ''Uriel''
||
* ''Germán''
* ''Pablo''
* ''Fabio''
* ''Ignacio''
||
* ''Israel''
* ''Rosendo''
* ''Marcos''
* ''Joni''
|-
|| Korean
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* 용식 ''Yongsik''
* 바람 ''Baram''
* 효지 ''Hyoji''
* 재준 ''Jaejun''
||
* 무현 ''Muhyeon''
* 조연 ''Joyeon''
* 조인 ''Join''
* 정무 ''Jeongmu''
||
* 용식 ''Yongsik''
* 바람 ''Baram''
* 효지 ''Hyoji''
* 재준 ''Jaejun''
|}

In the Japanese versions, if the {{player}} doesn't give a name for the rival, he will be automatically named パール ''Pearl'' in Diamond. In Pearl, the name ダイヤ ''Dia'' is automatically given. In Platinum, either Dia or Pearl will be randomly selected. The same is the case for other versions of the games, choosing either "Diamond" or "Pearl" based on the game being played. The only reason the Japanese games use ダイヤ rather than the full ダイヤモンド for "Diamond" is because a Trainer's name is restricted to five characters in Japan, while elsewhere the restriction is seven.
[[File:Barry.png|right|250px|thumb|Barry in the anime.]]

==In the anime==
{{main|Barry (anime)}}
In the anime, there is a character based on Barry, sharing both his name and his characteristics. He debuts in ''[[DP101|Barry's Busting Out All Over!]]'' and ends up as one of {{Ash}}'s rivals.

==Manga counterparts==
Barry has had counterparts appear in several [[Pokémon manga]].

* In [[Pokémon Adventures]], he has a counterpart named {{Adv|Pearl}}.
* In [[Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Adventure!]], there is a recurring character which shares Barry's likeness and Japanese name, {{OBP|Jun|DPA}}.
* In {{OBP|Pocket Monsters DP|Kosaku Anakubo}}, he has a counterpart named {{OBP|Kazuki|Pocket Monsters DP}}.

==In the TCG==
This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring Barry or his Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].
{| {{bluetable}}
|- style="background: #e08040;"
!Name
!Type
!Level
!Rarity
!Set
!Set no.
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{TCG ID|Diamond & Pearl|Rival|113}} || rowspan=2 | Su || rowspan=2 | – || rowspan=2 | {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Diamond & Pearl}} || 113/130
|-
| {{TCG|Secret Wonders}} || 124/132
|}

==Trivia==
* Barry has achieved a high score of 2000 at [[Pal Park]], which serves as the default high score.
* Among the default names for him in the Japanese version of [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Pokémon Diamond]] is Shigeru, one of the names that are default in both [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Pokémon Red]] and [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|Pokémon FireRed]] for {{ga|Blue}}. "{{Gary}}" is also one of the optional names for him in the German and Italian-language versions of Pokémon Diamond. Gary's Korean Name, 바람 ''Baram'' can also be found among optional names for him in Korean-language version.
* All Japanese default names for Barry come from game staff members' first names. They are all listed in the game's credits. Jun is from '''[[Junichi Masuda]]''', production director and music composer. Shigeru is from '''Shigeru Ōmori''', game design leader. Kōji comes from '''Kōji Nishino''', a game designer. Toshinobu is from '''Toshinobu Matsumiya''', game scenario author. Hisashi is from '''Hisashi Sogabe''', battle system programmer. Sōsuke is from '''Sōsuke Tamada''', field system programmer. Akito is from '''Akito Mori''', communication system programmer and Nozomu is from '''Nozomu Saito''', also one of the programmers.
* Although Barry can only be battled on weekends, if the player saves the game in front of him on a Sunday in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, he can still be battled on weekdays if the player does not leave the Fight Area during the periods of time in between. This was corrected in {{game|Platinum}}.
* Barry has an orange [[Pokétch]], but an old lady in [[Oreburgh City]] states that blue and pink are the only colors that are produced by [[The Pokétch Company]].
* Unlike rivals for the [[Generation II]] and {{gen|III}} games, who have had only cameo appearances at best, Barry has a {{an|Barry|major anime counterpart}}, an honor held by no game rival since {{ga|Blue}}.
* Barry's Heracross's [[ability]] changes in sixth and weekend battles. On the fifth battle, its ability is {{a|Guts}}, while at sixth battle and on, its ability is {{a|Swarm}}.

{{Rival characters}}
{{NPC|orange|sinnoh=yes}}
{{Project CharacterDex notice}}
[[Category:Rival characters]]
[[Category:Diamond and Pearl characters]]
[[Category:Platinum characters]]
[[Category:Male characters]]

[[de:Perl (Spielcharakter)]]
[[es:Rival DP]]
[[fr:Barry (jeux vidéo)]]
[[ja:ライバル (ダイヤモンド・パール・プラチナ)]]

Barry (game)

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{{CharInfobox|
color=E08040 |
corecolor=FFE683 |
bordercolor=629C20 |
name=Barry |
jname=ジュン |
tmname=Jun |
image=Platinum Barry.png |
size=200px |
caption=Art from {{v2|Platinum}} |
gender=Male |
hometown=[[Twinleaf Town]] |
region=[[Sinnoh]] |
relatives={{FB|Tower Tycoon|Palmer}} (father), unnamed mother |
trainer=yes |
trainerclass={{pkmn|Trainer}}, [[Rival]] |
game=yes |
generation={{gen|IV}} |
games={{3v2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}} |
leader=no |
team=no |
brain=no |
anime=counterpart |
animecounterpart={{an|Barry}}|
epnum=DP101 |
epname=Barry's Busting Out All Over! |
manga=counterpart |
mangacounterpart={{adv|Pearl}} |
roundnum=PS338|
roundname=VS. Starly |
}}

'''Barry''' (Japanese: '''ジュン''' ''Jun'') is the [[rival]] character in {{game2|Diamond|Pearl|Platinum}}.

The character {{adv|Pearl}} from the [[Pokémon Adventures]] manga is based on Barry. A version of the character also appears in the {{OBP|Pokémon DP|Shigekatsu Ihara}} manga.

This particular rival also appears on the {{TCG ID|Diamond & Pearl|Rival|113}} card in the {{TCG|Diamond & Pearl}} and {{TCG|Secret Wonders}} expansions of the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].

==In the games==
===In {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}===
Barry, like the player, lives in [[Twinleaf Town]] and is also the player's childhood friend (and soon-to-be [[rival]]). Barry is always in a hurry and extremely impatient, and because of this, often crashes into other people (usually demanding a fine from them) or misses important details.

Barry is incredibly determined and it is very difficult to discourage him; the only thing that has done this so far was his crushing loss to the [[Team Galactic]] {{tc|Commander}}, [[Jupiter]] at [[Lake Acuity]], although this defeat lead to a major positive change in Barry's character, causing him to become slightly more serious, realistic, and mature. He is also quite the braggart, often boasting about his battling prowess or how cool his Pokémon are. Barry ''does'' have a soft side however, as seen after the wild Starly attack.

Barry is also one to take risks and quickly jump into action; it was this behavior that caused the player and himself to be attacked by [[wild]] {{p|Starly}}, setting off the chain reaction that would result in the player receiving his/her first Pokémon.

After becoming the [[Sinnoh League]] {{pkmn|Champion}}, the player can find him training at [[Stark Mountain]] during the week, and at the [[Fight Area]] on weekends in {{v2|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, ready to battle. He desires to get into the [[Battleground]], even asking [[Crasher Wake]]'s help. Unlike the player and {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}}, Barry did not receive a Pokédex, due to him rushing out of [[Professor Rowan]]'s lab before Rowan could give him one.

His father is {{FB|Tower Tycoon|Palmer}}, one of the Sinnoh {{Gdis|Battle Frontier|IV}}'s five [[Frontier Brain]]s. Barry wants to be like him, which is the reason he is so determined and trains hard.

====Pokémon====
''For Barry's Pokémon in {{v|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, see [[Barry (game)/Diamond and Pearl|here]]''.

[[File:Diamond Pearl Barry.png|thumb|160px|Artwork from {{v2|Diamond and Pearl|s}}]]

====Quotes====
{{incomplete|section}}
=====At [[Twinleaf Town]]=====
*In front of his house:
''"'''Thud!!''' What was that about?! Oh, hey, <player>! Hey! I'm going to the lake! You come too! And be quick about it! OK, <player>? I'm fining you {{PDollar}}1 million if you're late! Oh, jeez! Forgot something!"''

*In his room:
''"...I'd better take my [[Bag]] and {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Journal}}, too... Oh, hey, <player>! We're going to the lake! I'll be waiting for on the road! It's a {{PDollar}}10 million fine if you're late!"''

====={{rt|201|Sinnoh}}=====
''"Hey, you saw that news report that was on TV, right? You know, "Search for the [[Red Gyarados]]! The mysterious appearance of the furious Pokémon in a lake!" That show got me to thinking. I'll bet our local lake has a Pokémon like that in it, too! So, that's what we're gonna do. We'll go find a Pokémon like that!"''

*If the player attempts to walk into the tall grass:
''"Remember what your mother said? Mom: "<player>! Don't go into the tall grass!" "Remember, wild Pokémon may attack you if you're walking in tall grass." "It would be OK if you had your own Pokémon, but...""''

*After the events at Lake Verity:
''"Hey, it's those people! Is that old guy staring at us?"''

''"What was all that craziness about? I mean, if he was angry, he could've just yelled at us, or whatever... And didn't he want their Pokémon back...? <player>... We should go home, too...

=====[[Verity Lakefront]]=====
*Before the events at Lake Verity
''"All right! To the lake! Let's find us a red Gyarados!

*After the events at Lake Verity:
''"..You go ahead ...I know we have to go return these Pokémon. They're not ours. But I want to spend just a little more time with this little guy..."''

:*If spoken to:
''"I wish I could grow tougher with this little guy..."''

''"I don't feel like talking... Let's go. ...Are we maybe walking slower than when we went to the lake?"''

:*If the player attempts to enter Lake Verity:
''"Hey, hey! Where do you think you're going? We have to go return these Pokémon..."''

=====[[Lake Verity]]=====
''"What's going on...?"''

''"What was that about? Those two... Huh? <player>! Let's go check this out! ... ... What's that? Don't go into the tall grass? No problem, no problem! We won't be in there long enough for a wild Pokémon to come out."''

''"It's... A briefcase? Those people forgot it here. What are we supposed to do with it? We can try to deliver it, but who are they? I heard them say professor..."''

''"Waaah! Po-Pokémon?! What's going on?!"''

*When selecting a Pokémon:
''"Look! These are Poké Balls! Let's battle using these! Eh...? Which one do you want then?"''

*After the battle:
''"Fwaaah! Your {{p|Turtwig}}/{{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}} totally rocked! But my Chimchar/Piplup/Turtwig was way tougher than yours! ...They were other people's Pokémon, though... But we had to use them... They won't mind, will they?"''

''"What was that about? I don't know what's going on. <player>, let's get out of here. My Pokémon got hurt from that battle. If we get attacked by another Pokémon, we might be in trouble."''

===In {{game|Platinum}}===
In addition to his hyperactive personality, it is shown in the beginning of Platinum, he also gets distracted very easily. In the events of Platinum, Barry suggests going to visit Professor Rowan at his lab rather than go to the lake in search of a Pokémon of the same rarity as a [[red Gyarados]] (as happened in {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}}). When Professor Rowan questions {{ga|Lucas}}/{{ga|Dawn}} and Barry on {{rt|201|Sinnoh}} about going into the [[tall grass]] without any Pokémon, deeming it reckless and wondering if such people were well-suited for Pokémon, Barry admits it was his idea and says that his friend should at least get a Pokémon if not him. After this, Professor Rowan gives them both Pokémon, much to Barry's excitement.

After becoming the [[Sinnoh League]] {{pkmn|Champion}}, he can also be found at the [[Survival Area]] every day, but he can only be battled on weekends.
====Pokémon====
This listing is for Barry's Pokémon in the most recent video game in which he has appeared.

=====First battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 201
|locationname=Route 201
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=390
|pokemon=Chimchar
|type1=Fire
|gender=male
|ability=Blaze
|level=5
|move1=Scratch
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 201
|locationname=Route 201
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=393
|pokemon=Piplup
|type1=Water
|gender=male
|ability=Torrent
|level=5
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 201
|locationname=Route 201
|pokemon=1
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=387
|pokemon=Turtwig
|type1=Grass
|gender=male
|ability=Overgrow
|level=5
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Withdraw
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Second battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}900
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 203
|locationname=Route 203
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=396
|pokemon=Starly
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|level=7
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=390
|pokemon=Chimchar
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Blaze
|level=9
|move1=Scratch
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}900
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 203
|locationname=Route 203
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=396
|pokemon=Starly
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|level=7
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=393
|pokemon=Piplup
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|level=9
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}900
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Sinnoh Route 203
|locationname=Route 203
|pokemon=2
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=396
|pokemon=Starly
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Keen Eye
|level=7
|move1=Quick Attack
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Growl
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=387
|pokemon=Turtwig
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|level=9
|move1=Tackle
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Withdraw
|move2type=Water
|move2cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Third battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Hearthome City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=25
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=23
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=23
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=391
|pokemon=Monferno
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|level=27
|move1=Mach Punch
|move1type=Fighting
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Flame Wheel
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Hearthome City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=25
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=23
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=23
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=394
|pokemon=Prinplup
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|level=27
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Peck
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=BubbleBeam
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Metal Claw
|move4type=Steel
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}2700
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Hearthome City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=25
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=23
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=23
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=388
|pokemon=Grotle
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|level=27
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Razor Leaf
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Absorb
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Curse
|move4type=???
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Fourth battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pastoria City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=34
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=32
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=32
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=391
|pokemon=Monferno
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|level=36
|move1=Mach Punch
|move1type=Fighting
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Flame Wheel
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pastoria City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=34
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=32
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=315
|pokemon=Roselia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=32
|move1=Stun Spore
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=394
|pokemon=Prinplup
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Torrent
|level=36
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Peck
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=BubbleBeam
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Metal Claw
|move4type=Steel
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3600
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pastoria City
|pokemon=4
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=397
|pokemon=Staravia
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=34
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=418
|pokemon=Buizel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=32
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=077
|pokemon=Ponyta
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=32
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=388
|pokemon=Grotle
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|ability=Overgrow
|level=36
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Razor Leaf
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Absorb
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Curse
|move4type=???
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Fifth battle=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3800
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Canalave City
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=36
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=35
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=35
|move1=GrassWhistle
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Toxic Spikes
|move4type=Poison
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Guts
|level=37
|move1=Aerial Ace
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Horn Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=392
|pokemon=Infernape
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Blaze
|level=38
|move1=Brick Break
|move1type=Fighting
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Leer
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Status
|move3=Flame Wheel
|move3type=Fire
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Taunt
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3800
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Canalave City
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=36
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=35
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=35
|move1=GrassWhistle
|move1type=Grass
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Mega Drain
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Special
|move3=Poison Sting
|move3type=Poison
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed
|move4type=Grass
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Guts
|level=37
|move1=Aerial Ace
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Horn Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=395
|pokemon=Empoleon
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Steel
|ability=Torrent
|level=38
|move1=Pound
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Peck
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=BubbleBeam
|move3type=Water
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Metal Claw
|move4type=Steel
|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}3800
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Canalave City
|pokemon=5
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=36
|move1=Double Team
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Status
|move2=Wing Attack
|move2type=Flying
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Quick Attack
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Endeavor
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=35
|move1=Water Gun
|move1type=Water
|move1cat=Special
|move2=Quick Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Pursuit
|move4type=Dark
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Flash Fire
|level=35
|move1=Stomp
|move1type=Normal
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Flame Wheel
|move2type=Fire
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Growl
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Status
|move4=Tail Whip
|move4type=Normal
|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Guts
|level=37
|move1=Aerial Ace
|move1type=Flying
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Horn Attack
|move2type=Normal
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Take Down
|move3type=Normal
|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Close Combat
|move4type=Fighting
|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=389
|pokemon=Torterra
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Ground
|ability=Overgrow
|level=38
|move1=Bite
|move1type=Dark
|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Razor Leaf
|move2type=Grass
|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Absorb
|move3type=Grass
|move3cat=Special
|move4=Curse
|move4type=???
|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Sixth battle=====

{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}5100
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6
|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=48
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=47
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=49
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=48
|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=47
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=392
|pokemon=Infernape
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Blaze
|level=51
|move1=Focus Blast|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Claw|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flamethrower|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Aerial Ace|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}5100
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=47
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=49
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=48
|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=48
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=47
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=395
|pokemon=Empoleon
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Steel
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Torrent
|level=51
|move1=Brine|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Metal Claw|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Aerial Ace|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Shadow Claw|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}5100
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Pokémon League (Sinnoh)
|locationname=Pokémon League
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=48
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=47
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=47
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=48
|move1=Aerial Ace|move1type=Flying|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=49
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=389
|pokemon=Torterra
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Ground
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Overgrow
|level=51
|move1=Leaf Storm|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Synthesis|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

=====Weekend battles=====
{{MSP|387|Turtwig}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Turtwig}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}6500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Survival Area
|pokemon=6

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=59
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=63
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=62
|move1=Megahorn|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=61
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=57
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=392
|pokemon=Infernape
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|type2=Fighting
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Blaze
|level=65
|move1=Focus Blast|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Special
|move2=Shadow Claw|move2type=Ghost|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Flamethrower|move3type=Fire|move3cat=Special
|move4=Aerial Ace|move4type=Flying|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|390|Chimchar}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Chimchar}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}6500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Survival Area
|pokemon=6

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=59
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=63
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=62
|move1=Megahorn|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=61
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=407
|pokemon=Roserade
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Poison
|ability=Natural Cure
|level=61
|move1=Giga Drain|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=GrassWhistle|move2type=Grass|move2cat=Status
|move3=Shadow Ball|move3type=Ghost|move3cat=Special
|move4=Poison Jab|move4type=Poison|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=395
|pokemon=Empoleon
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Water
|type2=Steel
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Torrent
|level=65
|move1=Hydro Pump|move1type=Water|move1cat=Special
|move2=Metal Claw|move2type=Steel|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Drill Peck|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Shadow Claw|move4type=Ghost|move4cat=Physical
}}
}}

{{MSP|393|Piplup}} If the {{player}} chose {{p|Piplup}}:
{{Party|
|color=E08040
|bordercolor=629C20
|headcolor=FFE683
|sprite=RivalPlatinum.gif
|prize={{pdollar}}6500
|class=Pokémon Trainer
|name=Barry
|game=Pt
|location=Survival Area
|pokemon=6

|pokemon1={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=398
|pokemon=Staraptor
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Normal
|type2=Flying
|ability=Intimidate
|level=61
|move1=Close Combat|move1type=Fighting|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Aerial Ace|move2type=Flying|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Steel Wing|move3type=Steel|move3cat=Physical
|move4=U-turn|move4type=Bug|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon4={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=078
|pokemon=Rapidash
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Fire
|ability=Run Away
|level=59
|move1=Fire Blast|move1type=Fire|move1cat=Special
|move2=Sunny Day|move2type=Fire|move2cat=Status
|move3=Bounce|move3type=Flying|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Will-O-Wisp|move4type=Fire|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon5={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=419
|pokemon=Floatzel
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Water
|ability=Swift Swim
|level=59
|move1=Aqua Jet|move1type=Water|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Ice Fang|move3type=Ice|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Brick Break|move4type=Fighting|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon2={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=214
|pokemon=Heracross
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|spritegender=male
|type1=Bug
|type2=Fighting
|ability=Swarm
|level=62
|move1=Megahorn|move1type=Bug|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Close Combat|move2type=Fighting|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Night Slash|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rock Slide|move4type=Rock|move4cat=Physical
}}

|pokemon3={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=143
|pokemon=Snorlax
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Normal
|ability=Immunity
|level=63
|move1=Body Slam|move1type=Normal|move1cat=Physical
|move2=Crunch|move2type=Dark|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Earthquake|move3type=Ground|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Rest|move4type=Psychic|move4cat=Status
}}

|pokemon6={{Pokémon/4
|gen=4
|ndex=389
|pokemon=Torterra
|game=Platinum
|gender=male
|type1=Grass
|type2=Ground
|held=Sitrus Berry
|ability=Overgrow
|level=65
|move1=Leaf Storm|move1type=Grass|move1cat=Special
|move2=Earthquake|move2type=Ground|move2cat=Physical
|move3=Crunch|move3type=Dark|move3cat=Physical
|move4=Leech Seed|move4type=Grass|move4cat=Status
}}
}}

After the [[Elite Four]] are defeated 10 times, Barry's Pokémon's [[level]]s each increase by 10, and his reward money is {{pdollar}}7500. After they are defeated 20 times, his Pokémon gain 10 further levels and his payout is {{pdollar}}8500.

====Quotes====
{{incomplete|section}}
'''[[Twinleaf Town]]'''
*Player's house
:''"There you are! Hey, <player>! Did you just see the TV? Sure you did! Prof. Rowan's that really important guy who studies Pokémon, right? That means he must have lots and lots of Pokémon. So, if we ask him, I bet he'd give us some Pokémon! Oh, hey! Is this a new PC?! Uh... Where was I? Oh, right, right! We're going to go see Prof. Rowan and get some Pokémon. I'll be waiting outside, OK, <player>? If you're late, I'm fining you {{PDollar}}10 million!"''

*Barry's house
:''"'''Thud!''' What was that about?! Oh, hey, <player>! Hey! I'm going to see Prof. Rowan! You should come, too! And quickly! Oh, jeez! Forgot something!"''
:''"...I'd better take my [[Bag]] and {{DL|List of key items in Generation IV|Journal}}, too... Oh, hey, <player>! I'll be waiting for you on the road! It's a {{PDollar}}10 million fine if you're late!"''

'''{{rt|201|Sinnoh}}'''
:''"Too slow! All right! Let's get moving to Prof. Rowan's lab. ... ... What? Don't go into the grass, right? No worries! No problem! It doesn't matter that we don't have any Pokémon. Trust me on this one. I've got an idea! Now listen. You know how wild Pokémon jump out when you go into tall grass? So, what you do is, you scoot over to the next patch of grass before any wild Pokémon can appear! If we just keep dashing, we can get to [[Sandgem Town]] without running into wild Pokémon! OK, stick with me! OK, here goes! On your marks..."
:''"... ... Hey, <player>. This old guy's... It's Prof. Rowan, isn't it? What's he doing here...?"''
::'''No''': ''"Whoa, hold up! You're not making any sense here!"
::'''Yes''': ''"Me, too! I love Pokémon, too!"''
:''"What?! You can ask a hundred times! The answer will never change! We'll both answer a hundred times, we love Pokémon! Right, <player>?"''
:''"...Uh... Well, I, uh... ... ...Well, then forget about me, but give a Pokémon to my friend here! I mean, it was me who tried to go into the tall grass and all..."''
:''"Really?! Prof. Rowan! I can't believe it! I'm so happy now that I can't keep a straight face! Hey, <player>. You can choose first. Hey, I'm practically a grown-up. I have to show some class here."''
:''"Then, I choose you! I'm picking this {{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}}/{{p|Turtwig}}!"''

*Before battle
:''"How do you like that? Prof. Rowan's really nice. On TV, he seems so stern and scary. Heheh, <player>! We've both got Pokémon now. There's only one thing to do, right? Are you up for this?"''
::'''No''': 
::'''Yes''': ''"I've always wanted to say this... The time has finally come! <player>! I challenge you to a battle!"''

*During battle (the first non-KO hit)
:''"What in the...?! That one hurt, you!"''
*During battle (less than half HP)
:''"No way! We can keep going! This is where we hit our stride!"''

*When defeated
:''"What are you saying?! We ended up losing?!"''

*After being defeated
:''"Whew! Let's go home. I'm beat after that battle. My Pokémon needs rest, too. See ya, <player>!"''

:''"Too slow! <player>, I'm sick of waiting! I'm going to go see Prof. Rowan, so I can thank him properly. So, I had this great idea. Listen up, OK? You know that lake where we always play at? You know how they say a legendary Pokémon lives there? You guessed it! Let's catch that Pokémon. That'll make Prof. Rowan happy. I'm sure of that! Me and you together, we've got nothing to fear!"''

*{{tt|When walking|either Route 201 or Verity Lakefront}}:
:''"That Pokémon battle... Wasn't that wickedly fun or what? I mean, I'd pick the moves, and my Pokémon would use them! Yeah, I'm going to battle tons and get real close with Pokémon."''
:''"Pokémon all have different moves, huh? A Trainer makes his Pokémon battle by ordering them to use moves. That's just so awesomely cool."''
:''"Do you believe it? I can hardly believe it. You and me, we're Pokémon Trainers all of a sudden. Man, we've got tons to learn about being a Trainer. But seeing this Poké Ball with this {{p|Chimchar}}/{{p|Piplup}}/{{p|Turtwig}} inside... It makes me feel like I can do anything! Nothing's impossible!
:''"That lake has a mirage Pokémon living in it. Everyone says it's just a legend, but I know I'm right."''
:''"Hey, do you know about the [[Pokémon Champion|Champion]]? There's this out-of-this-world tough Trainer who gets called that. Well, I'm gonna get so tough, the Champ has to battle me. You watch! With this little guy here, I'm sure I can get that tough."''
:''"Hey, that's enough talking already. I'm itching to go to the lake. Come on, come on!"''

'''[[Verity Lakefront]]'''
:''"All right! We're at the lake! Get ready, because we're capturing that legendary Pokémon. Trust me on this one. It's here. It even says so on the sign!"''

'''[[Lake Verity]]'''
:''"What's going on...?"''

:''"What was that about? Weird guy... OK, <player>! Let's catch that legendary Pokémon!"''

:''"! Did you hear that, <player>?! That was the legendary Pokémon crying! That had to be it! OK! This is our chance! Let's catch it! ...Wait! What...?! We don't have anything on us! You know, Poké Balls! P-O-K-accent-E Balls! If we don't have those, we can't catch Pokémon or take them around with us! ...Do you think Prof. Rowan'd give us some if we asked him? You know, you remember what he said, don't you? He said to visit him at his lab if we needed anything. OK, <player>! I'll race you! First one to the professor's lab in Sandgem Town rules!"''

'''[[Sandgem Town]]'''
:''"'''Thud!!''' What the... Oh, it's you, <player>! That old guy... He's not scary so much as he is totally out there! Aww, it doesn't matter, <player>. I'm out of here. See you later!"''

'''[[Pokémon academy|Trainers' school]] in [[Jubilife City]]'''
:''"Hey, <player>! Did you come to study, too? I went ahead and memorized everything that was up on the blackboard. After all, it's the Trainer's job to avoid having their precious Pokémon hurt in battle, right? So, <player>, what brings you? Huh? You've got [[Parcel|something]] for me? So, what is this...? Score! It's a [[Town Map]]! Huh?! Why are there two in here? I like it a lot, but I don't need two. Here, <player>, you take one! Hm... Well, according to the Town Map, I guess [[Oreburgh City]] is where I should be going next. There's a [[Oreburgh City Gym|Gym]], so it'd be perfect for raising the Pokémon I just caught. Well, I'm on the road to becoming the greatest Trainer of all time! See you around!"''

'''{{rt|203|Sinnoh}}'''
*Before battle
:''"Hey! <player>! Tell me you got a little tougher! Me? Do you even need to ask? Of course I got tougher! Come on! I'll demonstrate it to you!"''

*During battle (the first non-KO hit)
:''"Don't get cocky! This isn't over yet!"''
*During battle (less than half HP)
:''"My Pokémon's getting low on HP... Things could get tight here."''

*When defeated
:''"What just happened? I lost?!"''

