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Talk:Wonder Guard (ability)

2010-05-29T03:17:23Z

Buddy Christ: /* Weather Effects */

== Redundancy ==

This part of the article is redundant:

"...nor does it block moves whose types do not come into play for damage calculation, such as Beat Up and Future Sight[...]Additionally, the moves Future Sight and Doom Desire are capable of striking through this ability."
[[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 03:17, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

== Weather Effects ==

Would Wonder Guard block damage from weather effects as well?
:''Wonder Guard only allows super effective moves to hit. It does not prevent stat-altering moves, such as Tail Whip, from hitting or from lowering the Pokémon's stats. Also, it does not prevent damage from weather effects, such as Sandstorm.'' Next time, read the article.--[[User:Skymin23|FlyingSkymin23]] 01:54, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Faraway place

2010-04-13T05:30:05Z

Buddy Christ: /* Another Thing */

==Distant Land==
I thought it was "Distant Land" cuz that's what my Pokémon says...it never says "faraway place".--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 00:27, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
:I was just about to say this myself. I sent over my Espeon from XD and it says "Distant land" not "Faraway Place". [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:02, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, I'm gonna remove that and just note it on the Orre page or something. [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 01:06, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

==Another Thing==
''A Pokémon caught in a main series game taking place in another region (such as a Pokémon caught in Johto in HeartGold and SoulSilver traded to Diamond and Pearl, which take place in Sinnoh) will also have this placeholder. Instead of the new place's name appearing, Faraway place will appear instead.'' huh? What about that "Johto" location data mentioned [[Pokémon Gold and Silver remake speculation|here]]? [[User:Zesty Cactus|'''Zesty''']][[User talk:Zesty Cactus|'''Cactus''']] 02:07, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
* On my game it says "Faraway place" for all of my Pokemon that emigrated from HGSS to DPPt. :/ It could be because HGSS are in Japanese and my DPPt games are European though. It really annoys me that they have to use such a vague placeholder when they have "Kanto" and "Johto" names in the code anyway. Besides, if the data is stored with each Pokemon's data rather than as a set of text strings, surely it should always display the exact place it was captured anyway? [[User:Teeth|Teeth]] 20:26, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

I have a question
What does it show if you trade a Pokemon from DPPT to HGSS? Will it say Faraway Place in Kanto or Johto. ex. Saying Lake Verity in Johto. [[User:?????|The out of style INFERNAPE!!!!]]
:The best answer will come once HeartGold and SoulSilver are released in English. Can we sit tight til then please? —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 03:52, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Alright, it's been released now. Anyone know what the situation is? [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 05:30, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive2

2010-02-20T23:46:07Z

Buddy Christ: /* Unique Pokemon */

[[Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive1|Archive #1]]

== WTF? ==

Giratina controls dimensions? That's stupid... can somebody remove that? Time and Space (depth, lengh and width) are the freaking dimensions everyone!!! So Giratina has more power than both Dialga and Palkia? I think not. Remember that Giratina lives in the Distortion World... a place that disobeys the laws of Time and Space. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 22:26, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

There are 2 types of dimensions, matematical, which you were talking about, and spacial, which would be under Giratina's control. If you don't belive me, look up "Plane (metaphysics)" on Wikipedia. The dimensions that Giratina controls are '''alternate planes of exictence''', also called '''dimensions'''!- ''unsigned comment from {{u|GuyNamedSean}} ([[User talk:GuyNamedSean|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/GuyNamedSean|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:It seems that Giratina can control gravity, or atleast that is how I enterpreted the explanation of its form shift. It also makes some sense because gravity could be considered a third factor in time-space [[User:Enigmaberry|Enigmaberry]] 02:29, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

:I agree with hfc2X, this needs to be changed. It was never officially stated anywhere that Giratina controls dimensions or anything at all, really. If you guys are going to write up fan speculation, you can at least, you know, actually make a note of that. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

:An additional note, after editing the page a few times I noticed that only established users are allowed to make changes, my mistake there. Still, this needs to be changed for accuracy. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:30, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::You do realize that this talk section is from BEFORE Platinum was released in English, right? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:34, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::What does that have to do with anything? Whether it's from one day or even five years ago, it doesn't change the fact that a change still needs to be made. As an encyclopedia, this doesn't need fanon crap. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Because Platinum confirmed it. Duh. '''~ platinum[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 02:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::Prove it, then. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:38, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::Disprove it, then. '''~ platinum[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 02:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::It is also said in the Distortion World by Cyrus about Giratina's control over dimensions...I'm way, way ahead of that, otherwise I'd give you the exact quote.--[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 02:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::My bad. I forgot. Giratina can't go between dimensions, or drag people into the Distorted World, or anything like that. Sorry. I guess it has no real power. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:40, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Spare me the reverse psychology, Sol, you said that Platinum confirmed it and I'm telling you to point to me where that was specifically confirmed. You're the one making false claims, not me. It was never stated that Giratina controls dimensions, this is FAN SPECULATION which is something that Bulbapedia frowns on if I'm not mistaken. At least it's something they should be frowning upon. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:45, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::::If you can't prove that it hasn't been proved, then it's useless to try and say that it's fan speculation. PsychicRider has confirmed it, so no, it's not fan speculation. '''~ platinum[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 02:46, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Quit acting like a politician and disprove it. You're avoiding what somebody tells you that goes against what you're trying to say. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 02:49, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:Sol, you're the one who's in a position to prove something, not me. I basically asked "Where was that confirmed?" and you've yet to answer that question. I would like the specific quote of Cyrus stating this, though, as I don't recall it. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 02:53, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::I'm way past that, as in Battle Frontier past, but I do remember that it is confirmed from Cyrus's dialogue. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 02:59, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::So I'm apparently supposed to conveniently be at the point in time where Cyrus says that specific quote. '''~ platinum[[User:Sol|s]][[User talk:Sol|o]][[Special:Contributions/Sol|l]]''' 03:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::No, this isn't a perfect quote, but: "Hmm... so Giratina disappeared into the real world... it doesn't matter. I'll capture it, and then I'll use the dimensional powers of Giratina to form a new world here and destroy the real one." '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:06, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::I believe that's the quote I was looking for...boys, we have our proof. :D. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 03:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

:::::In that case (if that was explicitly stated), I stand corrected. Thanks. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 03:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::Don't mention it. It only took me 30 minutes to think of. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:13, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

:Not to sound like a broken record here, but I've just gotten through the Distortion World on my second run-through and Cyrus doesn't make that statement anywhere. I even saved right before the battle with Giratina to see what Cyrus would say in both scenarios (catching Giratina or defeating it), but the dialogue only changes slightly and there's still no explicit mention of it having control over dimensions. Besides, aren't space and time dimensions as well? Judging from some of the official interviews on Giratina I've just read, I'm more inclined to say that Giratina simply controls antimatter. If I'm not mistaken, antimatter IS considered to be the third factor out of time and space, after all. I propose that we take "dimensions" out of the sentence. [[User:Marlowe|Marlowe]] 08:22, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I watched a Youtube video and saw the same thing. But no. Dimensions isn't coming out. The descriptions aren't just for the games, but also the anime/movies you have to remember. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 12:30, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Bubbly Mew ==

Wherever I go, whatever I read that's about Mew or the first movie, it says something like "The Bubbly Mew appeared in the first move", or something like that. Now, why is it called "Bubbly Mew" and why is it just the Mew in the first movie? And where did that term of Bubbly Mew ever come from?--[[User:Dragonbeastx|DRAGON]][[User talk:Dragonbeastx|BEAST]][[User:Dragonbeastx/The Aura Spot|X]] 22:25, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:Maybe it's that the Mew in the first movie enjoyed making bubbles. [[user:Simpsonsdude13| SD13 Simpsondude13>''']][[user talk:Simpsonsdude13|SD13 Talk]] 20:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
==Phione?==
Does Phione really count? And why not Unown? I always thought of the symbols as legends. Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic
:Phione counts because to get one you have to breed a legendary. Unown doesn't because it's extremely distant from any other legendary. Note the beasts and the birds. Sure they're separated by the powerhouses and events by Dratini and Larvitar's families, but they're next to each other and divided from the others by no more than three Pokémon. Unown has 50 down and 42 up. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:41, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
::So all legends have to be near each other in the pokedex? Since when? Me and my fellow torchics agree on this - Sk8torchic 16:07, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

:::Besides, nobody would buy Unown being legendary, what with how they're found all over the place in the [[Ruins of Alph]], [[Tanoby Chambers]], and [[Solaceon Ruins]]. Trust me, in the time it takes to breed for one Phione, odds are one could catch 2 PC boxes entirely full of Unown (although there's no guarantee that all 28 forms would be included)...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:54, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== Can we really stop saying that Rayquaza is based on a Ziz ==

It really isn't. The closest thing we have to a bird whose wingspan is large enough to block out the sun is Lugia, atleast according to the accounts of an elderly NPC in Ecruteak city.--[[User:Outrage DD|Outrage DD]] 22:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
:Well, Groudon isn't a giant hippo...elephant...rhino...''thing''...—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 23:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::They are both based on the concept of these legendary creatures. Masters of the sky and land respectivly.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 00:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Info ==
Why is {{P|Rotom}} not a legendary?, I'm not complaining, I just want to know why.[[User:Pokemonguy1|Pokemonguy1]] 18:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
: *[[Talk:Rotom_(Pok%C3%A9mon)/Archive_1|slaps with a wet Magikarp]]* Archives are your friends. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:46, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

because it doesn't have monster stats--[[User:Pokemongirl1|PG1 FTW!]] 15:25, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

:Neither does {{p|Phione}}, and yet it's still a Legendary. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 19:17, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

::That's because {{p|Manaphy|a legendary is needed to obtain it}}. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User Talk:Theryguy512|512]]''' 19:40, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
:::Just a reminder that this is a forums topic.... o_0 Go there, peeps. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 09:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

All you need to do to catch it is to press a on a tv during night time. to get a phione, like it was said before, you need to have manaphy and breed it. --[[User:Usyflad10|Usyflad10]] ([[User talk:Usyflad10|talk]]) 23:35, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

== Legendary Pokémon group picture ==

I made this: [http://student-kmt.hku.nl/~abel1/PF2pictures/Legendary%20Pok%e9mon.jpg]

I think it'll be nice if it was placed in this article, next to (or instead of) that Entei pic.

Greetz,
Abel
:It's nice really but the thing is that the Johto legends will be getting new artworks soon and, maybe, the admins might not like the signature on the upper right. Also, Deoxys is actually shorter than Mewtwo. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 12:33, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Just a reminder that fan art, I think, is generally frowned on. While that is very impressive, we can't use it here. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 21:06, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

== Latios and Latias ==

So I know that the current pic is better than the last, but I'm pretty sure it's {{tt|fan made.|Copyright info doesn't make it official... it only makes the claim that somebody owns the rights to characters...}} And we aren't supposed to have fan pics on pages. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:06, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
:Are you sure about that? That's the same font the Pokémon Company uses, it's in Sugimori's style, ''and'' it has his {{wp|Seal (East Asia)|hanko}} on it...—[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:31, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

::{{tt|Who's the girl though?|forgot about this since the database was locked at the time...}} '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 21:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Beats me. But that's definitely official. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Latios and Latias should be jhoto legendaries because the movie takes place in jhoto.
[[User:JetanHertz13|JetanHertz13]] 00:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
::That's... nice? If you join in a conversation that's like... 5 months old, at least add something important. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|You enter a poorly lit room...]] 00:54, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
:::Latios and Latias appear in a Johto-era movie because they needed to hype up Hoenn. Der. The Eon duo don't even appear in Johto in HGSS, they're roaming Kanto! And it's '''''JOHTO''''', not Jhoto. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:27, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

== Protection Error? ==

Isn't this page protected? I had no problem editing it, and I'm no admin. --[[User:CuboneKing|CUBONE PWNS]] ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) [[Cubone (Pokémon)|THE VERY BEST PAGE!]] 20:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
:New users are blocked from editing (which, at the current state of the wiki does nothing). Only admins may move the page, though. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 20:31, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
::Ohhhhhhhhh... NOW I get it... --[[User:CuboneKing|CUBONE PWNS]] ([[User talk:CuboneKing|Planet Cubone]] • [[Special:Contributions/CuboneKing|Bone Club]]) [[Cubone (Pokémon)|THE VERY BEST PAGE!]] 20:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia: Legendary Pokémon Themes ==

It should be noted that in the upcoming games, HeartGold and SoulSilver, that Lugia and Ho-Oh now both have their own, distinct themes in the upcoming games. It was confirmed on the "never before seen footage" on Pokémon Sunday where they revealed meeting Lugia and Ho-Oh in the games. :) From the small clips you can hear, Ho-Oh's theme seems to be very Japanese-percussion based (taiko drums) and Lugia's is very orchestral-dramatics based. {{unsigned|Gimmetokyo}}

== New article ==
Since the Legendary Trios and Duos have articles, should the Legendarys without a group (Trio Master's not included) get there own article too? {{unsigned|Blackstone Dresden}}

:If you mean Legendaries like {{p|Mew}}, {{p|Celebi}}, and {{p|Manaphy}}, then no. What would we write that isn't already on their own pages? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 04:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

== Arceus HGSS pic ==

[[Image:Arceus - HGSS Event Artwork.jpg|thumb|left|150px]]
 How about adding it? -- [[User:RikkiKitsune|R<s>ikki</s>]][[User talk:RikkiKitsune|Kitsune]] 21:26, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

If I could, I would!--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 12:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Master of Bulbasaur and Turtwig♀

:I didn't place that one since one for the Azure Flute event would be better. It would be similar to Darkrai and Shaymin. [[User:Tc26/Anime Predictions|tc]][[User:Tc26|²₆]][[User talk:Tc26|tc]][[User:Tc26/Sandbox|26]] 12:49, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

::I'll put it in for now. We can always change it when the Flute event gets its own artwork. We're using the HGSS Beasts artwork aren't we? '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 16:25, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

== Edit! ==
I can't edit, but one of you should include that they can be found in Sinnoh.--[[User:The Bulb's Master|The Bulb's Master]] 12:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC) Master of Bulbasaur and Turtwig♀

== "Legendary" ==
Is the term "legendary" an official descriptor or one applied by the fandom? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 23:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)
:Its official. It appears in the games, anime, and all sorts of sources. It even appears in some Pokédex entries. '''[[User:Blake|Blake]]''' [[User talk:Blake#top|Talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/Blake|Edits]] 01:38, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah, I've been playing Blue and the first instance of the term "legendary Pokemon" is on Route 14 by a Bird Keeper, for future reference. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:45, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

==[[Arcanine]]==
"If you were looking for the "Legendary Pokémon" species, see Arcanine (Pokémon). "
Why does it say that? What does it have to do with anything [[User:Qim1|Qim1]] 00:05, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
:Arcanine's [[species]] name is "Legendary Pokémon". In comparison, Bulbasaur's is "Seed Pokémon". Just on the off-chance that someone thinks Arcanine is actually a Legendary Pokémon, in the sense meant on this page. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:28, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
::Arcanine is considered as legendary in Chinese... since many [[Pokédex]] entries says Arcanine is from China.[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 07:09, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

==Pokemon of Legend, Illusion, and Myth==
Is there any source for these categories of legendaries? The main paragraph suggests the Japanese versions identify legendaries differently that was narrowed for translation... What Pokemon are in these various categories, and why? What exactly do the Japanese versions say? [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

==Slowpoke/king==
This may meet with some dissent, but would Slowpoke or Slowking qualify under "Other Pokemon of myth"? Slowpoke is pretty dominantly featured in GSC and HG/SS, as well as the corresponding anime episode, as the savior of Azalea in time of need. He's practically worshiped there. I don't believe this story was ever explicitly stated as fact, but rather as a cultural legend of sorts. That means Slowpoke is featured in a legend, and so possibly counts as a low-tier legendary like Arcanine of Togepi.