*After being defeated
:''"Waah! What do you mean I lost?! Well, that's it! That's the last time I'll ever lose! I'm going to be the world's toughest Trainer, and you know it! The first thing to do is take on the Oreburgh City Pokémon Gym! I'm gonna toughen up for that, totally!"''

'''[[Oreburgh City]]'''
:''"Hunh? Oh, it's you, <player>! You finally got here? You're slow like always. But, anyway, the [[Roark|Gym Leader's]] tough! Like, seriously serious! If the Gym Leader's this tough, I wonder how he compares to my [[Tower Tycoon Palmer|dad]]... Huh? I just drifted there. Anyway, the Gym Leader's gone off to the [[Oreburgh Mine|coal mine]]. If you want to take on the Gym Leader, you'd better go off to the mine!"''

:''"I told you, the Gym Leader went down to the Oreburgh Mine. If you want to take the Gym challenge, you have to go down to the mine."''

:''"'''Thud!!''' Whoops! <player>! You got the [[Coal Badge|Gym Badge]], huh? [[Eterna City]] is the next place with a [[Eterna City Gym|Gym]] that gives away [[Badge|Badges]], right? So, yeah, I went to {{rt|207|Sinnoh}}, but you can't go there without a [[Bicycle]]. I made my team battle and toughened them up, so it wasn't a waste. So, I'm going back to Jubilife City. Next stop, the [[Forest Badge|Eterna Gym Badge]]! Ten seconds before I dash! Nine... Bah! Who's got time to count?!"''

'''[[Eterna City]]'''
:''"'''Thud!!''' Hey there, <player>! You came to see the Pokémon statue, right? I'll take you there! What the..."''

:''"Oh, hey! When we smacked together, a brilliant flash of inspiration came to me! An easy way to become a great Trainer! Yeah, that! All right. Listen close... Make certain all your attacks hit! Avoid enemy attacks for sure! You do that, you'd never lose! You'd be the invincible Trainer! Anyway, go check out the Pokémon statue. See you around!"''

'''[[Survival Area]]'''
*Before battle
:''"Hey, <player>! You aren't the only one getting tougher! I'll prove it to you! Let's go!"''

*When defeated
:''"What just went down?! You told me I've just lost again?!"''

*After being defeated
:''"...! It's alright, though. Keep getting tougher <player>. The more you do, the tougher my Pokémon and I get too. There's no end to Pokémon. That's what I'm saying, <player>!"''

==Sprites==
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|- align=center
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #629C20; background: #FFE683; width:80px"| [[File:Jun.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #629C20; background: #FFE683; width:80px"| [[File:Pearl_back.png]]
|style="{{roundy|80px}} border: 2px solid #629C20; background: #FFE683; width:80px"| [[File:RivalPlatinum.gif]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Barry sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl}}
| Back sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond and Pearl}}
| Barry sprite from {{color2|000|Pokémon Platinum Version|Platinum}}
|}

==Optional names for Barry==
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #88a; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #e08040;"
! Language !! Diamond !! Pearl !! Platinum
|-
||English
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Barry''
* ''Damion''
* ''Tyson''
* ''Markus''
||
* ''Clint''
* ''Ralph''
* ''Lewis''
* ''Tommy''
||
* ''Barry''
* ''Nolan''
* ''Roy''
* ''Gavin''
|-
|| Japanese
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ジュン ''Jun''
* シゲル ''Shigeru''
* コウジ ''Kōji''
* トシノブ ''Toshinobu''
||
* ヒサシ ''Hisashi''
* ソウスケ ''Sōsuke''
* アキト ''Akito''
* ノゾム ''Nozomu''
||
* ジュン ''Jun''
* テツジ ''Tetsuji''
* ヒロノブ ''Hironobu''
* ヨシノリ ''Yoshinori''
|-
|| French
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Enzo''
* ''Yan''
* ''Marcus''
* ''Niels''
||
* ''Romain''
* ''Quentin''
* ''Mattéo''
* ''Alexis''
||
* ''Enzo''
* ''Théo''
* ''Cédric''
* ''Jacob''
|-
|| German
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Lutz''
* ''Gary''
* ''Marco''
* ''Jochen''
||
* ''Dirk''
* ''Arnold''
* ''Armin''
* ''Bastian''
||
* ''Lutz''
* ''Gary''
* ''Marco''
* ''Jochen''
|-
|| Italian
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Alvise''
* ''Gary''
* ''Marzio''
* ''Markus''
||
* ''Clint''
* ''Ruggero''
* ''Livio''
* ''Tommaso''
||
* ''Alvise''
* ''Rolando''
* ''Ricky''
* ''Gino''
|-
|| Spanish
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* ''Israel''
* ''Rosendo''
* ''Marcos''
* ''Uriel''
||
* ''Germán''
* ''Pablo''
* ''Fabio''
* ''Ignacio''
||
* ''Israel''
* ''Rosendo''
* ''Marcos''
* ''Joni''
|-
|| Korean
| style="vertical-align: top;" |
* 용식 ''Yongsik''
* 바람 ''Baram''
* 효지 ''Hyoji''
* 재준 ''Jaejun''
||
* 무현 ''Muhyeon''
* 조연 ''Joyeon''
* 조인 ''Join''
* 정무 ''Jeongmu''
||
* 용식 ''Yongsik''
* 바람 ''Baram''
* 효지 ''Hyoji''
* 재준 ''Jaejun''
|}

In the Japanese versions, if the {{player}} doesn't give a name for the rival, he will be automatically named パール ''Pearl'' in Diamond. In Pearl, the name ダイヤ ''Dia'' is automatically given. In Platinum, either Dia or Pearl will be randomly selected. The same is the case for other versions of the games, choosing either "Diamond" or "Pearl" based on the game being played. The only reason the Japanese games use ダイヤ rather than the full ダイヤモンド for "Diamond" is because a Trainer's name is restricted to five characters in Japan, while elsewhere the restriction is seven.
[[File:Barry.png|right|250px|thumb|Barry in the anime.]]

==In the anime==
{{main|Barry (anime)}}
In the anime, there is a character based on Barry, sharing both his name and his characteristics. He debuts in ''[[DP101|Barry's Busting Out All Over!]]'' and ends up as one of {{Ash}}'s rivals.

==Manga counterparts==
Barry has had counterparts appear in several [[Pokémon manga]].

* In [[Pokémon Adventures]], he has a counterpart named {{Adv|Pearl}}.
* In [[Pokémon Diamond & Pearl Adventure!]], there is a recurring character which shares Barry's likeness and Japanese name, {{OBP|Jun|DPA}}.
* In {{OBP|Pocket Monsters DP|Kosaku Anakubo}}, he has a counterpart named {{OBP|Kazuki|Pocket Monsters DP}}.

==In the TCG==
This listing is of cards mentioning or featuring Barry or his Pokémon in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game]].
{| {{bluetable}}
|- style="background: #e08040;"
!Name
!Type
!Level
!Rarity
!Set
!Set no.
|-
| rowspan=2 | {{TCG ID|Diamond & Pearl|Rival|113}} || rowspan=2 | Su || rowspan=2 | – || rowspan=2 | {{rar|Uncommon}} || {{TCG|Diamond & Pearl}} || 113/130
|-
| {{TCG|Secret Wonders}} || 124/132
|}

==Trivia==
* Barry has achieved a high score of 2000 at [[Pal Park]], which serves as the default high score.
* Among the default names for him in the Japanese version of [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Pokémon Diamond]] is Shigeru, one of the names that are default in both [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Pokémon Red]] and [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|Pokémon FireRed]] for {{ga|Blue}}. "{{Gary}}" is also one of the optional names for him in the German and Italian-language versions of Pokémon Diamond. Gary's Korean Name, 바람 ''Baram'' can also be found among optional names for him in Korean-language version.
* All Japanese default names for Barry come from game staff members' first names. They are all listed in the game's credits. Jun is from '''[[Junichi Masuda]]''', production director and music composer. Shigeru is from '''Shigeru Ōmori''', game design leader. Kōji comes from '''Kōji Nishino''', a game designer. Toshinobu is from '''Toshinobu Matsumiya''', game scenario author. Hisashi is from '''Hisashi Sogabe''', battle system programmer. Sōsuke is from '''Sōsuke Tamada''', field system programmer. Akito is from '''Akito Mori''', communication system programmer and Nozomu is from '''Nozomu Saito''', also one of the programmers.
* Although Barry can only be battled on weekends, if the player saves the game in front of him on a Sunday in {{game|Diamond and Pearl|s}}, he can still be battled on weekdays if the player does not leave the Fight Area during the periods of time in between. This was corrected in {{game|Platinum}}.
* Barry has an orange [[Pokétch]], but an old lady in [[Oreburgh City]] states that blue and pink are the only colors that are produced by [[The Pokétch Company]].
* Unlike rivals for the [[Generation II]] and {{gen|III}} games, who have had only cameo appearances at best, Barry has a {{an|Barry|major anime counterpart}}, an honor held by no game rival since {{ga|Blue}}.
* Barry's Heracross's [[ability]] changes in sixth and weekend battles. On the fifth battle, its ability is {{a|Guts}}, while at sixth battle and on, its ability is {{a|Swarm}}.

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Talk:Barry (game)

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== Why Damion? ==

The fact that Damion is based on Diamond doesn't auromatically mean that it's his default English name. So, why is he identified as Damion in this article? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:04, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:Because he was referred as "Damion" in the game synopsis in D&P pre-release. - [[User:Mitsumasa|Mitsumasa]] 14:17, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::Where is that synopsis? Is that OFFICIAL synopsis? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 14:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Sure it is, good man. Screenshots of the game show "Damion" as one of the listed names for him (the others are Barry, Tyson and Markus). - [[User:Mitsumasa|Mitsumasa]] 15:21, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
::::But Barry is on the top, Damion is not. So, Barry has higher "value". --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::No, it doesn't. It's just "another" name. The order doesn't matter. Damion was used by Nintendo. - [[User:Mitsumasa|Mitsumasa]] 21:48, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Where was Damion used? Because you said on the name list, but Barry's there also. So, where is it used, besides in the game itself? Did Nintendo refer to him as Damion during an interview, and can you link me to it? Do they refer to him as Barry also? - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 7:06 PM, April 17, 2007

:Could someone post the article where Nintendo uses Damion, and the video where it shows the list of names for the rival?--[[User:DSDark|DSDark]] 16:57, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

::We have Damion's optional Pearl names. Is he still Damion? - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] 2:26 PM April 22, 2007

(I have a topic about this on the BMGf, but I think I should also adress it here.) I think the in-game data should be taken at more value than even Nintnedo's word, or guides (which they apparently have used "Gary" for Blue.) That said, I also don't think we've ever deviated from using a name if the game dosen't randomize it when we enter a blank name in-game.

With Diamond being the 'primary' version, if you enter his name in blank, it comes up as "Pearl". If I'm not mistaken this is exactly how we get Blue's name in the original versions.

I'd still like to see some of Nintnedo's use of the name, regardless.
--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 05:05, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

The guide is up on BT. Anyone have the pages which refer to him as Damion? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 21:56, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
:He's simply called "[your] rival".--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Then I agree this should be moved to "Pearl (game)". Any objections? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 23:16, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I object. BTW, I thought that Blue got his name from GSC? - [[User:Jonah|Jonah]] May 4th

Yes, I found out that I was wrong about the Blue thing. My mistake. I still think it's a working argument when compared to characters like Gold, Kris, and Silver (I'm told Crystal version gives you the name Silver by default.)
--[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 10:22, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Excuse me but after I got my Luxray to Lv. 100 I battled Pearl but his pokémon had reached levels above 70, should that be added?[[User:Nobody|TheRampardosMaster]] 18:22, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
:Make a note of the new levels next time you battle him and post them here. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 10:46, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Staraptor Lv 68, Floatzel Lv 69, Rapidash Lv 69, Snorlax Lv 70, Torterra Lv 74, Heracross Lv 70
[[User:Nobody|TheRampardosMaster]] 05:48, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

:He's not lying. I checked in-game Trainer list and there is a data for such battle. Yeah. I just have a question. Where did you battle him with such team? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 10:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, after I beat him at the Battle Zone the first time I decided to go to the pokémon league so I could train my lv 75 Luxray to lv 100, 2 weeks later my Luxray reached 100 and so I decided to look for Cresselia and Giratina the only 2 non-event legendaries I didnt own and when I caught them I went back to the Battle Zone to challenge him and my lv 100 Luxray was the first one in my party and when the battle started all his pokémon were stronger than before and thats all I recall doing, but if anyone is interested in seeing the match I plan on posting the battle on youtube later this week, so if anyone wants to see it contact my user page and I'll direct you to my user page on youtube, I hope this helps. [[User:Nobody|TheRampardosMaster]] 05:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure your rival's level goes up because you beat the Elite Four 20 times. Or something like that. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 05:40, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

His levels increase by ten after you become a 20-time champion (i.e. beat the crap of of Cynthia 20 times) [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:50, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

:In theory, this makes him the strongest NPC trainer ever! Even stronger than [[Red (game)|Red]]! --[[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 07:35, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, that's because he trains and Red doesn't ^^; [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 11:55, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

:First of all, in case you are under the impression that his team reaches level 100, that is false. The game data puts his ''final'' team in the 68-74 range, with his starter at level 74. This means that Pearl's team is below that of Green (Blue's Japanese name and English name in the context of FireRed and LeafGreen), whose starter manages to reach level 75 post-Sevii Islands (the minimum level on his updated team is 72). Next in line is Steven, whose Metagross makes it to level 78 in Emerald (the minimum level is 75). Last but not least (and the first chronologically) is Red, whose Pikachu remains the highest-leveled Pokémon at 81, surpassing even wild Arceus. [[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 11:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::Oh...so that means I can still beat the crap out of him after maxing out my team's level...'''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|Ph34r4ever]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk page]][[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]</sc>{{{1|10:05 9 Feb 2008}}}
''' 10:05, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

About the name again... isn't it a little strange call him "Pearl" when there is no "Diamond" in the games?... I still think we should call him "Barry"... - [[User:Taylor|Taylor]] 17:52, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:That's for the forums, not here. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 01:54, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

== Resemblance? ==

Has anyone noted that Pearl seems inspired in design from [[wp:List_of_Mother_3_characters#Lucas|Lucas]] of Mother 3? Or has it already been placed on this page and removed?

== Time of appearance ==

Well, it's currently Saturday right now, yet Pearl doesn't seem to show up where he's supposed to in the Fight Area. It's night though, which might mean he only shows up on weekends during daytime. Anyone able to confirm this? It might be worth mentioning it in the article if this is the case. --[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 22:15, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:He shows up at night. There must be something wrong with the date of your game. '''[[User:Pachirisulover12|PL]][[User talk:Pachirisulover12|12]]''' 22:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
::He shows up at 12:00 AM in your game on Saturday morning... provided you didn't save it in the Fight Area Friday night before turning it off or arrived in the Fight Area one minute before it hit 12. Enter and then leave and there he is. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Unfortunately, no. I just noticed he doesn't show up for me during daytime either, however, and yeah, I've tried exiting and reentering in a number of ways, still no Pearl. I'm starting to think it might be necessary to fill some criteria in order to make him appear; any thoughts? (Also, in case you're wondering, I gained access to the Fight Area without using cheats of any kind, so it's not that)--[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 08:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Odd... he's always been there for me... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Yeah... he doesn't seem to show up around Stark Mountain either. --[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 08:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::You sure your game isn't just glitched up...? I don't think you have too do anything/fill in some criteria for him to appear there...I might be wrong though...[[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 09:38, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::It could be, but naturally, I'd like to at least try and find an explanation for the problem... He still doesn't appear (checked last weekend). I'm starting to wonder if this could have something to do with my first venture into Stark Mountain; I got Buck to join, but then pretty much ditched him and got out of there (resulting in him not appearing when I go back, haven't checked if I'm still able to get Heatran). Might be a bit far fetched, but it's one of the only explanations I can come up with. I also realize I've had Emerald in the DS every time I've checked for him, I'll remove it next time and see if it has anything to do with it, though I don't really see how... --[[User:Thembi|Thembi]] 18:13, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Ummmm, Im getting the same problem, I dont see Pearl at all in the Fight Area, and its daytime right now, 12:44pm. I havent gone to Stark Mountain at all in reply to Thembi...[[User:Zolt991|Zolt991]] 19:45, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Disambiguation page? ==
This really needs a disambiguation for [[Jun (Ihara)|Jun]]. I'd make one myself, but I don't know how to yet. --[[User:Jennyrogue|JennyRogue]]

== Platinum characters ==

Shouldn't Pearl be included in the Platinum characters category? Platinum artwork of him confirms he appears in the game.

== His Pokémon? ==
Should they be left as pure text, or converted to team boxes to look tidier?
Edits earlier made the whole article look a mess. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 10:38, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

== Weavile ==

I heard that in a new trailer for Platinum, there was a double battle between the player and rival and Flint and Volkner. I also heard that in the trailer, he owned a Weavile. Should this be noted? [[User:Garrison12795|Garr]][[Ludicolo (Pokémon)|ison]][[User talk:Garrison12795|12795]] 06:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

== Battle Data ==

This section's REALLY confusing... [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 01:04, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== New Name? ==

Since I was under the impression that Silver was Silver because both Gold and Crystal had listed that as the default name, would we call Pearl one of the ingame names if a name used in Platinum is the same default in either Diamond and Pearl? Example: They use Barry in Diamond as the first default, and use Barry again in Platinum, could that be enough to make it the "unofficial" offical name? Or whatever name it comes up with (Diamond/Pearl) if we enter the name in blank since two out of the three versions agree.

Actually since people have JP Diamond, can they confirm what his default name is again if you enter it blank?--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 02:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:I suggest you look at the discussion at the top of this page. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 03:10, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

::I did. He's called Pearl because that's Diamond's default name. We got Blue's name from GSC, and Silver's name from G/C and Kris because Crystal is the only game she appeared in leaving Gold as the only unclaimed name. However, what I am asking is what happens if Platinum's default name does not agree with Diamond but agrees with Pearl's (which I assume is Diamond). If two out of three versions would claim it as his name, that seems official enough. So I'm just wondering what Platinum's default name is. Though we consider DIamond to be the "primary" game, Pearl shares more characteristics with older primary games with its red-themed colour and Palkia being later in the dex, and Platinum's preference to Palkia's statue in Eterna city. I'm just wondering what its default name is, and that if it isn't Pearl but Diamond, would it be enough to change the article name? I guess I could check around on the forums for its default name and let the issue die if it is Pearl.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 03:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I think the bigger question, if the rival's name in Pt is Diamond, would be if it's supposed to be Pokémon Pearl and Diamond, rather than Diamond and Pearl. I mean, all stuff's used D/P, but... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:00, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh also, the Eterna statue is kinda the same thing as Kyogre being in the Seafloor Cavern and Aqua's hideout being in Lilycove's cove. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:00, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I Think his Japanese name is Jun because The Name "Jun" Is a Random name In the Japanese Versions Of D/P [[User:Pokemon94|Pokemon94]] 04:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Having just got Platinum, I can say for sure that if you don't specify a name for Pearl, the game will randomly pick either Diamond or Pearl. [[User:KinCryos|KinCryos]] 23:32, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I feel kinda like a moron for being probably the main starter of this whole "Pearl" thing in 2007. I'm surprised that Bulbapedia still has his name as this. So now I'm going to argue against my old self. Apologies in advance to any OCD maniacs I "forced" to name the rival "Pearl" in their games, or write fanfics with. I did the same in my DP.

::::I think at this point it's highly implied his intended name is Barry. Back in 2007 Jun seemed to be just a name the fans picked up for the sake of needing a name. Whether or not it was influenced by the fans, the reintroduction of the name Barry as the first name in Plat seems to be an unusual thing that hasn't really happened with any other characters as far as I can tell. Also the anime producers seem to be very cautious about how they name characters these days, they don't seem to be throwing darts at a board anymore with this random Satoshi/Kenta stuff. They're really being careful these days. While it's true Barry (game) does not equal Barry (anime) that doesn't discount it as coming from a very important source that carefully picked the name. Anyway, I know why the name Pearl was picked - but older Pokemon games had their Official™ character names picked from the first slot in the optional name menu as well. I could go back and see EXACTLY how each of the names originated, but they have come about in many different ways. We got Leaf from what, internal coding? Anyway, summary: Name Barry is highly implied by Pokemon Co. at this point, no longer just a fan pick. We don't need to pretend to ignore the hints.

::::Anyway I'll gladly argue this further. I just wanted to reintroduce this discussion, as I feel I need to right a wrongdoing I have done in the Pokemon community.[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 19:36, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Nope. His intended name isn't Barry any more than {{ga|Blue}}'s is [[Gary]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Says who? -[[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::The same could be said with his name "Diamond" in Pearl version almost. Since in Plat you get a randomization between the two. If Pearl was intended one would assume that his auto name in Platinum would have just ended up "Pearl". We've gotten other character names from the first names out of the list of optional names. Does the auto name really hold priority over the first name in a list that has backing in Platinum (And is the only name to return from Diamond or Pearl), and support from Pokemon themselves? This argument for Pearl made more sense when we didn't have anything else to grasp onto. If the internal data referred to him as Barry would that be sufficient, like Leaf?[[User:Porygon|Porygon]] 21:23, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I agree. Calling him "Pearl" seems pretty dumb to me, considering that:
:::::::*It would mean that there should be a characer named "Diamond"
:::::::*"Diamond" seems to be as valid a name for him as "Pearl" because of Platinum
:::::::*The games stopped naming the characters after the versions during the previous generation
:::::::*The player characters are callled Lucas and Dawn
:::::::*The anime named his counterpart Barry/Jun, after abandoning the tradition of renaming the game characters (anime May, Dawn, Solana and Kellyn have the same name as their game counterparts)
:::::::[[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

::::::::It stays as Pearl, because it is the default name if you don't name him, same with Lucas and Dawn.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 01:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::The same could be said about the name "Diamond"! - [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:Platinum doesn't cut it, because DP were the first sources. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:24, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

::So? That still doesn't make "Pearl" the most used name. He was called "Pearl" in Diamond and "Diamond" in Pearl.
::And the only reason why the "rival's real name is his default name in the primary game version, which is also the title name of the "secondary" game version of that generation" rule worked in RGBY and GSC was because a) The player character's default name was the primary version, and b) the "extra versions" (japanese Blue, Yellow, Crystal) used the second version's title as a default name for the rival. None of these excuses apply to DPPt. - [[User:Spideym|Spideym]] 01:40, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
:Hmmm... I would love to argue this, but all the arguments are made. He is Diamond twice, Pearl twice, and Barry twice. We don’t name Lucas and Dawn Diamond or whatnot... --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 14:18, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

:: I think his name should be one of the default names that ''isn't'' Pearl :/. I mean, seriously, in R/S/E the trio all had real names. Brendan, May, and Wally. In D/P/Pt, if the players are Lucas and Dawn, then why would the rival be named Pearl? O_o... that makes no sense. If I recall correctly, the first name in my Diamond and Platinum versions for the rival that had nothing to do with the version name is Barry. So IMO, his name should be Barry, or one of the other default names '''that isn't Diamond, or Pearl, or Plato'''. --Chaos Rush 00:37:25 (UTC)
::: That's because they actually HAD names in RSE. You didn't get to name them. Pearl doesn't have a set name. If the only reason we are arguing this is because we don't like Pearl for a guys name, then this is stupid and pointless. Diamond is the first game and we should go by what the default is for that game. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

==Shouldnt We Mention...==
That he is Going to Appear in the Anime Soon?{{Unsigned|Envidia}}
:Unconfirmed.--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 23:43, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
::Not only unconfirmed, but that would be like making part of {{ga|Blue}}'s page dedicated to [[Gary]]. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:59, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Unprotect ==

Shouldn't this article be unprotected? It's already proven Jun ''is'' Pearl. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 14:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

:I don't think so. For all we saw in the preview, Jun is for an article. Something like [[Jun (anime)]], and not for "In the anime" in this article. --[[User:Nick.|Nick.]], [[User talk:Nick.|something to say?]] 16:34, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::Jun should go in the anime section similar to [[Brendan]], [[Misty]] and [[Brock]]. [[DP100]] can at least be unprotected. [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 19:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh...this is the page for the character Pearl? Oh, I thought it was talking about Pearl as in Diamond and Pearl...no wonder why your comments did not make sense...but this just proves that the name should be changed.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 04:33, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Pt Arwork ==

I don't mean to start edit war with Matt, but he insists to replace the current image with pic 2.
<gallery>
File:Jun Platinum.png|1
File:Junplatinum.jpg|2
</gallery>
Decide for which you think is better. I say pic 1. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 14:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:yes, I must agree that the first picture is better. Its larger and better quality.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 14:24, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::Ehh, Clarky, in terms of size, the second is bigger. =.= '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 14:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Hehe, why so it is. But the first doesn't have such a giant white section around it, if that's clear enough O.o--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 14:31, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I think the first pic is better. It has no white space and the second one, at that size, seems to have some odd artifacts or whatever. At least on my screen. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 14:33, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::I can clear it up for ya, if needed. I have the editing tools.--'''[[User:Prmatt11|''Mew'']] [[User talk:Prmatt11|a.k.a.]] [[Special:Contributions/Prmatt11|Prmatt11]]''' at 12:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Do that then.--'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:21, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Great!!!! We need the best pictures to be the best Pokémon pedia.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:22, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::And consult {{u|Sketch}} or TTE before replacing the image, please. '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 12:28, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Why? Is Sketch another editor in chief?--'''[[User:Prongs|Prongs]] '''([[User Talk:Prongs|Talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Prongs|Contributions]])''' 12:30, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Yes... of pictures.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 12:32, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:He's a graphic designer, an "image specialist". '''►[[User:Kevzo8|Ҝə]][[Special:Contributions/Kevzo8|υz]][[User_talk:Kevzo8|ø8]]''' 12:33, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I stumbled on this by accident. I can see why both pictures would be used...but I'm going to have to say 1. There's nothing particularly wrong with it...it's PNG and no matter what, even if we were to use the JPG, it would just be reduced to that size anyway. So if anything, we can hold onto that higher quality version. And upon further inspection, if that bigger image were to be reduced, the pixels compress and gives it a grainy look. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:37, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
==Pearl knows who his father is==
Can someone change the bottom of the first section of this article. Pearl is in fact aware of who his father is when you reach the Battle Frontier in Platinum, as he specifically calls his father the Tycoon.--[[User:The Great Snorlax|The Great Snorlax]] 04:04, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

==Leveling up in Platinum==
I've beaten the Elite Four twenty times in Platinum, and his team was at the eighty level (Level 85 Starter). However, I did not see when his team was at the seventy level (Level 75 starter). Does anybody know when his level is between 65 and 85 (How many times the E4 has to be beaten)? --[[User:Rockersk08|rock]][[User talk:Rockersk08|ersk]][[Special:Contributions/Rockersk08|08]] 00:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

== Roserade knows Intimidate? ==

Under Sixth battle then, Last battle, then Phase 1, and under If the player chose Chimchar, Roserade has the ability Intimidate... Weird. -[[User:MasterKenobi|MasterKenobi]] 21:27, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Why do we call him Pearl, anyway? ==

The page was moved long ago without any reason (specified reason: "this is really dumb") by the least trustable person in the world. Why do we call him Pearl, honestly? Because SHE thought it's fitting? Come on... There is nothing that points to the name "Pearl". Except the hidden PLACEHOLDER name data in Japanese version. But the same data calls him "Cedric" in English version. And we're definitely not going to call him Cedric. The most "default" name for him is Barry/Jun - this is the name that appeared at the top in TWO games (so, it outclasses other names) and was used by other canons (anime and DPA [Japanese]). Also, the prerelease Japanese screenshots showed his name as "Jun". So, I think there's no reason to call him with a uncanonical, fanmade name "Pearl". His most confirmed name from the games is Barry/Jun/Enzo/Lutz/Alvise/Israel/Yongsik, not Pearl. The version-naming scheme is already OBSOLETE in the games. I'm wholeheartedly voting for the move. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 15:22, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
:I am against this move. We've called him Pearl for way too long, and there are too many links to {{ga|Pearl|Pearl (game)}}, so it will take forever to change that all to Barry. But, probably none of you will listen to me. --[[User:CuboneKing|CUBONE PWNS]] ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) [[Cubone (Pokémon)|Meet my army!]] 16:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::That's not any reason. Bulbapedia should provide real information, not comfortably sticking to old beliefs (which were caused by unreasonable move). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 16:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:::We can always see the what links here page to find the links to pearl (game) [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[Turtwig (Pokémon)|wig]] [[User talk:Turtwig A|A]] '''''[[Special:Contributions/Turtwig_A|Contributions]]''''' 16:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::::My head hurts... but anyway, just saying, if you do move it, expect a "move war". Go ahead, yell at me. --[[User:CuboneKing|CUBONE PWNS]] ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) [[Cubone (Pokémon)|Meet my army!]] 17:00, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::This page is move-protected. An admin has to move that. I already messaged TTE. So, there will be no move war (unless between admins, which is impossible :P) --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:03, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::Why is it always me vs. Bulbapedia... well, you have my opinion. I say NO! --[[User:CuboneKing|CUBONE PWNS]] ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) [[Cubone (Pokémon)|Meet my army!]] 17:10, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::By the way, it is possible for a move war between admins. --[[User:CuboneKing|CUBONE PWNS]] ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) [[Cubone (Pokémon)|Meet my army!]] 17:11, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::We aren't going to have a move war. But "most confirmed name" isn't much of a ringing endorsement, is it? I'm not sure where I fall on this issue. I can say that fixing the links isn't that hard. But I'd want to get it right, whatever we do. Yes, Maxim, I'm aware that you're going to comment that by "getting it right" we must move this to Barry. No need to bludgeon me with it, I want to hear all sides. -- '''[[User:evkl|evkl]]''' [[User_talk:evkl|(need to talk?)]] 17:53, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

:We're not calling this character Barry. You're suggesting the name "Pearl" is 100% fanon. However, it is not. Leave the custom name entry on Diamond blank, that's how this name came up.

:Based on your placeholder-data evidence, the only move we would even consider making would be to "Cedric", not "Barry". Placeholder data, which is how we got the name "{{ga|Leaf}}", is considered more name-worthy than an optional name in a list. "Barry" is no more of a default than "Clint" is. If we ignore Pearl and we ignore Cedric, then we might as well call this article "Rival (Generation IV)".

:As far as I'm concerned, this page ain't going anywhere, and even if it was, it certainly would not be going to "Barry (game)". --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
::Perhaps it's too late to stat my opinion, but I disapprove with the move proposal. Also, Maxim, don't get so butthurt over the name. It's just a name. xD And as said, we've called him Pearl for far too long to change his name too Barry (or whatever) now. [[User:Takoto|~~Takoto]] - [[User_talk:Takoto|タコト]] 01:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, sure. I want to use actual names, so I'm butthurt. Love your logic. "Too long" is not an argument. As for links, I can do it. Even by myself. Bulbapedia is not the place for fanficks. And actually Barry is the canonest name for him - the usage in media confirms it. Those "blank" names don't really matter to us, because they are different in every version. Barry, however, appeared as a top optional name in TWO versions, making it more important. Also, since Hoenn the anime uses the same name for game characters as in the games, while the version-naming scheme (still used by Special) is now almost completely obsolete in the games, used only for optional purposes. Barry is the most real name for him, regardless of what fans call him. Anyway, it wouldn't be the first time that we move such a major page, would it? Also, the only reason why we call FR/LG girl "Leaf" is just the fact that there is no other pre-set name for her (aside from 17 optional names, which are completely random), not because placeholder data is such a trustable material (if it was, we would have to call Blue "Terry"). --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 07:49, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm agreeing on the change. He's called Barry in the anime, right? And Barry is the default name. And nowhere in canon Nintendo is he referred to as Pearl, regardless of the blank input thing (because then we should name him Pearl/Diamond (Rival) ). So even if we've called him Pearl for so long, it's false information to keep it that way. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 06:19, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::It was decided already that it's not moving. Case closed. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:38, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::So we're keeping false information on the site because "it's been that way too long"? Some informative site. It's like saying evolution is wrong because we've been thinking of creationism for so long, or obviously lets stop finding a cure for cancer because it's been incurable for so long. :/ Not that this is anywhere near that important, but it's still like... annoying, ya know? Hope i didn't offend anyone. ._. I'm sorry if i did. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 20:50, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::IT'S NOT FALSE!!!!!!--[[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 20:52, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::...nice evidence there. xD CAPSLOCKS makes everything more important. O_o [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 22:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: His name should be Barry, since both Diamond and Platinum version lists that as his default name :/. Alternatively it should be Cedric, due to unused data. I mean, seriously, the trio names are completely messed up. Lucas, Dawn, and ''Pearl''!?!?!? That makes absolutely no sense at all. Lucas, Dawn, and Barry/Cedric would make much more sense, since ''Pearl isn't even a real name'' :/. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 20:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::I agree, and i offer to help change all the pages to fit. [[User:CherryParanoia|CherryParanoia]] 19:03, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Okay, I don't know if it will make any difference, but I agree with {{u|Maxim}} and {{u|CherryParanoia}}. As said, Pearl is a completely fandom name, while Barry is not. It is the most relevant game name, since it appears in two of them as first option. At the same time some can say that we do not have much reason for moving, where are the reasons to leave it as is? Maybe if someone moved Damion for Barry in the past, today we would be laughing at "Pearl". It is my opinion. -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 19:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::: I've got a list of reasons why Pearl is a stupid name. Anyways, somebody should just rename the article right now. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 21:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::::: Pearl is his default name in Diamond. He wasn't name Pearl for the hell of it. If we are only arguing this cause some believe Pearl is a stupid name, then it's all pointless. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:45, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
So? Dia is his default name in Pearl. Dia and Pearl are randomly his default name in Platinum. What's with favoring Diamond version over the other two O_o? If "Leaf" was named after hidden data, then why isn't Pearl's name Cedric? And if Cedric was named after default names, why isn't Leaf's name Amanda/Cassie/Hillary/Jodi/June/Makey/Michi/Omi/Paula/Rey/Seda/Kiko/Mina/Norie/Sai/Momo/Suzi? Seriously, that's enough evidence to prove that the way they were named is illogical. RENAME NAO! [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 21:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:Diamond is recognized as the first game of the fourth generation. It's while all the DP sprites have the letter D in them and not DP. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:: Um, what? Diamond and Pearl were released on the same day, obviously. And sprites are graphics, not letters O_o...[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 22:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
::: It is Diamond and Pearl. Not Pearl and Diamond. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 22:46, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::: That doesn't mean one should be favored over the other. They're both the same anyway. Answer these questions:
::::1. Why is "Pearl" named after the old obsolete naming system while Lucas and Dawn aren't?
::::2. Why is "Pearl" named after his auto-default name when "Leaf" wasn't?
::::3. Why is "Leaf" named after the hidden data name while "Pearl" wasn't named Cedric, which is also the hidden data name?
::::4. The hidden data says that their names are Lucas, Dawn, and Cedric. Explain why you guys chose "Pearl" instead of Cedric, even though Cedric would fit in better.
[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 22:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::1. We find out Lucas's name by playing as Dawn. We find out Dawn's name by playing as Lucas.
:::::2. and 3. were answered on {{ga|Blue}}'s talkpage.
:::::And I unfortunately don't know the answer to 4. :( But I'll bet that ''somebody'' here does...--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::: 1 and 2: Lucas & Dawn are the dummy data, as their dummy names are used when they're not selected as the player.
:::::: 3: Because Leaf was her dummy data name as a hidden trainer.
:::::: 4: Can you please give some proof that Cedric is Pearl's hidden data name? You keep stating it with no proof. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::@Chaos Rush:Weren't you one of the guys who wanted it moved to Barry? Why Cedric now?--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 23:19, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::If this works for everyone... http://www.upokecenter.com/games/dp/guides/trainers.php If I'm not mistaken, that's a rip of all the game's trainers, right? A certain "PkMn Trainer" by the name of "Cedric" has the teams for our pal Pearl/Diamond/Barry/Jun--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 23:24, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::: I don't care if it gets moved to Barry or Cedric. As long as it's not Pearl, I'm fine. And many people said above in this page that Cedric is the name for the rival, just like how you guys claim to find Leaf like that. Where's your proof for Leaf then? Cedric was just posted by the user above me. If I need to post proof for Cedric, then I could easily take what one of you said above, "Can you please give some proof that Leaf is FR/LG Girl's hidden data name? You keep stating it with no proof". [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 23:38, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::: Why don't you answer the question first. Don't try to turn this around on us. "Many people say its Cedric" isn't good enough. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:49, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: What question? I wasn't "turning this around". I was responding to the previous reply about proof. What's your question then? How is Leaf good enough while Cedric isn't, if Leaf and Cedric are both "hidden" names?[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 23:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::If I may interrupt again... Leaf's name is listed here: http://www.upokecenter.com/games/fireleaf/fltrainers.php as "Player Leaf". It also lists the Rival as "Terry", but Blue's name was used in GSC, so he has a "better name" than something dredged up from the game's programming.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 23:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Still, if a recent proposal to go through with this "Pearl" to "Barry" move does indeed go through, which I hope it does not, then that would be a pretty stupid move. If we were to go through with that, then we'd have to move "Blue" to "Gary" on the exact same token. Games =/= anime, people! --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:53, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Dude, there's way more evidence that points to his name being Barry than Pearl. It was the first choice in both Diamond and Platinum, and (even though the anime doesn't count for too much) it was also his anime name. If Dawn's name is the same in both game and anime, then Barry is most likely the same. The only evidence for his name being Pearl, is that if a name isn't chosen in Diamond, his name'll be Pearl. But it's crappy evidence in my opinion because in Pearl, his name'll be Diamond, and in Platinum it's either one. As for Blue, there's one key evidence that points to his name...they freakin said that was his name in Gold/Silver/Crystal/HeartGold/SoulSilver. That's really all the proof we need, but lets not forget that that was also the first choice in Pokemon Red and Yellow. Anyway, I'm glad the decision was finally made to change his name to Barry. --[[User_talk:Kirby Phelps (PK)|Kirby Phelps (PK)]] 2:17, 8 March 2010

== Platinum Backsprite ==

I noticed that the DP backsprite is on the page, however his Platinum backsprite is not there. It needs to be added. --[[User:Nathan2055|Nathan2055]][[User Talk:Nathan2055|talk]] 18:05, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

==Tag Battle==

I just realised! Does no one have data on his team for the tag battle with Volkner and Flint? Could someone find it and stick it up maybe? It might be the same as his Survival Area team but Idk. [[User:Lucadan|'''''Lucadan''''']] [[User talk:Lucadan|'''''(Talk)''''']] 14:32, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

==Pearl==

Shouldn't there be a link to Pearl from the Adventures on this page since he's a counterpart to Barry? --[[User:Ggb81|Ggb81]] 02:22, 27 February 2011 (UTC)
:Um..there is. In fact I see two of them [[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 02:24, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

==Teams==
Is there a reason Barry has a seperate page for his D/P teams? It seems a little... odd. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 22:00, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
:Due to the number of teams that rivals have in each game, their pages can exceed the template include size in only a small number of games with the current templates. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 02:06, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::.....I didn't quite get all of that last bit. The teams won't all fit on his page? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 18:43, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes. Each page can only have a certain number of templates, and there are a lot of templates buried in the party tables. So if you have too many, it exceeds the limit, and any further templates past the limit stop working. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 20:55, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
::::Okay, I understand. Thank you for explaining! :) [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 03:12, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

I am about to restart my Platinum game, and help with the quotes, but I do not know which one to edit in. There are 2, but they seem to be the same. Are they different depending on game?
Which one would be Platinum quotes? [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 06:21, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
:The quotes sections are subsections of the game sections. And yes, some of them at least are different because different stuff happens. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 06:49, 17 October 2011 (UTC)
::So which one would I edit in? Just to be sure [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 23:53, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Barry (game)

2011-10-17T06:21:04Z

Chocos0: /* Quotes */ new section

Bulbapedia:Project Games

2011-10-11T00:26:44Z

Chocos0: /* Participants */

{{Project leader|{{u|Umeko}}}}
[[File:Project Games logo.png|right|200px]]
Some Bulbapedia members have formed a [[Bulbapedia:Project|project]] to better organize efforts to write and improve articles about '''the [[Pokémon games]]'''. If you would like to help, please inquire on the talk page or the [http://bmgf.bulbagarden.net/forumdisplay.php?f=195 Bulbapedia forum].

==Project Games==
===Scope===
Project Games covers all articles about the [[Pokémon games]].

===Aims===
* To improve all articles related to the [[Version|main series]] games.
* To add sufficient information about all the [[Spin-off Pokémon games|spin-off games]].
* To take the articles about the main series games to a featured articles level.

===Participants===
To join the project, simply add your name to the bottom of this list:

* '''{{u|Umeko}}''' - Project Leader
* {{u|Sher-e-Bengal}} - Founder and former {{bp|Project Leaders|Project Leader}}
* {{u|LugiaRocks}}
* {{u|Politoed666}} - Writing LOTS of articles on [[Pokémon Trozei!]].
* {{u|ShinjiLover}}
* {{u|Maria-williams}}
* {{u|FLAMER}}
* {{u|Sacrifice}}
* {{u|DAWN FAN}}
* {{u|Clarky13}}
* {{u|LucarioSinnoh}}
* {{u|Ced12}}
* {{u|Kevzo8}}
* {{u|Prongs}}
* {{u|Okoa}}
* {{u|MysteryHeff?}}
* {{u|Tavisource}}
* {{u|Akivalevi}}
* {{u|Ziaix}}
* {{u|Alpha Totodile}}
* {{u|Jonbobsmith}}
* {{u|AvalonTreman}}
* {{u|Giratina Warrior}}
* {{u|Manaphy1}}
* {{u|swampert_rox}} - Writing whatever articles I think of
* {{u|water555}}
* {{u|Lunick v sonela}} - (Obsesed)
* {{u|Crystal Shards}} - I'll do what I can!
* {{u|Marillrocks}} - I've been doing stuff for Gen IV and V
* {{u|GaryMaister31}}
* {{u|Micster1018}} - only available on saturdays and sundays
* {{u|EpicEspeon}}
* {{u|Firefly292}} - I know allot about the coding of the games and could help out.
* {{u|Midnight Blue}} - Will do my best!
* {{u|Smurf}} - Hope I can help!
* {{u|The Bulb's Master}} - Platinum and HeartGold helper.
* {{u|PokeFreak-Z}}
* {{u|Rio191}}
* {{u|Grungle7}}
* {{u|Kaitie50}}
* {{u|Yoyozoo}}
* {{u|Elonkudden}} - Platinum, R/S and Explorers of Time/Sky
* {{u|pokemaster384}}
* {{u|Force Fire}}
* {{u|MeDeoPal}} - Know most things about the most Pokemon games.
* {{u|Amai_Liang}} - Side game informant.
* {{u|ravi0m}} - Main Game Info
* {{u|Samus Fan101}} - I love Pokemon and will do what I can.
* {{u|TheLastCharmander}} - I've played and completed every Pokémon game made so far except HG/SS. I think I'll be able to help a lot.
* {{u|Smartkidhen}}
* {{u|Kimori-Hinoarashi}} - I have tons of Pokémon games. (See my Userpage.)
* {{u|Anonym12}} – I'll do my best to help.
* {{u|Houndoomforpresident}}-Love the games especially generation 2<math></math> georgey1380
* {{u|Dialgarules}} - Mostly on detailing items and correcting information that isn't right.
* {{u|Ender}} - Whatever I can.
* {{u|Pokemon59}} - S/E MS Darkness and Sky, Platinum and Pearl
* {{u|Tyler53841}} - Specialty in conformation. Have all the Gen III-IV main series handheld games.
* {{u|Smoochum}}
* {{u|PokemonMasterArceus}}- Owns most pokemon gba games. loves pokemon.
* {{u|24keyserpokemon}}-Probaly going to help with english release of Pokémon HG/SS
* {{u|Garydos}} -Going to tweak and detail info on HG, Battle Rev, etc.
* {{u|Cubone14}} red and blue mystery dungeons
* {{u|FireRed507}}-I'm working on Pokéradar, and Route Data
* {{u|Maxwell37}}
* {{u|Graah2}}-I'm helping with r/s and fr/lg
* {{u|Jade106}}
* {{u|Fishmonk}}-I'm really good at gathering information and would like to help in any way possible.
* {{u|Gamerater888}}-I'm very good at Pokémon.
* {{u|Palkiamaster}}- helping edit silly pages with FALSE info
* {{u|duardognn}}
* {{u|050294}}
* {{u|SaitoFX}} Yipee!
* {{u|DoTheWave}}
* {{u|OtakuN3rd}} Created article about the [[Monster Brain]]
* {{u|hyper10111412395}} Just started bu will be writing on Mystery Dungeon
* {{u|Munchy Lax}}- New, but will be writing about DS games.
* {{u|CFBA}}: Bulbapedia Rookie
* {{u|PkmnXD}}: Only available some sundays, all weekdays, idle on saturdays. I love pokemon Heartgold, so I love this project :)
* {{u|Lucario and Pichu}} Watch me contribute like crazy.
* {{u|Phantomjunkie}} My expertise is in the Hoenn trilogy and the GameCube Pokémon games.
* {{u|CuboneKing}}
* {{u|Pokeman225}}
* {{u|Tailzfoxy96}} - I'll be the reliable reporter on all things Black and White.
* {{u|Dbeckelheimer6}}- I know a lot about the games. I could be help.
* {{u|Super Swampert}} I have a lot of the games. I might be able to help.
* {{u|firemaster122}} I have most of the games so I could probably help out
* {{u|Ztobor}} Just for game mechanics.
* {{u|Chaos791}} Um... I'll try my best.
* {{u|PkmnPokedex392}}I Don't care if I'm New.I Love Pokémon!
* {{u|Pokemon26}} I have played the games for 12 years... let me know if I can help.
* {{u|Loghomewill}} Played for 8 years. I can hold my own.
* {{u|Ruberduck0123}} My knowledge is in Diamond, will be working on that
* {{u|Zelfie}} I frequently play Pearl, Platinum, Shadows of Almia, and SoulSilver ♫
* {{u|Dannyboy601}}
* {{u|Soulsilverdiamond96}} the games are my favorite part of Pokémon franchise. I will help as much as I can.
* Alkamota : i have enough to make the place look no different, though it is.
* {{u|SnorlaxMonster}}
* {{u|TheRedCharizard}} I have all the games. I have a site and can give you great facts
* {{u|alebcay}} I will work on small, minor edits, and whatever you miss.
* {{u|Milkgila}} I know pretty much about gen IV and some spin-off games.
* {{u|Meearaimeng}} I know many information about water pokemon,Almost every play style of all water pokemon.
* {{u|Musicgirl272}} Misty is my idol. Water Pokémon FTW!!!
* {{u|Lazer}}-I will try my best!
* {{u|Thealphamon}}
* {{u|Typhlosion2011}}-fire can evaporate water and burn grass, but I think misty is better than may and dawn.
* {{u|Charziardfan}}-I have my gameboy and my ds in hand p.s. fire pwns all
* {{u|Carmenstar97}}
* {{u|Pingouin7}} - I own all of the first gen games and would prefer to help with those.
* {{u|jda95}}
* {{u|ShinyEntei}}-I play Heartgold A lot and have beat pokémon blue with complete pokédex
* {{u|Focus58}}-Let's make Bulbagarden.net the best!!!
* {{u|Coon}}- I'll help with Gen III and up. And I know a lot about the Mystery Dungeon games!
* {{u|Jazama}}
* {{u|Garioshi}} - Platinum, HeartGold/SoulSilver, Black/White help, + Mystery Dungeon 2 Explorers of Sky.
*{{u|DrBrock}} - Here to fix your mistakes or two. Owning Silver,Pearl,Platinum,HG,SS,Black,White,Explorers of Sky
* {{u|Dennou Zenshi}}
* {{u|Water Max}}
* {{u|RokYourSocksOff}} I'm new so I'll fix little mistakes.
* {{u|Gameboyguy}}- I'm a huge fan of the games, so I'll work hard.
* {{u|ThatOrcEngineer}}- I know I haven't done much on this site, but I want to help, however I can.
* {{u|Donyor}}-I'm new but I own two spin offs and have experience in the main games.
* {{u|Night7Striker}}-New here, but I'll will work if needed
* {{u|Rayquaza8129}} I'm new but I can help with Third Gen.-Fifth Gen.
* {{u|YoshisWorld}} I've got a lot of games, I could really help out.
* {{u|Jamboy}} I can help with platinum and have completed Pokemon ranger 3: guardian signs!
* {{u|Chocos0}} - Have almost every game, will help any-way I can.

===Structure===



===Goals===
# To make comprehensive articles about everything related to all the Pokémon games.

===Infoboxes===
* {{Template|Infobox game}}

{{Infobox game}}

 

===Other templates===
* {{Template|Project Games notice}}

{{Project Games notice}}

* {{Template|Stub}}

{{Stub|Game}}

* {{Template|User Project Games}}

{{User Project Games}}

==Other projects==
===Parent project===
This project has no parent project.



===Subprojects===
* [[Bulbapedia:Project Battrio|Battrio]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project BerryDex|BerryDex]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project CharacterDex|CharacterDex]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project GlitchDex|GlitchDex]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project ItemDex|ItemDex]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project Moves and Abilities|Moves and Abilities]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project Pokédex|Pokédex]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project Sidegames|Sidegames]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project SpriteDex|SpriteDex]]
* [[Bulbapedia:Project Walkthroughs|Walkthroughs]]

===Related projects===
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User:Chocos0

2011-10-11T00:19:42Z

Chocos0:

Hey guys! Check the {{p|Emolga}} on the right!

== About myself ==

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Hi! Welcome to my page. I'm Chocos0, and I'm just a crazed pokemon fan. I started off when I was really young at the age of 7. The games made me so attached to them, I've been following the anime as well. I've been watching from the beginning, and playing the games to the end. My favourite was the Hoenn region generation. (E.G III generation). Some found it discriminating, but it was a whole new generation, the new graphics on the games, and something new, new people. Unlike Misty. Instead we got a food loving fanatic, oh, and a Coordinator as well. May! I have most of the games at the moment, but losing my Red made me terribly sad. I'm still a fan, and mostly, always will be. I am currently having fun with my Pokemon Black version =)

I'm just an occasional visitor to the Bulbapedia site, and when I'm on, I help edit, on whatever I can. Not many will see my page anywhoo, but no matter, I like making my own page.

== Game info, and friend codes. ==

''' Pokemon Diamond ''':
(Will update)

''' Pokemon Platinum ''':
(Will update)

''' Pokemon Heart Gold ''':
(Will update)

''' Pokemon Black ''':
(Will update)

== Games I own ==

--Updating

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Talk:Blue (game)

2011-10-10T23:49:51Z

Chocos0: /* Mention of scrapped music? */ new section

"...previously referred to as Gary in early manuals..."
I checked a few of my manuals:
* English Red: refers to him as "rival"
* English Blue: refers to him as "rival"
* Japanese Blue: refers to him as "Red (rival)"
* Japanese Yellow: refers to him as "Blue (rival)"

So, is the piece about him being referred to as Gary referring to the instruction manuals somewhere, or to players guides? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

Interesting. I was going off an official Nintendo strategy guide from Red/Blue. It said Gary in every instance. I said early because in a yellow version one I used to have it no longer said Gary and switched to either Blue or Rival, can't remember which. But if in the actual manuals it's not mentioned, then it should probably be taken out. --[[user:greengiant|greengiant]]

Ah yes, I may know the strategy guide. The anime came out before the games by about a month in the US, so that may be why they chose to use "Ash" and "Gary" -- or even because they knew kids would be used to the anime regardless of when it came out. --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

Haha. Yeah I have a couple "official" guides that always refers to him as Gary, never "your rival". Which always annoyed me. The only use those guides serve is as an attack reference anyway. - [[User:Ferret|Ferret]] 09:16, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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>Shouldn't he be taken out of the anime characters category? - Zeta

Unfortunately, "Anime Category" is bound to the "Gym Leader" category. If you want to remove it from the anime category, and ensure each Gym Leader properly has this category where applicable, that'd be great. I don't have time at the moment to do it myself. Janine falls into the same spot as being listed in anime -- or was she in it? --[[User:Meowth346|Meowth346]]

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Am I the only person who noticed that they officially changed his name back to Green in FRLG? [[User:Fishman|Fishman]] 21:06, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:They did, but until GSDS confirms that with him as an NPC, we can't change it back. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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== Blue's Charizard ==

Why does this page list Blue's Charizard as having Aerial Ace in Red/Blue/Green? Aerial Ace wasn't introduced until 3rd Generation. I don't know what it should be, but it definitely isn't Aerial Ace. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 02:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah... someone likely took the data straight from FRLG. Anyway... we'll need someone to fix that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 03:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

::Looks like there was another error with Blue's Charizard that's been hanging there since forever. It was listed as having Dragon Dance, which was introduced in GenII. So I assume it knew Flamethrower instead, but if anyone has a R/B version where they can challenge Blue at Route 22, then I'd be much obliged if they checked me on that. Or, if someone can simply find confirmation on its moves, but I don't know where they might find that. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:46, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Hmmm..... ==

Okay, in Yellow, we know that how Blue evolves Eevee depends on the first two battles. (battle 1=Prof Oak's lab, battle 2=Route 22)

Jolteon: Win battles 1 and 2

Vaporeon: Lose battle 1, lose/skip battle 2

Flareon: Win battle 1, lose/skip battle 2

BUT! What if the player loses the first battle and then wins the second battle? Does Blue not evolve Eevee at all? Is its evolution chose randomly? I lost my Yellow Version YEARS ago, so I couldn't find out myself. I'm [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]], and I approve this [[User Talk:Missingno. Master|message.]] 23:05, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

:It's not based specifically on each individual battle. It's based on the number of times you beat him. If you beat him both times, then it's Jolteon. If you beat him one time, it's Flareon. If you didn't beat him either time, it's Vaporeon. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 16:20, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== A few things ==

The tables of his Pokémon are a bit too much. Any way to fix it? It's annoying to load. Also, in the table for other names, there's an extra column. Lastly, Gary has more than one sprite in the games where he's a rival. [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 02:27, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:It's Blue, not Gary. And we've changed the sprites for his Final Confrontation as Champion for RB. Originally, his RB sprite was used for the yellow tables, because neither Bulbapedia, nor anywhere else on the internet, or so it seems, has the yellow trainer sprites. So I'm ripping them and uploading them as I go. But that means it will take me a bit of time to get to the Championship battle in Yellow, so I'll upload it when I get there (I'm currently at Bill's House in Yellow, but I'm speedplaying).