Slowking may same to fit the position more, but the extent of its qualification are the second movie. I don't know if human speech, a knowledge of ancient prophecies, and a role in that prophecy coming true/being resolved counts as a legendary, but should also be considered.

So, what are the opinions on counting on or both as minor legendaries? I'll agree to any consensus, but just thought it would be worth bringing up since Slowpoke does garner some "It's a legendary" statements from time to time. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 00:48, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:Pastoria worships Croagunk. Does that mean it's a minor legendary too? Slowpoke, as far as I know, only gets mentioned as legendary [[User:TTEchidna/Slopoke (that i ran into the other day)|when people are being sarcastic]].--'''[[Water (type)|Liquid]]''' [[Mask of Ice|'''ICE''']] (User:Cold)([[user:Cold|page]], [[User talk:Cold|talk]]) 00:55, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
::I was unaware of Croagunk's position in that area, though that does get me thinking... Slowpoke, Croagunk, and possibly some of the "Other Pokemon of myth" featured here might do well on a "Pokemon of cultural significance" kind of article. I expect gen 5 will introduce at least one new Pokemon that is treated similarly to these two, so at that time it might be feasible to make such an article. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 00:58, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
:::We need more than two Pokémon of culutral significance to make it an article. —'''darklord[[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|trom]]''' 01:02, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
::::Which is why I suggested waiting until gen 5 when another Pokemon may be featured. But, as it stands now, Arcanine, Ninetails, and the Togepi line are strong candidates for such an article. Note that "legendary" is as much a fan-term as a canon one, so creating a corollary term for culturally-significant Pokemon would be ideal as well as alleviate the constant arguing about who is and isn't a legendary, when frankly many of the supposed legendaries ''would'' make more sense in a culture article. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 01:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

== Unique Pokemon ==

: So which Pokemon exactly are "unique" besides Mewtwo? I'm just curious. Also, has it ever been '''confirmed''' that Mewtwo is unique? [[User:LugiaRocks|'''LugiaRox''']] 02:34, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::Well he is the first cloned legendary, first created legendary. But that's probably speculation.--'''[[User:Midnight Blue|Midnight]] [[User talk:Midnight Blue|''Blue'']]''' 03:49, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::: Mewtwo is a special case. He's not even a "legendary" in the in-universe sense (no associated legends), only in the fanon sense. Discussing what other Pokemon are "unique" is beating a dead horse, since it's been done before and there's no way we can no for sure. Looking at it one way, nearly every Pokemon is unique, but in another way there's room for multiplies. Who knows? As for created Pokemon akin to Mewtwo, I'm sure that area will be explored at some point. Come gen 5, all the loose strings will be tired up. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 03:55, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
:::: I believe we could safely say that Arceus is unique. [[User:LugiaRocks|'''LugiaRox''']] 05:07, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::::: Arceus is the personification of a concept. There could very well be more than one, with each being an avatar of an incomprehensible concept. It's called pantheism. Hindis practice it. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 05:46, 23 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::Hindu's you moron, hindi is the language they speak in india!--[[User:Minimag|Minimag]] 05:14, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::: Does it really matter? And the term "Hindi" also applies to Hindu literature and culture. Religion/mythology is within the scope of culture, so there you go. I know my use of language. [[User:Redstar|Redstar]] 05:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
::::::::I thought it was polytheism. Anyways, in Hinduism concepts, gods are an aspect of Brahmna, the eternal being, which could be what Arceus could be based on, with the three major aspects of Brahma being legendary trios. Though I doubt this because Nintendo is based in Japan and not India. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 00:31, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
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The non-uniques are:
*Mew ([[Mewtwo Strikes Back]] & [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]])
*Lugia ([[The Power of One]], [[Silver (Johto)|Silver]], and possibly Movie 13)
*Regirock, Regice, Registeel ([[Brandon's Regis]] & [[Lucario and the Mystery of Mew]])
*Regigigas ([[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]] & [[DP129]])
*Lati@s ([[Pokémon Heroes]])
*Deoxys ([[Destiny Deoxys]])
*Manaphy ([[Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea]])
*Phione ([[DP113]])
*Darkrai ([[The Rise of Darkrai]] and [[DP104]])
*Shaymin ([[Giratina and the Sky Warrior]])

Uknown, yet debateable:
*Cresselia - If there's more than one Darkrai, why not Cresselia?
*Heatran - Only one has appeared so far, and even then, it was in the distant past.
*Jirachi - It came from space. We don't know if more are out there like Deoxys and Clefairy.
*The legendary birds - Unlike the beasts, we don't know if there were only 3 specifically created, although it is probable that they're unique.
*The legendary beasts- Although we know that Ho-Oh created 3 from the ashes of Pokémon, Suicune has appeared multiple times and sometimes in different regions. It has appeared in 3 episodes of the anime and one movie. The Entei in [[Spell of the Unown]] was only an illusion created by the Unown.

Unique:
*Mewtwo - It isn't actually a legendary in the anime, just a bad clone of one.
*Ho-Oh - Even though its counterpart, Lugia, is known to be able to have offspring, Ho-Oh seems to be a single Pokémon that travels around.
*Celebi - Although many appeared in [[Pokémon 4Ever]], they were the same Celebi, just from different time periods. The past and future came together in the present.
*Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza - Kyogre and Groudon have appeared in the Team Magma and Team Aqua arc, and Kyogre has appeared in a movie or two. Rayquaza could be argued as having more than one in its species, but it is most likely the only one.
*Azelf, Uxie, and Mesprit - They were created by Arceus to keep Dialga and Palkia in balance.
*Dialga and Palkia - They are the keepers of time and space.
*Giratina - It is the guardian of the Reverse World, an distorted mirror of the Pokémon world. Although it could be argued that because mirror dimensions exist, and there would be Reverse Worlds for each of these mirror dimensions, that is extremely technical and most likely won't be mentioned.
*Arceus - Creator of the Pokémon universe. Not much more to say about that.

If that doesn't clear some things up, I don't know what will. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 22:49, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

:Actually, there is no way that Celebi would be the same Celebi from different time periods (as most of those Celebi [those supposedly from the future] would also not exist if that were the case, since it died.). As for Groudon and Kyogre, it was heavily implied in the end of Scuffle of Legends that they went to sleep again for another age-long rest (almost eternal), and it was also implied that the orbs are the only way they can awake, so it's more likely that Kyogre, at least, has multiples (since unless someone had bonded with the Blue Orb, then Kyogre should not awake, and thus not appear in Movie 9 if it's the same one.). Rayquaza was also implied to be captured by Team Rocket, and it won't make any sense that Rayquaza would be around the atmosphere if it can't get out (which the scene of it's capture implies that it can't escape.) Dialga and Palkia, did they even recognize Ash and co. when they appeared in the Team Galactic Two-Parter? If not, they're definitely not one of a kind, and since Giratina is also part of the same trio, that means it has to have multiples as well. For the Three Pixies, if there are more than one Dialga and Palkia, there are definitely going to be more than one Pixie Trio. So far, the only pokemon to be completely confirmed to be one of a kind without a doubt is Mewtwo. If Arceus somehow appears later on and doesn't even recognize Ash and Co, then it's safe to say that Arceus is also not one of a kind. As for Ho-Oh, let's wait until Movie 13 before we can say that it's one of a kind (If it doesn't recognize Ash, then it's safe to say it's not one of a kind.). [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:15, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

::Wow. I wasn't asking for a "Your wrong, stupid." type of response. We're trying to clear things up, not get into a fight. But since you want an argument for my point... For Celebi, the concept of time in the Pokémon universe, both games and movies, isn't immediate. In PMD2, you don't disappear right away. You still have like, a minute before you start to go away after correcting time. In Movie 12, it took forever for Ash and co. to nearly disappear, which they didn't. Celebi would have enough time to come back to heal itself. And who said it died anyways? It would also know when it would need to heal itself since it's a time travellor, and has basically the same powers that Dialga has, except they're not as massively powerful. There also isn't more than one Palkia, Dialga, or Arceus, as they're the only ones that are in existance. Dialga lives in a dimension outside of time, and Palkia controls all dimensions, except for Dialga's and Arceus'. It doesn't really matter if Palkia and Dialga recognize Ash and co. in the anime, because the anime =/= the movies. And from what I can tell, they don't do anything anyways. Cyrus captures them, and then the Lake trio free them and they go away. And there isn't more than one of each of the Lake trio, because there's... wait for it... ''three'' lakes for the ''three'' Lake guardians, and ''three'' {{tt|gifts|emotion, willpower, knowledge}} to humans. And so what if it appears that Team Rocket has Rayquaza? That was only in the intro to Movie 9 to show that there's evil in the Pokémon world. As for Groudon and Kyogre, again, anime =/= movies. Can't stress that enough. Those anime episodes were directly based off of R/S. There isn't any movie that's based specifically off of any part of a game. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 03:08, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

:::If Anime=/=Movies, then you shouldn't have even cited the movies in the first place (In other words, you shouldn't have cited Darkrai's appearances, as well as the other Legendary Pokémons appearances.). As for who said it had died, the mere fact that even the newly purified healing spring wasn't able to heal it implied that it had died. And for the record, I wasn't calling you stupid nor even implying that you were. And another thing, just because there are three lakes in Sinnoh that hold the pixie trio does not mean that there cannot be more than one Pixie trio. It was earlier implied that there was only one Mew left in existance, yet it was later made clear that there were actually two mews. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 03:42, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
::::Isn't there more than one Dialga, Palkia, and Giratina because of every Gen. IV game having them, but in different ways. HeartGold and SoulSilver has Arceus create one on the spot while DPPt has one already there. Doesn't that mean they are debatable? [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 02:23, 13 December 2009 (UTC)
:::::I really don't think any of this matters actually. The only part that talks about unique legendaries, other than that one sentence, is the bottom where it lists the different in-battle music. I would say more, except I know Mchairybug will contradict everything I say. That's why I've stopped talking about it. '''[[Team Rocket|R.A.]] [[User:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Hunter]] [[User Talk:Rocket Admin Hunter Blade|Blade]]''' 05:09, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

===Definitively===
We can only say without a doubt that Mewtwo is unique in the anime. Arceus, the dragon trio, and the lake trio are presumed due to their link to the universe's creation. The rest, we can't say definitively, though we can more or less assume there's been only one Ho-Oh we've ever seen (Ash indicates it), and the weather trio's important roles also seem to point to there being only one of each.