:Oh, and about the tables being a bit too much, that's the new standard for Bulbapedia. The old version of the pages had just the species names and levels for each encounter, and maybe the moves for the final encounter. So deal with the levels, because it's a real pain to make, and we're not going to revert all that hard work we've done over the last several days. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 13:38, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
:Starting with battle 4 there's a new Blue sprite in Yellow and FRLG, and most likely RB. There's also a third (champion) sprite. Just thought I'd throw that out. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''gar''']] 21:04, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's why I changed the sprite for Battle 4 in Yellow. There are NO Yellow Trainer sprites, save the ones I've been uploading these past weeks. Give me some time, and I'll get you some sprites. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

So... Perhaps due to Tc26's complaint back on the 19th, or simply perhaps because we're goin gto have a new standard, TTEchidna has changed the charts on the Brock Page so as that the tables show more information, the version sprites, and can be hid. Shall we do this for Blue as well? [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 18:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

:I like it a lot better than the other one, personally. It's much more detailed. What do you think? [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 03:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::Same here. It's just going to be a bitch to change. But, I'll go about it, piece by piece, and I'm sure other people will too. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 17:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I'll help you out. That's a lot of Trainers to change. =) [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 17:07, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

==Champion==

This article claims "It is a mystery who Blue's predecessor as Champion was." however, isn't it supposed to be a twist that Blue is the Champion and the player is expecting themselves to be the Champion after beating Lance? Also, I'm sure Lance implies that Blue is the first person to defeat the Elite Four... so surely we are to believe that Blue did not have a predecessor as Champion?
:I agree. It was only by second generation that "Champion" became a title for a standard character, who remains champion for good (though I guess Daigo got ousted by Mikuri, but we'll let that one slide...). The original games imply that beating Wataru makes the player the champion. I quote: "Congratulations, [player], you are now the new Champion! ...Or, you would have been, ...etc." RGBY imply that one only needs to beat the Four Heavenly Kings to become the Pokémon League Champion, but from GSC on, the current Champion was a role that was expected to be faced after the Shitenno. In a way, they (the game designers) decided that the Lord of the Four Heavenly Kings (in myth, the Shitenno always serve a master) was as much an important role so it really becomes more like 5 elite trainers, though I guess they are supposed to serve whoever is the current greatest. The fact the Champion stays on until you decide to not challenge the Shitenno any more and move on to the next game (after which you, the player, truly is the champion, as we see that Red was Champion during the years between RGBY and GSC), the role of Champion seems more like the game designers didn't know what they were going to do with it from then on. Wataru's sudden appearance as the Champion is somewhat of a twist too; if he's a wandering trainer and no longer a member of the Shitenno, it's a surprise that he's the champion. Similarly Daigo, Mikuri, and Shirona all have plot-related roles, and thus are the surprise ending Champions. But at the time of RGBY, they didn't really know they would be using these non-rival Champions, so we can't really say that there had to have been a Champion before Green. [[User:Kumori Satosuke|Satosuke]] 17:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

== Generation III Champion sprite ==

Down in the Trivia section, it says that Generation III does not give Blue a separate Champion sprite, and I just wanted to point out that that's not true; it's just that no one's uploaded Blue's other FR/LG sprites. Anyways, I didn't want to start an edit war or anything, so I thought I'd point it out first. [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 17:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
:True. How could anyone write such bullshit? I just LOVE it when so-called "fans" jump into conclusion. And that's all from someone's laziness. Thanks for pointing this out, otherwise Bulbapedia would have yet another false information. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:49, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
::Ahhh, that looks so much better. Thank you for uploading them! [[User:Okoa|Okoa]] 18:50, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

== Quotes ==

Do we only have Blue's Champion quote because those are the only ones we could find or because otherwise the page would become overcrowded? Atm, I'm actually looking for all of his quotes, does anyone know where I can find this without playing through the entirety of Red & Gold? [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 23:50, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
:[http://web.archive.org/web/20070718010538/tohjofalls.atspace.com/poke/dump-red.txt] [http://www.freewebs.com/tohjofalls/crysdump.txt] [[User:IIMarckus|IIMarckus]] 21:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
:: Awesome, thanks! [[User:Gastlys mama|Gastlys mama]] 22:22, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

== Brown? ==

His eyes look black-ish to me. Red's,and Leaf's,eyes look brown. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 00:32, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== Page size ==

Do you think this page is a little too big? My browser freaks out when I visit it. Maybe the sprites should be hidden. This page is current 107 kbs long, more than 3 times the recommended size. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Idea For the Size ==

<ab>I just had an idea for the size. Why not split it up like this:

Blue (game)/Red and Blue
Blue (game)/Yellow
Blue (game)/FireRed and LeafGreen

Or something along those lines. This will significantly reduce the page sizes.</ab> '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 18:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

:But it would be for his teams only (something like what we have for Pokemon movesets). Because it would be useless to have separate articles on Blue's character in every game. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 19:02, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
::That would be an idea to go on... Problem is, how would we do so? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:20, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Perhaps just like the subpages for the old movesets. So like "Blue (game)/Red and Blue teams" etc. GSC probably could stay in the article and just give a ''main article'' link for the other three. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 22:41, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Just like what Trom said, that's what I was going for. And, yes, I meant the teams. But if it would compress the size of the article even more, we could also just put the whole thing in the subpages and leave a link so people can get to them. Like <nowiki>{{main|Blue (game)/In Red and Blue}}</nowiki>. '''[[User:ShinjiLover|SL]]'''''[[User talk:ShinjiLover|-sama]]''[[Special:Contributions/ShinjiLover|contribs]] 02:33, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::But having a whole article like a big signpost just seems silly to me. All the character stuff, names and etceteras should stay on the page because it's the same info for every game. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 05:48, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::If you're concerned about it being a bunch of redirects, I don't see why the sections can't be expanded to talk about his role in each game, and a box with a link off to the right side linking to his team page for that game. Right now, the page is (ironically) a lot of red. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 13:59, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Because someone didn't change the template's colors and went with the default. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I have an idea. We could make a different page for his Stadium teams. [[User:GreenGyarados|GreenGyarados]]

===RBG section prototype===
Blue and Red have been rivals ever since they were babies. Before leaving for his journey, he lived in Pallet Town, just like Red.

The player first meets Blue at Professor Oak's lab, where he and Red were asked to come. Oak offers the two of them one Pokémon each, with Red having first choice from {{p|Bulbasaur}}, {{p|Squirtle}}, and {{p|Charmander}}. After Red chooses a Pokémon, Blue chooses the one with a type advantage over Red's. He then brags that his Pokémon looks much stronger. When Red is about to leave, Blue challenges him to a battle. Whatever the outcome, Blue declares his intention to train his Pokémon, and leaves.

Soon, Professor Oak calls the two of them back to give them Pokédexes, and tells them of his dream to categorize all Pokémon in the world with their help. Blue says he can do it by himself, and tells his sister, [[Daisy]], not to give Red a [[Town Map]] (she does so anyway, not acknowledging his words).

...

It isn't until they meet up again in [[Lavender Town]]'s [[Pokémon Tower]] that Blue's initial choice affects the rest of his team, where he switches out his Raticate and switches in Pokémon of the two types he didn't initially choose ({{p|Exeggcute}}, {{p|Gyarados}}, and {{p|Growlithe}} for Bulbasaur, Squirtle, and Charmander), bringing a sort of type balance to his team.

...

After beating the Elite Four, Red finds out from Lance that Blue was one step ahead of him, and is now the Champion. He proceeds into the final battle room to find Blue visibly more mature and with all of his Pokémon in their final evolutions, and he claims that his team could beat any type. Blue brags that he is the most powerful trainer in the world, and the battle starts.

:Not really sure whether to focus on plot or gameplay. --[[User:Raijinili|Raijinili]] 08:04, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::I like it, but I've added a tiny bit to it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:59, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

== Version-specific nomenclature ==

Based on the default names in ''FireRed'' and ''LeafGreen'', should version-specific incidences of this character (namely his ''FR''/''LG'' battles) carry "Green" in place?
Also, from up top of this page, it's interesting that the Japanese Yellow uses "Blue" for rival default (and helps me to rationalize ''G''/''S''/''C'' use of Blue, since I'm a Yellow supporter above all first-gen versions (but this is all beside the point)). [[User:TJF588|TJF588]] 23:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
:Third versions always use the second version name for the rival (except RSE, which named the rival Brendan/May). As for his name changing to Green based on FRLG, well, we pretty much decided to wait until the almost completely inevitable [[GSDS]] to see if that has him as Green or Blue, and then use that. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::Optional names change in every game. That's not really a good base to debate anything. Only NPC appearance names count as canonical names. That means that his name is Blue. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 09:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
:::Well that too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:21, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
::::According to his article, he had Blue as a default name in the Japanese Yellow, despite officially being Green there. The fact that he has Green as a default name in FireRed might not be any different, so we should wait for an English translation of HeartGold and SoulSilver. --[[User:Evice|Evice]] 04:00, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::That was probably because nothing had Blue in Japan. Or something. Who knows. Yellow came out there when RB came here. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== So about calling him "Green" ==

Let it be known that if he is in fact named as Green in HGSS's English translation (he will be in HGSS's Japanese, because he's ''always'' been Green there) this is moving to {{ga|Green}}. Same goes for [[Janine]] if they rename her in HGSS (please don't, NoA). '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:He will always be Blue to me, but that IS logical. I can’t see anyone having a problem with it that doesn’t boil down to aesthetics/nostalgia. I hope he stays Blue in the games though. --WikidSmaht 13:47, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
::Yay!!!! --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
:In the trivia, it should be noted that he's the only gym leader with a generic color name. [[User:Ampere|Ampere]] 07:15, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:So do it. Although, I’m not really sure that’s important... --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Separating the article ==

As they said, this article is too long.
Maybe u should seperate the battle into a new page.
Naming it, "Battle with Blue (Games)"
And this page should be rename "Blue (Game)(Main)"
--[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 08:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

:I think if we do split the article it should just be generation I, then every generation above that on a different article. We really could compress it though. {{unsigned|MasterKenobi}}
::Just a separate parties page for the Gen I battles and the Gen III aside-from-final battles. Meaning we'd have the Charizard, Blastoise, and Venusaur parties, as well as the GS party, which we'd move to the past party page when we get his HGSS party. But let's wait until we get his HGSS party to do so, so we can do less edits. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:18, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Splitting off the previous generation party lists to other articles, much like in the same vein as Pokémon's movesets from previous generations are split off is definitely what's needed here. Moving off the Gen I lists to {{red link|Blue (game)/Generation I parties}} and the Stadium lists to {{red link|Blue (game)/Pokémon Stadium parties}} for example, should vastly reduce the size of the article.
:::Darn these multi-generation recurring characters... '''[[User:TheChrisD|TheChrisD]]''' [[User_talk:TheChrisD|Rants]]•[[Special:Contributions/TheChrisD|Edits]] 12:26, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

::::Good job seperating Generation I/II's Pokémon. When HGSS comes, the page will be long again.
::::How about this? List of Pokémon, all put as "show" then open the "show" is the sprites, another "show" will be the Pokémon used? It is confusing??? --[[User:Ruixiang95|Ruixiang95]] 03:31, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

== about his sprites... ==

In the FRLG section, he changes into 3 different sprites. Is this true in the game or what? (I never played gen 3 b4) ---> [[User:223david|'''223''']][[Special:Contributions/223david|☆]][[User talk:223david|'''Dåv]d''']]''' 15:07, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. One sprite for early battles, one for later battles and one for the Pokémon League battle. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 15:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

== Shouldn't his name be Green? ==

Well, the reason why we seem to call him Blue is because of the US Pokemon Red & ''Blue'' versions of course. That's probably because in Pokemon Red, the default name for your rival is Blue, and that's his name in G/S/C.

But were in Gen IV now, so shouldn't his name be Green? Since LeafGreen version was ''not'' renamed WaterBlue or something in the US, and according to FireRed version, the default name for your rival is Green.

Also, wtf is the female player of FR/LG being called Leaf? And since when was the HG/SS named Soul? And since when was the D/P/Pt rival named Pearl? I already know the answer: they never had those names :/. --Chaos Rush 00:38:19 (UTC)
:At the moment we are waiting for HGSS, where Blue/Green will be an NPC, rather than a rival, to see what his name is. Until then it was decided above that he will be Blue, as that was his only NPC appearance where the player does not name him.
:The female player character for FR/LG is called "Leaf", because that is what she is named if you cancel out of the naming screen without putting a name in the ''first'' version (i.e. Fire Red). Soul is currently called such based on Leaf (prefix of second version), but may change when HGSS comes out.
:Pearl is called such for the same reason as Leaf - that is what is given if you cancel out of the name entry screen in Diamond.
:Ask an admin for the official policy, but it appears to be that if they are never an NPC that is not named by the player, then they are named with whatever name it gives them if you enter a blank name - essentially the game's defaults. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

:: That's not true. In FireRed, if you leave your name blank, it does ''not'' come out with Leaf. It comes out with a bunch of random names, such as "Suzi" and "June". Also in Diamond and Platinum, if you leave your rival's name blank, he automatically becomes Barry :/. Again, that's pretty much why I think that Leaf and Pearl are stupid fake names. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 04:52, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::Uh, "Barry" is at the top of the list for {{ga|Pearl}}, not the autodefault for when leaving the name entry blank. Trust me, if Barry WERE the autodefault, it would have been reflected in the title a long time ago. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::: That makes absolutely no sense. What you just said directly contradicts what the article itself says. The article for Pearl said that "Barry" is the autodefault for both Diamond and Platinum :/. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 16:34, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::...No. No, it doesn't.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 16:37, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::: Then explain this: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pearl_(game)#Optional_names_for_Pearl
:::::: OWNED. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:05, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Show me the word "default".--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 17:08, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::: Isn't that what you meant by default? :/ If that's not the case, tell me what you mean by default, and tell my why the article says "Barry" for Diamond and Platinum. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::Look under the list, not in the list. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:16, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::::::: Oh, I see. But to me it still doesn't make sense how if GameFreak have stopped naming their characters after version names in R/S/E and D/P/Pt, why would the Rival have a version name as his name? And what's with favoring Diamond version over Pearl O_o... And judging by the way "Leaf" was named, then wouldn't that mean that "Pearl" would be Cedric according to in-game hidden data? Illogical of course. We might as well rename the Leaf article, "Amanda/Cassie/Hillary/Jodi/June/Makey/Michi/Omi/Paula/Rey/Seda/Kiko/Mina/Norie/Sai/Momo/Suzi" since those are the defaults, right? That's why it makes no sense, if Leaf is to be named after hidden data, than it would be logical to name the D/P/Pt rival after his hidden data, "Cedric", and yet you guys name him from the default name, while Leaf doesn't get a default name. So why does Leaf get to use her hidden data, while Pearl uses his default?[[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:26, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
(/resets indent)This is Blue's talkpage. Don't complain about Leaf or Pearl here.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 17:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

: And of course somebody thinks of an excuse to abruptly end the argument once the evidence/logic is shoved in their face. [[User:Chaos Rush|Chaos Rush]] 17:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

::(reset) This is probably due to Pearl actually having a pre-set default, while Leaf doesn't. The internal coding is Leaf's fallback, one Pearl doesn't need. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, I ''will'' keep on arguing once this is brought to the proper location.--'''Dark''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 17:35, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

With this logic, shouldn't he just be referred to as Rival (R/G/B), instead? Same for all of the other Rivals. I don't think anyone will agree with me, but it's more official... -[[User:ConfuseRayMisdreavus|ConfuseRayMisdreavus]] 19:03 1/16/10,
== Trivia is Shorter ==

I made the trivia a bit shorter, and I want to see if was OK with ya. So is it? (I saw the tag, so that's why.) --[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 12:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC) King and Master of Bulbasaur, Turtwig♀, and most reacently, Chikorita.

== Template recolors? ==

Why were his GSC/HGSS templates recolored? I mean, all his other templates are perfectly OK, with the blue head color, current version border colors and stuff. May I ask why the color change? All of his templates are the that color scheme, so I'll change it back until anyone objects. {{color|00DD00|--[[User:Bulbafan|Bulbafan]] 23:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)}}
:His colorscheme in the games is green in HGSS. It's Blue color for GSC because he was Blue then because of Red and Blue. In HGSS he gets LeafGreen color because he's gonna be Green because of FireRed and LeafGreen. Red's the same way. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:51, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
::Except he isn’t. I reverted the color change that was made when we only had Serebii’s word for it, but now that the games are out, I’m reverting my revert. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== English name ==

After playing through HGSS, I'm thinking they'll be calling him Green in the English games. His room's green, his Gym's green (where all others have their typecolor)... though like Clair, his Gym has two colors... While Clair's had the colors of the Dragon type icon in FRLG, Blue's Gym is green on top... and blue around the sides. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:54, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
:I agree with you. The default name of Green is Green in FR/LG not blue, but since Bulbapedia is a dictatorship, and the higher ups says, "Well in FR/LG you can name him whatever you want, so Green isn't his official name". *Facepalm* [[User:Pokemon1234567890|''Poke'']][[Cool Trainer|''mon'']][[User talk:Pokemon1234567890|''1234567890'']]
::If it was a dictatorship, you'd be banned for saying that. ;)
::But anyways, it used to be Green before we revamped the whole site about a month ago. Soooooo... don't be saying crap like that. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:21, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Huh? RAHB, you're thinking of the {{adv|Blue|manga guy}}. This wasn't moved, it was always Blue, cuz that's his name in English GS. IF his English HGSS name will be Green, then we'll move him. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 17:35, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Really? I thought this was moved too... oh well. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 17:41, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::You got a point Hunter Blade. If it was a dictatorship I would've been banned. Okay, It's a monarchy, but anyway back on subject. The only reason his name was Blue in generation one was because of the lack of Green being released anywhere besides Japan. I bet the Japanese Bulbapedia doesn't have this problem. (I bet they are laughing at us). -[[User:Pokemon1234567890|''Poke'']]''mon''[[User talk:Pokemon1234567890|''1234567890'']]
::::::The only reason they'd laugh at us is because we have a canonical conundrum (actually, I'd think they'd rather feel sorry we're even in this situation) that won't be solved easily (why would the Japanese have this issue? It's not theirs). Which Japanese is the top canon, "Green" is not English canon (yet). You're reasoning he's "only Blue because..." verifies that, for the time being, ''yes'' he is Blue in English canon. That's top par. And if HGSS carries over the "Blue" issue, you people will still argue, "But he's Green over there!" But he's not Green here. And if HGSS does have Green, it ''will'' be changed, because that's apparently how it's done (why Jackson is [[Vincent]] despite being Jackson first).
::::::And yet, we've recently tucked in out pants to put the Special manga into its English roots. Which meant, yes, changing the Green character into Blue (as is English canon, despite the issue with their eye colors that makes) and vice versa. We support English canon for our frontyard (meaning it will always be the face of Bulbapedia: ''English language denotions'') and use Japanese canon to support what is needed to be supported (as it is true canon). But since names are changes from Japanese ones to English ones, proper names are not infallible, nor are taken as "correct" over the English ones. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 23:58, 29 December 2009 (UTC)
:So much for that theory. :-p --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 22:09, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

== Location on where to get his PokeGear number and battle time ==

We are missing that. If we have a thing that tells what his team is during the rematch, we should have the time and place on where you can get his number and when you can battle him. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 23:54, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
:From [[Daisy Oak]], actually. Her article implies it could be any time... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 00:05, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

== last name ==

It appears that his sister's last name has been confirmed in the game. This implies that his last name is also Oak. Should this be moved? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'll support the move. But in which game was it confirmed? [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:08, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::FRLG Fame Checker for Daisy. It's the Four Island entry. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::<s>OK then. Support.</s> [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:10, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Oppose. Who the hell would look for him under "Blue Oak"?? :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:16, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Actually, {{u|Umeko}}'s right. Changing to oppose. [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:19, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Should it at least be noted? I don't think it should be moved, but it should be noted. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:21, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Yeah, at least let it be noted... [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 01:23, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Another thing, Umeko, isn't that way redirects exist? I'm pretty sure 95% of the people that go to bulbapedia search Pokemon/pokemon instead of Pokémon, yet they are kept at that name due to it being official. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 01:51, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::This is the same bull we got into with May Birch/Brendan Birch. NO THANK YOU. Like {{adv|Blue}} is staying there, {{ga|Blue}} is. We're not moving him. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:56, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::::Should it be noted though? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:03, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Reset. Keep Blue where he is [at "Blue (game)"], set up a "Blue Oak" redirect, and in the article, set up the first sentence as "'''Blue Oak''' (Japanese: '''オーキドグリーン''' ''Green Ōkido'')". No change necessary, tidbit is addressed. Things like that are done on Wikipedia all the time, when someone is known by a name, but their real name is longer, or different from what they go by. No harm, no foul. [[User:ArcToraphim|Luna Tiger]] * [[User talk:ArcToraphim|the Arc Toraph]] 02:17, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Blue Oak goes to his manga counterpart, so should it become a disambiguation? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:19, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Yeah, I say we leave the page title as-is, but call him "Blue Oak" in the opening sentence. Like we did in [[Sapphire (Adventures)]]. Also, yeah, I guess it should be a disambig since they ''do'' have the same name. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 03:05, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

==Hair==
While Gary Oak in the anime clearly has brown hair, I guess people are overlooking the fact this character has hair just about the same color as Misty's. His hair is clearly not brown, it's orange, or at the least burnt orange, which is the color most natural redheads have in real life. Someone needs to change his information, please. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 04:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Nope, it's brown.--[[User:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Ho-Oh (Pokémon)|orce]][[User talk:Force Fire|'''F''']][[Lugia (Pokémon)|ire]] 04:53, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

[http://yfrog.com/16heartgoldsoulsilverbluep] I disagree. Unless it has officially been called brown, which I doubt. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'd call it auburn, actually.
:Tell me, did you join Bulbapedia just to bitch about hair colors? [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
No, this isn't the first thing I've done since joining, and that's not the reason I joined. Why? did you join to "bitch" about new users? Also, you clearly don't know what auburn is, because auburn is a deep shade of red(the actual color) and brown. Guess I'm pretty good at bitching about hair colors though. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:11, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Also, if you'd like to know a more correct term, it would be burnt orange, the color many natural redheads have. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:That's about the same color as a light brown colored pencil. Crayola brand. In both the 12 and 24 pack. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:15, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::I think most people who have used colored pencils know they don't come out as dead on as the color's name. Also: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_(colour)]

Compare him to Brock's game art, tell me how similar they are? [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:17, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:There's a thing called shades. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:18, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, and his hair is clearly a shade of orange. And since you know about shades you should know most people with orange tones of hair have light brown tones along with them. Are you making a point? [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:19, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::He is a fictional character no one cares. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 05:20, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Then why are you here if you don't care? Also, why does his page even have a slot for his hair color if no one cares? Why does this site even exist if nobody cares about anything? Nice way to back yourself up. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:21, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Hehe... you're not helping yourself either, Getsuei. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::We're here to tell you to shut up and stop bitching about all the small details, so shut up and stop bitching about shit no one cares about. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psy''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''ライダー''']]''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 05:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

"Kinda orangish-brown with flecks of white in it, happy now?" So somebody edited his page to say this.
Okay? The fact just about everyone here has problems with me just because I wanted to get his details on his page right, even to this degree of flaming, is crazy. Nice way to run a wiki. It's not like I came here cursing at people. I really could care less if you are all so bent on going off on me for trying to get a minor detail fixed. I just thought if the site cared to list the information, it should pay attention to simple detail. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:26, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's the same sort of instance we went through with freaking Golbat. "no dude its blue i know because the pokeydex don't matter". That kind of bullcrap. Don't worry so damn much about Blue's hair. It's brown, a light shade of it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:28, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::It's also brown in his battle sprites. —[[User:Oz|'''オ''']][[User talk:Oz|'''ッ''']][[Special:Contributions/Oz|'''ズ''']] @ 05:30, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The reason we care so much about it, is because ''you're'' the only one who disagrees in this conversation. THAT is why we're getting annoyed. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:31, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
cough déjā vū cough--[[User:Muk-a-matic|Muk-a-matic-Maketh the Muk go round...]] 05:33, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:Clearly it's not brown though. That's the whole point. I guess we should go to Misty's page and say it's just a bright shade of brown. And if it were stated somewhere his hair was brown, I wouldn't even try to change it. I'm not an idiot, I just happen to know something about redheads. Misty's hair looks pretty brown in her battle sprites too, does that mean her hair's brown. In artwork and in his profile it's orange, so because his battle sprites have slightly more brown hair you wanna call it brown. Quit avoiding the blatant fact he has a redhead tone of hair people. Also, if for example a room full of people told you Pikachu wasn't yellow, would that mean it was true? No, because it's obvious. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::What's funny about you comparing Misty and Blue, is that the dark parts of her hair are as dark as the light parts of his hair. It might not look like that until you compare them side by side, because the lighter colors of Misty's hair make the dark look darker. I know, because I mess around with colors all the time and sometimes confuse myself with them. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:38, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::What are you getting at? Just because their shades of orange aren't the same color that means his hair isn't orange? What are you even saying? [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:39, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::::You could say that Blue's hair in the artwork is bronze-coloured... It's not really orange, and it's not brown at the same time? —[[User:Oz|'''オ''']][[User talk:Oz|'''ッ''']][[Special:Contributions/Oz|'''ズ''']] @ 05:41, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::You are saying that his hair is basically the same as hers. It's not. I agree, his does look a bit orange, but not if you compare it to Misty's. Then it looks brown. And for me, hers could pass off as an orangy light brown until compared to an actual light brown. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:45, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

:The point is that people who are brunettes do not have orange in their hair naturally speaking. If you have orange in your hair you are a redhead. I'm a redhead, I know the facts about redheads. Burnt Orange, Orange Brown, whatever. The point is his hair isn't brown, it's clearly a shade of orange. Go to Princess Daisy's page on the mariowiki. You people probably think she's a brunette, but you're wrong. Her hair just happens to range in shades of dark and bright orange. Even stated by Nintendo her hair is orange. The point is you people are avoiding the fact that just because his hair isn't a blatant bright orange color, that he is not a brunette and his hair is not classifiable as brown. If you all really want to be so stubborn as to avoid something so obvious, fine. It's obvious if I could edit this page some moron would revert my edit anyway. Also, nice job responding to someone with flames when I didn't even act rude or "bitchy" in the first place. Now though, you people can decide on this situation for yourselves. Hope you base it on facts and not your uninformed opinions. [[User:Getsuei|Getsuei]] 05:47, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
::You realize you just wrote a huge paragraph arguing over hair color right? Come on. Argue about something that actually matters. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:00, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
I thought Princess Daisy's hair was brown. [[User:SeanWheeler|SeanWheeler]] 00:18, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia error ==

"Blue is one of only two NPCs who has been both a Gym Leader and a Champion. The other is Wallace (though Wallace was a Gym Leader before becoming Champion, and Blue does the reverse). Both of them were the eighth Gym Leader and Champion of a region introduced in an odd-numbered generation." This is wrong as Blue wasn't a gym leader until gen 2 an even numbered generation.--[[User:Lycos Ex Mortis|Lycos Ex Mortis]] 07:20, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:Refers to the region, not the character [[User:Super goku|Super goku]] 07:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

== Return ==

Given that Blue's Pokémon use Return in Generation IV, isn't it possible to calculate just how much his Pokémon love him?--[[User:Mongeese|Mongeese]] 22:53, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
:Probably not, at least not exactly, since damage calculation has a random component. But their friendship level should be somewhere in the game code directly... if anyone knows where to look. --[[User:LaprasBoi|LaprasBoi]] 01:21, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

== The use of Green? ==

Okay, we all know it's Blue in Generation IV by now. But his default name in FireRed is still his Japanese name, Green. Maybe the article should mention this in the FireRed / LeafGreen section? [[User:LinkTheLefty|LinkTheLefty]] 04:21, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

== Disambiguation error ==

Blue is not a game, he's a game character. The disambiguation, "game", makes no sense. --[[User:Bilge|Bilge]] 23:37, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
:May is not an anime, she's an anime character. We don't need titles that are five miles long. "Blue (your jerkass rival from the Kanto games). Blue (game) is good enough. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:44, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
::While it initially doesn't make sense when you're new(ish), the ''game'' refers to the fact that the article is about someone/something in the game continuity, the ''anime'' refers to someone/something in the anime continuity and so on. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 04:48, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

== Number of Pokes Trivia ==

There are 42, and I don't see why someone keeps changing it back. >:(

1. Bulbasaur
2. Charmander
3. Squirtle
4. Pidgey
5. Pidgeotto
6. Abra
7. Rattata
8. Ivysaur
9. Charmeleon
10. Wartortle
11. Kadabra
12. Raticate
13. Exeggcute
14. Growlithe
15. Gyarados
16. Pidgeot
17. Alakazam
18. Venusaur
19. Charizard
20. Blastoise
21. Rhyhorn
22. Rhydon
23. Exeggutor
24. Arcanine
25. Eevee
26. Spearow
27. Sandshrew
28. Fearow
29. Shellder
30. Vulpix
31. Magnemite
32. Sandslash
33. Vaporeon
34. Jolteon
35. Flareon
36. Cloyster
37. Magneton
38. Ninetales
39. Heracross
40. Tyranitar
41. Machamp
42. Rhyperior

I guess this person thinks he has a Magikarp that evolves into Gyarados or something like that, when it doesn't. [[User:MagicBarrier|MagicBarrier]] 01:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

==Manga==
Shouldn't Shigeru or Green be mentioned? The manga section only refers to Pokespe. [[User:Lovely Rose|Lovely Rose]] 20:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, if Blue has other counterparts feel free to add them. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 23:05, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

== trivia ==

"Blue is the only rival with a starter that could be weak to the players starter"

But doesn't the rival in Diamond, Pearl and Platinum become weak to the players starter if you choose Chimchar?

Piplup becomes Prinplup, then Empoleon, a Water/Steel type right? If Chimchar evolves into Monferno (then Infernape), a Fire/Fighting type, wouldn't you have the advantage against the secondary typing of that Empoleon? [[User:Gengarzilla|Gengarzilla]] 21:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
:Think it means primary type. Same thing happens with Torterra. Ground beats Fire. Although I do agree it should be removed. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 21:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

== Flareon's moveset. ==

I don't know why, but in Pokémon Yellow, Flareon is capable of using Reflect. When I used Omastar (or Omanyte) lvl ~42 to fight him with Water Gun Flareon doesn't attacked, just used Reflect every time. Also, recently when I attacked it with Thunder... it used Reflect. Does moveset varies or what? [[User:Marked +-+-+|Marked +-+-+]] 19:13, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

== Alakazam's moveset ==

In Pokémon Yellow Version, Champion Blue's Alakazam knows the move Psychic. Swift or Kinesis must be wrong. Probably Swift, since Alakazam and its evolutionary relatives aren't capable of learning that move according to Bulbapedia. It might know Reflect as well. This also applies for this page: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Blue_%28game%29/Yellow [[User:Nechifor|Nechifor]] 10:24, 10 December 2010 (UTC)
:From watching various YT videos, I confirmed {{m|Recover}}, {{m|Kinesis}}, {{m|Psychic}} and {{m|Psybeam}}. Looks like Swift was wrong. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 10:39, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

== Claus? ==

In HGSS his official art looks a lot like the masked man from MOTHER 3 without his mask. I am not the only one who has noticed this. here is a mask-less Claus- http://www.flickr.com/photos/75005145@N00/3095867094/ sorry, that's the best I could find...{{unsigned|Ghost chimera}}
:No, not really. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:16, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

== Moveset error ==

I recently battled him in Silph Co. and his Charizard used Smokescreen, Wing Attack, and Flamethrower.
Oh, and his Charmeleon used Smokescreen during the Pokémon Tower battle. [[User:Sludge|Sludge]] 14:32, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Mention of scrapped music? ==

I don't know, but I'm not entirely sure if fake or not. But I found one of the battle music on youtube, and it mentioned it playing in B/W but it was scrapped. Is it true? If it is, isn't it worth a mention in the Trivia box? [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 23:49, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Generation V

2011-09-13T01:48:03Z

Chocos0: /* Is there another main game coming up, or at least a side game in 2012? */

{{forums notice|December 31, 2011}}

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==Any References?==
With the impending release of [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver]] in America, can someone keep an eye out for any in-game references to Gen. V? Much appreciated. [[User:The Jigglypuff Ninja|The Jigglypuff Ninja]] 01:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:I doubt there are any references to Gen V in HGSS. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::And I ''highly'' doubt that NoA would change the script to add such references in. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Any references will probably be in the new Ranger game. Although the Lock Capsule is probably related to something in Generation V.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 01:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It's a Gen IV event item. Likely gonna be for a Gen IV event. Think: what hasn't been released yet? Could be Celebi... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::At the risk of dragging this out too far (this is quickly becoming something that'd fit on the forums), hackers would have found a Celebi Event in the coding, but no one has. Add in that PokeBeach reports that it seems to have similar transfer data as the Manaphy Egg, and it seems like it's supposed to be transferred out of HGSS into a new game... but I digress. We have no proof either way.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 05:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::The question is... how would it be obtained in the first place? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

==Jumping the Gun a bit?==
Are you guys sure we aren't looking into this a bit too far? All we have for clues are that they announced a new game and a new *something*. Not to mention it says it's gonna be new on the DS. What's to be sure of all of that? For all we know, the new game could be MindCrystal, the silhouette could be a new Forme like the last 5 that were announced. The new game could be a wii sequel to Pokemon XD:Gale of Darkness. If we can't even have Pokemon evolved editing pages when they're in the titles of episodes, why can we just up and announce a new generation? I mean, Pokebeach even said the silhouette isn't Z, what makes anyone certain it's Generation V?[[User:SLE_aman|SLE_]][[User:SLE_aman/talk|aman]] 11:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:What does Pokebeach have to do with anything? We know this is Gen V because Masuda SAID it is a new Pokémon. Nothing in this article says that this Pokémon is Z. Because we don't know that. All we know is that it is a new Pokémon. To think otherwise... well, you're in denial big time. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::The original announcement talked about the popularity of Diamond and Pearl before saying this game will be set in a new region with new Pokémon. What more evidence do you need? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, technically, the RPG announcement never explicitly said it would be main series. Even though Generation V Pokémon were hinted, it was never explicitly said that it was the full-fledged generation. It also never explicitly said it would be a pair, either. There are RPGs other than the main series, and they could use a side-series RPG to give Generation V-based cameos to increase anticipation for the full-fledged generation to come at a later date (much like Mystery Dungeon 1 did). Recent announcements pretty much excludes the possibility of it being a Ranger 4, but it's still possible that it could be a Mystery Dungeon 5 or something completely different than anything we've seen before. My [[$1|2¢]]: Odds are the TBA 2010 thing is not for the full-fledged Generation V. Especially if the RPG announcement turns out to be for a single. They've faked us out before, and even if the silhouette does turn out legitimate, it's probably still too early to be thinking full-fledged Generation V. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

::::Actually, I've seen a subb'ed version. Masuda specifically said "We're working on a new generation of pokémon" --[[User:Camzoman]]
::::Yeah. And nowhere in that did it explicitly say that was the TBA 2010 project. They can be working on a new generation of Pokémon, yet still announce and release side games relating mainly to the previous generation. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Camzoman, where exactly did you see this subbed version? I did not hear Masuda mention a "new generation" anywhere in the video - what he said was "we're developing a brand-new work for Pokemon." However, I don't think there's any denying at this point that it is indeed the new generation. The [http://www.corocoro.tv/pokerelease/index.html Corocoro site] doesn't seem to be implying that this is a side game (not that Game Freak makes side games to begin with). It's a new version(s), with a new setting, new Pokemon, new features... sounds like a new generation to me. :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Japanese doesn't have a plural so the "he only said one" argument doesn't hold. [[n:New Pokémon RPG announced|Just look at the information we have]]. It's obviously Generation V. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Anyway, the CoroCoro scans for Zoroark fit the silhouette from Pokémon Sunday.--[[User:Crazylegs24]]

== Why is this page protected? ==
Why is this page protected? --[[User:?????|Any]] [[User talk:?????|Questions]][[User:?????|?????]] 18:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:Think about it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough*Speculation*cough* [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Because someone is 100% likely going to put what they think the new Pokémon is, probably saying it's Mightyena's evolution or something, if it isn't protected. That is speculation, something that isn't allowed here in the mainspace. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It is not a good sign when a question like this needs to be asked.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 22:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::That against us or against the users who'd make crappy speculative edits? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's against users who don't realise why it should be protected...--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::...same thing? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Arguable.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 13:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Would it not be better to make this page "semi-protected" so that only established users can edit? There are plenty of established users who are not administrators, whom I'm sure would want to contribute to such a monumental article. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 09:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:That wouldn't stop speculation from incurring. If you have any confirmed evidence, ask for it here.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Generation V Pokémon Infobox, anyone? ==

I know you'll probably all find this pointless, but I decided to throw together a {{redlink|Template:PokémonInfoboxGenV|temporary infobox}} to use for the Generation V Pokémon articles. It's basically a stripped-down version of the regular infobox that leaves out all the fields for any technical stuff (Egg groups, EXP yield, Gender ratios, etc.) that's unlikely to be revealed until ''Pokémon V'' comes out later this year. I also created a [[User:Quagbert/Z (Pokémon)|user-subpage for the silhouetted mystery Pokémon]] that uses a {{redlink|Template:PokémonInfoboxGenVNoncat|non-categorizing version}} of this template.

''Thanks to {{u|PsychicRider}} for making me aware of the original non-categorizing Pokémon infobox.'' [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 00:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Masamitsu Hidaka==

Should [[Masamitsu Hidaka]] be mentioned since that interview kind of confirmed Generation V? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Unlink ==

Can somebody please unlink "Generation V Pokémon"? It's a redlink right now. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== This just in! ==

Serebii.net just confirmed the first two Fifth Generation Pokémon! Go check it out! :) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 14:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii.net didn't. Leaked scans did. Also, the first one was already revealed. The second one was revealed to be before it in their evolutionary line. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::I think yu're probably going to need to find this information from another source. It seems like the users here have some sort of vendetta against Serebii.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 14:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It is officially confirmed. It was from a different source. It was from scans. You can see bulbanews's draft. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::We don't have any vendetta against Serebii. He just isn't the source in this case - CoroCoro is. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Either way, it's confirmed right? I'd love to update the page, but it's locked. *ahem*
''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]'' [[User:Chosen|-]] 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

[[File:CoroCoro March 1.jpg|thumb]]

Here's the picture! --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 15:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright, these two Pokémon have been offically confirmed by the leaked CoroCoro scans, but apparently it's still considered too early to put up the Bulbapedia articles for them. Is there some additional form of conformation that we're waiting for?

Anyway, I already have {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}} in my userspace ready to be moved to the main space when we're finally allowed to do so. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's probably due to lack of information. I assume that when its ability/abilities and/or base stats are revealed it will be moved. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::IIRC, none of that sort of information (especially base stats) was revealed for the Generation IV Pokémon until the actual release of Diamond/Pearl, or shortly before, though we still had mainspace articles for them anyway. This means it'd be months before we move Zorua/Zoroark into the mainspace. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, according to serebii, they're supposed to be revealed next month. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Related Pokémon ==

On the page, it says that it has noteable links with the Riolu and Poochyena families. If it's definitely pure dark type then just ignore this, but couldn't it be an alternative to the Vulpix family? --[[User:Herachu|Herachu]] 22:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
: I agree. --[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|i herd u liek Treakos?]] 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-]][[User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Hinoarashi]]

== New Pokémon template ==

Based partly on the {{template|DP episode}} template, I've decided to make a [[Template:NewPokémon|new Pokémon template]] to use the next time a new Pokémon is revealed. The code would go like this:
<pre>
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|Jp. Katakana name|Romanized Jp. name|
typen= (number of types) |
type1= (first type) |
type2= (second type) |
pron= (name's pronunciation) |
jspecies= (species in Japanese) |
species= (species, aka "____ Pokémon")
image= (filename of image) |
caption= (caption for said image) |
height-m= (height in meters) |
weight-kg= (weight in kilograms) |
prev= (previous Pokémon's (i.e. pre-evolution) name, Arceus by default) |
prevnum= (previous Pokémon's National Dex #, 493 by default) |
next= (next Pokémon's (i.e. evolved form) name, Bulbasaur by default) |
nextnum= (next Pokémon's National Dex #, 001 by default) |
}}
</pre>
Those who want to use this template for their own userspace should replace "main" in the top line with "user", so that those user sub-pages aren't categorized with the genuine Pokémon articles in the main space. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Take away part in introduction ==

It says that it is unknown whether the new games will be contemporaneous with any of the other games. I beg to differ. Pokemon Sunday officially stated that Zoroark lives in a "New Area". Or is it just saying that it is unknown whether it will be possible to travel to another region? Spenfen
:Contemporaneous means at the same time. Like how RBY and RSE are at the same time, and so is GSC and DPPt. It has nothing to do with location.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 18:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Japanese Gen. 5 page ==
I have a good link to a japanese page on the Generation 5 games here: [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/game/g100215_03.html].--[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 01:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:That's kinda where we got all of our information. Pokémon.co.jp and the Japanese Pokémon variety shows. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

== Interwiki link to Pokéteca ==

Now that there's an article about [[:es:Quinta Generación|Generation V on Pokéteca]], can someone add it the interwiki link to it, please? --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 03:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Two New Generation V Pokémon Scan !!! ==

Hey guys, I got this '''EPIC''' magazine scan featuring two new evolutions of Delibird and Farfetch'd from Generation V and it seems 100% real. {{unsigned|Adyniz}}
:It's not. Notice how I protected the hell out of those names ''before Zoroark and Zorua were revealed''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Does that mean this scan is a fake one? --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 07:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The screenshot is obviously fake if you couldn't tell. That should have given it away easily. So yes, it is fake. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 07:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Lol, man I am dumb.
::::'''Source''': http://www.pokemondarkay.net/{{unsigned|Adyniz}}
:::::Looks pretty real. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 11:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Well it may look real but I've seen things in my days done in Photoshop that looked very real. Can someone translate or is there even any legit source? I don't read Spanish nor Japanese. [[User:.insomniac.|inso]]m[[User_talk:.insomniac.|niac]] 11:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Since it's already been confirmed as fake, please take further discussion regarding the scan to the {{tt|forums|Not the Bulbapedia forum.}}. Thanks, - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 11:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

== [[Nintendo 3DS]] ==

It's very likely that these new games will be on the 3DS, so can someone remove the statement saying that the games ''will'' be released on the regular DS?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 00:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:[[Generation II]] ahoy. The press release said DS. Not 3DS. 3DS comes out NEXT YEAR. These come out THIS YEAR. Nintendo's not ''stupid''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::It could be released before Christmas in Japan so there is the potential for the game to be on 3DS. But that's purely guesswork at the moment and it could still be a DS game even if the 3DS is implemented so we go with the only source on the matter - the original announcement which said it will be on the DS. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 11:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Or, as in Generation II, the games could be programmed with 3DS enhancements, yet still be playable on the DS. Nonetheless, until something official states that they will utilize the 3DS, any mention of it is speculation at best. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Technically, TTEchidna, the page that announced the 3DS stated that it would be released sometime between now and next April, so that doesn't mean next year.
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 23:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== Current Length ==

The days have weird numbers, can an administrator fix them? Thanks. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 21:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:They're automatically calculated by the template... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
::But the games haven't been released yet. I think it's too early to say that Generation V has started. [[User:Fudgenuggets|Fudgenuggets]] 22:16, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:::It hasn't started yet. It starts in 0.8 days according to those numbers. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 03:22, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::::It's because it's calculated weirdly. Once we have a ''date'', we'll put that in, and it'll look right. Until then, DECIMALLLLLLLLLL '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

== Uploaded player sprite ==

[[File:GenV.player.front.png‎]] [[File:GenV.player.side.png‎]]

I got the player sprite and uploaded it to the archives... I guess if someone can find a place for it on the article, well, there it is!

Actually, now that I see them side-by-side, it looks like the front-facing sprite on the left is the male character while the right-facing sprite on the right is the female character. Any ideas? - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 02:01, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:1) This is the article for Gen V in general, not just Black and White.
:2) Do we have the overworld sprites from the past games anywhere? The characters themselves will get articles eventually but we will hopefully have Sugimori artwork released around the time that happens. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 23:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::We do, but... mostly fronts. And those are animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I'm sure there's a home for those sprites... right? :) - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 06:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== About the day count... ==

You should set it to zero, I'm not sure we'll have Pokémon B&W in -0.840277777778 days. --[[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]] 12:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:But we all wish we did... [[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 11:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::You mean you didn't get your game 0.840277777778 days ago? Never mind, I hacked the template to make it say better stuff. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::As long as you didn't break the template on the other four generations. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm fairly certain I didn't. Fixed it through an optional extra parameter. Seeing as the parameter doesn't exist on the other four pages, nothing should have broken. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gen 4 compatability ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this has been confirmed? (The upcoming Flare Blitz Entei and co can do something in gen 5) {{unsigned|Deuxhero}}
:makes sense, but since it's not officially confirmed, {{tt|we can't include it.|That's Bulbapedia's standard.}} [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 12:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::What do you mean, it hasn't been officially confirmed? It's been confirmed that the shiny legendary gerbils unlock something in BW, meaning that they are transferable to aforementioned games. Serebii.net reported on this last month. Oh wait, let me guess- Serebii.net isn't what you consider a reliable source despite only being wrong about stuff they explicitly said they weren't sure about in the first place. We also didn't add all the english names for all the HGSS stuff until it came out and proved him right. When are you guys gonna swallow your pride and admit that Serebii.net is probably the most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::''The most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet?'', {{tt|Hahahaha, I don't think so|I don't want to go off-topic otherwise it will be long debate}}. Anyway, wait for an official announcement before doing/adding anything. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 14:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::If I recall though it was indeed confirmed by an official source that the legendary beasts could unlock something in BW... apparently someone got their hands on the pamphlet that you get for pre-ordering the ticket and it states that the beasts unlock stuff in BW. Not sure if there's a scan of it anywhere though, I would refrain from putting it on the page if it's just his personal speculation again. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::If it is added, be sure not to assume HOW the games are compatible; it's possible they could unlock something through a method other than trading or transferring. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just as a clarification, an official site has yet to specifically state "generation 4 can trade in some way with generation 5". The pamphlet in question can be seen in entirety [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/image/tickets/print/guide.pdf here]. On page 3 there is a small section that talks about Pokemon Black/White and the last sentence of that section mentions that the 3 have a secret. This was taken to mean that the 3 unlock something in B/W obviously because it is mentioned inside the B/W section and therefore probably are able to be traded to Gen 5 in some way. Anyways, that was the logic behind "Gen 4 and 5 compatibility confirmed." Whether that is a good enough reason to be added on here or not, I don't know :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 16:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC))
:::::::There's ''also'' that little issue of them being ON THE DS. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I get the concept of compatability with Gen4 but whats going to happen to the Pokedex when you get aGen5 Pokemon on a Gen4 game?([[User: Munchy Lax]] 20:33,3 June 2010 (EST)
:Well you obviously won't be able to take anything that wasn't in Gen IV back to a gen IV game. If it's a direct trade then it'll be like the time capsule in generation II. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Starters ==

Here's the image from Pokémon Sunday: [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 01:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC) [[File:PokéSun May09 10.png|thumb|right]]

I can guess that the Grass Type is a Bird of Parodise Pokemon, as in the plant 'Bird of Parodise,' and also they had already done Bird based starters for [[Torchic|Fire]] and [[Piplup|Water]], and not yet Grass. If this could be true when revealed, then it will certainly complete the Bird Starters just like the Lizard Starters of [[Treeko|Grass]],[[Charmander|Fire]] and [[Totodile|Water]].
The Fire Type could may as well be a piglet for it's curley tail, and the Water Type could be another Amphibian Pokemon like [[Mudkip]]. These are just guesses, but what do you think? [[User:Cynthia149]] 17:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think that you need to take your speculation to the forums. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 16:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for the heck of it, I have a [[User:Quagbert/No.494 (Pokémon)|draft article for the Grass starter]], which I created using the template I mentioned above. I also have startup code to create the Fire and Water starters' articles using this same template, if anyone's interested:
<pre>
Fire Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Fire
|image=
|art=|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(grass starter)|next=water starter)}}

Water Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Water
|image=
|art=|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(fire starter)|next=Zorua}}
</pre>
[[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

For the curious, from left to right its the Grass-type, the Fire-type, and the Water-type. [http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/12/mystery_pokemon_detailed/ Here]. Still no names or pics other though. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 14:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:There's this great site called Bulbanews that has already reported that information - and with pictures, too! [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 16:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Excuuuuse me for not noticing. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== "Both are canine Pokémon," ==

By which the article presumably means ''vulpine''; canine refers to dogs but Zoroa and Zoroark are/will be fox Pokémon. [[User:Smithers888|Smithers888]] 04:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:Foxes are canine. Ish. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canidae - Canini and Vulpini are separate members of Canidae --[[User:Grinnz|Grinnz]] 18:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::: I had something but might as well just ask. Aren't dogs actually Lupine, if we're going Vulpine for foxes.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

isnt lupine for wolves Iirc ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
: Dogs are in the same family as wolves. Canis Lupus, the dog is only further distinguished by Canis Lupis familiaris. But even still Canine could refer to Canidae which is what Foxes/Dogs/wolves are in. The only difference is Foxes are further classified as "Vulpine" and if we follow suit, dogs/wolves would be Lupine not Canine. And it did say some foxes (while not true foxes) could still be under the Canis Genus if that's where the Canine name comes from. But again while Canine might refer to dogs specifically, isn't that more of a general consensus, rather than a scientific consensus? I'm going scientific here, if people want to be so correct with the whole Vulpine/Canine argument. -[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Who cares, really. That section'll be gone by the end of the year. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Older PCs ==

[http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/12/mystery_pokemon_detailed/ Apparently], artwork shown in Coro Coro comics indicates that the Player characters aren't kids like previous generations, but are a bit older and appear to be young adults. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 14:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== well heres the pics ==

I have a corocoro scan of the player characters.....

[[File:User373931 pic151409 1273683476.png|thumb|right|here they are]]
([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:The scan is from Pokebeach. I think we'd prefer it if it was your own scan. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well, the beach is our buddy, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokémon? ==

I found this online. It has the Pokémon Sunday picture in the corner. Does anybody know if this is the real deal or a scam?
http://nd03.blog.cz/294/620/14fe8a949a_61909769_o2.jpg
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 19:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

bleh...looks fake ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:Old and fake. (btw: the text on the bottom says "the Pokemon that grasps the key to the Ruler of Illusions: Z!") [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Fail. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokémon (CoroCoro scan) ==

Came here to upload the scan, but apparently someone else did but didn't do anything with it. Here it is: [[File:Corocoro7.jpg|right|thumb]]
This info should probably be put into the main article. [[User:Marluxia.Kyoshu|Marluxia.Kyoshu]] 20:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's been used on News. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== More info! ==

*Zorua has the Illusion ability.
*Mijumaru is 0.5m tall and weighs 5.9kg. It also has the Torrent ability.
*Tsutaaja is 0.6m tall and weighs 8.1kg. It also has the Overgrow ability.
*Pokabu is 0.6m tall and weighs 9.9kg. It also has the Blaze ability.
These should be added to the Pokémon articles--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== On the use of unconfirmed information ==

<strike>We seem to have taken a whole bunch of unconfirmed information as fact here, and as it's generally not Bulbapedia policy to do so, it somewhat bothers me.

For the record, here is a list of information, much of which has been added to Bulbapedia, that I have not seen in the CoroCoro pages or any other official source (though if you have official sources with this that I have missed, please, by all means, link me):
*The name "Tsutaaja," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Grass-type
*The name "Pokabu," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Fire-type
*The name "Mijumaru," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Water-type
*"Hiun City"
*Zoroark's ability, "Illusion"
*Those two new attacks whose names I can't be bothered to remember right now (Trickery and Claw Sharpen or something?)
*The method by which to obtain Zoroark
I have seen ''none'' of this come from official sources, only from fansites, blogs, and forums. (Hell, I could have sworn that I saw some of this in a 2ch speculation thread back in March.) The justification to their validity seems to be that the random anonymous person who posted this information on 2ch was right about other information before it was leaked, so he must be right now - but that reasoning hasn't been enough in past cases, has it?

I really wish we had kept the above-mentioned facts off of Bulbapedia until they were confirmed, but here they are. I personally think they should be removed (and the starters' pages moved into TTE's userspace or something) until they are confirmed, but a reasonable compromise, I think, would be to tag all articles that mention this information with an "unconfirmed" tag of some sort (I seem to remember a template for one, though I can't find it now...).