Also, don't, ''don't'' think in the game sense in the anime. Also, the movies are canon, Ash-haters, find another thing he's not worthy of to rip on him for... like Gible or something. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 09:01, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

No pokemon is ever described as unique, anywhere, in the games or in the anime. All a talk about "unique pokemon" is complete fan speculation, nothing more. Just look at HG/SS: you can get a newborn Giratina, Dialgia, or Palkia, proving even THEY aren't unique. Even Mewtwo may not be unique, because other scientists could always clone another Mew if Gamefreak wanted to make Mewtwo obtainable another way.--[[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 23:46, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

== Wobbuffett in the trivia section ==
Wobbuffett is not a legendary, but it along with Garchomp are the only non-legendary pokémon to be considered uber in competitive battling {{unsigned|Rocklee clone}}
:Unofficial tiers of competitive battling is irrelevant to this article. There's no need to mention Wobbuffet here. --[[User:ElectAbuzzzz|'''electAbuzz''']][[User talk:ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']][[Special:Contributions/ElectAbuzzzz|'''z''']] 21:27, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Psyduck (Pokémon)

2010-01-21T03:54:36Z

Buddy Christ: /* Intro */

Why isn't Psyduck classified as water/psychic, instead of just water? [[User:Aiddat|Aiddat]] 01:51, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you ask Satoshi Taijiri himself?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 10:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Heh, somebody probably just forgot something. I mean, when they designed the Pokemon. [[User:Aiddat|Aiddat]] 11:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
::Maybe because only Psyduck's psychic move learned by level is Confusion. The other Pokémon Water/Psychic (for example Staryu or Slowpoke) can learn more psychic moves by level. --[[User:Valepert|Valepert]] 12:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
beats me.-Legopokemonplease

But Still, what other {{t|Water}} Types learn Psychic Moves. Plus I love Psychic Types so the more the merrier! --{{u|Asujoll}} the {{t|Psychic}} Master

Explain why Stantler isn't Psychic or why Venomoth isn't. Both learn more Psychic attacks than Psyduck. They just aren't. There is no real explination other than "Creator made them that way" [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]] 23:15 Dec 21, 2008

But look at Psyduck's pokedex entries. You can't tell me those entries aren't describing a psychic type pokemon.[[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]]

:Is there any reason the Ruby and Sapphire sprite is really thin? Or is my browser messing it up? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 17:30, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
::That's weird. It's displaying thin on mine too. The actual image is 64×64 though. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 17:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
:::It looks wierd on firefox to. Ill check the coding--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::::Actually, quite a few Pokémon have the same problem... I can remember Chansey, Doduo, and Grimer off the top of my head. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 19:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== also REST! ==

hey, shouldn't it be mentioned that Psyduck also learns the move Rest via Breeding?
it hasn't been mentioned in the article....{{Unsigned|Ironcolossus4}}
:Actually, that statement is false. Psyduck learns Rest by TM so if the father of the Psyduck knew rest, the baby Psyduck would too. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 03:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

i swear.... mine learned Rest from a male Grumpig knowing this move... the Female Psyduck which was the mother, didn't know this move at all.... {{unsigned|Ironcolossus4}}
:The above statement said the '''father''' of the Psyduck. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 16:52, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Psyduck (Pokémon)

2010-01-21T03:54:04Z

Buddy Christ: /* Intro */

Why isn't Psyduck classified as water/psychic, instead of just water? [[User:Aiddat|Aiddat]] 01:51, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Why don't you ask Satoshi Taijiri himself?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 10:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Heh, somebody probably just forgot something. I mean, when they designed the Pokemon. [[User:Aiddat|Aiddat]] 11:58, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
::Maybe because only Psyduck's psychic move learned by level is Confusion. The other Pokémon Water/Psychic (for example Staryu or Slowpoke) can learn more psychic moves by level. --[[User:Valepert|Valepert]] 12:05, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
beats me.-Legopokemonplease

But Still, what other {{t|Water}} Types learn Psychic Moves. Plus I love Psychic Types so the more the merrier! --{{u|Asujoll}} the {{t|Psychic}} Master

Explain why Stantler isn't Psychic or why Venomoth isn't. Both learn more Psychic attacks than Psyduck. They just aren't. There is no real explination other than "Creator made them that way" [[User:Xanhawk|Xanhawk]] 23:15 Dec 21, 2008

But look at Psyducks pokedex entries. Tell me those entries aren't describing a psychic type pokemon.[[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]]

:Is there any reason the Ruby and Sapphire sprite is really thin? Or is my browser messing it up? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 17:30, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
::That's weird. It's displaying thin on mine too. The actual image is 64×64 though. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 17:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
:::It looks wierd on firefox to. Ill check the coding--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::::Actually, quite a few Pokémon have the same problem... I can remember Chansey, Doduo, and Grimer off the top of my head. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 19:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== also REST! ==

hey, shouldn't it be mentioned that Psyduck also learns the move Rest via Breeding?
it hasn't been mentioned in the article....{{Unsigned|Ironcolossus4}}
:Actually, that statement is false. Psyduck learns Rest by TM so if the father of the Psyduck knew rest, the baby Psyduck would too. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 03:37, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

i swear.... mine learned Rest from a male Grumpig knowing this move... the Female Psyduck which was the mother, didn't know this move at all.... {{unsigned|Ironcolossus4}}
:The above statement said the '''father''' of the Psyduck. [[User:Turtwig A|Turt]][[wig]] [[Turtwig (Pokémon)|A]] ([[User talk:Turtwig A|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Turtwig A|contribs]]) 16:52, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Celebi Egg glitch

2010-01-20T06:58:42Z

Buddy Christ: /* Requirement */

The '''Celebi egg trick''' is a method to obtain {{p|Celebi}} in {{3v2|Gold|Silver|Crystal}}. Due to the fact that it is impossible to obtain {{p|Celebi}} via standard gameplay, this is, currently, the only way to get Celebi in the Generation II games without a [[Nintendo event]] or using [[cheating|cheat codes]]. However, like most other glitches, it may damage the {{player}}'s save data.

==Discovery==
This glitch was first documented at [[Glitch City Laboratories]]. It was found by Paco81. There is another way to get Celebi; the "Celebi trick" (also found by Paco81), but these two glitches are slightly different.

==Method==
This is only one known method of carrying out the Celebi egg trick and successfully obtaining the {{p|Celebi}}.

===Requirement===
* '''The egg''' - The {{player}} must get an {{pkmn|egg}} that will know {{m|Beat Up}} as its third move upon hatching. This can be done by training a male and a female {{p|Sneasel}} up to [[level]] 57. Both Sneasel need to have the same four moves in the same order, with Beat Up at position three. Because both parents have the same moveset, the offspring will share this moveset.

*'''The bad clone''' - The player must get a bad clone, a clone with a name made of only question marks (or, in some cases, blank), its level will be 0 and its gender will be different than the prototype's. If that Pokémon doesn't fulfill all those requirements, then it isn't a "bad clone" and it cannot be used for the trick. This can be done by [[Pokémon cloning]]. The box that is used for cloning must not be totally filled up at any time (otherwise the box is unable to produce bad clones). Getting a bad clone is a case of luck and occurs sometimes during the act of cloning. The chance of getting a bad clone is at maximum if the box has 15 to 18 Pokémon. Another way to increase the player's chances is by turning the game off after he/she selects YES, before any of the "SAVING... DON'T TURN OFF THE POWER." text appears.

*'''Last requirement''' - The player must get any five Pokémon (preferably weak, common or otherwise useless Pokémon). The easiest way to get them is to clone a Pokémon until there is a bad clone. Because getting a bad clone takes some tries, he or she will get five unimportant Pokémon as a positive side effect of the bad clone action.

===Steps===
* '''Step 1''' - The player must first deposit the egg into a box. The five other Pokémon and the bad clone have to be in the party.

*'''Step 2''' - The player must then go to the {{pkmn|daycare}} and ask the man to raise the bad clone. He or she should then take it back from him, and it will be a [[Five question marks|?????]].

*'''Step 3''' - Next, the player must put [[Five question marks|?????]] at the top of his or her party and go to the PC.

*'''Step 4''' - Using the "Move Pokémon without mail" option, the player must move any Pokémon (preferably weak or common Pokémon) from a PC box to the top of their party. Its name should become the name of its [[original Trainer]]. The player will now have 7 Pokémon in his or her party.

*'''Step 5''' - Next, the player must go back to the Daycare man and ask him to raise the [[Five question marks|?????]]. Afterward, he or she should return to the PC.

*'''Step 6''' - Back at the PC, the player must deposit the first and second party Pokémon.

*'''Step 7''' - Using the "Move Pokémon without mail" option, the player must move the egg from its PC box to the top of his or her party.

*'''Step 8''' - Next, the player needs to deposit the next four party Pokémon, but not the egg.

*'''Step 9''' - Subsequently, the player should withdraw any Pokémon that he or she didn't use for the trick.

*'''Step 10''' - Having completed the set up, the player should walk or bike around until the egg hatches into a {{p|Celebi}}. However, the Celebi is still unplayable.

*'''Step 11'''- The Celebi will hatch at level 0. Due to how the game handles Pokémon that level up in battle, the player must allow the daycare couple to raise the Celebi to at least level 2. After this, it works like any normal Celebi.

==Other methods==
The reason why the player gets Celebi is the Beat Up move. In [[Generation II]], both Celebi and Beat Up share the same [[index number]]: 251. This is not random, and should work with any other move-Pokémon combination; {{m|Psychic}}, whose index number is 94, should result in a {{p|Gengar}} hatching, while {{m|Splash}}, despite being the worst move, ironically would bring about a {{p|Mewtwo}}, as both share index number 150. This glitch therefore should not cause any glitch Pokémon to appear, as there were exactly 251 moves in Generation II, though {{p|Ledyba}} would not be obtainable in this way, as {{m|Struggle}} is unobtainable normally as a move.

==?????==
If the Pokémon used for the breeding has no third attack, the Pokémon that will come out from the egg (after the glitch) will be a "bad clone" of the [[glitch Pokémon]] #000 [[Five question marks|?????]]. This Pokémon, like other "bad clones" cannot be seen by the [[Pokémon storage system|PC]], and hence cannot be deposited in the player's PC or released. There are only 2 known ways to release a "bad clone." One way is to trade it to a [[Generation I]] game. Upon arrival, it will become a generation I original or glitch Pokémon, which may be released normally. The other is to use the PC in the lab on {{pkmn|Stadium 2}} wherein the "bad clones" will show up as {{p|Ditto}} or, sometimes, another Pokémon, allowing the player to release it.

If a wild {{p|Ditto}} transforms into the hatched [[Five question marks|?????]], the wild Ditto is no longer catchable by any kind of [[Poké Ball]]. Even a Master Ball will fail to capture it. If a Ditto is bred with the "bad clone" of ?????, the offspring will be another "bad clone", knowing only {{m|Transform}}.

The "bad clone" of ????? may evolve to a {{p|Nidoran♂}}. Possible levels for evolution are 62 and 37.

At Step 5 of the trick the player asks a Daycare person to raise the Bad Clone of ????? (000). That clone will not be taken back until the trick is finished. After the trick is finished, that clone will disappear from the Daycare, but in rare occasions it is possible for that Pokémon to not disappear and remain at the Daycare. In that case the Bad Clone of ????? (000) will be transformed into a Bad Clone of ????? (255). That Bad Clone of ????? (255), similarly to the Bad Clone of ????? (000), cannot be released by the PC, but it still can be traded to a generation I game and released there. It mostly works the same way as the Bad Clone of ????? (000), but it has some differences with it, as it cannot evolve into a {{p|Nidoran♂}}, and a wild {{p|Ditto}} transforms into the hatched [[Five question marks|????? (255)]], the wild Ditto can be caught normally. Also it learns {{m|Ice Punch}} at LV17 and {{m|Egg Bomb}} at LV44 and it can learn different TMs and HMs from the Bad Clone of ????? (000), for example the Bad Clone of ????? (000) can learn {{m|DynamicPunch}} (TM1) which the Bad Clone of ????? (255) cannot.

==The hatched Pokémon's item==
The hatched Pokémon will hold an item depending to the fourth attack of the Pokémon used for the breeding. Both the item and the fourth attack share the same [[index number]]. For example, if the two Pokémon (used for the breeding) have as fourth attack the move {{m|Reflect}}, the hatched Pokémon will hold a [[GS Ball]] (or [[Teru-sama]] in {{game|Gold and Silver|s}}). That's because both [[GS Ball]] and {{m|Reflect}} have the same [[index number]]: 115. If the Pokémon used for the breeding have as a fourth attack the move {{m|Whirlpool}} or {{m|Beat Up}}, the hatched Pokémon will hold the glitch items HM08 or HM09 respectively. Neither of these [[HM]]s can be obtained in normal gameplay: they are filler items, and have no corresponding moves. If the Pokémon used for the breeding has no fourth attack, the hatched Pokémon will hold nothing.

==Pokérus==
Some of the Pokémon that are deposited in step 6 and step 8 may have their names, gender, level, or attacks changed. Some of them will become "bad clones" and some will remain normal Pokémon. Some of them will have also the [[Pokérus]] virus.

==External Links==
*[http://forums.glitchcity.info/index.php/topic,1065.150.html The Celebi egg trick at Glitch City Laboratories]
{{Glitches}}
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Talk:Mismagius (Pokémon)

2009-01-22T16:53:57Z

Buddy Christ: New page: ==Feminine?== Mismagius doesn't really look very feminine to me. Not like Misdreavus does. Wouldn't that piece of trivia be more accurate in the Misdreavus article? ~~~

==Feminine?==

Mismagius doesn't really look very feminine to me. Not like Misdreavus does. Wouldn't that piece of trivia be more accurate in the Misdreavus article? [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]]

Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive1

2008-05-04T05:57:30Z

Buddy Christ: /* A Quartet??? */

What exactly are the "rules" of being a Legendary, now that Phione is considered a legendary? It doesn't seem that there are any anymore, making the whole title pretty pointless. [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 05:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Even in the anime, are Entei, Raikou, and Suicune ever thought of as gods? I thought they were spirits or embodiments of their elements.

Is Mewtwo really a Legendary? It's even less related to being a God than Raikou, Entei and Suicune, as it's just a mutant created in a laboratory. Also, in the Symphonic Medley Opening, you don't see Mewtwo coupling with the other Legendaries. Perhaps this article should be made more precise, telling the reader that Mewtwo isn't really a Legendary, but often is mentioned as a Legendary, as it has legendary powers (from mew)? What do you think? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 21:50, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I personally think it's safe to assume that Mewtwo is a legendary, but a note might be added about that. Also, how do you say legendary in Japanese? More curious than anything, it doesn't have to be added to the page -[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

The question is whether ''maboroshi'' and ''densetsu'' are exclusive categories. Are there any Pokémon which are ''maboroshi'' and in ''densetsu''? Some of the ''maboroshi'' Pokémon are present in ''densetsu'', such as Lugia (although a veiled reference); [[Latios]] and [[Latias]] are featured in ''densetsu'', but their species is ''mugen Pokémon'' - perhaps a roundabout self-reference to the nature of legendary Pokémon - but English species name ''Eon'' suggests a pun between 無限 (infinite) and 夢幻 (fantasy) rather than that. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:16, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I realy wonder If any trainer ever captured (or already captured) an densetsu or maboroshi? (exept Giovanni he owned mewto for a limited time)

Mewtwo is more of the ''maboroshi'' than the ''densetsu''. Determining weither or not it's 'densetsu' or not depends on which canon we use. In the Anime, the Kanto Bird Trio certainly is ''densetsu'', but in the games, they are barely mentioned, except by a few Bird Keepers.
Should the message at the bottom about the Regis have info added to include Regigigas or not? I believe that it is the sealed Pokemon that the caves in Hoenn warn about. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 15:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:Interesting. I always assumed it referred to all three Gen III Regis but in the light of Diamond and Pearl that is a good possibility. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 23:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

An interesting point is that DP itself uses the terms ''maboroshi'' and ''densetsu'', and this is translated into English as ''mirage'' and ''legendary'', respectively. It also seems to suggest that ''maboroshi'' is a subset of ''densetsu''. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

::Regarding this, should we mention which categories each Legendary falls under? If there's a list somewhere in Japanese? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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I think that the [[Sinnoh Myths]] article should be merged with this one, or else the entire section on "Myths and Legends involving Legendary Pokémon" might need to be its own article (perhaps called something like "Myths and Legends of the Pokémon World" so it has greater scope?) with the Sinnoh Myths part of that. Just an idea, because I saw that it's a featured article candidate now, and the myths section looks sort of subpar. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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I think that Unown should defiantly be considered a lengendary. --[[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]] 11:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:Like Arcanine, I suppose it could be considered as having legendary characteristics, but really, it's not legendary. Legendaries are pretty much completely defined by the fact that they are one-per-game Pokémon that are not able to breed and produce offspring that either is or can become the same species. And, of course, how many Unown can you get? A lot. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== Solaceon Ruins? ==

Should a translation of the Unown runes there be on this page? --[[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 10:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

== What about Absol? ==

Sometimes, aren't absol considered legendary?

:No. I've never heard of Absol being legendary, and I know a lot about Absol. :S [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 02:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think they're ever considered legendary. They have appeared close to legendaries, because Absol are disaster-sensing Pokémon, and there are no bigger disasters than those caused by legendaries and their interaction with nature ;) --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Giratina ==

Since when was Giratina confirmed to have been created from Arceus? And even more pertinent, since when have Cresscelia and Darkrai been said to have been created from Giratina? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 04:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:According to the games, Arceus is the "Original One." This would mean that everything in the Pokémon world was either created by Arceus or by another Pokémon that was created by Arceus, or another Pokémon that was created by a Pokémon that was created by Arceus, and so on. Giratina is clearly too powerful to have been created by Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Dialga, or Palkia, so by a process of elimination, Giratina was created by Arceus. Also, [[Dragon trio|this article]] wouldn't be on Bulbapedia if Giratina wasn't recognized by everyone as being created by Arceus (I didn't start the article). Now, as for why Cresselia and Darkrai were created by Giraina. First, they were nowhere near powerful enough to be straight from Arceus. Therefore, they must either be from Dialga and Palkia, Giratina, or Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf. Due to the fact that they essentially have nothing to do with time and space, they would have to be created by either Giratina or the Lake Trio. Since there is no mention of Cresselia or Darkrai in the legends in the Canalave Library (Giratina isn't mentioned because it was unknown), they can't have been made by the Lake Trio either. Therefore, by a process of elimination, Giratina created Cresselia and Darkrai. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 12:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::That's nothing but original research. None of us get the right to say something isn't "powerful enough" to be created by Arceus. Unless Game Freak/Tajiri/etc. announce any of that, you can't treat it as fact.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 12:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::That is entirely all speculation on your part. I'm surprised you didn't try to shove all the other Legendaries into that absurd "family tree". So did Kyogre give birth to Manaphy or did Lugia mate with Latias? *rolls eyes* And that article you linked to is about ''fan terminology'', so that isn't confirming it as fact. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:::That article I linked to says that Giratina is on an equal level (power-wise, not in-game level-wise) as Dialga and Palkia. And I didn't add the other legendaries because they, unlike Giratina, Darkrai, and Cresselia, have '''no''' proof of their relationships with other legendary Pokémon. If I was going to add an "absurd family tree" as you called it, I would have added [[User:Shiny Noctowl#The legendaries|this]] (some of the sub-relationships ''are'' confirmed, but their relationships with Gen IV haven't been confirmed yet, so I couldn't add them). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 23:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::: No, the article you linked to just said that "The Dragon trio is a term used to refer to Giratina, Dialga, and Palkia". It doesn't say anything about these mysterious "power levels" that seem to only exist in your mind, nor that the three all came from Arceus anymore than Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza do. Nor does it say anything about Darkrai and Cresselia being siblings or Giratina being their mother. This is entirely fanwank speculation on your part. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 00:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::By "power levels," I just meant that they are equally powerful. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 00:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: Again, according to this weird definition of power that depends entirely on your opinion of Pokedex entries and not anything according to game stats or anything. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 01:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes it is based on stats. Look:

'''Giratina'''

HP: 150

Attack: 100

Defense: 120

SpAtk: 100

SpDef: 120

Speed: 90

Total: 680

'''Dialga'''

HP: 100

Attack: 120

Defense: 120

SpAtk: 150

SpDef: 100

Speed: 90

Total: 680

'''Palkia'''

HP: 90

Attack: 120

Defense: 100

SpAtk: 150

SpDef: 120

Speed: 100

Total: 680

Not only do they all have the same total base stats (680) but they have the same distributions (one 150, two 120s, two 100, and one 90). This clearly shows that they are a trio. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I just noticed something kind of awkward about Palkia. You know it's in-game base HP, 90. Now look at a card scan of Palkia from the Diamond & Pearl TCG set. If you notice, they have the ''exacly the same HP''. Take an example from Shednga. In-game-1-TCG-''up to 50''.-[[User:Groudon465|Groudon465]][[Image:Ani383MS.gif]][[Image:Ani201MS.gif]] 9:40 p.m., 10 October 2007 (CT)

''Having identical stats does not make Pokemon siblings.'' Pokedex entries, flavor text, and cannon stories make Pokemon siblings. Fan assumptions do not count. '''End of story.''' --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 04:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Every single legendary trio has the same total base stats with the same distributions between stats. Therefore, my argument is valid until you can find three unrelated Pokémon that have the same base stat total with the same distribution. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 12:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all, please get it through your head that ''stats have no effect on Pokemon background or flavor information''. Second of all, easily done. Shaymin. Manaphy. Mew. Jirachi. Celebi. I guess they all come from some unnamed "mother" Pokemon as well, right? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 16:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:I said ''unrelated'' Pokémon. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:And you first said:
Again, according to this weird definition of power that depends entirely on your opinion of Pokedex entries and not anything according to game stats or anything.
:But then completely reversed it and said:
''Having identical stats does not make Pokemon siblings.'' Pokedex entries, flavor text, and cannon stories make Pokemon siblings.
:First you say that base stats are important and Pokédex entries aren't important, and then you say that base stats aren't important and Pokédex entries '''are''' important. Which is it? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:I think a more sound argument will note that all of the highest-powered legendaries of a generation typically have their stats sum to 680, as Mewtwo does, too. That doesn't imply lineage, directly anyway. Also, your argument that power doesn't increase down an "evolutionary" or other chain is disproven by Mewtwo, who is significantly more "powerful" than Mew in every canonical respect save learnset. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 12:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

:Okay. About Giratina and everything. Go compare Dialga, Palkia and Giratina's stats and level-up moves.
:Stats: 150 (1), 120 (2), 100 (2), 90 (1).
:Moves in common - Scary Face and DragonBreath at L:1.
:STAB move at 10.
:AncientPower at 20.
:Dragon Claw at 30.
:Signature move at 40.
:Heal Block at 50.
:Earth Power at 60.
:Slash at 70. (I say wtc at this one. Why Slash?!)
:Powerful STAB move at 80.
:Aura Sphere at 90.
:(Note that the ONLY differences between the movepools between the movepools is the STAB moves, and the signature moves. Coincidental? I think not.) [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 16:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It's obvious that they're related. And Giratina will be the third version mascot. However, that's a conclusion and not a fact. Still, I don't get why doesn't Giratina appear in the article anymore. Did it start a Shadow Force? If the trouble is because of classifying it as a "legendary dragon", then let's just place Giratina next to Regigigas and the others, and mention its possible relation to Dialga and Palkia while the third version doesn't appear. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:You say "It's obvious they're related." So it should be added back into the article.
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center"| [[Legendary trio]] || align="center"| [[Dragon trio|Existence trio]] || align="center"| [[Image:483.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:484.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:487.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="10"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|DragonBreath}}''' {{m|Scary Face}}
|-
| 10 || '''{{m|Metal Claw}}''' || '''{{m|Water Pulse}}''' || '''{{m|Ominous Wind}}'''
|-
| 20 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 30 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Dragon Claw}}'''
|-
| 40 || '''{{m|Roar of Time}}''' || '''{{m|Spacial Rend}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Force}}'''
|-
| 50 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Heal Block}}
|-
| 60 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Earth Power}}'''
|-
| 70 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Slash}}'''
|-
| 80 || '''{{m|Flash Cannon}}''' || '''{{m|Aqua Tail}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Claw}}'''
|-
| 90 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Aura Sphere}}'''
|}
[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 19:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

hey, i did this! by the way, giratina IS PART OF THIS TRIO. just wait till pokemon opal comes out. you'll see. there is a website if you don't believe in me: [http://PokemonOpal.com]. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 22:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm............... that link just goes to the nintendo website..........It has nothing about girantina! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 22:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I KNOW THAT! but it's strange anyway. you can see a better description here: [http://www.pokebeach.com/?start_from=70&ucat=&archive=&subaction=&id=&]. scroll down until you see Sunday - May 6th, 2007. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 23:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The guy said it was an APRIL FOOLS JOKE! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 23:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

no, he said that someone made it up and THAT was an April fools joke. still, the website still exists. And the registrant of that site (which likns to nintendo) is nintendo! think whatever you want, dude, but ever since i read this, it got stuck on my head. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 11:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:The fact that Nintendo that domain name certainly is suspicious. However, Nintendo has also filed a bunch of weird trademarks like "Pokémon Amethyst," and we shouldn't think about a website redirect so hard. It may mean absolutely nothing; for example, J.K. Rowling has a history of filing trademarks for fake Harry Potter titles.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== Problem ==

Yep, there's a problem with Giratina being part of the Dragon Trio...Guess what? It is '''not''' in the Sinnoh Pokédex! Looking at the before Sister games, you can conclude that the region's Pokédex stays the same until the defeat of the Elite Four. So, in conclusion, Giratina will NOT be in the main storyline of the sister game of Diamond and Pearl. In other words, The only Legendaries left to be the next game's mascot are the Lake Trio and Manaphy! Big Problem, right? At least Rayquaza '''and''' Suicune were in their region Pokédexes! The likeliness of a sister game to DP is low, very low...[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:Nintendo will probably come up with a way around it. Maybe the main storyline happens '''after''' you become the Champion. Or maybe, the main storyline happens before you become the Champion, but you don't get to actually catch Giratina until after you become the Champion. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

::I doubt it. Most game event take place before the elite four and the star Pokémon is usually obtainable before the elite four anyway (I used a master ball on the Rayquaza) [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Forgetting that {{p|Rayquaza}} was only obtainable after the E4? Yes, it was in Hoenn Dex.. but even then, you CAN get Pokémon not in Sinnoh Dex - for example, I did have 100 {{p|Eevee}} before the Elite Four - I just couldn't view their dex data or number. So um.. yeah, I still think it's possible ^^; I think you got Rayquaza before the E4 in {{pkmn|Emerald}}, though I'm not sure because I haven't got to that point yet. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] [[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♪]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Image:Ani281MS.gif]] 16:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::Well, yeah. I was talking bout Emerald. And it's true, Rayquaza is the star Pokémon and can be captured before the E4...[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Hmm, the regional Pokédex numeration is not so determinant IMO. They could also enlarge the Sinnoh Pokédex for the third version specifically. Since the regional Pokédex is a game-specific feature and not a file-specific feature, it's possible. Emerald took place after Ruby & Sapphire chronologically, so maybe they'll expand the Sinnoh Pokédex months/years later. Maybe the Spring Path will open right after you catch Dialga and Palkia and before you become the champion. Let Oak give you the National Pokédex when you meet every Pokémon plus Giratina. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Now that has never EVER happened before in one of the sister games. And I just had a horrible thought. Since I saw Suicune as Crystal's mascot, the next game's mastcot could be Mesprit...Okay, that gives us FIVE Pokémon...*sigh* [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:What thing never happened? ^_^' And yeah, Mesprit is like a Generation IV Suicune. With the exception that the choice of Suicune only happened in the third version (not Gold and Silver), while the peculiarities of Mesprit exist since the first two versions, before Opal. Also Ho-Oh and Lugia didn't have a Rayquaza/Giratina in their generation. Dialga rules time, Palkia rules space, and maybe Giratina rules the whole reality and is the ultimate goal of Cyrus or something. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 15:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::They have NEVER enlarged the Pokédex before...Giratina rules the underworld, maybe Cyrus want to bring back Pokémon from the dead...It's just a thought...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 02:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

== A Quartet??? ==

Just thoght I should point out that Phione, Manaphy, Heatran and Shaymin all seem to complement eachother. Could it be that they are the 1st Legendary Quartet?
:No. I have NO idea how Heatran is related to them. AT ALL. Shaymin, Phione, Manaphy all fit in the Cute category. Heatran goes in the 'I HAVE NO IDEA D8' category. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::And besides, Phione is far weaker, and Heatran has higher base stats. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, stats aside, they each represent one domains of the legendaries. Fire, Water, and Grass. Although it ''is'' a bit of a stretch, I am not talking about their relative stats, I'm talking about Pokémon Mythos. They have played a large role in shaping the world.
:But still. NONE of them have to do with the land. This is a random thought to just give an excuse to categorize (Not the Wiki Way!) the last legends that don't fit. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 22:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Manaphy is the 'Prince of the Sea' Shaymin causes Land to flourish, and creates a cleaner sky, and Heatran dwells in a volcano, hence land

There already is a quartet. Have you forgotten the four legendary golems? [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 05:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

==How many?==

How many legendary pokemons are actually are there? I mean are they one of a kind or theres more of them?? [[User:MAXDude17|MAXDude]]
:They're only one of a kind in the games (although I think that can easily be explained as "you'll probably never see such a rare Pokémon more than once). In other media (anime, manga, etc.) there's often more than one because - let's face it - it's improbable that these Pokémon wouldn't be extinct by now without a way to procreate.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