Any thoughts?</strike> [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:They're all from CoroCoro. It's pretty undeniable. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 18:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Scratch that, I found the CoroCoro scans that apparently no one cared to share which confirmed all of this. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Region ==

i would just like to say that, because of the set-up of the page, it looks like one or the regions in Gen. V is Starters. I would fix it myself, but I'm not an Admin. could an admin please change it show it looks like this

<nowiki>
==Regions==
===Isshu===
==Starters==</nowiki>

instead of this

<nowiki>
==Regions==
===Isshu===
===Starters===</nowiki> thank-you [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 19:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:If you take a look at the table of contents, you'll see that "Starter Pokémon" is a lower heading than "Isshu", as it should be, to indicate that those are the Starter Pokémon of Isshu. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:51, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::i guess that's true. the actual part of the article is what made me confused. But looking at the Table of Contents, it is set up correctly.[[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 23:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Never too early to have the article set up like the rest. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==Legendary Pokémon==
I saw two new Pokémon looks like the legendaries at the Pokémon english official site (names+artworks). Their names are Reshiram and Zekrom. I don't know if these informations are useful but... -[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
:Already a page on Bulbanews. Also, since it's breaking news, admins, may not have had time to add it in. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:If anyone's interested, I have userspace draft articles for [[User:Quagbert/Reshiram|Reshiram]] and [[User:Quagbert/Zekrom|Zekrom]]. I just made them as draft articles since I'm not sure if it's appropriate yet to put them in the mainspace, but when it is, any admin is free to move them (or give me the OK to do so). [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 20:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I may as well mention that {{user|Jello}} also has draft articles as well: [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Reshiram (Pokémon)|Reshiram]], [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Zekrom (Pokémon)|Zekrom]] [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 20:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hi, I'm new here, but I just wanted to add a little bit of information about the names, if it hasn't been done already. In Reshiram's name, the shiramu (シラム) comes from [http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E7%99%BD%E3%82%80&stype=0&dtype=0 shiramu (白む)] which means "turning white" or "growing light". In Zekrom's name, the kuromu (クロム) comes from [http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E9%BB%92%E3%82%80&stype=0&dtype=0 kuromu (黒む)] which means "turning black" or "tinged with darkness". They're used especially with regards to the sky, for example, "the sky grows light at dawn" or "the sky is tinged with darkness at night". Hope that helps a little. [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, and just speculating, but the Re- and Ze- could come from rei (レイ) and zero (ゼロ), two pronunciations of rei (零), which obviously means "zero". [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::How come nobody's yet made the articles for Reshiram and Zekrom yet? And yet people who DO create articles at strange names to get around it, they just get deleted. Why not just move them to the proper names? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 01:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::We're not satisfied with them yet. And considering tomorrow's PSunday, we'll probably get more than enough data. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::We need to put informations of the two legendaries fast, my friends are asking more things about them but I just have the basic. '''[[User:Blaze of Shadow|Blaze of Shadow]]
:::::::We can't get more info yet Blaze, tell your friends to wait.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
we dont even know their secondary or primary types, we only know that they are part dragon type, so not even the most basic info we have, the article would be only a picture with nothing else.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 07:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:That is all we knew about Zoroark when he was first revealed. Type and picture. Everything else was blank. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 08:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::He was also the first Gen. V Pokémon revealed, which is why he was such a big deal. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Five Known Pokemon? ==

The article says that five Generation V Pokemon are known, but with the announcement yesterday, seven are known. It even mentions Reshiram and Zekrom in the article. Can an admin make the edit?--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 03:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:And the Zekrom page is exist. Please fix this too. -[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
::Yeah, perhaps semi-protection would be smarter here if the admins can't afford to be on top of this at all times. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 15:46, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:::The template uses the number of pages to find how many are new. After that, you have to purge the content by pressing the clock by your username to make it show seven. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::<s>I see. So the reason it reads five instead of seven is that there are no articles for Zekrom and Reshiram, and the reason there are no articles for them is because they are create-protected. The admins couldn't just create the pages and protect them? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 15:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC</s>
:::::Didn't realize they'd been created. I've purged the content, but it still reads five. Maybe the categories haven't been added to the new legendaries' articles? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 16:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's likely because of your cache, maybe? The generation infobox reads new Pokemon as the amount of articles in [[:Category:Generation V Pokémon]], it doesn't need to be manually updated. We apologize for any inconvenience if we don't have new Pokemon articles up within the day they're revealed- we'd like to make sure that our articles aren't sloppily put together and include all the known info... which can be difficult at times and make us go "Hm, is one line of text and a mostly-unfilled infobox really worth an article?". Not the point, I know, but I'd just like to point that out. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 17:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
No, that's not it at all. I've taken a look at the source code, and it actually reads "Currently, five Generation V Pokémon are known." No template or anything. This needs to be changed. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 19:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:OH! You're talking about the infobox! We've been talking about the specific text in the article, under the "Currently known Pokémon" section. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 20:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

==The Order==

Someone have thinged what is the right order of Zoroa,Zoroark,Reshiram and Zekram? when the numbers be show we need to make the right order. [[User:Blaze of Shadow]] 23:30, 1 June 2010
:Please make more sense.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 05:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::We don't know what numbers they are because we don't know how high the regional dex is going to go. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't think Blaze is talking about specific dex numbers, just general placement, i.e. we can assume that Zekrom and Reshiram will be near the end of the dex, but we can't confirm anything right now. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 14:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==July 2010 New Pokémon==
I just whipped a [[User:Quagbert/Chiraamii (Pokémon)|draft article for Chirāmī]] based on the scans that just leaked out. I only did Chirāmī since that's the only one we have a decent amount of clear info on. Perhaps in the future we may want to take any more new Gen V Pokémon discussion {{tt|over here|Category talk:Generation V Pokémon}} and leave this talk page for other Gen V stuff, though that just my suggestion. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 12:05, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== Hiragana vs. Kanji ==

"''Kanji are now used in game menus and text, in addition to the hiragana and katakana used in the previous four generations.''" >> Not saying that this statement is false but could someone point me to a known instance of the games where kanji is used more prominently? I know that it has been used for some things already since Gen I, like the prices in the Japanese versions using the kanji for yen, but this seems to refer to a greater use of the kanji throughout the dialogues... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 17:45, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:If I recall correctly, Colo/XD also uses kanji... I think PBR and Stadium ''miiight'', but I'm not sure. There's also kanji in the TCG GB games. I might be missing a few...
:However, this is the first time that a main series handheld game has used kanji in dialogue- the only screenshot I can recall seeing it though was the intro with [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/characters/characters02.html Prof Araragi and Chirami]. It's assumed to be a toggle of sorts seeing as there's other dialogue screenshots with just kana. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 17:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
::I was referring specifically to BW, though, but thanks for the info you provided. xD Well, it does really seem to be an optional element, since I didn't notice kanji in any of the footage before, not even that one of Prof. Araragi and Chiramii... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 18:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, according to the new Iwata Asks[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index.html#list] there is going to be both a hiragana mode and a kanji mode. I suggest changing "''Kanji are now used in game menus and text, in addition to the hiragana and katakana used in the previous four generations.''" to something like "''Aside from the usual game menus and text in {{wp|hiragana}} and {{wp|katakana}}, there is now also the option of a {{wp|kanji}} mode. While hiragana and katakana made the Pokémon series accessible to elementary school kids, the optional texts mixed with kanji now also make the games easier to pick up for older teens and adults.''" As opposed to the present version, this makes clear that there is the '''option''' of kanji, and explains the effects of the new kanji mode to those unknown to the Japanese writing system. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 12:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Named after colors ==

Trivia mentions that black and white are colors, technically they're not colors. I think it should be reworded to say that the titles were the first since Generation I (or II, since gold and silver can be colors) to not be named after a gemstone or a mineral. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:Technically, they '''are''' colors. Technically, they are not hues - they are shades. This terminology is used in most artistic endeavors, except lighting, where white and black are the presence or absence of light, but that's neither here nor there. These are colors. However, I agree that silver and gold are also colors, but I think it's pretty clear what was meant in the article. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 14:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon currently known ==

By my latest tally, including the pokemon recently released, their are now about 20 with names and around 3 more that still remain unnamed, should anyone make an edit of this. {{unsigned|InferSizMamoMagne}}
:There are fourteen named Pokémon; these are the ones that are counted. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

i want to add koromori. but it wont let me [[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 19:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:The page name has been protected because we know too little about the subject. You can quit spamming pages now, please. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The Picture ==

I'm just wondering if instead of the logos of Black and White getting put as the picture, I think that someone should just put the Japanese boxart pictures on.-- [[User:lilkaykaygal|lilkaykaygal]] 7:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:The boxart is on the {{game|Black and White|s}} article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== advances in gameplay ==
i need to add that you can play triple battles in pokemon black and white. [[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 19:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:Or someone else could add it when we know more about it. Why do ''you'' need to add it?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:38, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, nevermind, someone already put it in.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, and please fix the triple battles link - it points to ''Double_battle#Triple_battle'' as of now, while the correct would be ''Double_battle#Triple_battle'''s''''' --'''HTMLCODER.exe@bulbapedia$_ [[User:HTMLCODER.exe|/usr]][[Special:Contributions/HTMLCODER.exe|/bin]][[User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe|/apache2]] -k restart''' 11:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Evos ==

I MIGHT have found the final evolutions of the starters, but they are probably fake.

Here they are: File:GenVStarterEvos.png

[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 17:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:They're fake. (and the picture has been deleted on the Archives) <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== NGamer - 157? ==

In the most recent issue of NGamer magazine UK, they said there would be 157 new Pokémon in B/W. I don't know where they could have gotten that possible fact from, but it ought to be looked into, in the event that they are telling the truth. However, NGamer have been known to put rumors down as fact, and I would predict this is false. [[User:Torngentleman2|MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2)]] 18:37, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
: It is a rumor that's been circulating for a while, but there hasn't been any actual evidence I'm yet aware of. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

==season==
since seasons were confirmed to be in gen V could someone add that to this generations changes?[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 20:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colours ==

Wow, this is totally random and pointless, but I wanted to point out that the thing about these being the first games named after colours since G1 is inaccurate. All the games have been based off of colours, however, those colours also tend to be other things (metals and gems, etc.). For example, silver is a colour, gold is a colour, ruby is bright red, as it's counterparts sapphire and emerald to blue and green respectively, and so forth. I just think that it's kinda pointless to put that information int he trivia when it's not exactly true. But feel free to debate with me, I'm open for people trying to change my mind. :D

[[User:Makuta Zero|Makuta Zero]] 06:21, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Advances in Gameplay ==

I think that it should include that seasons will be in the games. --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 15:35, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== Monochrome generation? ==

its not monochrome monochrome is 1 color black and white is already 2 it should be called the shade generation since they already said third would be grey {{Unsigned|Ares5566}}
:I'd like to inform you of a few things
:1. Sign your comments. ALWAYS

:2. "Pokémon Gre(a)y" was never confirmed

:3. Monochrome doesn't mean 1 color. It means shades of 1 color. so Monochrome and Shade are the exact same thing. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 02:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

::Just how Generation III was the Advanced Gen, why isnt this the Rebirth Gen? That is what is really is. They are having fresh new starts. Also, monochrome only applies to three games. Speculation shows that we have high chances of getting an Emerald remake (ranberth at youtbue has evidenece). In 2012, 10 anivesity; they like to remake at that time. Also, im reseaching that we might get more Gen I remakes due to 15th anivesrity. The biggest hint is that every region has included Kanto.Here is my guess...

::*2011-Black and White
::*2012-Grey
::*2012-Emerald remake
::*2013-Gen I remakes
::(they will more spaced out)
::So, with that said, i want to vote on a name! --[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 06:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Monochrome is accurate for now. If there are Hoenn remakes, the name can be changed. It's called what fans have chosen, and for now it's monochrome. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Needs Updated ==

This page is outdated. It needs to get updated with the latest info that has since been confirmed by last month's CoroCoro, and reconfirmed by both Pokemon Sunday & the official Site.
[[User:Shinji-San|Shinji-San]] 01:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)Shinji-San

== The fan name is wrong ==

The page says they call it the "monochrome generation".I am an Art Major at Lord Fairfax Community College,and that name makes no sense.Monochrome "only 1 color".There are 2 versions,and also black and white are not colors.They are refered to as neutrals in art(which is the only side that has an argument in color).Also,black is the abscense of color,and white is the combination of all percieved color.That name is completely inaccurate,and should be removed from the article because it does not really relate. {{unsigned|Slyver333}}
:According to Wikipedia's article on {{wp|Monochrome}}, "For an image, the term monochrome is usually taken to mean the same as black-and-white or, more likely, grayscale..." Therefore monochrome is not incorrect here. Also, if it's here, it probably means it was used on some Japanese fansite--just because it's not "right" in art, doesn't mean it can't be used as a fan term. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 02:24, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
::Plus, black and white ARE colors - they aren't hues, but they are colors. In art terms, they are technically called shades and tints, respectively. Black is a shade of any color, and white is a tint of any color. As long as you're not talking about light, that makes them both colors. (When discussing colors of light, it is acceptable to refer to white as a combination of all frequencies, and black as the absence of all frequencies, but we're not in optics.) I don't know what you're art teachers are telling you, Slyver, but I'd double check your facts before trying to correct people. Different schools of thought use different terminology, and although I've never heard of the terms you use, I know the ones I learned are widely accepted. Long story short, monochrome is an acceptable term for this generation. (Monochrome can also refer to any range of shades, tints, and tones that have a single hue as their base.) [[User:Jazzmoth|ʝɑzzmotɦ]] [[User talk:Jazzmoth|❝❞]][[Special:Contributions/Jazzmoth|✎]] 21:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Number of new pokes. ==

One of the new commericals claimed over 100 new pokes ([http://pokebeach.com/2010/08/black-white-wii-commercials-reveal-many-new-scenes Pokebeach says so anyways]) would be introduced. Should we change the "Pokémon" field in the template to reflect that? Also the info on communications with gen 4 is outdated. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 01:06, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

== Anthing for Trivia? ==

1.I think that with the information we have so far, we should be able to come up with some stuff for the section, at least for when it becomes editable to regular users. I noticed that this is the first Generation to not have a game where you (presumably) can't go to the Kanto region (as in Generation III, there are the Gen. I remakes, Generation IV has HeartGold and SoulSilver, where you can visit Kanto after beating the Elite Four).

2. I was wondering if anyone thinks they may make a Ruby/Sapphire remake, because Gen. III wasn't that much less advanced in terms of graphics and mechanics, so making a remake would be somewhat pointless, as you could just as easily buy the original, and considering they would have to put a lot of work into making a game that would be more or less the same in most ways(you can tell the added material in LG/FR and HG/SS is obviously needed or at least very different).

3. The new Japanese commercials for Black & White reveal another new team (as expected) and what looks like some sort of conversation thing where you get an up close look who you're talking to. Any comments?

Please respond if you would like. --[[User:BeeBwakka|BeeBwakka]] 23:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:# Trivia sections aren't things that need to be filled. No-one should ever be goining around looking at a page and trying to add trivia just because the trivia section is short.
:# Talk pages aren't for general discussion. RS remake talk should be taken to {{bmgf|56930|this thread on the forums}}.
:# Can you get pictures of the commercials? It would help for confirming details. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It's far too early to say that anything won't happen in the next four years. Yes, the chances of revisiting Kanto are less likely this time around but anything could happen in the games after BW, especially with the 3DS (which any RS remakes would be on). --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 01:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I just joined so I'm new to this stuff. --[[User:BeeBwakka|BeeBwakka]] 12:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==

Akinator ([http://www.akinator.com here]), is a website where Akinator (the character) tries to guess any character you're thinking of (by yes-no-maybe questions). It (the site) may be a little too small to be notable (though mijumaru alone has already been tried over 140 times) but it *already* has a question "Is your character from the fifth generation of Pokemon". [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 20:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think it would be trivia, unless it was a big site. If it should be, it should be noted that they misspelled Pokémon. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Oh god, not that thing...damn genie.. I don't think it would be trivia either...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:42, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Generation Length ==

Does anyone mind correcting the generation length? It says "-5 days". --[[User:MCRMY119|-DH]] 21:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Five days until, at that time. Now it says -1, because it's released on Saturday, also known as, you know... tomorrow. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

== All Pokemon Revealed. ==

http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon.shtml[[User:Umitencho|Umitencho]] 19:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii's not an official source. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Gen V framerate ==

Shall we mention it? (For anyone curious: 30 overworld, 60 battles, title screen, 2D menus, 15 opening) [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 15:18, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Do you want a title screen pic like all the generations before it? ==

Just asking. If needed, I'll produce these. [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 13:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:Yeeeahh. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::Feel free to pick the one which's better. (http://s1096.photobucket.com/albums/g329/Jarooda/Bulbapedia%20stuff/) (That's my Photobucket!) [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 12:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, you're Jarooda? Did not know. Um, the first and the fourth are good. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::::What should I name them in Bulbagarden Archives? [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 12:35, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::The second and the third actually have smoother edges, but this your call, Trom. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Did it. What do you guys think? [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 01:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::I guess they do, but I liked the dragons' poses better in the first and fourth :/ —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Useful source? ==

I accidentally came across this website which appears to reveal the trademarked romanji of the 646 'official' Pokémon as of now, as well as some insight on to their name origins. Is this official? --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 09:36, 8 November 2010 (UTC) [http://park3.wakwak.com/~pokepale/zukan/no/1_1_25.htm]
:It's a fan site I think, like it says on the main page "This site is Japanese Pokemon Fan Site.". [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 09:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 09:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== Why some classics arent in the regionnal dex ==

some classics (magicarp, pikachu, geodude, abra, etc.) dont appear in isshu. why?

I think thats because they are far away from kanto/jotho/hoenn/sinnoh. maybe the pokemons of gen5 will be the standards for 3 other gens. {{unsigned|Grhaal0}}
:Game Freak has already stated that the reason old Pokémon aren't included is to give all players a fresh, new experience when playing the games. Your suggestion is speculation, which is rarely allowed and certainly doesn't take precedence over [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Wordofgod word of god]. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
::That brings up the question of "Why did they include old Pokemon at all". Surely a new game, set supposedly in a place half the globe away from previous games wouldn't have all these old Pokemon found in it.--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:::I've already explained to you Mackinz, the real world has some species which live in far away places (see rats, mosquitoes, etc.). I don't mean to offend, but if you're trying to bring up another debate over Isshu's basis/motif, this isn't the place. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 21:27, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Not trying to start a debate. Just can't figure out for the life of me why Paras would be in New York. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 20:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::Guys this disscussion needs to go to the forums. Stop cluttering the talk page. Please and Thank you [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 20:16, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
== New Catchable Pokémon from Old Generations==
You know, a lot of Pokémon in these games, although from previous generations, is the first time they are catchable in the wild (without hacks, of course), like Metagross, Kingdra, Mamoswine, Crobat, etc. Is that worth noting? [[User:TFSpock|TFSpock]] 00:47, 4 December 2010 (UTC)TFSpock

== Wrong Pokémon Count ==
I find this page is within the category page of Generation V Pokémon. I post here, though, since this affects the number of new Pokémon in the summary of Generation V (the one that has the screenshot, main games, region introduced, etc).
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:SLE_aman/fanhax
- [[User:Chaotic iak|Chaotic iak]] 05:26, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:That page was using templates which categorise. I've replaced them with ones that don't categorise or replaced them with the relevant hardcode and removed the categories. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== Live Caster ==

Can anyone explain what it is? It's not in the article. --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee § Bwakka♂]] ''([[User talk:BeeBwakka|meh talk]])'' 02:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:Bulbapedia has [[Live Caster|a separate article for it]]. The basic information about it can be found there. --[[User:RiverAura|River]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|Aura]] 20:36, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

==Alterations from Generation IV==
Shouldn't the removal of Curse be moved from the "Trivia" section to the "Alterations from Gen IV" section? [[User:U2kheim|U2kheim]] 20:12, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:Wait a sec, what? Did you mean, the ???-type? Also, is it neccessary? --[[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 13:33, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
::Yes because it is an official elemental type. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Thematic Motif? ==

When will the thematic motif for this generation be written? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:18, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:Because, I'm assuming they're added after the release of the next generation. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 01:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::They were all added by one user quite recently. It's a new thing; no one's written the Gen V one yet. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

== Timescale between generations ==

i know there isn't an official timescale between BW and HGSS/DPPt (as HGSS/DPPt is 3 years ahead of FRLG and Ruby/Sapphire) but the page states that there must be a significant difference because the Rocket grunt who was seen in HGSS now has a son, however, Cynthia (DPPt) and Looker (Pt) are NPC's in Black and White too and don't appear to have aged much or at all (in comparison to Misty between FRLG and HGSS), so could it be possible that the grunt already had a son who grew up to be a Schoolboy trainer in a timespace of less than 3 years or slightly more? couldn't this mean that the time between HGSS and BW could be shorter than implied on the page? [[User:Azure42|Azure42]] 15:32, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Cynthia and Looker are much older, so they age much less. The older Gym leaders from FRLG didn't change that much in HGSS. Misty was going through puberty, so her aging would be much clearer. Regardless, I believe that that Rocket Grunt said that he met his wife soon after returning home, meaning that his son was not born in HGSS. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:39, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::It's highly likely to be 11 years - GSC was three years after RGB, RGB were released in 1996, with GS exactly three years later. BW were released 11 years after GS, and since RS happens at the same time as RGB and DP happens at the same time as GS, for the remakes' sake. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:04, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes but Caitin is already young in Platinum-HGSS. Maybe she is in her 20s or her early 30s. Yet, in Black and White she still appears to be young (maybe in her late 30s). So an eleven year gap seems to be too big.
::::People can't have a very similar appearance for years. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::You'd be surprised how little some people change over the years. My brother, for instance, has hardly changed in appearance in nearly 15 years. And let's not forget our famous [[Ash Ketchum|in-universe]] example.
:::::In regards to Caitlin, she honestly looks a lot younger than 20 in PtHGSS. Her exact age, however, is debatable. --'''[[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]]''' ''[[User talk:Darkeiya|talk to me!]]'' 10:40, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

== Kanto ==

why's it say this is the only Generation not to include Kanto? wouldn't something like that be better saved for after this Generation is over?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 23:33, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:Currently it is true. If this changes in the future, so will the trivia. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
::alright--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 07:52, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Running Shoes (Changes from Generation IV) ==

is it worth putting that the running shoes have returned to just pressing B in contrast to in HGSS when it could be automatically be put on using the button on the touch screen? or is it just useless trivia? [[User:Azure42|Azure42]] 17:27, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Debut ==
I noticed on the "Debut" part of the page it says "March 6 2011" - the U.S. release date. As it's under the "En" tag (obviously for "English") and the European release is 4th March 2011, should that be changed to reflect the EU release date? Although the majority of the fandom are American, it is the English premiere, or a third option be added? {{unsigned|Ryu Shoji}}
:It should really be first English, not first US. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::We use US dates for everything else, I don't see why this should be any different even if it is two days before. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 16:17, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Maybe we should add {{tt|*|March 6 in US}}?----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 16:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The thing says English, so we should use the first English date. The only reason US dates are used for everything else is because they are usually first ([[The Legend of Thunder!|but not always]]). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:23, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::The European date is when the English-speaking world begins Generation V. If the date has not been changed already, I will update it (this is the date we're counting down to on the Main Page/when all the info will be out, after all). —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

== Catching Pokemon at a certain time of day ==

Can someone confirm if this has been removed? As it would certainly seem to be. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yes; time of day-based encounter rate differences don't appear in the game data.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 15:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== New standards ==

I find some odd matches for gen I-V. Timburr, Dangoro and Woobat share traits with machop, geodude and zubat.
What if Gen V acts Like a new Gen I, that will provide Gen VI and up with reccuring pokemons (Magicarp, Geodude, Abra, Machop and Pikachu (and probably others) appears in all Generations I to IV) that will be "standards" for the next games?
Gen III seemed like a reboot for fans, maybe they tried then, and now they made it here.Maybe... [[User:Grhaal|Grhaal]] 01:49, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:Some fans have speculated that. We'll see what the future will be like. It'll be interesting. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:40, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia-new system ==

This is the second time (not the first) that a new generation of pokemon didnt start on a new system, while gold and silver had exclusive features when played on the GBC (playing in color), they were still playable on GB and GB pocket (cyrstal was the first game that required the GBC). Just as this duo of games can be played on DS, but when played on DSi or 3DS, these games also have exclusive features (the Xtransceiver only works on DSi and 3DS, but NOT on original DS/DS lite systems)

To say its the first time not to move to the next console at launch is misleading and untrue.
:[[File:Pokemonsilverbox.jpg|thumb|300px]]
:Box clearly says ''Game Boy Colour''. The games just happen to be backwards compatible. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 01:30, 17 February 2011 (UTC0)

the game cart is clearly a GB cart (notice the thumb grip goes in and says "Nintedo GameBoy" not out like a GBC cart) [http://gamesdbase.com/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy_Color/Cart/big/Pokemon-_Gold_Version_-_2000_-_Nintendo.jpg example of GB cart]
[http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fLtECJziqZI/SkqTt2PlFOI/AAAAAAAABmE/Ciwhrs2IL8E/HPIM1556.JPG example of GBC cart]

== Young trainer ==

Its obvious that "young trainer" is the player from D/P/Pt.--[[User:Grhaal|Grhaal]] 12:28, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== Non-Event Trivia ==
Is it worth noting the Generation V introduced the same number of non-event Pokémon as Generation I (150)? --[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 18:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think so. Victini is counted as an event Pokémon. With the unofficial Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect, that makes 156 - 4 = 152 non-event Pokémon. I have a ready list of all Generation V Pokémon for reference, and that indeed appears to be the case... [[User:Haxorus|Haxorus]] 14:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
::I think JDE was considering Zorua and Zoroark event Pokémon. Would it be correct to consider them that? After all, the only ways to get those two are through an event, or from someone else who has through trading or GTS. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

== Lock ==

I believe this page should be locked due to this[http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dengeki_DS_announces_new_Pok%C3%A9mon_game]. Anyone agree?[[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 17:38, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:I think we should wait until people actually start doing editing the page. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 17:54, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
::Han is correct. If something goes wrong, then it will be protected, but for now, there is no reason to worry. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 17:57, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Okay thanks Han and Jello. I wasn't sure, though. When something "Big" like this is 'revealed', a lot of people overreact. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:04, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

==Gym Leaders?==
Is it accurate to say this is the first generation for which there is more than one Gym Leader per town within the same game? (Or something less awkwardly phrased.) I noticed it wasn't in the section so.... Am I forgetting someone? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 22:15, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:Tate and Liza from Hoenn. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 22:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::They fight as a unit, though. It's still the first time you could fight one of two or three Gym Leader units depending on your game or your starter. I'm not sure what the best way to phrase it would be. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 14:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
:::[[Sootopolis Gym]]. Leader depends on version. You could also argue [[Fuchsia Gym]] and [[Viridian Gym]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Given, the user who started this chain mentioned more than one leader within the ''same'' game; Tate and Liza were the first of this kind, I do believe. Cilan, Chili and Cress (discounting Iris and Drayden, because, as I've stated, the parameters for this are ''within the same game'') are not trailblazers. [[User:Sadistic Blaziken|Puppy]] of [[User talk:Sadistic Blaziken|Doom]] and [[Poochyena (Pokémon)|Destruction]] 14:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I'm the same user, I don't know why I brought up the version thing the second time. I was mostly wondering about Cilan, Chili, and Cress, but I didn't think about Tate and Liza. Thank you! [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 14:45, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== All Pure Types ==

Someone can add that trivia:
Generation V is the only generation that introduce all pure types with at least one pokémon
Sorry for my bad english! {{unsigned|Shocker}}
:Sorry, but there is a current ban on trivia at the moment so it can not be added. Also please sign all comments with 4 <nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki>. Thank you! [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 21:15, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

== Is there another main game coming up, or at least a side game in 2012? ==

When I started paying attention to the pokemon storylines, usually I saw the games came out as October/English/Sidegame and March/English/Maingame.
Is there any news of a new one? I haven't been paying attention. While it's unlikely, I'm still not losing hope for the R/S/E remakes, is there any word of them? [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 01:44, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

-Forgot how to indent- If this is in the wrong area, sorry, but then I was talking about Generation V games, so I'm sure this is in the right place, but it's currently only about B/W [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 01:48, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Generation V

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==Any References?==
With the impending release of [[Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver]] in America, can someone keep an eye out for any in-game references to Gen. V? Much appreciated. [[User:The Jigglypuff Ninja|The Jigglypuff Ninja]] 01:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:I doubt there are any references to Gen V in HGSS. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::And I ''highly'' doubt that NoA would change the script to add such references in. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 01:09, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Any references will probably be in the new Ranger game. Although the Lock Capsule is probably related to something in Generation V.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 01:11, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It's a Gen IV event item. Likely gonna be for a Gen IV event. Think: what hasn't been released yet? Could be Celebi... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:04, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::At the risk of dragging this out too far (this is quickly becoming something that'd fit on the forums), hackers would have found a Celebi Event in the coding, but no one has. Add in that PokeBeach reports that it seems to have similar transfer data as the Manaphy Egg, and it seems like it's supposed to be transferred out of HGSS into a new game... but I digress. We have no proof either way.--[[User:Purimpopoie|Purimpopoie]] 05:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::The question is... how would it be obtained in the first place? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

==Jumping the Gun a bit?==
Are you guys sure we aren't looking into this a bit too far? All we have for clues are that they announced a new game and a new *something*. Not to mention it says it's gonna be new on the DS. What's to be sure of all of that? For all we know, the new game could be MindCrystal, the silhouette could be a new Forme like the last 5 that were announced. The new game could be a wii sequel to Pokemon XD:Gale of Darkness. If we can't even have Pokemon evolved editing pages when they're in the titles of episodes, why can we just up and announce a new generation? I mean, Pokebeach even said the silhouette isn't Z, what makes anyone certain it's Generation V?[[User:SLE_aman|SLE_]][[User:SLE_aman/talk|aman]] 11:53, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:What does Pokebeach have to do with anything? We know this is Gen V because Masuda SAID it is a new Pokémon. Nothing in this article says that this Pokémon is Z. Because we don't know that. All we know is that it is a new Pokémon. To think otherwise... well, you're in denial big time. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 12:14, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::The original announcement talked about the popularity of Diamond and Pearl before saying this game will be set in a new region with new Pokémon. What more evidence do you need? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:36, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

:::Well, technically, the RPG announcement never explicitly said it would be main series. Even though Generation V Pokémon were hinted, it was never explicitly said that it was the full-fledged generation. It also never explicitly said it would be a pair, either. There are RPGs other than the main series, and they could use a side-series RPG to give Generation V-based cameos to increase anticipation for the full-fledged generation to come at a later date (much like Mystery Dungeon 1 did). Recent announcements pretty much excludes the possibility of it being a Ranger 4, but it's still possible that it could be a Mystery Dungeon 5 or something completely different than anything we've seen before. My [[$1|2¢]]: Odds are the TBA 2010 thing is not for the full-fledged Generation V. Especially if the RPG announcement turns out to be for a single. They've faked us out before, and even if the silhouette does turn out legitimate, it's probably still too early to be thinking full-fledged Generation V. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 18:19, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

::::Actually, I've seen a subb'ed version. Masuda specifically said "We're working on a new generation of pokémon" --[[User:Camzoman]]
::::Yeah. And nowhere in that did it explicitly say that was the TBA 2010 project. They can be working on a new generation of Pokémon, yet still announce and release side games relating mainly to the previous generation. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::Camzoman, where exactly did you see this subbed version? I did not hear Masuda mention a "new generation" anywhere in the video - what he said was "we're developing a brand-new work for Pokemon." However, I don't think there's any denying at this point that it is indeed the new generation. The [http://www.corocoro.tv/pokerelease/index.html Corocoro site] doesn't seem to be implying that this is a side game (not that Game Freak makes side games to begin with). It's a new version(s), with a new setting, new Pokemon, new features... sounds like a new generation to me. :/ [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❄]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|❅]] 19:54, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Japanese doesn't have a plural so the "he only said one" argument doesn't hold. [[n:New Pokémon RPG announced|Just look at the information we have]]. It's obviously Generation V. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 12:12, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Anyway, the CoroCoro scans for Zoroark fit the silhouette from Pokémon Sunday.--[[User:Crazylegs24]]

== Why is this page protected? ==
Why is this page protected? --[[User:?????|Any]] [[User talk:?????|Questions]][[User:?????|?????]] 18:34, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:Think about it.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 18:37, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*</nowiki>cough*Speculation*cough* [[User:CuboneKing|Cu]][[User talk:CuboneKing|bo]][[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|ne]][[Cubone (Pokémon)|King]] 18:41, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Because someone is 100% likely going to put what they think the new Pokémon is, probably saying it's Mightyena's evolution or something, if it isn't protected. That is speculation, something that isn't allowed here in the mainspace. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 22:21, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
::::It is not a good sign when a question like this needs to be asked.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We are the Void 22:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::That against us or against the users who'd make crappy speculative edits? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:22, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's against users who don't realise why it should be protected...--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::...same thing? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:29, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::::Arguable.--[[user:Mtn otter|Mtn otter]] We lie in wait...... 13:13, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::::Would it not be better to make this page "semi-protected" so that only established users can edit? There are plenty of established users who are not administrators, whom I'm sure would want to contribute to such a monumental article. [[User:Kidburla|Kidburla]] 09:55, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
:That wouldn't stop speculation from incurring. If you have any confirmed evidence, ask for it here.--[[User:Clarky13|'''Clarky''']][[User talk:Clarky13|'''13''']] 10:12, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

== Generation V Pokémon Infobox, anyone? ==

I know you'll probably all find this pointless, but I decided to throw together a {{redlink|Template:PokémonInfoboxGenV|temporary infobox}} to use for the Generation V Pokémon articles. It's basically a stripped-down version of the regular infobox that leaves out all the fields for any technical stuff (Egg groups, EXP yield, Gender ratios, etc.) that's unlikely to be revealed until ''Pokémon V'' comes out later this year. I also created a [[User:Quagbert/Z (Pokémon)|user-subpage for the silhouetted mystery Pokémon]] that uses a {{redlink|Template:PokémonInfoboxGenVNoncat|non-categorizing version}} of this template.