No, you may CATCH only one, but that doesn't mean that they ARE one-of-a-kind. I mean, even the Games imply that there are multitudes of legendaries, considering how Entei's Pokedex entry said that a new one is born at the same time a Volcano erupts (though pokedex entries are debatable), Brandon has all of the regis (as well as all of the three birds on gold symbol level), The Legendary Beasts were found in Orre, Fiore, and even KANTO (the last one couldn't have been the burnt tower beasts since they were still asleep by that time.), in addition to Johto, the Lati@'s Pokedex articles stated that there was more than one Lati@s, the 3 Birds were seen in Kanto and Orre, Lugia was sighted in Orre, Kanto and Johto. The same applies to Ho-Oh (though, unlike Lugia, it was never a shadow pokemon.), Celebi was seen in Orre, Fiore, and Johto (sort of), Mew was seen on mysterious Island, pokemon Island, Kanto, And Fiore, Manaphy (as well as Phione) were implied to have many in their species due to both of them being introduced as eggs, Rayquaza, Groudon, and Kyogre were all seen in both Hoenn and Fiore, and Palmer had Regigigas, Cresselia, and Heatran on his team in the second battle against him, despite the fact that Regigigas, Heatran, and Cresselia are most likely still at their places. I mean, the Only legendary pokemon that is explicitly stated to be one of a Kind (Or at least haven't had another of their species appear in the Main Pokeverse yet.) are Mewtwo (Mystery Dungeon doesn't count.), Darkrai (the upcoming Mystery dungeon sequel doesn't count), Sheimi, and Arceus.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

I don't think a legendary pokemon has to be strictly native to one region, I see nothing significant about Ho-Oh appearing in both Johto and Orre. There are definitly more then one member of legendary pokemon species, except for special cases like Palkia and such. At the same time, I don't think the fact that Palmer had legendary pokemon is significant, since most games give legendary pokemon to the last enemy trainer at the end of particular modes. (Mt. Battle, Battle Tower, Poketopia, etc.) [[User:Mesprit|Mesprit]] 18:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

== Another Giratina Comment ==

:Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe since Giratina is from another dimension that maybe it's not supposed to really be grouped with the pokemon that we know of? I mean, there could be another dimension with other pokemon, other people, and another pokemon god just as powerful as Arceus, maybe more powerful. For all we know, Giratina could be the weakest pokemon in that dimension, maybe it's the Magikarp of the dimension. But I doubt the world of pokemon is that complicated.
:p.s. can you guys checkout the [[Double Battle|Double Battle]] page and look under the article I, [[User: Kirby 3003| kirby3003]], made, "Pokemon Pairs Often Used In Double Battles". I think some of the pairs I put don't make sense or are a little too fanny, if you know what I mean...

Palkia and Dialga spend most of their time in that other demension, and since Giratina has the same base stats as them, I believe it can be safely said that he is super-powered, no matter how you look at it. [[User:Mesprit|Mesprit]] 18:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Legendary Pokémon/Archive1

2008-05-04T05:51:02Z

Buddy Christ:

What exactly are the "rules" of being a Legendary, now that Phione is considered a legendary? It doesn't seem that there are any anymore, making the whole title pretty pointless. [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 05:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Even in the anime, are Entei, Raikou, and Suicune ever thought of as gods? I thought they were spirits or embodiments of their elements.

Is Mewtwo really a Legendary? It's even less related to being a God than Raikou, Entei and Suicune, as it's just a mutant created in a laboratory. Also, in the Symphonic Medley Opening, you don't see Mewtwo coupling with the other Legendaries. Perhaps this article should be made more precise, telling the reader that Mewtwo isn't really a Legendary, but often is mentioned as a Legendary, as it has legendary powers (from mew)? What do you think? --[[User:Nyoo|nYoo]] 21:50, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I personally think it's safe to assume that Mewtwo is a legendary, but a note might be added about that. Also, how do you say legendary in Japanese? More curious than anything, it doesn't have to be added to the page -[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]]

The question is whether ''maboroshi'' and ''densetsu'' are exclusive categories. Are there any Pokémon which are ''maboroshi'' and in ''densetsu''? Some of the ''maboroshi'' Pokémon are present in ''densetsu'', such as Lugia (although a veiled reference); [[Latios]] and [[Latias]] are featured in ''densetsu'', but their species is ''mugen Pokémon'' - perhaps a roundabout self-reference to the nature of legendary Pokémon - but English species name ''Eon'' suggests a pun between 無限 (infinite) and 夢幻 (fantasy) rather than that. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:16, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I realy wonder If any trainer ever captured (or already captured) an densetsu or maboroshi? (exept Giovanni he owned mewto for a limited time)

Mewtwo is more of the ''maboroshi'' than the ''densetsu''. Determining weither or not it's 'densetsu' or not depends on which canon we use. In the Anime, the Kanto Bird Trio certainly is ''densetsu'', but in the games, they are barely mentioned, except by a few Bird Keepers.
Should the message at the bottom about the Regis have info added to include Regigigas or not? I believe that it is the sealed Pokemon that the caves in Hoenn warn about. --[[User:PikamasterADV|PikamasterADV]] 15:54, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:Interesting. I always assumed it referred to all three Gen III Regis but in the light of Diamond and Pearl that is a good possibility. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] 23:08, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

An interesting point is that DP itself uses the terms ''maboroshi'' and ''densetsu'', and this is translated into English as ''mirage'' and ''legendary'', respectively. It also seems to suggest that ''maboroshi'' is a subset of ''densetsu''. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 08:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

::Regarding this, should we mention which categories each Legendary falls under? If there's a list somewhere in Japanese? --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:45, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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I think that the [[Sinnoh Myths]] article should be merged with this one, or else the entire section on "Myths and Legends involving Legendary Pokémon" might need to be its own article (perhaps called something like "Myths and Legends of the Pokémon World" so it has greater scope?) with the Sinnoh Myths part of that. Just an idea, because I saw that it's a featured article candidate now, and the myths section looks sort of subpar. --[[User:Greengiant|Greengiant]] 02:42, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

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I think that Unown should defiantly be considered a lengendary. --[[User:Theryguy512|Ryguy]] 11:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:Like Arcanine, I suppose it could be considered as having legendary characteristics, but really, it's not legendary. Legendaries are pretty much completely defined by the fact that they are one-per-game Pokémon that are not able to breed and produce offspring that either is or can become the same species. And, of course, how many Unown can you get? A lot. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 01:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== Solaceon Ruins? ==

Should a translation of the Unown runes there be on this page? --[[User:Angerman|Angerman]] 10:18, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

== What about Absol? ==

Sometimes, aren't absol considered legendary?

:No. I've never heard of Absol being legendary, and I know a lot about Absol. :S [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 02:29, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

:I don't think they're ever considered legendary. They have appeared close to legendaries, because Absol are disaster-sensing Pokémon, and there are no bigger disasters than those caused by legendaries and their interaction with nature ;) --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Giratina ==

Since when was Giratina confirmed to have been created from Arceus? And even more pertinent, since when have Cresscelia and Darkrai been said to have been created from Giratina? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 04:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:According to the games, Arceus is the "Original One." This would mean that everything in the Pokémon world was either created by Arceus or by another Pokémon that was created by Arceus, or another Pokémon that was created by a Pokémon that was created by Arceus, and so on. Giratina is clearly too powerful to have been created by Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf, Dialga, or Palkia, so by a process of elimination, Giratina was created by Arceus. Also, [[Dragon trio|this article]] wouldn't be on Bulbapedia if Giratina wasn't recognized by everyone as being created by Arceus (I didn't start the article). Now, as for why Cresselia and Darkrai were created by Giraina. First, they were nowhere near powerful enough to be straight from Arceus. Therefore, they must either be from Dialga and Palkia, Giratina, or Uxie, Mesprit, and Azelf. Due to the fact that they essentially have nothing to do with time and space, they would have to be created by either Giratina or the Lake Trio. Since there is no mention of Cresselia or Darkrai in the legends in the Canalave Library (Giratina isn't mentioned because it was unknown), they can't have been made by the Lake Trio either. Therefore, by a process of elimination, Giratina created Cresselia and Darkrai. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 12:24, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::That's nothing but original research. None of us get the right to say something isn't "powerful enough" to be created by Arceus. Unless Game Freak/Tajiri/etc. announce any of that, you can't treat it as fact.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 12:49, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::That is entirely all speculation on your part. I'm surprised you didn't try to shove all the other Legendaries into that absurd "family tree". So did Kyogre give birth to Manaphy or did Lugia mate with Latias? *rolls eyes* And that article you linked to is about ''fan terminology'', so that isn't confirming it as fact. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:::That article I linked to says that Giratina is on an equal level (power-wise, not in-game level-wise) as Dialga and Palkia. And I didn't add the other legendaries because they, unlike Giratina, Darkrai, and Cresselia, have '''no''' proof of their relationships with other legendary Pokémon. If I was going to add an "absurd family tree" as you called it, I would have added [[User:Shiny Noctowl#The legendaries|this]] (some of the sub-relationships ''are'' confirmed, but their relationships with Gen IV haven't been confirmed yet, so I couldn't add them). --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 23:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::: No, the article you linked to just said that "The Dragon trio is a term used to refer to Giratina, Dialga, and Palkia". It doesn't say anything about these mysterious "power levels" that seem to only exist in your mind, nor that the three all came from Arceus anymore than Kyogre, Groudon, and Rayquaza do. Nor does it say anything about Darkrai and Cresselia being siblings or Giratina being their mother. This is entirely fanwank speculation on your part. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 00:29, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::By "power levels," I just meant that they are equally powerful. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 00:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:::: Again, according to this weird definition of power that depends entirely on your opinion of Pokedex entries and not anything according to game stats or anything. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 01:15, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Yes it is based on stats. Look:

'''Giratina'''

HP: 150

Attack: 100

Defense: 120

SpAtk: 100

SpDef: 120

Speed: 90

Total: 680

'''Dialga'''

HP: 100

Attack: 120

Defense: 120

SpAtk: 150

SpDef: 100

Speed: 90

Total: 680

'''Palkia'''

HP: 90

Attack: 120

Defense: 100

SpAtk: 150

SpDef: 120

Speed: 100

Total: 680

Not only do they all have the same total base stats (680) but they have the same distributions (one 150, two 120s, two 100, and one 90). This clearly shows that they are a trio. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:25, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey, I just noticed something kind of awkward about Palkia. You know it's in-game base HP, 90. Now look at a card scan of Palkia from the Diamond & Pearl TCG set. If you notice, they have the ''exacly the same HP''. Take an example from Shednga. In-game-1-TCG-''up to 50''.-[[User:Groudon465|Groudon465]][[Image:Ani383MS.gif]][[Image:Ani201MS.gif]] 9:40 p.m., 10 October 2007 (CT)

''Having identical stats does not make Pokemon siblings.'' Pokedex entries, flavor text, and cannon stories make Pokemon siblings. Fan assumptions do not count. '''End of story.''' --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 04:41, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Every single legendary trio has the same total base stats with the same distributions between stats. Therefore, my argument is valid until you can find three unrelated Pokémon that have the same base stat total with the same distribution. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 12:23, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all, please get it through your head that ''stats have no effect on Pokemon background or flavor information''. Second of all, easily done. Shaymin. Manaphy. Mew. Jirachi. Celebi. I guess they all come from some unnamed "mother" Pokemon as well, right? --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 16:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
:I said ''unrelated'' Pokémon. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:And you first said:
Again, according to this weird definition of power that depends entirely on your opinion of Pokedex entries and not anything according to game stats or anything.
:But then completely reversed it and said:
''Having identical stats does not make Pokemon siblings.'' Pokedex entries, flavor text, and cannon stories make Pokemon siblings.
:First you say that base stats are important and Pokédex entries aren't important, and then you say that base stats aren't important and Pokédex entries '''are''' important. Which is it? --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani164MS.gif]] 01:35, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:I think a more sound argument will note that all of the highest-powered legendaries of a generation typically have their stats sum to 680, as Mewtwo does, too. That doesn't imply lineage, directly anyway. Also, your argument that power doesn't increase down an "evolutionary" or other chain is disproven by Mewtwo, who is significantly more "powerful" than Mew in every canonical respect save learnset. [[User:Evkl|evkl]] 12:56, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

:Okay. About Giratina and everything. Go compare Dialga, Palkia and Giratina's stats and level-up moves.
:Stats: 150 (1), 120 (2), 100 (2), 90 (1).
:Moves in common - Scary Face and DragonBreath at L:1.
:STAB move at 10.
:AncientPower at 20.
:Dragon Claw at 30.
:Signature move at 40.
:Heal Block at 50.
:Earth Power at 60.
:Slash at 70. (I say wtc at this one. Why Slash?!)
:Powerful STAB move at 80.
:Aura Sphere at 90.
:(Note that the ONLY differences between the movepools between the movepools is the STAB moves, and the signature moves. Coincidental? I think not.) [[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|The]][[Kirlia (Pokémon)|Kirlia]] ♥ [[Image:281MS.gif]] 16:45, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

It's obvious that they're related. And Giratina will be the third version mascot. However, that's a conclusion and not a fact. Still, I don't get why doesn't Giratina appear in the article anymore. Did it start a Shadow Force? If the trouble is because of classifying it as a "legendary dragon", then let's just place Giratina next to Regigigas and the others, and mention its possible relation to Dialga and Palkia while the third version doesn't appear. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 17:24, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
:You say "It's obvious they're related." So it should be added back into the article.
{| border="1" cellpadding="5" cellspacing="0"
| align="center"| [[Legendary trio]] || align="center"| [[Dragon trio|Existence trio]] || align="center"| [[Image:483.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:484.png]] || align="center"| [[Image:487.png]]
|-
| align="center" rowspan="10"| Attacks (Attacks in '''bold''' do direct damage) || Start || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|DragonBreath}}''' {{m|Scary Face}}
|-
| 10 || '''{{m|Metal Claw}}''' || '''{{m|Water Pulse}}''' || '''{{m|Ominous Wind}}'''
|-
| 20 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|AncientPower}}'''
|-
| 30 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Dragon Claw}}'''
|-
| 40 || '''{{m|Roar of Time}}''' || '''{{m|Spacial Rend}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Force}}'''
|-
| 50 || colspan="3" align="center"| {{m|Heal Block}}
|-
| 60 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Earth Power}}'''
|-
| 70 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Slash}}'''
|-
| 80 || '''{{m|Flash Cannon}}''' || '''{{m|Aqua Tail}}''' || '''{{m|Shadow Claw}}'''
|-
| 90 || colspan="3" align="center"| '''{{m|Aura Sphere}}'''
|}
[[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 19:27, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

hey, i did this! by the way, giratina IS PART OF THIS TRIO. just wait till pokemon opal comes out. you'll see. there is a website if you don't believe in me: [http://PokemonOpal.com]. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 22:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm............... that link just goes to the nintendo website..........It has nothing about girantina! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 22:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I KNOW THAT! but it's strange anyway. you can see a better description here: [http://www.pokebeach.com/?start_from=70&ucat=&archive=&subaction=&id=&]. scroll down until you see Sunday - May 6th, 2007. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 23:11, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