''Thanks to {{u|PsychicRider}} for making me aware of the original non-categorizing Pokémon infobox.'' [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 00:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

==Masamitsu Hidaka==

Should [[Masamitsu Hidaka]] be mentioned since that interview kind of confirmed Generation V? --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 05:50, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Unlink ==

Can somebody please unlink "Generation V Pokémon"? It's a redlink right now. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 13:52, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== This just in! ==

Serebii.net just confirmed the first two Fifth Generation Pokémon! Go check it out! :) --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 14:21, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii.net didn't. Leaked scans did. Also, the first one was already revealed. The second one was revealed to be before it in their evolutionary line. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::I think yu're probably going to need to find this information from another source. It seems like the users here have some sort of vendetta against Serebii.--[[User:Skaisdead|Skaisdead]] 14:29, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::It is officially confirmed. It was from a different source. It was from scans. You can see bulbanews's draft. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 14:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::::We don't have any vendetta against Serebii. He just isn't the source in this case - CoroCoro is. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 15:01, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Either way, it's confirmed right? I'd love to update the page, but it's locked. *ahem*
''[[User:Chosen|Chosen]] of [[User talk:Chosen|Mana]]'' [[User:Chosen|-]] 15:15, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

[[File:CoroCoro March 1.jpg|thumb]]

Here's the picture! --[[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 15:19, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Alright, these two Pokémon have been offically confirmed by the leaked CoroCoro scans, but apparently it's still considered too early to put up the Bulbapedia articles for them. Is there some additional form of conformation that we're waiting for?

Anyway, I already have {{p|Zorua}} and {{p|Zoroark}} in my userspace ready to be moved to the main space when we're finally allowed to do so. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:07, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:It's probably due to lack of information. I assume that when its ability/abilities and/or base stats are revealed it will be moved. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 17:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
::IIRC, none of that sort of information (especially base stats) was revealed for the Generation IV Pokémon until the actual release of Diamond/Pearl, or shortly before, though we still had mainspace articles for them anyway. This means it'd be months before we move Zorua/Zoroark into the mainspace. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 17:31, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
:::Actually, according to serebii, they're supposed to be revealed next month. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 18:45, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

== Related Pokémon ==

On the page, it says that it has noteable links with the Riolu and Poochyena families. If it's definitely pure dark type then just ignore this, but couldn't it be an alternative to the Vulpix family? --[[User:Herachu|Herachu]] 22:07, 11 February 2010 (UTC)
: I agree. --[[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|i herd u liek Treakos?]] 00:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC) [[User:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Kimori-]][[User talk:Kimori-Hinoarashi|Hinoarashi]]

== New Pokémon template ==

Based partly on the {{template|DP episode}} template, I've decided to make a [[Template:NewPokémon|new Pokémon template]] to use the next time a new Pokémon is revealed. The code would go like this:
<pre>
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|Jp. Katakana name|Romanized Jp. name|
typen= (number of types) |
type1= (first type) |
type2= (second type) |
pron= (name's pronunciation) |
jspecies= (species in Japanese) |
species= (species, aka "____ Pokémon")
image= (filename of image) |
caption= (caption for said image) |
height-m= (height in meters) |
weight-kg= (weight in kilograms) |
prev= (previous Pokémon's (i.e. pre-evolution) name, Arceus by default) |
prevnum= (previous Pokémon's National Dex #, 493 by default) |
next= (next Pokémon's (i.e. evolved form) name, Bulbasaur by default) |
nextnum= (next Pokémon's National Dex #, 001 by default) |
}}
</pre>
Those who want to use this template for their own userspace should replace "main" in the top line with "user", so that those user sub-pages aren't categorized with the genuine Pokémon articles in the main space. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:04, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Take away part in introduction ==

It says that it is unknown whether the new games will be contemporaneous with any of the other games. I beg to differ. Pokemon Sunday officially stated that Zoroark lives in a "New Area". Or is it just saying that it is unknown whether it will be possible to travel to another region? Spenfen
:Contemporaneous means at the same time. Like how RBY and RSE are at the same time, and so is GSC and DPPt. It has nothing to do with location.--[[User:Goukazaru|Gou]] 18:08, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Japanese Gen. 5 page ==
I have a good link to a japanese page on the Generation 5 games here: [http://www.pokemon.co.jp/info/game/g100215_03.html].--[[User:Christopher Costello|Christopher Costello]] 01:14, 20 February 2010 (UTC)
:That's kinda where we got all of our information. Pokémon.co.jp and the Japanese Pokémon variety shows. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:41, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

== Interwiki link to Pokéteca ==

Now that there's an article about [[:es:Quinta Generación|Generation V on Pokéteca]], can someone add it the interwiki link to it, please? --[[User:Blaziken257|'''Blaz''']][[User talk:Blaziken257|'''iken''']][[Special:Contributions/Blaziken257|'''257''']] 03:19, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

== Two New Generation V Pokémon Scan !!! ==

Hey guys, I got this '''EPIC''' magazine scan featuring two new evolutions of Delibird and Farfetch'd from Generation V and it seems 100% real. {{unsigned|Adyniz}}
:It's not. Notice how I protected the hell out of those names ''before Zoroark and Zorua were revealed''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::Does that mean this scan is a fake one? --♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 07:11, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::The screenshot is obviously fake if you couldn't tell. That should have given it away easily. So yes, it is fake. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 07:29, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::Lol, man I am dumb.
::::'''Source''': http://www.pokemondarkay.net/{{unsigned|Adyniz}}
:::::Looks pretty real. [[User:SpecialK|SpecialK Leiks Lucario and The Celebi Glitch]] 11:00, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
::::::Well it may look real but I've seen things in my days done in Photoshop that looked very real. Can someone translate or is there even any legit source? I don't read Spanish nor Japanese. [[User:.insomniac.|inso]]m[[User_talk:.insomniac.|niac]] 11:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
:::::::Since it's already been confirmed as fake, please take further discussion regarding the scan to the {{tt|forums|Not the Bulbapedia forum.}}. Thanks, - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 11:08, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

== [[Nintendo 3DS]] ==

It's very likely that these new games will be on the 3DS, so can someone remove the statement saying that the games ''will'' be released on the regular DS?--'''[[User:Immewnity|''immewnity'']][[User talk:Immewnity|the]][[Special:Contributions/Immewnity|mew]]''' 00:22, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:[[Generation II]] ahoy. The press release said DS. Not 3DS. 3DS comes out NEXT YEAR. These come out THIS YEAR. Nintendo's not ''stupid''. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
::It could be released before Christmas in Japan so there is the potential for the game to be on 3DS. But that's purely guesswork at the moment and it could still be a DS game even if the 3DS is implemented so we go with the only source on the matter - the original announcement which said it will be on the DS. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 11:27, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Or, as in Generation II, the games could be programmed with 3DS enhancements, yet still be playable on the DS. Nonetheless, until something official states that they will utilize the 3DS, any mention of it is speculation at best. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:23, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
:::::Technically, TTEchidna, the page that announced the 3DS stated that it would be released sometime between now and next April, so that doesn't mean next year.
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 23:50, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== Current Length ==

The days have weird numbers, can an administrator fix them? Thanks. [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 21:23, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
:They're automatically calculated by the template... —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:38, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
::But the games haven't been released yet. I think it's too early to say that Generation V has started. [[User:Fudgenuggets|Fudgenuggets]] 22:16, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
:::It hasn't started yet. It starts in 0.8 days according to those numbers. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 03:22, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
::::It's because it's calculated weirdly. Once we have a ''date'', we'll put that in, and it'll look right. Until then, DECIMALLLLLLLLLL '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:34, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

== Uploaded player sprite ==

[[File:GenV.player.front.png‎]] [[File:GenV.player.side.png‎]]

I got the player sprite and uploaded it to the archives... I guess if someone can find a place for it on the article, well, there it is!

Actually, now that I see them side-by-side, it looks like the front-facing sprite on the left is the male character while the right-facing sprite on the right is the female character. Any ideas? - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 02:01, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
:1) This is the article for Gen V in general, not just Black and White.
:2) Do we have the overworld sprites from the past games anywhere? The characters themselves will get articles eventually but we will hopefully have Sugimori artwork released around the time that happens. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 23:09, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
::We do, but... mostly fronts. And those are animated. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:02, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
:::Well, I'm sure there's a home for those sprites... right? :) - [[User:Nick15|Nick15]] 06:58, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

== About the day count... ==

You should set it to zero, I'm not sure we'll have Pokémon B&W in -0.840277777778 days. --[[User:Masatoshi|Masatoshi]] 12:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:But we all wish we did... [[User:Thermorules123|Thermorules123]] 11:32, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
::You mean you didn't get your game 0.840277777778 days ago? Never mind, I hacked the template to make it say better stuff. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:10, 2 May 2010 (UTC)
:::As long as you didn't break the template on the other four generations. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
::::I'm fairly certain I didn't. Fixed it through an optional extra parameter. Seeing as the parameter doesn't exist on the other four pages, nothing should have broken. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 05:19, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

== Gen 4 compatability ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this has been confirmed? (The upcoming Flare Blitz Entei and co can do something in gen 5) {{unsigned|Deuxhero}}
:makes sense, but since it's not officially confirmed, {{tt|we can't include it.|That's Bulbapedia's standard.}} [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 12:44, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::What do you mean, it hasn't been officially confirmed? It's been confirmed that the shiny legendary gerbils unlock something in BW, meaning that they are transferable to aforementioned games. Serebii.net reported on this last month. Oh wait, let me guess- Serebii.net isn't what you consider a reliable source despite only being wrong about stuff they explicitly said they weren't sure about in the first place. We also didn't add all the english names for all the HGSS stuff until it came out and proved him right. When are you guys gonna swallow your pride and admit that Serebii.net is probably the most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 14:01, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::''The most reliable source of Pokémon information in the internet?'', {{tt|Hahahaha, I don't think so|I don't want to go off-topic otherwise it will be long debate}}. Anyway, wait for an official announcement before doing/adding anything. ♫♪[[User:Adyniz|'''Ady''']][[User talk:Adyniz|'''Niz''']]♪♫ 14:16, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
::::If I recall though it was indeed confirmed by an official source that the legendary beasts could unlock something in BW... apparently someone got their hands on the pamphlet that you get for pre-ordering the ticket and it states that the beasts unlock stuff in BW. Not sure if there's a scan of it anywhere though, I would refrain from putting it on the page if it's just his personal speculation again. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 15:50, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::If it is added, be sure not to assume HOW the games are compatible; it's possible they could unlock something through a method other than trading or transferring. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 14:22, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::Just as a clarification, an official site has yet to specifically state "generation 4 can trade in some way with generation 5". The pamphlet in question can be seen in entirety [http://www.pokemon-movie.jp/image/tickets/print/guide.pdf here]. On page 3 there is a small section that talks about Pokemon Black/White and the last sentence of that section mentions that the 3 have a secret. This was taken to mean that the 3 unlock something in B/W obviously because it is mentioned inside the B/W section and therefore probably are able to be traded to Gen 5 in some way. Anyways, that was the logic behind "Gen 4 and 5 compatibility confirmed." Whether that is a good enough reason to be added on here or not, I don't know :p ([[User:Yaminokame|Yaminokame]] 16:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC))
:::::::There's ''also'' that little issue of them being ON THE DS. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:54, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
I get the concept of compatability with Gen4 but whats going to happen to the Pokedex when you get aGen5 Pokemon on a Gen4 game?([[User: Munchy Lax]] 20:33,3 June 2010 (EST)
:Well you obviously won't be able to take anything that wasn't in Gen IV back to a gen IV game. If it's a direct trade then it'll be like the time capsule in generation II. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:44, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Starters ==

Here's the image from Pokémon Sunday: [[User:Dialgafan1|Dialgafan1]] 01:49, 9 May 2010 (UTC) [[File:PokéSun May09 10.png|thumb|right]]

I can guess that the Grass Type is a Bird of Parodise Pokemon, as in the plant 'Bird of Parodise,' and also they had already done Bird based starters for [[Torchic|Fire]] and [[Piplup|Water]], and not yet Grass. If this could be true when revealed, then it will certainly complete the Bird Starters just like the Lizard Starters of [[Treeko|Grass]],[[Charmander|Fire]] and [[Totodile|Water]].
The Fire Type could may as well be a piglet for it's curley tail, and the Water Type could be another Amphibian Pokemon like [[Mudkip]]. These are just guesses, but what do you think? [[User:Cynthia149]] 17:07, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think that you need to take your speculation to the forums. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 16:35, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Just for the heck of it, I have a [[User:Quagbert/No.494 (Pokémon)|draft article for the Grass starter]], which I created using the template I mentioned above. I also have startup code to create the Fire and Water starters' articles using this same template, if anyone's interested:
<pre>
Fire Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Fire
|image=
|art=|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(grass starter)|next=water starter)}}

Water Starter:
{{subst:NewPokémon|main|日本語名|JP Name
|species=
|typen=1|type1=Water
|image=
|art=|caption=Scan from [[CoroCoro]]
|height-m=
|weight-kg=
|prev=(fire starter)|next=Zorua}}
</pre>
[[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 01:19, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

For the curious, from left to right its the Grass-type, the Fire-type, and the Water-type. [http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/12/mystery_pokemon_detailed/ Here]. Still no names or pics other though. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 14:29, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:There's this great site called Bulbanews that has already reported that information - and with pictures, too! [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 16:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Excuuuuse me for not noticing. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 18:07, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== "Both are canine Pokémon," ==

By which the article presumably means ''vulpine''; canine refers to dogs but Zoroa and Zoroark are/will be fox Pokémon. [[User:Smithers888|Smithers888]] 04:10, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
:Foxes are canine. Ish. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canidae - Canini and Vulpini are separate members of Canidae --[[User:Grinnz|Grinnz]] 18:59, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::: I had something but might as well just ask. Aren't dogs actually Lupine, if we're going Vulpine for foxes.--[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:05, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

isnt lupine for wolves Iirc ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:27, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
: Dogs are in the same family as wolves. Canis Lupus, the dog is only further distinguished by Canis Lupis familiaris. But even still Canine could refer to Canidae which is what Foxes/Dogs/wolves are in. The only difference is Foxes are further classified as "Vulpine" and if we follow suit, dogs/wolves would be Lupine not Canine. And it did say some foxes (while not true foxes) could still be under the Canis Genus if that's where the Canine name comes from. But again while Canine might refer to dogs specifically, isn't that more of a general consensus, rather than a scientific consensus? I'm going scientific here, if people want to be so correct with the whole Vulpine/Canine argument. -[[User:Dman dustin|Dman dustin]] 19:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Who cares, really. That section'll be gone by the end of the year. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:56, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== Older PCs ==

[http://www.andriasang.com/e/blog/2010/05/12/mystery_pokemon_detailed/ Apparently], artwork shown in Coro Coro comics indicates that the Player characters aren't kids like previous generations, but are a bit older and appear to be young adults. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 14:31, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== well heres the pics ==

I have a corocoro scan of the player characters.....

[[File:User373931 pic151409 1273683476.png|thumb|right|here they are]]
([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 18:17, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:The scan is from Pokebeach. I think we'd prefer it if it was your own scan. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jel]][[User Talk:Jello|lo]] 18:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Well, the beach is our buddy, too. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:24, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokémon? ==

I found this online. It has the Pokémon Sunday picture in the corner. Does anybody know if this is the real deal or a scam?
http://nd03.blog.cz/294/620/14fe8a949a_61909769_o2.jpg
[[User:DarthMartian7|DarthMartian7]] 19:19, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

bleh...looks fake ([[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 19:25, 12 May 2010 (UTC))
:Old and fake. (btw: the text on the bottom says "the Pokemon that grasps the key to the Ruler of Illusions: Z!") [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 19:28, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
::Fail. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 19:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== New Pokémon (CoroCoro scan) ==

Came here to upload the scan, but apparently someone else did but didn't do anything with it. Here it is: [[File:Corocoro7.jpg|right|thumb]]
This info should probably be put into the main article. [[User:Marluxia.Kyoshu|Marluxia.Kyoshu]] 20:36, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's been used on News. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 20:42, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

== More info! ==

*Zorua has the Illusion ability.
*Mijumaru is 0.5m tall and weighs 5.9kg. It also has the Torrent ability.
*Tsutaaja is 0.6m tall and weighs 8.1kg. It also has the Overgrow ability.
*Pokabu is 0.6m tall and weighs 9.9kg. It also has the Blaze ability.
These should be added to the Pokémon articles--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 10:05, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== On the use of unconfirmed information ==

<strike>We seem to have taken a whole bunch of unconfirmed information as fact here, and as it's generally not Bulbapedia policy to do so, it somewhat bothers me.

For the record, here is a list of information, much of which has been added to Bulbapedia, that I have not seen in the CoroCoro pages or any other official source (though if you have official sources with this that I have missed, please, by all means, link me):
*The name "Tsutaaja," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Grass-type
*The name "Pokabu," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Fire-type
*The name "Mijumaru," as well as all info on it beyond the fact that it is at least partly Water-type
*"Hiun City"
*Zoroark's ability, "Illusion"
*Those two new attacks whose names I can't be bothered to remember right now (Trickery and Claw Sharpen or something?)
*The method by which to obtain Zoroark
I have seen ''none'' of this come from official sources, only from fansites, blogs, and forums. (Hell, I could have sworn that I saw some of this in a 2ch speculation thread back in March.) The justification to their validity seems to be that the random anonymous person who posted this information on 2ch was right about other information before it was leaked, so he must be right now - but that reasoning hasn't been enough in past cases, has it?

I really wish we had kept the above-mentioned facts off of Bulbapedia until they were confirmed, but here they are. I personally think they should be removed (and the starters' pages moved into TTE's userspace or something) until they are confirmed, but a reasonable compromise, I think, would be to tag all articles that mention this information with an "unconfirmed" tag of some sort (I seem to remember a template for one, though I can't find it now...).

Any thoughts?</strike> [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:23, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:They're all from CoroCoro. It's pretty undeniable. [[User:Reign|Reign]] 18:40, 13 May 2010 (UTC)
:Scratch that, I found the CoroCoro scans that apparently no one cared to share which confirmed all of this. [[User:Umeko|梅子]][[User talk:Umeko|❀]][[Special:Contributions/Umeko|✿]] 18:42, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Region ==

i would just like to say that, because of the set-up of the page, it looks like one or the regions in Gen. V is Starters. I would fix it myself, but I'm not an Admin. could an admin please change it show it looks like this

<nowiki>
==Regions==
===Isshu===
==Starters==</nowiki>

instead of this

<nowiki>
==Regions==
===Isshu===
===Starters===</nowiki> thank-you [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 19:54, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
:If you take a look at the table of contents, you'll see that "Starter Pokémon" is a lower heading than "Isshu", as it should be, to indicate that those are the Starter Pokémon of Isshu. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:51, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
::i guess that's true. the actual part of the article is what made me confused. But looking at the Table of Contents, it is set up correctly.[[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 23:42, 24 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Never too early to have the article set up like the rest. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

==Legendary Pokémon==
I saw two new Pokémon looks like the legendaries at the Pokémon english official site (names+artworks). Their names are Reshiram and Zekrom. I don't know if these informations are useful but... -[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
:Already a page on Bulbanews. Also, since it's breaking news, admins, may not have had time to add it in. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:03, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:If anyone's interested, I have userspace draft articles for [[User:Quagbert/Reshiram|Reshiram]] and [[User:Quagbert/Zekrom|Zekrom]]. I just made them as draft articles since I'm not sure if it's appropriate yet to put them in the mainspace, but when it is, any admin is free to move them (or give me the OK to do so). [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 20:40, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
:I may as well mention that {{user|Jello}} also has draft articles as well: [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Reshiram (Pokémon)|Reshiram]], [[User:Jello/Sandbox/Zekrom (Pokémon)|Zekrom]] [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 20:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC)
::Hi, I'm new here, but I just wanted to add a little bit of information about the names, if it hasn't been done already. In Reshiram's name, the shiramu (シラム) comes from [http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E7%99%BD%E3%82%80&stype=0&dtype=0 shiramu (白む)] which means "turning white" or "growing light". In Zekrom's name, the kuromu (クロム) comes from [http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=%E9%BB%92%E3%82%80&stype=0&dtype=0 kuromu (黒む)] which means "turning black" or "tinged with darkness". They're used especially with regards to the sky, for example, "the sky grows light at dawn" or "the sky is tinged with darkness at night". Hope that helps a little. [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:31, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, and just speculating, but the Re- and Ze- could come from rei (レイ) and zero (ゼロ), two pronunciations of rei (零), which obviously means "zero". [[User:AmaranthSparrow|AmaranthSparrow]] 01:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::How come nobody's yet made the articles for Reshiram and Zekrom yet? And yet people who DO create articles at strange names to get around it, they just get deleted. Why not just move them to the proper names? - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Missingno. Master|Missingno. Master]] ([[User talk:Missingno. Master|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Missingno._Master|contribs]])'' 01:50, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:::::We're not satisfied with them yet. And considering tomorrow's PSunday, we'll probably get more than enough data. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:51, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
::::::We need to put informations of the two legendaries fast, my friends are asking more things about them but I just have the basic. '''[[User:Blaze of Shadow|Blaze of Shadow]]
:::::::We can't get more info yet Blaze, tell your friends to wait.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 04:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
we dont even know their secondary or primary types, we only know that they are part dragon type, so not even the most basic info we have, the article would be only a picture with nothing else.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 07:39, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
:That is all we knew about Zoroark when he was first revealed. Type and picture. Everything else was blank. [[User:Myzou|Myzou]] 08:46, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
::He was also the first Gen. V Pokémon revealed, which is why he was such a big deal. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 14:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Five Known Pokemon? ==

The article says that five Generation V Pokemon are known, but with the announcement yesterday, seven are known. It even mentions Reshiram and Zekrom in the article. Can an admin make the edit?--[[User:Celebi96|Celebi96]] 03:52, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
:And the Zekrom page is exist. Please fix this too. -[[User:Caciulacdlac|Caciulacdlac]]
::Yeah, perhaps semi-protection would be smarter here if the admins can't afford to be on top of this at all times. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 15:46, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:::The template uses the number of pages to find how many are new. After that, you have to purge the content by pressing the clock by your username to make it show seven. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 15:49, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::<s>I see. So the reason it reads five instead of seven is that there are no articles for Zekrom and Reshiram, and the reason there are no articles for them is because they are create-protected. The admins couldn't just create the pages and protect them? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 15:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC</s>
:::::Didn't realize they'd been created. I've purged the content, but it still reads five. Maybe the categories haven't been added to the new legendaries' articles? [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 16:01, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
::::::It's likely because of your cache, maybe? The generation infobox reads new Pokemon as the amount of articles in [[:Category:Generation V Pokémon]], it doesn't need to be manually updated. We apologize for any inconvenience if we don't have new Pokemon articles up within the day they're revealed- we'd like to make sure that our articles aren't sloppily put together and include all the known info... which can be difficult at times and make us go "Hm, is one line of text and a mostly-unfilled infobox really worth an article?". Not the point, I know, but I'd just like to point that out. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 17:12, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
No, that's not it at all. I've taken a look at the source code, and it actually reads "Currently, five Generation V Pokémon are known." No template or anything. This needs to be changed. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 19:58, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
:OH! You're talking about the infobox! We've been talking about the specific text in the article, under the "Currently known Pokémon" section. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 20:00, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