The guy said it was an APRIL FOOLS JOKE! --[[Image:Spr 3e 115.gif]][[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy512]][[Image:Spr 3e 202.gif]][[Image:Spr 3e 327.gif]] 23:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

no, he said that someone made it up and THAT was an April fools joke. still, the website still exists. And the registrant of that site (which likns to nintendo) is nintendo! think whatever you want, dude, but ever since i read this, it got stuck on my head. [[Image:Spr_4d_480_s.png|30px|Who does this guy think he is?]]'''[[User:Uxie wisdom|Uxie wisdom]]'''[[User talk:Uxie wisdom|Talk]] | [[User:Uxie wisdom/Legendaries|Legendaries]]''' 11:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
:The fact that Nintendo that domain name certainly is suspicious. However, Nintendo has also filed a bunch of weird trademarks like "Pokémon Amethyst," and we shouldn't think about a website redirect so hard. It may mean absolutely nothing; for example, J.K. Rowling has a history of filing trademarks for fake Harry Potter titles.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 22:18, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== Problem ==

Yep, there's a problem with Giratina being part of the Dragon Trio...Guess what? It is '''not''' in the Sinnoh Pokédex! Looking at the before Sister games, you can conclude that the region's Pokédex stays the same until the defeat of the Elite Four. So, in conclusion, Giratina will NOT be in the main storyline of the sister game of Diamond and Pearl. In other words, The only Legendaries left to be the next game's mascot are the Lake Trio and Manaphy! Big Problem, right? At least Rayquaza '''and''' Suicune were in their region Pokédexes! The likeliness of a sister game to DP is low, very low...[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:Nintendo will probably come up with a way around it. Maybe the main storyline happens '''after''' you become the Champion. Or maybe, the main storyline happens before you become the Champion, but you don't get to actually catch Giratina until after you become the Champion. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:26, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

::I doubt it. Most game event take place before the elite four and the star Pokémon is usually obtainable before the elite four anyway (I used a master ball on the Rayquaza) [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 12:30, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Forgetting that {{p|Rayquaza}} was only obtainable after the E4? Yes, it was in Hoenn Dex.. but even then, you CAN get Pokémon not in Sinnoh Dex - for example, I did have 100 {{p|Eevee}} before the Elite Four - I just couldn't view their dex data or number. So um.. yeah, I still think it's possible ^^; I think you got Rayquaza before the E4 in {{pkmn|Emerald}}, though I'm not sure because I haven't got to that point yet. [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] [[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♪]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Image:Ani281MS.gif]] 16:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::Well, yeah. I was talking bout Emerald. And it's true, Rayquaza is the star Pokémon and can be captured before the E4...[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:40, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Hmm, the regional Pokédex numeration is not so determinant IMO. They could also enlarge the Sinnoh Pokédex for the third version specifically. Since the regional Pokédex is a game-specific feature and not a file-specific feature, it's possible. Emerald took place after Ruby & Sapphire chronologically, so maybe they'll expand the Sinnoh Pokédex months/years later. Maybe the Spring Path will open right after you catch Dialga and Palkia and before you become the champion. Let Oak give you the National Pokédex when you meet every Pokémon plus Giratina. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:24, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Now that has never EVER happened before in one of the sister games. And I just had a horrible thought. Since I saw Suicune as Crystal's mascot, the next game's mastcot could be Mesprit...Okay, that gives us FIVE Pokémon...*sigh* [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 09:10, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:What thing never happened? ^_^' And yeah, Mesprit is like a Generation IV Suicune. With the exception that the choice of Suicune only happened in the third version (not Gold and Silver), while the peculiarities of Mesprit exist since the first two versions, before Opal. Also Ho-Oh and Lugia didn't have a Rayquaza/Giratina in their generation. Dialga rules time, Palkia rules space, and maybe Giratina rules the whole reality and is the ultimate goal of Cyrus or something. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 15:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

::They have NEVER enlarged the Pokédex before...Giratina rules the underworld, maybe Cyrus want to bring back Pokémon from the dead...It's just a thought...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 02:14, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

== A Quartet??? ==

Just thoght I should point out that Phione, Manaphy, Heatran and Shaymin all seem to complement eachother. Could it be that they are the 1st Legendary Quartet?
:No. I have NO idea how Heatran is related to them. AT ALL. Shaymin, Phione, Manaphy all fit in the Cute category. Heatran goes in the 'I HAVE NO IDEA D8' category. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 01:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::And besides, Phione is far weaker, and Heatran has higher base stats. [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|?]][[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|!]] 01:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, stats aside, they each represent one domains of the legendaries. Fire, Water, and Grass. Although it ''is'' a bit of a stretch, I am not talking about their relative stats, I'm talking about Pokémon Mythos. They have played a large role in shaping the world.
:But still. NONE of them have to do with the land. This is a random thought to just give an excuse to categorize (Not the Wiki Way!) the last legends that don't fit. {{ani|281}}[[User:TinaTheKirlia|Tina]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Favorites|♥]][[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♫]][http://freewebs.com/thepixelcafe δ]{{ani|282}} 22:43, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
Manaphy is the 'Prince of the Sea' Shaymin causes Land to flourish, and creates a cleaner sky, and Heatran dwells in a volcano, hence land

==How many?==

How many legendary pokemons are actually are there? I mean are they one of a kind or theres more of them?? [[User:MAXDude17|MAXDude]]
:They're only one of a kind in the games (although I think that can easily be explained as "you'll probably never see such a rare Pokémon more than once). In other media (anime, manga, etc.) there's often more than one because - let's face it - it's improbable that these Pokémon wouldn't be extinct by now without a way to procreate.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:51, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

No, you may CATCH only one, but that doesn't mean that they ARE one-of-a-kind. I mean, even the Games imply that there are multitudes of legendaries, considering how Entei's Pokedex entry said that a new one is born at the same time a Volcano erupts (though pokedex entries are debatable), Brandon has all of the regis (as well as all of the three birds on gold symbol level), The Legendary Beasts were found in Orre, Fiore, and even KANTO (the last one couldn't have been the burnt tower beasts since they were still asleep by that time.), in addition to Johto, the Lati@'s Pokedex articles stated that there was more than one Lati@s, the 3 Birds were seen in Kanto and Orre, Lugia was sighted in Orre, Kanto and Johto. The same applies to Ho-Oh (though, unlike Lugia, it was never a shadow pokemon.), Celebi was seen in Orre, Fiore, and Johto (sort of), Mew was seen on mysterious Island, pokemon Island, Kanto, And Fiore, Manaphy (as well as Phione) were implied to have many in their species due to both of them being introduced as eggs, Rayquaza, Groudon, and Kyogre were all seen in both Hoenn and Fiore, and Palmer had Regigigas, Cresselia, and Heatran on his team in the second battle against him, despite the fact that Regigigas, Heatran, and Cresselia are most likely still at their places. I mean, the Only legendary pokemon that is explicitly stated to be one of a Kind (Or at least haven't had another of their species appear in the Main Pokeverse yet.) are Mewtwo (Mystery Dungeon doesn't count.), Darkrai (the upcoming Mystery dungeon sequel doesn't count), Sheimi, and Arceus.

~~Weedle_McHairybug~~

I don't think a legendary pokemon has to be strictly native to one region, I see nothing significant about Ho-Oh appearing in both Johto and Orre. There are definitly more then one member of legendary pokemon species, except for special cases like Palkia and such. At the same time, I don't think the fact that Palmer had legendary pokemon is significant, since most games give legendary pokemon to the last enemy trainer at the end of particular modes. (Mt. Battle, Battle Tower, Poketopia, etc.) [[User:Mesprit|Mesprit]] 18:29, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

== Another Giratina Comment ==

:Has it ever occurred to anyone that maybe since Giratina is from another dimension that maybe it's not supposed to really be grouped with the pokemon that we know of? I mean, there could be another dimension with other pokemon, other people, and another pokemon god just as powerful as Arceus, maybe more powerful. For all we know, Giratina could be the weakest pokemon in that dimension, maybe it's the Magikarp of the dimension. But I doubt the world of pokemon is that complicated.
:p.s. can you guys checkout the [[Double Battle|Double Battle]] page and look under the article I, [[User: Kirby 3003| kirby3003]], made, "Pokemon Pairs Often Used In Double Battles". I think some of the pairs I put don't make sense or are a little too fanny, if you know what I mean...

Palkia and Dialga spend most of their time in that other demension, and since Giratina has the same base stats as them, I believe it can be safely said that he is super-powered, no matter how you look at it. [[User:Mesprit|Mesprit]] 18:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Deoxys (Pokémon)

2008-04-26T03:03:08Z

Buddy Christ:

== Deoxys' hand?==

Why does Deoxys have a hand in his sprite, but in his artowrk he just has tentacles? [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 03:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

== Missingno. ==

I'm not quite sure in {{p|Deoxys}} is supposed to be based of Missingno. or not. Even my {{p|Jirachi}}-is based-off-the-Beanstar theory manages to mak more sense then that.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 13:33, 6 September 2005 (CDT)

:Oh, puh-leeze. Deoxys is not based off [[Missingno.]] I should know, I'm the self-proclaimed expert on Deoxys. (the key word there being self-proclaimed.) -- [[User:PinkDeoxys|PinkDeoxys]] 15:34, 8 January 2006 (CST)

::Not that I added it to the article, but I do somewhat agree that it shares a few traits... the call, kind of... It's like Hypno sounds like Jynx when sped up, only Deoxys you have to play backwards and sped up to make it sound like Missingno.. And the southern island thing. But I dunno, mostly it's just fan speculation unless we go and ask the designers ourselves. Not that I'd imagine they forgot about Missingno. entirely. [[User:TTEchidna|Tom Temprotran]] 06:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

== Location ==

How do you obtain Deoxys? Where is it? Also, how do you obtain Jirachi or Mew?

:Deoxys requires the ticket(forgot the name). On an island. Jirachi is the Colo bonus disk. Mew requires the old sea chart.

:The ticket is called the Aurora Ticket. It was given out at Pokémon Rocks America 2004. -- [[User:PinkDeoxys|PinkDeoxys]] 15:30, 8 January 2006 (CST)

IMO, I think Deoxys is based on it's namesake, DNA. or else viruses, with are just coated proteins like DNA.

:Deoxys is based off '''Deoxy'''riboneucleic (did I spell that right?) acid, or DNA. Its forms, '''D'''efense, '''N'''ormal, and '''A'''ttack, form the word DNA. The '''S''' in '''S'''peed is the last letter of its name. -- [[User:PinkDeoxys|PinkDeoxys]] 15:30, 8 January 2006 (CST)

== Transfer from Wikipedia ==

(Just like the exodus of german scientists to America during World War II!)
Since the Wikipedia pokemon articles are in danger of being deleted, I made it my duty to add the info to the Bulbapedia articles from Wikipedia, starting with this one!!!
[[User:MudkipNDS|MudkipNDS]] 19:25, 19 July 2007 (UTC)mkds
:No worries, you don't have to be so frantic. The old pages are just being ''redirected''; you'll always be able to find old versions of the page through the "history" tab at the top of the page.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 19:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

==Eggs==
It says "no eggs" for the egg group yet specifies a number of steps to hatch. Huh?--[[User:SomeoneIKnew|SomeoneIKnew]] 20:06, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
:While it ''is'' impossible for a Deoxys egg to exist, every species was given a number of steps to hatch; this information was found through hacking probably. In most cases, impossible eggs are given a ludicrous number of steps anyway.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 21:13, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
::It's not impossible to have it, you just have to hack it. But yes, the hatching steps do come from game data. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 04:15, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

== D/P Back sprite ==

Is it just me or that back sprite looks a little... glitchy? Cause it isn't usual to have a brightly colored outline and then darker colors and shading, but meh. :P [[User:TinaTheKirlia|TinaTheKirlia]] [[User talk:TinaTheKirlia|♪]][[User:TinaTheKirlia/Sandbox|☆]][[Image:Ani281MS.gif]] 16:57, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
:Looks as if it was cropped out of a move picture, with a move that slightly changed the area around it. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 18:29, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

== Possible Error? ==

My Deoxys is in Attack Form, hit Level 33, and learned Pursuit. The movelist says it should have learned Spikes (which I wanted). Is the movelist wrong? [[User:Inker|Inker]] 07:41, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
:You sure it's in Attack form? The other three learn it at 33, so you might be mistaking the form. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 08:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
::That was indeed an error, and has now been corrected. For the record, this also applies to Taunt, which is Defense Deoxys' exclusive move, rather than Attack Deoxys' (it learns Knock Off along with the other two).