==The Order==

Someone have thinged what is the right order of Zoroa,Zoroark,Reshiram and Zekram? when the numbers be show we need to make the right order. [[User:Blaze of Shadow]] 23:30, 1 June 2010
:Please make more sense.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 05:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
::We don't know what numbers they are because we don't know how high the regional dex is going to go. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:56, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
:::I don't think Blaze is talking about specific dex numbers, just general placement, i.e. we can assume that Zekrom and Reshiram will be near the end of the dex, but we can't confirm anything right now. [[User:Shady|'''Shady]] got [[Image:PokémonDollar.png]][[User talk:Shady|10,000]] for [[Special:Contributions/Shady|winning]]''' 14:33, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

==July 2010 New Pokémon==
I just whipped a [[User:Quagbert/Chiraamii (Pokémon)|draft article for Chirāmī]] based on the scans that just leaked out. I only did Chirāmī since that's the only one we have a decent amount of clear info on. Perhaps in the future we may want to take any more new Gen V Pokémon discussion {{tt|over here|Category talk:Generation V Pokémon}} and leave this talk page for other Gen V stuff, though that just my suggestion. [[User:Quagbert|Quagbert]] 12:05, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

== Hiragana vs. Kanji ==

"''Kanji are now used in game menus and text, in addition to the hiragana and katakana used in the previous four generations.''" >> Not saying that this statement is false but could someone point me to a known instance of the games where kanji is used more prominently? I know that it has been used for some things already since Gen I, like the prices in the Japanese versions using the kanji for yen, but this seems to refer to a greater use of the kanji throughout the dialogues... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 17:45, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:If I recall correctly, Colo/XD also uses kanji... I think PBR and Stadium ''miiight'', but I'm not sure. There's also kanji in the TCG GB games. I might be missing a few...
:However, this is the first time that a main series handheld game has used kanji in dialogue- the only screenshot I can recall seeing it though was the intro with [http://www.pokemon-sp.jp/series/bw/#/characters/characters02.html Prof Araragi and Chirami]. It's assumed to be a toggle of sorts seeing as there's other dialogue screenshots with just kana. ▫▫'''[[User:Tina|ティナ]]'''[[User talk:Tina|♫]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|★]] 17:55, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
::I was referring specifically to BW, though, but thanks for the info you provided. xD Well, it does really seem to be an optional element, since I didn't notice kanji in any of the footage before, not even that one of Prof. Araragi and Chiramii... [[User:Pokemon lover|ポケモン]][[User talk:Pokemon lover|あいこうか]] 18:26, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Yes, according to the new Iwata Asks[http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ds/interview/irbj/vol1/index.html#list] there is going to be both a hiragana mode and a kanji mode. I suggest changing "''Kanji are now used in game menus and text, in addition to the hiragana and katakana used in the previous four generations.''" to something like "''Aside from the usual game menus and text in {{wp|hiragana}} and {{wp|katakana}}, there is now also the option of a {{wp|kanji}} mode. While hiragana and katakana made the Pokémon series accessible to elementary school kids, the optional texts mixed with kanji now also make the games easier to pick up for older teens and adults.''" As opposed to the present version, this makes clear that there is the '''option''' of kanji, and explains the effects of the new kanji mode to those unknown to the Japanese writing system. --[[User:BlackySully|BlackySully]] 12:46, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

== Named after colors ==

Trivia mentions that black and white are colors, technically they're not colors. I think it should be reworded to say that the titles were the first since Generation I (or II, since gold and silver can be colors) to not be named after a gemstone or a mineral. [[User:Mudkipchan|Mudkipchan]] 18:41, 4 July 2010 (UTC)
:Technically, they '''are''' colors. Technically, they are not hues - they are shades. This terminology is used in most artistic endeavors, except lighting, where white and black are the presence or absence of light, but that's neither here nor there. These are colors. However, I agree that silver and gold are also colors, but I think it's pretty clear what was meant in the article. [[User:Jazzmoth|Jazzmoth]] 14:23, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

== Pokemon currently known ==

By my latest tally, including the pokemon recently released, their are now about 20 with names and around 3 more that still remain unnamed, should anyone make an edit of this. {{unsigned|InferSizMamoMagne}}
:There are fourteen named Pokémon; these are the ones that are counted. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 06:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

i want to add koromori. but it wont let me [[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 19:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:The page name has been protected because we know too little about the subject. You can quit spamming pages now, please. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 19:48, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

== The Picture ==

I'm just wondering if instead of the logos of Black and White getting put as the picture, I think that someone should just put the Japanese boxart pictures on.-- [[User:lilkaykaygal|lilkaykaygal]] 7:34, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:The boxart is on the {{game|Black and White|s}} article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 21:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== advances in gameplay ==
i need to add that you can play triple battles in pokemon black and white. [[User:ArceusLX|arceusLX leveled up!]] 19:37, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
:Or someone else could add it when we know more about it. Why do ''you'' need to add it?--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:38, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, nevermind, someone already put it in.--[[User:Pokelova|''Poké'']][[User talk:Pokelova|lova!]] 01:40, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Oh, and please fix the triple battles link - it points to ''Double_battle#Triple_battle'' as of now, while the correct would be ''Double_battle#Triple_battle'''s''''' --'''HTMLCODER.exe@bulbapedia$_ [[User:HTMLCODER.exe|/usr]][[Special:Contributions/HTMLCODER.exe|/bin]][[User_talk:HTMLCODER.exe|/apache2]] -k restart''' 11:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Starter Evos ==

I MIGHT have found the final evolutions of the starters, but they are probably fake.

Here they are: File:GenVStarterEvos.png

[[User:Mewtwo777|I am Darth Mewtwo... Fear me, and my team made entirely of Mewtwo!!!]] 17:14, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
:They're fake. (and the picture has been deleted on the Archives) <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 03:18, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

== NGamer - 157? ==

In the most recent issue of NGamer magazine UK, they said there would be 157 new Pokémon in B/W. I don't know where they could have gotten that possible fact from, but it ought to be looked into, in the event that they are telling the truth. However, NGamer have been known to put rumors down as fact, and I would predict this is false. [[User:Torngentleman2|MAMOSWINEPwnz! (Torngentleman2)]] 18:37, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
: It is a rumor that's been circulating for a while, but there hasn't been any actual evidence I'm yet aware of. --[[User:HeroicJay|HeroicJay]] 18:59, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

==season==
since seasons were confirmed to be in gen V could someone add that to this generations changes?[[User:Badwolf1234|Badwolf1234]] 20:53, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

== Colours ==

Wow, this is totally random and pointless, but I wanted to point out that the thing about these being the first games named after colours since G1 is inaccurate. All the games have been based off of colours, however, those colours also tend to be other things (metals and gems, etc.). For example, silver is a colour, gold is a colour, ruby is bright red, as it's counterparts sapphire and emerald to blue and green respectively, and so forth. I just think that it's kinda pointless to put that information int he trivia when it's not exactly true. But feel free to debate with me, I'm open for people trying to change my mind. :D

[[User:Makuta Zero|Makuta Zero]] 06:21, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

== Advances in Gameplay ==

I think that it should include that seasons will be in the games. --[[User:Mew is the Original One|Mew is the Original One]] 15:35, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

== Monochrome generation? ==

its not monochrome monochrome is 1 color black and white is already 2 it should be called the shade generation since they already said third would be grey {{Unsigned|Ares5566}}
:I'd like to inform you of a few things
:1. Sign your comments. ALWAYS

:2. "Pokémon Gre(a)y" was never confirmed

:3. Monochrome doesn't mean 1 color. It means shades of 1 color. so Monochrome and Shade are the exact same thing. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 02:49, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

::Just how Generation III was the Advanced Gen, why isnt this the Rebirth Gen? That is what is really is. They are having fresh new starts. Also, monochrome only applies to three games. Speculation shows that we have high chances of getting an Emerald remake (ranberth at youtbue has evidenece). In 2012, 10 anivesity; they like to remake at that time. Also, im reseaching that we might get more Gen I remakes due to 15th anivesrity. The biggest hint is that every region has included Kanto.Here is my guess...

::*2011-Black and White
::*2012-Grey
::*2012-Emerald remake
::*2013-Gen I remakes
::(they will more spaced out)
::So, with that said, i want to vote on a name! --[[User:Shaymin Master426|Shaymin Master426]] 06:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Monochrome is accurate for now. If there are Hoenn remakes, the name can be changed. It's called what fans have chosen, and for now it's monochrome. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 06:17, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Needs Updated ==

This page is outdated. It needs to get updated with the latest info that has since been confirmed by last month's CoroCoro, and reconfirmed by both Pokemon Sunday & the official Site.
[[User:Shinji-San|Shinji-San]] 01:06, 24 August 2010 (UTC)Shinji-San

== The fan name is wrong ==

The page says they call it the "monochrome generation".I am an Art Major at Lord Fairfax Community College,and that name makes no sense.Monochrome "only 1 color".There are 2 versions,and also black and white are not colors.They are refered to as neutrals in art(which is the only side that has an argument in color).Also,black is the abscense of color,and white is the combination of all percieved color.That name is completely inaccurate,and should be removed from the article because it does not really relate. {{unsigned|Slyver333}}
:According to Wikipedia's article on {{wp|Monochrome}}, "For an image, the term monochrome is usually taken to mean the same as black-and-white or, more likely, grayscale..." Therefore monochrome is not incorrect here. Also, if it's here, it probably means it was used on some Japanese fansite--just because it's not "right" in art, doesn't mean it can't be used as a fan term. --[[User:Phantomjunkie|Phantom]]♫[[User talk:Phantomjunkie|Junkie]] 02:24, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
::Plus, black and white ARE colors - they aren't hues, but they are colors. In art terms, they are technically called shades and tints, respectively. Black is a shade of any color, and white is a tint of any color. As long as you're not talking about light, that makes them both colors. (When discussing colors of light, it is acceptable to refer to white as a combination of all frequencies, and black as the absence of all frequencies, but we're not in optics.) I don't know what you're art teachers are telling you, Slyver, but I'd double check your facts before trying to correct people. Different schools of thought use different terminology, and although I've never heard of the terms you use, I know the ones I learned are widely accepted. Long story short, monochrome is an acceptable term for this generation. (Monochrome can also refer to any range of shades, tints, and tones that have a single hue as their base.) [[User:Jazzmoth|ʝɑzzmotɦ]] [[User talk:Jazzmoth|❝❞]][[Special:Contributions/Jazzmoth|✎]] 21:38, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

== Number of new pokes. ==

One of the new commericals claimed over 100 new pokes ([http://pokebeach.com/2010/08/black-white-wii-commercials-reveal-many-new-scenes Pokebeach says so anyways]) would be introduced. Should we change the "Pokémon" field in the template to reflect that? Also the info on communications with gen 4 is outdated. --[[User:Deuxhero|Deuxhero]] 01:06, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

== Anthing for Trivia? ==

1.I think that with the information we have so far, we should be able to come up with some stuff for the section, at least for when it becomes editable to regular users. I noticed that this is the first Generation to not have a game where you (presumably) can't go to the Kanto region (as in Generation III, there are the Gen. I remakes, Generation IV has HeartGold and SoulSilver, where you can visit Kanto after beating the Elite Four).

2. I was wondering if anyone thinks they may make a Ruby/Sapphire remake, because Gen. III wasn't that much less advanced in terms of graphics and mechanics, so making a remake would be somewhat pointless, as you could just as easily buy the original, and considering they would have to put a lot of work into making a game that would be more or less the same in most ways(you can tell the added material in LG/FR and HG/SS is obviously needed or at least very different).

3. The new Japanese commercials for Black & White reveal another new team (as expected) and what looks like some sort of conversation thing where you get an up close look who you're talking to. Any comments?

Please respond if you would like. --[[User:BeeBwakka|BeeBwakka]] 23:43, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
:# Trivia sections aren't things that need to be filled. No-one should ever be goining around looking at a page and trying to add trivia just because the trivia section is short.
:# Talk pages aren't for general discussion. RS remake talk should be taken to {{bmgf|56930|this thread on the forums}}.
:# Can you get pictures of the commercials? It would help for confirming details. <sc>[[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]]</sc> [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 00:16, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
:::It's far too early to say that anything won't happen in the next four years. Yes, the chances of revisiting Kanto are less likely this time around but anything could happen in the games after BW, especially with the 3DS (which any RS remakes would be on). --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 01:17, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I just joined so I'm new to this stuff. --[[User:BeeBwakka|BeeBwakka]] 12:29, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

== Trivia? ==

Akinator ([http://www.akinator.com here]), is a website where Akinator (the character) tries to guess any character you're thinking of (by yes-no-maybe questions). It (the site) may be a little too small to be notable (though mijumaru alone has already been tried over 140 times) but it *already* has a question "Is your character from the fifth generation of Pokemon". [[User:Kanjo|Kanjo]] 20:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think it would be trivia, unless it was a big site. If it should be, it should be noted that they misspelled Pokémon. [[User:Turtwig A|Turtwig's]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A-B-Cs]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 20:37, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
::Oh god, not that thing...damn genie.. I don't think it would be trivia either...[[User:Ataro|Ataro]] 20:42, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

== Generation Length ==

Does anyone mind correcting the generation length? It says "-5 days". --[[User:MCRMY119|-DH]] 21:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
:Five days until, at that time. Now it says -1, because it's released on Saturday, also known as, you know... tomorrow. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:33, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

== All Pokemon Revealed. ==

http://www.serebii.net/blackwhite/pokemon.shtml[[User:Umitencho|Umitencho]] 19:17, 16 September 2010 (UTC)
:Serebii's not an official source. --[[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 19:24, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

== Gen V framerate ==

Shall we mention it? (For anyone curious: 30 overworld, 60 battles, title screen, 2D menus, 15 opening) [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 15:18, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

== Do you want a title screen pic like all the generations before it? ==

Just asking. If needed, I'll produce these. [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 13:31, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
:Yeeeahh. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 09:52, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
::Feel free to pick the one which's better. (http://s1096.photobucket.com/albums/g329/Jarooda/Bulbapedia%20stuff/) (That's my Photobucket!) [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 12:10, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh, you're Jarooda? Did not know. Um, the first and the fourth are good. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 12:14, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::::What should I name them in Bulbagarden Archives? [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 12:35, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::The second and the third actually have smoother edges, but this your call, Trom. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:38, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
::::::Did it. What do you guys think? [[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 01:50, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
:::::I guess they do, but I liked the dragons' poses better in the first and fourth :/ —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 10:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

== Useful source? ==

I accidentally came across this website which appears to reveal the trademarked romanji of the 646 'official' Pokémon as of now, as well as some insight on to their name origins. Is this official? --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 09:36, 8 November 2010 (UTC) [http://park3.wakwak.com/~pokepale/zukan/no/1_1_25.htm]
:It's a fan site I think, like it says on the main page "This site is Japanese Pokemon Fan Site.". [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 09:41, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
::Thanks. --[[User:Chickasaurus|Chickasaurus]] 09:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

== Why some classics arent in the regionnal dex ==

some classics (magicarp, pikachu, geodude, abra, etc.) dont appear in isshu. why?

I think thats because they are far away from kanto/jotho/hoenn/sinnoh. maybe the pokemons of gen5 will be the standards for 3 other gens. {{unsigned|Grhaal0}}
:Game Freak has already stated that the reason old Pokémon aren't included is to give all players a fresh, new experience when playing the games. Your suggestion is speculation, which is rarely allowed and certainly doesn't take precedence over [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Wordofgod word of god]. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 15:28, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
::That brings up the question of "Why did they include old Pokemon at all". Surely a new game, set supposedly in a place half the globe away from previous games wouldn't have all these old Pokemon found in it.--[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 16:22, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
:::I've already explained to you Mackinz, the real world has some species which live in far away places (see rats, mosquitoes, etc.). I don't mean to offend, but if you're trying to bring up another debate over Isshu's basis/motif, this isn't the place. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] 21:27, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
::::Not trying to start a debate. Just can't figure out for the life of me why Paras would be in New York. --[[User:Mackinz|Mackinz of SoulSilver]] 20:12, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
:::::Guys this disscussion needs to go to the forums. Stop cluttering the talk page. Please and Thank you [[User:Pokemaster97|Pokemaster97]] 20:16, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
== New Catchable Pokémon from Old Generations==
You know, a lot of Pokémon in these games, although from previous generations, is the first time they are catchable in the wild (without hacks, of course), like Metagross, Kingdra, Mamoswine, Crobat, etc. Is that worth noting? [[User:TFSpock|TFSpock]] 00:47, 4 December 2010 (UTC)TFSpock

== Wrong Pokémon Count ==
I find this page is within the category page of Generation V Pokémon. I post here, though, since this affects the number of new Pokémon in the summary of Generation V (the one that has the screenshot, main games, region introduced, etc).
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:SLE_aman/fanhax
- [[User:Chaotic iak|Chaotic iak]] 05:26, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
:That page was using templates which categorise. I've replaced them with ones that don't categorise or replaced them with the relevant hardcode and removed the categories. [[User:Werdnae|Werdnae]] [[User talk:Werdnae|(talk)]] 05:49, 7 December 2010 (UTC)

== Live Caster ==

Can anyone explain what it is? It's not in the article. --[[User:BeeBwakka|Bee § Bwakka♂]] ''([[User talk:BeeBwakka|meh talk]])'' 02:24, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
:Bulbapedia has [[Live Caster|a separate article for it]]. The basic information about it can be found there. --[[User:RiverAura|River]][[User_Talk:RiverAura|Aura]] 20:36, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

==Alterations from Generation IV==
Shouldn't the removal of Curse be moved from the "Trivia" section to the "Alterations from Gen IV" section? [[User:U2kheim|U2kheim]] 20:12, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:Wait a sec, what? Did you mean, the ???-type? Also, is it neccessary? --[[User:Turtwig Lover|Turtwig Lover]] 13:33, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
::Yes because it is an official elemental type. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Thematic Motif? ==

When will the thematic motif for this generation be written? --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 22:18, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:Because, I'm assuming they're added after the release of the next generation. --[[User:Landfish7|'''Land''']][[User talk:Landfish7|'''fish7''']]''' 01:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::They were all added by one user quite recently. It's a new thing; no one's written the Gen V one yet. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 07:04, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

== Timescale between generations ==

i know there isn't an official timescale between BW and HGSS/DPPt (as HGSS/DPPt is 3 years ahead of FRLG and Ruby/Sapphire) but the page states that there must be a significant difference because the Rocket grunt who was seen in HGSS now has a son, however, Cynthia (DPPt) and Looker (Pt) are NPC's in Black and White too and don't appear to have aged much or at all (in comparison to Misty between FRLG and HGSS), so could it be possible that the grunt already had a son who grew up to be a Schoolboy trainer in a timespace of less than 3 years or slightly more? couldn't this mean that the time between HGSS and BW could be shorter than implied on the page? [[User:Azure42|Azure42]] 15:32, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:Cynthia and Looker are much older, so they age much less. The older Gym leaders from FRLG didn't change that much in HGSS. Misty was going through puberty, so her aging would be much clearer. Regardless, I believe that that Rocket Grunt said that he met his wife soon after returning home, meaning that his son was not born in HGSS. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:39, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::It's highly likely to be 11 years - GSC was three years after RGB, RGB were released in 1996, with GS exactly three years later. BW were released 11 years after GS, and since RS happens at the same time as RGB and DP happens at the same time as GS, for the remakes' sake. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:04, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Yes but Caitin is already young in Platinum-HGSS. Maybe she is in her 20s or her early 30s. Yet, in Black and White she still appears to be young (maybe in her late 30s). So an eleven year gap seems to be too big.
::::People can't have a very similar appearance for years. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 17:37, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::You'd be surprised how little some people change over the years. My brother, for instance, has hardly changed in appearance in nearly 15 years. And let's not forget our famous [[Ash Ketchum|in-universe]] example.
:::::In regards to Caitlin, she honestly looks a lot younger than 20 in PtHGSS. Her exact age, however, is debatable. --'''[[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]]''' ''[[User talk:Darkeiya|talk to me!]]'' 10:40, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

== Kanto ==

why's it say this is the only Generation not to include Kanto? wouldn't something like that be better saved for after this Generation is over?--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 23:33, 27 December 2010 (UTC)
:Currently it is true. If this changes in the future, so will the trivia. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 07:38, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
::alright--[[User:Darknesslover5000|Darknesslover5000]] 07:52, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

== Running Shoes (Changes from Generation IV) ==

is it worth putting that the running shoes have returned to just pressing B in contrast to in HGSS when it could be automatically be put on using the button on the touch screen? or is it just useless trivia? [[User:Azure42|Azure42]] 17:27, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

== Debut ==
I noticed on the "Debut" part of the page it says "March 6 2011" - the U.S. release date. As it's under the "En" tag (obviously for "English") and the European release is 4th March 2011, should that be changed to reflect the EU release date? Although the majority of the fandom are American, it is the English premiere, or a third option be added? {{unsigned|Ryu Shoji}}
:It should really be first English, not first US. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 15:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::We use US dates for everything else, I don't see why this should be any different even if it is two days before. --[[User:HoennMaster|Hoenn]][[User talk:HoennMaster|Master]] 16:17, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
:::Maybe we should add {{tt|*|March 6 in US}}?----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 16:25, 10 January 2011 (UTC)
::::The thing says English, so we should use the first English date. The only reason US dates are used for everything else is because they are usually first ([[The Legend of Thunder!|but not always]]). --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 01:23, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
:::::The European date is when the English-speaking world begins Generation V. If the date has not been changed already, I will update it (this is the date we're counting down to on the Main Page/when all the info will be out, after all). —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:14, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

== Catching Pokemon at a certain time of day ==

Can someone confirm if this has been removed? As it would certainly seem to be. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 15:01, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
:Yes; time of day-based encounter rate differences don't appear in the game data.----'''''無限の知性''''' ◎ [[User:Dennou Zenshi|ＤＥＮＮＯＵ]]'''[[Special:Random|◆]]'''[[User talk:Dennou Zenshi|ＺＥＮＳＨＩ]] 15:07, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

== New standards ==

I find some odd matches for gen I-V. Timburr, Dangoro and Woobat share traits with machop, geodude and zubat.
What if Gen V acts Like a new Gen I, that will provide Gen VI and up with reccuring pokemons (Magicarp, Geodude, Abra, Machop and Pikachu (and probably others) appears in all Generations I to IV) that will be "standards" for the next games?
Gen III seemed like a reboot for fans, maybe they tried then, and now they made it here.Maybe... [[User:Grhaal|Grhaal]] 01:49, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
:Some fans have speculated that. We'll see what the future will be like. It'll be interesting. --[[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 19:40, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

== Trivia-new system ==

This is the second time (not the first) that a new generation of pokemon didnt start on a new system, while gold and silver had exclusive features when played on the GBC (playing in color), they were still playable on GB and GB pocket (cyrstal was the first game that required the GBC). Just as this duo of games can be played on DS, but when played on DSi or 3DS, these games also have exclusive features (the Xtransceiver only works on DSi and 3DS, but NOT on original DS/DS lite systems)

To say its the first time not to move to the next console at launch is misleading and untrue.
:[[File:Pokemonsilverbox.jpg|thumb|300px]]
:Box clearly says ''Game Boy Colour''. The games just happen to be backwards compatible. '''X'''[[User:Vuvuzela2010|'''Vuvuzela2010''']]'''X''' 01:30, 17 February 2011 (UTC0)

the game cart is clearly a GB cart (notice the thumb grip goes in and says "Nintedo GameBoy" not out like a GBC cart) [http://gamesdbase.com/Media/SYSTEM/Nintendo_Game_Boy_Color/Cart/big/Pokemon-_Gold_Version_-_2000_-_Nintendo.jpg example of GB cart]
[http://lh3.ggpht.com/_fLtECJziqZI/SkqTt2PlFOI/AAAAAAAABmE/Ciwhrs2IL8E/HPIM1556.JPG example of GBC cart]

== Young trainer ==

Its obvious that "young trainer" is the player from D/P/Pt.--[[User:Grhaal|Grhaal]] 12:28, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

== Non-Event Trivia ==
Is it worth noting the Generation V introduced the same number of non-event Pokémon as Generation I (150)? --[[User:Jimmyduckegg|Jimmyduckegg]] 18:01, 4 March 2011 (UTC)
:I don't think so. Victini is counted as an event Pokémon. With the unofficial Keldeo, Meloetta, and Genesect, that makes 156 - 4 = 152 non-event Pokémon. I have a ready list of all Generation V Pokémon for reference, and that indeed appears to be the case... [[User:Haxorus|Haxorus]] 14:22, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
::I think JDE was considering Zorua and Zoroark event Pokémon. Would it be correct to consider them that? After all, the only ways to get those two are through an event, or from someone else who has through trading or GTS. --[[User:AndyPKMN|AndyPKMN]] [[User talk:AndyPKMN|(talk)]] 22:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

== Lock ==

I believe this page should be locked due to this[http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dengeki_DS_announces_new_Pok%C3%A9mon_game]. Anyone agree?[[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 17:38, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:I think we should wait until people actually start doing editing the page. [[User:Han Ji-Wan|Han Ji-Wan]] 17:54, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
::Han is correct. If something goes wrong, then it will be protected, but for now, there is no reason to worry. —♥ [[User:Jello|Jello]][[User Talk:Jello|talk]] 17:57, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
:::Okay thanks Han and Jello. I wasn't sure, though. When something "Big" like this is 'revealed', a lot of people overreact. [[User:ShinyPikachu|Shiny]][[Pikachu (Pokémon)|Pikachu]] 18:04, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

==Gym Leaders?==
Is it accurate to say this is the first generation for which there is more than one Gym Leader per town within the same game? (Or something less awkwardly phrased.) I noticed it wasn't in the section so.... Am I forgetting someone? [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 22:15, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:Tate and Liza from Hoenn. [[User:Bluesun|Bluesun]] 22:26, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
::They fight as a unit, though. It's still the first time you could fight one of two or three Gym Leader units depending on your game or your starter. I'm not sure what the best way to phrase it would be. [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 14:17, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
:::[[Sootopolis Gym]]. Leader depends on version. You could also argue [[Fuchsia Gym]] and [[Viridian Gym]]. --[[User:SnorlaxMonster|'''Snorlax''']][[User talk:SnorlaxMonster|'''Monster''']] 14:32, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::::Given, the user who started this chain mentioned more than one leader within the ''same'' game; Tate and Liza were the first of this kind, I do believe. Cilan, Chili and Cress (discounting Iris and Drayden, because, as I've stated, the parameters for this are ''within the same game'') are not trailblazers. [[User:Sadistic Blaziken|Puppy]] of [[User talk:Sadistic Blaziken|Doom]] and [[Poochyena (Pokémon)|Destruction]] 14:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
:::::I'm the same user, I don't know why I brought up the version thing the second time. I was mostly wondering about Cilan, Chili, and Cress, but I didn't think about Tate and Liza. Thank you! [[User:Ikarishipper900|Ikarishipper900]] 14:45, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

== All Pure Types ==

Someone can add that trivia:
Generation V is the only generation that introduce all pure types with at least one pokémon
Sorry for my bad english! {{unsigned|Shocker}}
:Sorry, but there is a current ban on trivia at the moment so it can not be added. Also please sign all comments with 4 <nowiki>~~~~~</nowiki>. Thank you! [[User:Pokemaster97|--Pokemaster]][[User talk:Pokemaster97|97]] 21:15, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

== Is there another main game coming up, or at least a side game in 2012? ==

When I started paying attention to the pokemon storylines, usually I saw the games came out as October/English/Sidegame and March/English/Maingame.
Is there any news of a new one? I haven't been paying attention. While it's unlikely, I'm still not losing hope for the R/S/E remakes, is there any word of them? [[User:Chocos0|Chocos0]] 01:44, 13 September 2011 (UTC)