::Whoever got the movelist wrong must have done so because he expected the three non-Normal forms to each have four exclusive moves. In truth, Attack Deoxys has two such moves (Superpower and Zap Cannon), Defense Deoxys - six (Spikes, Taunt, Iron Defense, Amnesia, Counter and Mirror Coat), and Speed Deoxys - four (Double Team, Swift, Agility and ExtremeSpeed). --[[User:Unown Lord|Unown Lord]] 16:21, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

== Shiny Artwork ==

I just uploaded the shiny artwork for Deoxys, but I'm stuck for placs to put it. [[Image:ShinyDeoxys.png]] <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 21:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:..{{tt|he|Ken Sugimori, btw.}} made shiny Deoxys artwork? ..interesting. :0 [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I've actually found all of the shiny artwork... <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 21:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:Ooo.. link please? [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 21:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... It's basically just another Pokémon site. Oh and just to let you know it's in french. [http://www.pokebip.com Pokebip] <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 22:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok... I told a white lie... No ''all'' of the Shiny Artwork, but some. XD <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 22:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:Lol. Seems like it's just recolored in Photoshop or something though, but it's cool to look at :0 [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 22:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I like how they have the sprite image halfway through the animation. <big>{{ani|486}}[[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']]{{ani|377}}[[User Talk:Tesh|'''TALK''']]{{ani|378}}[[User:Tesh/Other|'''FUN''']]{{ani|379}}</big> 22:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:Umm that Shiny art orginally came from [http://www.pokebeach.com Poke Beach]. --[[Image:Ani048MS.gif]]'''[[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]]'''[[Image:Ani183MS.gif]]'''[[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]]'''[[Image:Ani123MS.gif]] 22:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
:They're all just shooped. No need for shiny Sugimori art of all of these things. The normal art and shiny sprites suffice. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 03:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

== Youtube Fake video ==
I've seen a youtube video that shows a trainer catching it in pokemon ruby [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y11P54qgUwo&feature=related] this video is obviously fake, cause it's a pokemon FireRed hack and the battle script is the same as Ho-oh, but the video ends just as the battle begins. This guy has tricked so many people to do what they see in the video.

should be added info on this? [[User:Hfc2x|Hfc2x]] 16:50, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
:There's no need to add information on every fan-made video posted, let alone this one in particular. There are tons of videos just like this on YouTube alone. // [[User talk:Szayel Aporro|'''''SzayelAporroGranz''''']][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 19:21, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Shedinja (Pokémon)

2008-04-22T22:44:15Z

Buddy Christ: /* Breeding */

== HP ==

Does the HP of Shedinja ever raise above one with leveling?

Nope. It stays 1 forever. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

== Best type? ==

Due to Shedinja's ability, Wonder Guard, is there any combined set of types that would leave it immune to damage (not counting status-affecting moves and weather)? [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 15:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:Dark/Ghost and Ghost/Dark, the types of {{p|Spiritomb}} and {{p|Sableye}}, combine to have no weakness (except when Foresight, Odor Sleuth, and/or Miracle Eye are used). Neither of them have Wonder Guard, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks, after finally catching a Spiritomb I figured this out for myself! [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 08:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

== Poke ball ==

Ive tried evolving a nincada twice in my diamond game and it only gave me a shedinja the second time after id bought a poke ball, in both instances i had a spare space in my party.
Perhaps you only need a poke ball in diamond/pearl?
:I've always done it with an extra Pokéball. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 08:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::I was wondering because in the trivia section it states that one isnt needed. --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:02, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Then where does the Pokéball in my inventory go once I've obtained Shedinja, hmm? --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 09:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Presicely, I just thought it might be better to start a discussion on it first than just deleting the text. --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::You're wrong. I just tested it out. I got a Nincada in my party with an extra slot. I didn't have any Poké balls. When it evolved, I still got a Shedinja. If a Poké ball dissapears when you get a Shedinja then you're being ripped off. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 09:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::What game are you playing? I said that i tried it with a pokeball and without and it only works with. This is on Diamond --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::This is Emerald. I don't know. Maybe the mechanics are different in in Diamond. But you definetly don't need a Poké Ball in Emerald.
::::::::Hopefully that edit covers it all :) --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::We may want to clarify that the Poké Ball needed must be an actual Poké Ball and not any other type of Ball, eg. Great Ball, Net Ball, or Dusk Ball. [[User:ESeamus|ESeamus]] 07:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== Recent Edit ==

Is the whole thing about the hole in the back being visible needed? I mean, of course it's going to be visible, your looking at it from a behind perspective, AND it is a video game, they don't steal your soul. --[[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 18:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, how it appears in the anime would be way more realistic. You're right, if you die in a bloody video for example, or get hurt, you're perfectly fine in real life. So I think that trivia is pretty pointless, it's not like it's a goof. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 11:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's wrong because you have to look insde the hole, not look at it from afar. the back sprite shows it from afar, whereas if you wanted your soul to be stolen, you would have to put your eye up close to Shedinja... XD. I'll remove it. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 11:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I removed it weeks ago... somebody must have added it again...[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']] 11:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding ==

If you breed a Shedinja with a Ditto, will you get a Nincada or another Shedinja? It doesn't say anywhere on the page. Since Shedinja is just Nincada's old exoskeleton brought to life, it would be weird if it could produce a whole new Nincada on its own. - [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 22:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:Last time I checked Shedinja doesn't have a gender, and I somehow doubt that a Ditto can breed the genderless as it has gender last time I remember. You can prove me wrong, it has been a long time since I last checked. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Shedinja (Pokémon)

2008-04-22T22:44:04Z

Buddy Christ: /* Breeding */

== HP ==

Does the HP of Shedinja ever raise above one with leveling?

Nope. It stays 1 forever. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

== Best type? ==

Due to Shedinja's ability, Wonder Guard, is there any combined set of types that would leave it immune to damage (not counting status-affecting moves and weather)? [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 15:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:Dark/Ghost and Ghost/Dark, the types of {{p|Spiritomb}} and {{p|Sableye}}, combine to have no weakness (except when Foresight, Odor Sleuth, and/or Miracle Eye are used). Neither of them have Wonder Guard, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks, after finally catching a Spiritomb I figured this out for myself! [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 08:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

== Poke ball ==

Ive tried evolving a nincada twice in my diamond game and it only gave me a shedinja the second time after id bought a poke ball, in both instances i had a spare space in my party.
Perhaps you only need a poke ball in diamond/pearl?
:I've always done it with an extra Pokéball. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 08:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::I was wondering because in the trivia section it states that one isnt needed. --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:02, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Then where does the Pokéball in my inventory go once I've obtained Shedinja, hmm? --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 09:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Presicely, I just thought it might be better to start a discussion on it first than just deleting the text. --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::You're wrong. I just tested it out. I got a Nincada in my party with an extra slot. I didn't have any Poké balls. When it evolved, I still got a Shedinja. If a Poké ball dissapears when you get a Shedinja then you're being ripped off. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 09:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::What game are you playing? I said that i tried it with a pokeball and without and it only works with. This is on Diamond --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::This is Emerald. I don't know. Maybe the mechanics are different in in Diamond. But you definetly don't need a Poké Ball in Emerald.
::::::::Hopefully that edit covers it all :) --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::We may want to clarify that the Poké Ball needed must be an actual Poké Ball and not any other type of Ball, eg. Great Ball, Net Ball, or Dusk Ball. [[User:ESeamus|ESeamus]] 07:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== Recent Edit ==

Is the whole thing about the hole in the back being visible needed? I mean, of course it's going to be visible, your looking at it from a behind perspective, AND it is a video game, they don't steal your soul. --[[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 18:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, how it appears in the anime would be way more realistic. You're right, if you die in a bloody video for example, or get hurt, you're perfectly fine in real life. So I think that trivia is pretty pointless, it's not like it's a goof. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 11:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's wrong because you have to look insde the hole, not look at it from afar. the back sprite shows it from afar, whereas if you wanted your soul to be stolen, you would have to put your eye up close to Shedinja... XD. I'll remove it. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 11:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I removed it weeks ago... somebody must have added it again...[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']] 11:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== Breeding ==

If you breed a Shedinja with a Ditto, will you get a Nincada or another Shedinja? It doesn't say anywhere on the page. Since Shedinja is just Nincada's old exoskeleton brought to life, it would be weird if it could produce a whole new Nincada on its own. [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 22:44, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:Last time I checked Shedinja doesn't have a gender, and I somehow doubt that a Ditto can breed the genderless as it has gender last time I remember. You can prove me wrong, it has been a long time since I last checked. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 22:32, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Nosepass (Pokémon)

2008-04-22T22:42:14Z

Buddy Christ: /* Common? */

==Common?==

Why does this article say that Nosepass is common in Ruby and Sapphire? There are only seven rocks that it can be found in, and it hardly ever appears when you break those rocks (usually nothing appears, when something does appear it's usually Geodude). This part of the article is kind of misleading, so I think it should be fixed. - [[User:Buddy Christ|Buddy Christ]] 22:42, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

==Rock Smash==
How do you get Nosepass through Rock Smash? [[User:GlalieGuy|GlalieGuy]] 19:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:You can break certain rocks with Rock Smash. Sometimes they turn out to be Nosepass or Geodude. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
::It has to be the rocks in the bottom level of Granite Cave that you break, or else you will always get Geodude. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[User:Shiny Noctowl/Trivia|Trivia quiz]][[Image:224MS.gif]] 20:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Buddy Christ

2008-04-22T22:41:08Z

Buddy Christ: /* Signing */

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2008-04-22T22:40:03Z

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2008-04-22T22:39:50Z

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Talk:Nosepass (Pokémon)

2008-04-22T22:38:29Z

Buddy Christ: /* Rock Smash */

==Common?==

Why does this article say that Nosepass is common in Ruby and Sapphire? There are only seven rocks that it can be found in, and it hardly ever appears when you break those rocks (usually nothing appears, when something does appear it's usually Geodude). This part of the article is misleading for people trying to complete their pokedex, so I think it should be fixed. - Buddy Christ

==Rock Smash==
How do you get Nosepass through Rock Smash? [[User:GlalieGuy|GlalieGuy]] 19:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:You can break certain rocks with Rock Smash. Sometimes they turn out to be Nosepass or Geodude. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
::It has to be the rocks in the bottom level of Granite Cave that you break, or else you will always get Geodude. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[User:Shiny Noctowl/Trivia|Trivia quiz]][[Image:224MS.gif]] 20:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Nosepass (Pokémon)

2008-04-22T22:38:20Z

Buddy Christ: /* Common? */

==Rock Smash==
How do you get Nosepass through Rock Smash? [[User:GlalieGuy|GlalieGuy]] 19:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:You can break certain rocks with Rock Smash. Sometimes they turn out to be Nosepass or Geodude. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:14, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
::It has to be the rocks in the bottom level of Granite Cave that you break, or else you will always get Geodude. --[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]]|[[User:Shiny Noctowl/Trivia|Trivia quiz]][[Image:224MS.gif]] 20:47, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Shedinja (Pokémon)

2008-04-22T22:29:48Z

Buddy Christ:

== Breeding ==

If you breed a Shedinja with a Ditto, will you get a Nincada or another Shedinja? It doesn't say anywhere on the page. Since Shedinja is just Nincada's old exoskeleton brought to life, it would be weird if it could produce a whole new Nincada on its own. - Buddy Christ

== HP ==

Does the HP of Shedinja ever raise above one with leveling?

Nope. It stays 1 forever. --[[User:Zeta|Zeta]] 19:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

== Best type? ==

Due to Shedinja's ability, Wonder Guard, is there any combined set of types that would leave it immune to damage (not counting status-affecting moves and weather)? [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 15:18, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:Dark/Ghost and Ghost/Dark, the types of {{p|Spiritomb}} and {{p|Sableye}}, combine to have no weakness (except when Foresight, Odor Sleuth, and/or Miracle Eye are used). Neither of them have Wonder Guard, though. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 03:09, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
::Thanks, after finally catching a Spiritomb I figured this out for myself! [[User:Casmith 789|Casmith 789]] 08:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

== Poke ball ==

Ive tried evolving a nincada twice in my diamond game and it only gave me a shedinja the second time after id bought a poke ball, in both instances i had a spare space in my party.
Perhaps you only need a poke ball in diamond/pearl?
:I've always done it with an extra Pokéball. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 08:59, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::I was wondering because in the trivia section it states that one isnt needed. --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:02, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Then where does the Pokéball in my inventory go once I've obtained Shedinja, hmm? --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 09:09, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::::Presicely, I just thought it might be better to start a discussion on it first than just deleting the text. --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:11, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::You're wrong. I just tested it out. I got a Nincada in my party with an extra slot. I didn't have any Poké balls. When it evolved, I still got a Shedinja. If a Poké ball dissapears when you get a Shedinja then you're being ripped off. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 09:20, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::What game are you playing? I said that i tried it with a pokeball and without and it only works with. This is on Diamond --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::This is Emerald. I don't know. Maybe the mechanics are different in in Diamond. But you definetly don't need a Poké Ball in Emerald.
::::::::Hopefully that edit covers it all :) --[[User:Itxi|Itxi]] 09:36, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::We may want to clarify that the Poké Ball needed must be an actual Poké Ball and not any other type of Ball, eg. Great Ball, Net Ball, or Dusk Ball. [[User:ESeamus|ESeamus]] 07:41, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

== Recent Edit ==

Is the whole thing about the hole in the back being visible needed? I mean, of course it's going to be visible, your looking at it from a behind perspective, AND it is a video game, they don't steal your soul. --[[User:Midnight Celtic|Midnight Celtic]] 18:39, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:Well, how it appears in the anime would be way more realistic. You're right, if you die in a bloody video for example, or get hurt, you're perfectly fine in real life. So I think that trivia is pretty pointless, it's not like it's a goof. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 11:20, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's wrong because you have to look insde the hole, not look at it from afar. the back sprite shows it from afar, whereas if you wanted your soul to be stolen, you would have to put your eye up close to Shedinja... XD. I'll remove it. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 11:34, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I removed it weeks ago... somebody must have added it again...[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']] 11:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Megahorn (move)

2008-04-20T05:01:33Z

Buddy Christ:

Something about this move has always bothered me... The fact that it's a bug-type move using horns, yet there's no way for a Pinsir to learn it. Not even by breeding. Doesn't anyone else find that bothersome? --[[User:Someone Else|Someone Else]] 19:50, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Pisnir has less horns than pinsirs...--{{Ani|336}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Darth''']]{{Ani|157}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|'''Cookie''']]{{Ani|168}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/Trade with Me|'''Monster''']]{{Ani|141}} 19:57, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Ariados has a horn though. One wonders why it can't learn Megahorn. - Buddy

User talk:Buddy Christ

2008-04-19T03:20:56Z

Buddy Christ: Removing all content from page

Talk:Mr. Mime (Pokémon)

2008-04-19T03:10:02Z

Buddy Christ: /* Mr. Mime's unfixed gender */

Aren't the 3 new Pokémon's relationships confirmed?
This page says it's only a theory. - [[User:MTC|MTC]]

There's nothing in the source materials I've seen that explicitly confirms it, but in two out of three cases, it's quite obvious, and in the third (this one), it seems quite likely. - [[User:Murgatroyd|Murgatroyd]]

I agree that [[Mime Jr. (Pokémon)|Manene]] is the pre-evolved form of {{p|Mr. Mime}}.

It's confirmed now. Somewhere. I can't remember. - [[User:Zhen Lin|振霖]][[User talk:Zhen Lin|T]] 23:28, 12 Aug 2005 (CDT)

It was confirmed in CoroCoro. I have the specific issue (I think it's July). --[[User:Argy|Argy]] 23:00, 13 Aug 2005 (CDT)

Talk:Mr. Mime (Pokémon)

2008-04-19T03:09:30Z

Buddy Christ:

Talk:Magikarp (Pokémon)

2008-04-19T03:02:32Z

Buddy Christ:

Does the Magikarp from the Magikarp salesman in the Pokémon Center by Mt. Moon have any advantages over a regular Magikarp? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 00:50, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, you don't need to bother fishing? :P --[[User: Vladek|Vladek]]

:Yeah, and by fishing you waste {{PDollar}}200, while an estimate (to me) the idiot sells you Magikarp for {{PDollar}}500...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 10:46, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
::But does it have any other advantages, besides not having to fish? [[Image:Ani164MS.gif]][[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani408MS.gif]][[Image:Ani410MS.gif]] 12:20, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I really doubt that, and I think that the scammer shown in the anime that keeps on selling Magikarp is based on that guy. [[User:TheBlazikenMaster|TheBlazikenMaster]] 21:03, 26 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, that Magikarp really doesn't have any advantages both in the animé and in the game, as far as I tested. The stats are the same <strike>useless</strike> ones, and the animé one is useless, as far as James is concerned. XD [[User:Sang'gre Habagat|Sang'gre Habagat]]
:::::Well, remember. You can't get the Old Rod until Vermilion, you spend at least {{PDollar}}200 on Poké Balls, which don't have a sure chance of nabbing it, and then you have to train that Magikarp while training for an upcoming match with a {{type2|Electric}} Gym Leader. So yes, there is an advantage. You get all of the extra time to train the Karp. '''[[User:TTEchidna|TTE]][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:40, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::Haha. You've got a point, TTEchidna. ^^ [[User:Sang'gre Habagat|Sang'gre Habagat]] 07:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::It is done so you can get Gyarados before getting the fishing rod. [[Image:Ani493MS.gif]][[User:ZanderX|Zander]][[Image:Ani493MS.gif]] 12:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Rarity

2008-04-19T02:53:29Z

Buddy Christ: New page: What about "Very rare"? Some pokemon, like Wailord, are listed as "Very rare" on this site, but this page doesn't mention it. - Buddy Christ

What about "Very rare"? Some pokemon, like Wailord, are listed as "Very rare" on this site, but this page doesn't mention it. - Buddy Christ

Talk:Gligar (Pokémon)

2008-04-18T22:33:53Z

Buddy Christ:

There is an error in the trivia section. One of the trivia segments states that Gligar and Gliscor are the only dual-type pokemon that are immune to their own type, however Vibrava, Flygon, Baltoy, and Claydol are all dual type and are all immune to their own ground type thanks to their ability, Levitate. - Buddy Christ
:I assume why this hasn't been fixed before is that it probably means without abilities, but eh. [[User:Tina|{{color|E75480|Tina}}]][[Special:Contributions/Tina|{{color|E75480|☆}}]][[User talk:Tina|{{color|E75480|♫}}]] 20:05, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah. Certainly, Vibrava and Flygon are invulnerable to Ground due to Levitate, but not due to Dragon. Same with Baltoy and Claydol, since Psychic doesn't have immunity from Ground. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:23, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Then shouldn't the trivia be more specific? It doesn't say that they are the only two pokemon who have one type that is immune to their other type, just that they are the only pokemon immune to their own type. - Buddy Christ

Talk:Ledian (Pokémon)

2008-04-18T22:13:35Z

Buddy Christ:

Heeey I thought I was gonna do ledian =P[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 14:57, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

you can always make it like, worth reading. =p
[[User:Evkl|Evkl]] 16:09, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hey, would it be okay if I summarize what most people use Ledian for and stuff? Or put standard movesets or something? [[User:Surskitty|surskitty]] 17:58, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No, those are gonna be for something else on BMG. We want encyclopedia entries here. Not opinions for entries. Movesets go along with the deal that no opinions should be in an entry. [[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 18:04, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. So how do you get these Pokemon entries to not really be stubs?

Just get rid of the ( stub ) part in some of the pages. Working on doing the previous/next thing for the pokedex entries so I'll get it covered.[[User:LedianX|LedianX]] 18:12, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Is it just me or does this Pokémon look like an alien? [[User:Cerberus|Cerberus]]

It also looks kinda like he's wearing a helmet. - Buddy

Talk:Steelix (Pokémon)

2008-04-18T17:36:38Z

Buddy Christ:

== Crystal Onix ==

Would anyone object to my adding a note about the Crystal Onix that appeared in the anime and its possible influence on Steelix? [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 20:19, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
:By the time that episode aired, Steelix was likely already developed. Heck, I think it was known of. I know that I knew about it since I was crushed when I traded away my Onix for the 1999 TRU event Mew. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 23:40, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::Perhaps, but the two share a variety of similarities, and one likely had some impact on the design of the other. [[User:Drake Clawfang|Drake Clawfang]] 00:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

== Second Longest Since Generation II ==

In the trivia section, it says that Steelix has been the second longest pokemon since its introduction in Generation II, but in Generation II it was THE longest. Shouldn't a note be made that it didn't become second longest until Generation III, when Wailord first showed up? - Buddy Christ

Talk:Gligar (Pokémon)

2008-04-16T20:03:57Z

Buddy Christ: New page: There is an error in the trivia section. One of the trivia segments states that Gligar and Gliscor are the only dual-type pokemon that are immune to their own type, however Vibrava, Flygon...

Talk:Draco Meteor (move)

2008-04-14T02:04:29Z

Buddy Christ: /* Mew? */

== Hmmmm==
Why is there a need to put under the page "move"?
[[User:Jayh272416|Jayh272416]] 09:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

:It's just the way things are done on the site. Don't worry about it.--[[User:OmegaPlatinum|OmegaPlatinum]] 04:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

== Draco Meteor trivia ==

I remember this is the move that was designed by some Japanese fan around April to June 2006. Was his or her name ever published? --[[User:Johans|Johans Nidorino]] 21:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

When I saw this move, the first thing I thought of was Harry Potter's enemy, Draco Malfoy ... Hehe. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 21:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
:No, there will not be a Psychic move called Trelawney Meteor. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::Would be funny if there was... :] [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 14:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
BTW, if anyone is interested in investigating who was that fan, remember the press first translated "りゅうせいぐん" as "[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Meteoric_Swarm&redirect=no Meteoric Swarm]". --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

== Mew? ==

Mew's page says it can't learn this... Which page is right?
:Mew can't. Dragon-types only. Arceus can't even learn it unless it becomes a Dragon-type. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

::Before anyone else inquires, no, Mew can't learn {{m|Frenzy Plant}}, {{m|Blast Burn}}, or {{m|Hydro Cannon}} either. For one, none of those three was ever a TM, unlike the other move tutors in [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]]. Secondly, how would the old woman at [[Cape Brink]] be able to know which move you'd be trying to teach it? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

:::I think the mention of Mew should be removed from the article entirely. Mew is not "supposedly able to learn every move", it is able to learn every Machine. Doesn't it say below in red not to misrepresent misconceptions as fact? --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 16:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::::In FR/LG/E, it can learn ''every tutor move'' except the not-so-great Elemental Beams. Hence why we mention it. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:39, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::Yes but as it is stated above, those were never Technical or Hidden Machines. So it would make sense that they could (and are) excluded. Every tutor move Mew learns is already a TM. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 16:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::Flamethrower wasn't before Gen II (though it would become one). I also cite Mew's Pokédex entry for FireRed: "A Pokémon from South America that was thought to have been extinct. It is very intelligent and learns '''''any move'''''." And as well, let me cite the entry for Pearl: "Many scholars regard it as the ancestor of Pokémon since it can use '''''all known moves'''''." I've added the emphasis, of course. I merely added the disclaimer because it says repeatedly in the games that Mew can learn '''''any''''' move. Not any machine move, but any move, period. And so the games are liars and we must attest to this. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 20:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::I was thinking that Mew could be "able to learn" these moves if they were just random specialized moves, but Mew is just "not allowed to" in a sense, because of their meaning and purpose. The meaning and purpose of these moves (to be tailor-made for the starters and the Dragon-type Pokémon) is what disallows the tutors to teach them to Mew. They're like regular move tutors, except that they have an extra condition in their programming. If Volt Tackle weren't an Egg move but a tutor move for the Pikachu family, such move tutor would probably not allow Mew to learn Volt Tackle. And yeah... That second paragraph sounds a little trivia-like; its first sentence would be enough IMO. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Is it really accurate to say that Draco Meteor is the only TM, HM, or tutor move that Mew can't learn, when the elemental hyper beams are also tutor moves that Mew can't learn? I think the trivia should have a qualification of some sort. - Buddy Christ

Talk:Draco Meteor (move)

2008-04-14T02:04:02Z

Buddy Christ: /* Mew? */

== Hmmmm==
Why is there a need to put under the page "move"?
[[User:Jayh272416|Jayh272416]] 09:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

:It's just the way things are done on the site. Don't worry about it.--[[User:OmegaPlatinum|OmegaPlatinum]] 04:03, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

== Draco Meteor trivia ==

I remember this is the move that was designed by some Japanese fan around April to June 2006. Was his or her name ever published? --[[User:Johans|Johans Nidorino]] 21:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

When I saw this move, the first thing I thought of was Harry Potter's enemy, Draco Malfoy ... Hehe. [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 21:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
:No, there will not be a Psychic move called Trelawney Meteor. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 00:56, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
::Would be funny if there was... :] [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 14:43, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
BTW, if anyone is interested in investigating who was that fan, remember the press first translated "りゅうせいぐん" as "[http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=Meteoric_Swarm&redirect=no Meteoric Swarm]". --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 02:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

== Mew? ==

Mew's page says it can't learn this... Which page is right?
:Mew can't. Dragon-types only. Arceus can't even learn it unless it becomes a Dragon-type. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 20:59, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

::Before anyone else inquires, no, Mew can't learn {{m|Frenzy Plant}}, {{m|Blast Burn}}, or {{m|Hydro Cannon}} either. For one, none of those three was ever a TM, unlike the other move tutors in [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]]. Secondly, how would the old woman at [[Cape Brink]] be able to know which move you'd be trying to teach it? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:13, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

:::I think the mention of Mew should be removed from the article entirely. Mew is not "supposedly able to learn every move", it is able to learn every Machine. Doesn't it say below in red not to misrepresent misconceptions as fact? --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 16:36, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::::In FR/LG/E, it can learn ''every tutor move'' except the not-so-great Elemental Beams. Hence why we mention it. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:39, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::Yes but as it is stated above, those were never Technical or Hidden Machines. So it would make sense that they could (and are) excluded. Every tutor move Mew learns is already a TM. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 16:44, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::Flamethrower wasn't before Gen II (though it would become one). I also cite Mew's Pokédex entry for FireRed: "A Pokémon from South America that was thought to have been extinct. It is very intelligent and learns '''''any move'''''." And as well, let me cite the entry for Pearl: "Many scholars regard it as the ancestor of Pokémon since it can use '''''all known moves'''''." I've added the emphasis, of course. I merely added the disclaimer because it says repeatedly in the games that Mew can learn '''''any''''' move. Not any machine move, but any move, period. And so the games are liars and we must attest to this. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 20:15, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

:::::::I was thinking that Mew could be "able to learn" these moves if they were just random specialized moves, but Mew is just "not allowed to" in a sense, because of their meaning and purpose. The meaning and purpose of these moves (to be tailor-made for the starters and the Dragon-type Pokémon) is what disallows the tutors to teach them to Mew. They're like regular move tutors, except that they have an extra condition in their programming. If Volt Tackle weren't an Egg move but a tutor move for the Pikachu family, such move tutor would probably not allow Mew to learn Volt Tackle. And yeah... That second paragraph sounds a little trivia-like; its first sentence would be enough IMO. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 16:34, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Is it really accurate to say that Draco Meteor is the only TM, HM, or tutor move that Mew can't learn, when the elemental hyper beams are also tutor moves that mew can't learn? I think the trivia should have a qualification of some sort. - Buddy Christ

Talk:Nosepass (Pokémon)

2008-03-02T05:56:58Z

Buddy Christ: /* Common? */

Talk:Nosepass (Pokémon)

2008-03-02T05:56:43Z

Buddy Christ: /* Rock Smash */

Talk:Psychic (move)

2008-02-26T19:45:28Z

Buddy Christ:

"Psychic will not be able to lower the opponent's Special Defense if it has a stat level of -6". Isn't that sort of redundant, because Growl can't reduce a Pokemon's attack if it's already down 6 levels, too. --[[User:ZellMurasame|ZellMurasame]] 01:46, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
:Exactly. That applies to all the raise/lower thingies, which is why they're all here. {{:User:TTEchidna/sig}} 02:58, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures ==

Dude, there's like, 10 of them. Do we really need all of them, seriously? I mean, after seeing the first couple 3 you see that their eyes glow and lift up the opponent. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 00:02, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, but the eyes glow different colors. Though usually it's blue, Alakazam's glows red. --{{Ani|155}}{{Ani|476}}'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]'''{{Ani|473}}[[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 00:08, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
::Still though. You can just describe it in the description.. we don't need a picture for _everything_.. {{User:TinaTheKirlia/Sig}} 00:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

== In the Anime ==

Hey guys, how come Mewtwo isn't mentioned in the anime section? He's probably the most famous example of this move in use. - Buddy Christ

Talk:Psychic (move)

2008-02-26T19:45:10Z

Buddy Christ: