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User:ArceusEX

2008-12-18T21:19:50Z

ArceusEX:

{{User Action Replay}}
{{User Male}}
{{User Brown Hair}}
{{User Country|468|the United States|DD0000|FFFFFF|0000DD}}
{{User Male Trainer}}
{{User Starter|390|Chimchar}}
{{User Diamond & Pearl}}
{{User Age|11}}
{{user Champion}}

those are what i am. oh and i have a game shark make a {{user}} thing for that.

User:ArceusEX

2008-12-18T21:17:12Z

ArceusEX:

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-12-18T21:15:10Z

ArceusEX: /* Please stop */

<div class="usermessage">You have [[Special:Random|new messages]] ([[Special:UserLogout|last change]]). {{tt|*|Srsly, do not click :D}}</div>
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Thank you, and have a good time editing here! --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you---{{u|ArceusEX}}

== Rotom ==

The stuff u r putting is better suited for a Userspace subpage--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC]

please let it be on there---[[User:ArceusEX]]

No! It takes up too much. Take TTEchidna for example--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then where can i put it---[[User:ArceusEX]]

I told U Then go here [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]]. Start ur page there--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you.Will you sign it [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]] please ---[[User:ArceusEX]]

thank you.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 19:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[[User:ArceusEX]]

==Talk Page Comments==
Please don't erase talk page comments for no reason. Trust me, you do NOT want to end up like {{u|Big Johnno}}, who got into an edit war with [[User:Fabu-Vinny|a sysop]] over comments the former had erased and was trying to keep erased. That user ended up blocked and subsequently had every erased comment restored. The comment you erased is {{u|Shiningpikablu252}}'s comment [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status|here]]. --[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then do comments on the comment section.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]][User:ArceusEX]]
:...Hell, don't edit other's comments either. It's basically the same as erasing them, as both remove the original user's intention when posting their comment. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 05:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Signing ==

Hey, sign your name with four tides: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. That's the proper way.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Please ==

Slow down on editing the <code>User:</code> namespace. Editing your userpage too much will lead to it being locked again. Instead of making multiple small edits, why not instead use the preview button (Alt + Shift + P) to check your edits before saving the page? Thank you. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Why have you gotten this? The limit of editing userpages and subpages is 3 a day, and you have surpassed that limit. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Page Recreation ==

Please don't go recreating pages that were deleted as being outright pointless. You don't need to create polls for absoultely everything, and asking people whether a new type should be created for Arceus is a stupid question. I do not want to see the page "User:ArceusEX/Arceus's Status" in blue again, or else you'll be on the outside looking in quite fast. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tone of Voice ==

It's never a good idea to tell a sysop to "shut up", be it once or repeatedly, nor is it a good idea to change your userpage to be primarily hate messages targeted at a sysop. Such behavior leads to a block every time. Please learn to control your temper and learn to say stuff in a positive fashion, lest you want to find yourself on the outside looking in forever...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hate Messages lead to Hate Pages, Hate Projects, Love, Lust, Loss, Anger, and then the DArkside.Dont do it.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]

== HEY! ==

WTF is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:ArceusEX/Rotom%27s_Status&diff=next&oldid=522802 this??!!!!] - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] ([[User talk:Pokemaniac102|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:He's Banned.And he just made the assumption from the Rotom talk page--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]

oh why are you banned. i was your friend- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Timer|Timer]] ([[User talk:Timer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Timer|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

== <code>Excuse me</code> ==

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| {{color|986F0A|'''The Golden Slowpoke Award'''}}

'''Congratulations!''' For making some of the '''''best''''' contributions to [[Bulbapedia|{{color|000|Bulbapedia}}]] you have been awarded the [[Bulbapedia:Golden Slowpoke Award|{{color|000|Golden Slowpoke Award}}]] for {{#time: F, Y|-1 month}} by [[User:BulbaBot|{{color|000|BulbaBot}}]]!

[[Slowpoke (Pokémon)|{{color|000|Slowpoke}}]], the [[species|{{color|000|Dopey Pokémon}}]], are known for being slow, and having an extremely dim intellect.

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Please be aware that this award is a joke and in no way reflects your ''actual'' mental capacity, but try and make better contributions in the future.
|}
<code>[[User:BulbaBot|Bulba]][[User talk:BulbaBot|Bot]] 06:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)</code>
: it. I wanted that award![[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Just go and try to create the needed pages if you really want that award.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 11:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

yay a award- ''unsigned comment from [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] ([[User talk:ArceusEX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ArceusEX|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:...You do realize that the {{bp|Golden Slowpoke Award}} is a ''bad'' thing, right?--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 20:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== go to here ==

when im in trouble tell me here - ''unsigned comment from [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] ([[User talk:ArceusEX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ArceusEX|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Your talk page is where people will talk to you. You have no reason to make subpages for such trivial things. Also, there is no need to make announcements such as that on your talk page. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Please==
Slow down on editing the <code>User:</code> namespace. There are only three userspace edits allowed per day, and you have gone over the limit. Editing your userpage too much will lead to it being locked again. Instead of making multiple small edits, why not instead use the preview button (Alt + Shift + P) to check your edits before saving the page? Thank you. ----The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 21:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

:yes 3 people said that [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

::Well, just make sure to only make 3 edits per day. Also, indent your comments, please. [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 21:15 12/16/2008

:::okay [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:19, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, here's a brief explanation
#When indenting comments, you don't have to press Enter. The computer automatically puts it on a new line.
#When indenting, put one more indent than the person who commented before. However, you may reset the indent if there are a crazy high amount of them, or if {{tt|you are going to stray away from the topic|Which you normally SHOULDN'T do}}.--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 21:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== Excuse me... ==

May I know what you were attempting to achieve with your edits on [[Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)]]?--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 20:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

no you wont know rotom non legendary believer [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:Then what about the even more meaningless ones on [[Talk:Rotom (Pokémon)]]?--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 21:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Knock it off ==

Stop putting that thing at the top of Rotom's talk page. It's consider vandalism. Do it again, and you'll be blocked. --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 21:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, nice that you both directly copied that from my userpage (I divided the "messages" word yesterday, but it was before that the way you used it) AND use it as a tool for vandalism. Not that I'd be the first to use a div with usermessage class, but the links and the tt template you used are exactly the same ones I made up. You can use it, but stop putting it to places it doesn't belong to. '''UltimateSephiroth''' ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|about me]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|chat]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|edits]]) 21:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

== Pssssssst ==

Why am I a noob? Does it have to do with your sockpuppet?[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

== You know... ==

You should be blocked for personally attacking DCM, calling him a "noob". For some reason, you haven't been blocked yet. Even though you've been a douchébag ever since you clicked that "Sign up" button. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 01:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:You can be banned for that? And I was once banned by I think Geo for calling Max a Douche[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Hello? I GOT BLOCKED FOR THAT. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 11:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

== Please stop ==

# The trivia you are adding has ''already been noted'' on Dratini's page.
# It doesn't even apply to Dragonair, so it doesn't belong on that page at all.
Please stop adding it to the pages. Thanks.  — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 21:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

were it it put[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:10, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
:Press ctrl+f, then type this:
:Also, In its Generation III sprites its body is incorrectly colored purple, this was later corrected in its Diamond and Pearl sprites.
:K?--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 21:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

the evelouton dragonair is not purple im not TALKING aBOUT DP.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:15, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Laoris

2008-12-18T21:14:17Z

ArceusEX: /* aim */

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Thank you, and have a good time editing here! [[User:Boywonder01|'''Boy''']][[User talk:Boywonder01|'''wonder''']][[Special:Contributions/Boywonder01|'''01''']] 05:02, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

== Pronounciation ==

It's done.''[[User:no.1fan|'''Sonic''']][[User talk:no.1fan|'''Pikachu''']]''[[User:no.1fan/reasons|'''The No.1fan''']] 18:09, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== Tutoring ==

So only Gen IV remains?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I think I've looked at the page of every Pokémon through Gen III, anyway. But I looked through Gen IV, and it looks like they're all done already. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 02:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
::I've done through 90 or something. If thats right then I'll edit my page to just the Gen IV tutors--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 02:17, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I checked or filled every one for Gen II and III. I went through part of Gen I too, after Gengar, whatever number that is. So I guess it's done... might have missed a move or two here and there, but I guess we don't need your list to fill those in.
:::I also checked about a third of the Pokémon in Gen IV, but didn't have to fill in moves for any of them, so I got bored with looking through them. Is there anything else to do for Platinum move tutoring? The Pokémon lists on the move pages maybe? Is there an easy way to do those? — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 02:23, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Unfortunately, there isn't. They suck really bad and take like two hours a move:P--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 03:03, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
{{indent}}Looks like you have started making more number disambigs. Need some help?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 23:13, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:Sure. I spent the last few hours writing a Perl script to pump out them out, which makes it pretty easy for me to make them. I'll send the script to you if you have Perl or can get it installed. If you don't want to install it on your computer, I might be able to post the script as a website somewhere. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 23:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
::What's Perl?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 23:20, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Just a scripting language, popular with IT folk on Unix/Linux. Used to be used a lot on websites. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 23:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
::::So, you just imput the info and the article comes out?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 23:28, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well I saved all the lists of stuff to a pseudo-database on my computer, so I just have to inpnut a number and the article comes out. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 23:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::Wow. Well, I'll just let you do that then...--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 23:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Those number disambigs ==

We were only supposed to go to ten. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 13:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:I didn't find any place that indicated that, because there wasn't any meaningful discussion on any of the number disambiguation pages. I also posted three messages to [[Talk:001]] at different times clearly specifying my intentions before beginning, at times when I knew that more than one administrator was online. No one commented or responded in any way. There were already a couple past ten to begin with. And there were a couple missing below ten (6 and 7). Furthermore, there were several administrators online when I started doing this, and I know I saw TTE make a Talk Page post about the time I made page 28. I understand that people can't police every edit to Bulbapedia, but I feel like someone should have noticed earlier.
:Anyway, my argument for these pages is that frequently I want to know what a Pokémon for a given number is, sometimes because I'm filling in my Pokédex, and sometimes because people on forums ask for Pokémon by number. Up til now, whenever this happened, I would have to open one of the [[List_of_Pokémon_by_Sinnoh_Pokédex_number|Pokédex]] [[List_of_Pokémon_by_National_Pokédex_number|lists]] to find the number, but these pages are 40–90 kb in wikicode with hundreds of small images on each page. I imagine this would put more strain on the server than a number disambiguation page that's smaller than a kb. If there is an easier way to look up a Pokémon by number, I would be interested in hearing it.
:Finally, I'm not quite clear on the intention of your comment. Are you instructing me to stop making disambiguation pages? Do you want me to mark the existing ones for deletion? Is it just a notification, and should I continue making disambiguation pages?
:PS, even if you don't want the extra number disambiguation pages at all, in making them I did find [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=List_of_original_series_episodes&diff=prev&oldid=559696 three errors] in image captions on an anime episode list, so it wasn't a total loss. :P — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 16:55, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:No, just leave them; they are fine. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 23:36, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

== {{m|Icicle Spear}} ==

I'm a little confused about what you said in your edit summary. Can you explain it a little better? [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 19:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
:He apparently tried to tell that Icicle Spear is Shellder's egg move since a baby Shellder will have Icicle Spear even if the mother didn't know the move; usually level-up moves are passed forward only if '''both''' parents know the move. UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 19:10, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
:Normally, if a Pokémon learns a move by leveling up, in order for the move to be passed down to a baby when breeding, both parents must know it. And normally with egg moves, only the father needs to know it. So since Shellder can learn Icicle Spear as an egg move, when breeding Shellder, only the father needs to know the move for it to be passed down–it doesn't matter if the mother does or not. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 19:10, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

== Jessie's Wobbuffet ==

But Wobbuffet only has one possible ability. I'm confused? — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Well, I know I saw it on a talk page somewhere. I'll try and find it again. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 06:48, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::Previously discussed at {{UT|Maverick Nate|an admin's talk page}}. To add an ability to anime Pokémon articles, it must be said that the Pokémon used it. - [[User:Kogoro|'''<sc>Kogoro</sc>''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''<sc>Talk to me</sc>''']] - 06:51, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:::There was a [[User_talk:Chocolate/Archive_5#Ability|discussion]] about it on Chocolate's page too. Maybe the Project Anime page should list some guidelines for stuff like this. — [[User:Laoris|Laoris]] ([[User_Talk:Laoris|Blah]]) 06:57, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::::OK, I wasn't aware of that. But it really does make sense (especially the {{tt|Swampert example|lol, I bet you'll all be wading through Nate's talk page trying to find out what I'm referring to now.}}). Thanks guys. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 06:59, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== aim ==

mines maxieguardian

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== were ==

i dont see were the dratini thing is mentioned. [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-12-18T21:10:54Z

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Dratini (Pokémon)

2008-12-18T21:08:51Z

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{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Moltres | next=Dragonair }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Dratini |
pron=<sc>druh-''tee''-nee</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
jname=ミニリュウ |
tmname=Miniryu |
image=147Dratini.png |
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=147 |
jdex=241 |
hdex=302 |
adex=218 |
typen=1 |
type1=Dragon |
type2= |
species=Dragon |
height-ftin=5′11″ |
height-m=1.8 |
weight-lbs=7.3 |
weight-kg=3.3 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Shed Skin |
ability2= |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Water 1 |
egggroup2=Dragon |
hatchsteps=10,240 |
effortyield=1 Atk |
expyield=67 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
color=Blue |
catchrate=45 |
body=02 |
pokefordex=dratini |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Dratini''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ミニリュウ''' ''Miniryu'') is a {{type2|Dragon}} Pokémon.

It [[evolve]]s into {{p|Dragonair}} starting at [[level]] 30, who evolves into {{p|Dragonite}} starting at level 55.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Dratini are serpentine Pokémon that inhabit lakes and rivers, they possess fins on the sides of their heads. They can grow to be quite long, but they are constantly growing. As they grow, they {{a2|Shed Skin|shed skin}}.

====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====

===Behavior===
Dratini are timid, elusive, extremely shy Pokémon, causing them to be rarely seen, making people to believe it is a myth among certain communities in Kanto.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Watersedge.gif|left|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Water's-edge Pokémon|Water's-edge Pokémon]]]]
Dratini are said to not exist or be one-of-a-kind Pokémon, as they are so rare. However, they are found in several places, including the [[Kanto Safari Zone]], [[Dragon's Den]], and [[Mt. Coronet]].

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:DratiniAnime.jpg|frame|right|Dratini in the anime]]Dratini first appeared in [[EP035]]. The Warden of the [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] was protecting the Tiny Dragon Pokémon. The episode was banned from English-audience due to excessive use of a firearm.

Dratini was also in ''[[EP251|Beauty is Skin Deep]]''. This Dratini belonged to [[Clair]] and [[Team Rocket]] wanted to steal it from her. Clair's Dratini evolved into a Dragonair at the end of the episode.

==In the manga==
===Pokémon Special===
Dratini first debuted in [[PS036|''Drat That Dratini!'']] in the [[Viridian Forest]]. It had been attacking {{Special|Yellow}} but was calmed by {{special|Red}}.

Dratini was seen in a flashback of [[Lance]]'s as a Pokémon harmed by human industrialization. This motivated Lance to formulate his plot to destroy humanity many years later.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Dratini (TCG)}}

==In the TFG==
One Dratini figure has been released.

* {{TFG|Next Quest}}: {{TFG ID|Next Quest|Dratini|9}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=dragon
|gen=1
|redbluedex=Long considered a mythical Pokémon until recently, when a small colony was found living underwater.
|yellowdex=The existence of this mythical Pokémon was only recently confirmed by a fisherman who caught one.
|golddex=It is born large to start with. It repeatedly sheds its skin as it steadily grows longer.
|silverdex=This Pokémon is full of life energy. It continually sheds its skin and grows steadily larger.
|crystaldex=It sheds many layers of skin as it grows larger. During this process, it is protected by a rapid waterfall.
|rubydex=Dratini continually molts and sloughs off its old skin. It does so because the life energy within its body steadily builds to reach uncontrollable levels.
|sapphiredex=Dratini continually molts and sloughs off its old skin. It does so because the life energy within its body steadily builds to reach uncontrollable levels.
|emeralddex=A Dratini continually molts and sloughs off its old skin. It does so because the life energy within its body steadily builds to reach uncontrollable levels.
|firereddex=Even the young can exceed 6.5 feet in length. It grows larger by repeatedly [[Shed Skin (ability)|shedding skin]].
|leafgreendex=Long considered a mythical Pokémon until recently, when a small colony was found living underwater.
|stadiumdex=Even the young are known to exceed 6' 6". It is rare and long considered to exist only in myth.
|stadium2dex=It is born large to start with. It repeatedly sheds its skin as it steadily grows longer.
|diamonddex=It is called the "Mirage Pokémon" because so few have seen it. Its shed skin has been found.
|pearldex=It is called the "Mirage Pokémon" because so few have seen it. Its shed skin has been found.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=dragon |
gen=1 |
rbrarity=Rare |
rbarea=[[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
yrarity=Rare |
yarea=[[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
gsrarity=Uncommon |
gsarea=[[Dragon's Den]] and {{rt|45}} |
crarity=Uncommon |
carea=[[Dragon's Den]] and {{rt|45}} |
frlgrarity=Few |
frlgarea=[[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] and [[Rocket Game Corner]] |
dprarity=Uncommon |
dparea=[[Mt. Coronet]] |
ptrarity=Uncommon |
ptarea=[[Mt. Coronet]] |
palarea=Pond |
}}

====In side games====
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{dragon color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Snap]]
| [[Pokémon Island Valley|Valley]]
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Phobos Submarine Endless Level 39 Trozei Battle Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Red and Blue)]]
| [[Silver Trench]] (50F-59F) [[Wyvern Hill]] (1F-5F) [[Far-off Sea]] (50F-59F)
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Time and Darkness)]]
| [[Craggy Coast]] (B1-B9) [[Marine Resort]] (B1-B19)
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]]
| [[Almia Castle]]
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=41 |
Attack=64 |
Defense=45 |
SpAtk=50 |
SpDef=50 |
Special=50 |
Speed=50 |
type=Dragon }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
type=Dragon |
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Water= 50 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Dratini}}

====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dratini}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Wrap|Normal|Physical|15|85|20|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|5|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|11|Twister|Dragon|Special|40|100|20|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|15|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|21|Slam|Normal|Physical|80|75|20|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|25|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|31|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|35|Dragon Rush|Dragon|Physical|100|75|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|41|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|45|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|51|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|55|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{movelist/note|3|dragon}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dratini}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM03]]|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM07]]|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM13]]|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM14]]|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM20]]|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM23]]|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM24]]|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM35]]|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM38]]|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM59]]|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10|Smart|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM73]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM03]]|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM07]]|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{movelist/note|4|dragon}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dratini}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Altaria}} {{p|Bagon}}, {{p|Shelgon}}, {{p|Salamence}}|DragonBreath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Dragonair}}, {{p|Dragonite}} {{p|Horsea}}, {{p|Seadra}}, {{p|Kingdra}} {{p|Altaria}} {{p|Gyarados}}|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Dragonair}}, {{p|Dragonite}} {{p|Gible}}, {{p|Gabite}}, {{p|Garchomp}}|Dragon Rush|Dragon|Physical|100|75|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Ekans}}, {{p|Arbok}} {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Surskit}}, {{p|Masquerain}} {{p|Seviper}}|Haze|Ice|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Marill}}, {{p|Azumarill}} {{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Golduck}} {{p|Feebas}}, {{p|Milotic}}|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2|*}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Lapras}} {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Wingull}}, {{p|Pelipper}} {{p|Lotad}}, {{p|Lombre}}, {{p|Ludicolo}} {{p|Swablu}}, {{p|Altaria}} {{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Prinplup}}, {{p|Empoleon}}|Mist|Ice|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mantine}} {{p|Wingull}}, {{p|Pelipper}}|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20|Smart|2}}
{{eggmoves/note|4|dragon}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dratini}}
{{mtentry4|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|Cute|3|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|140|90|5|Smart|2||'''|no|no|no|yes|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|75|100|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|15|Cool|2||'''|no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cool|3|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Twister|Dragon|Special|40|100|20|Cool|3||'''|no|no|no|no|yes|}}
{{tutor/note|4|dragon}}

====Special moves====
In {{game|Crystal}}, it is possible to obtain a Dratini with {{M|ExtremeSpeed}}:

{{Team|
|#1=[[Image:147.png]]
|Poke1={{p|Dratini}}
|LV1=Lv. 15
|G1=
|HI1=???
|M1P1={{m|Wrap}}
|M2P1={{m|Thunder Wave}}
|M3P1={{m|Twister}}
|M4P1=''{{m|ExtremeSpeed}}''
}}

It is a prize for correctly answering the questions given by the Dragon Master in the Dragon Shrine. If any wrong answers are given, the player will still receive a Dratini but it will have {{m|Leer}} instead.

{| {{bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
! Question
! Correct answers
! Wrong Answers
|-
| 1
| What are your Pokémon to you?
| Pal Friend
| Underling
|-
| 2
| What helps you to win battles?
| Strategy Raising
| Cheating
|-
| 3
| What kind of trainers do you wish to battle?
| Anybody
| Weak Person Tough Person
|-
| 4
| What is the most important thing for raising Pokémon?
| Love Knowledge
| Violence
|-
| 5
| Strong Pokémon, Weak Pokémon. Which is More Important?
| Both
| Tough Weak
|}

====[[TCG|TCG]]-only Moves====
*{{m|Fury Attack}} {{ic|Normal}}
*{{m|Pound}} {{ic|Normal}}

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=dragon |
ndex=147 |
Pincatch=yes |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=11% |
area=Mystic Lake |
P1= I might be small, but I'm still a Pokémon of legend! |
P2= Oh, no... My health is down to half... |
P3= I can't... I have no power left at all... |
PL= Yes! I leveled up! So happy! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=8.2% |
iq=D |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2= Dragon |
typeA2= Dragon |
field2= Tackle |
browser2= It attacks by breathing blue flames that are unique to Dragon-group Pokémon. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/2|147|Dratini|1|Dragon||[[Level|Level 30]]|148|Dragonair|1|Dragon||[[Level|Level 55]]|149|Dragonite|2|Dragon|Flying}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=dragon|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=147|
name=Dratini|
}}

==Trivia==
*Although Dratini Gen ||| sprites were purple, {{p|Dragonair}} Gen ||| sprites were fixed and is blue.
*Dratini's prototype name was "Dragoon," meaning a European military unit, but was probably used as a play on the word "dragon," or as a combination of "dragon" and "lagoon."
*Controversy in [[EP035|the episode]] where Dratini is introduced caused the episode to be banned from American audiences due to a character placing a gun in Ash's face (among a few others). Dratini and Dragonair have made appearances since, unlike {{p2|Porygon|other Pokémon from banned episodes}}.
*Dratini's [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], and [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Green]] sprites looked more like snakes or worms than dragons because of the stripes on its underbelly (which were removed in Yellow).
*Dratini is the first {{type2|Dragon}} Pokémon by [[National Pokédex]] order. It is also the last Pokémon to have a [[Generation I]] type that is not shared with a Pokémon of a lower number.
*Dratini and its evolutions share the same [[species]] name with {{p|Horsea}} and its evolutions and {{p|Salamence}}. They are all known as Dragon Pokémon.
*In its {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} {{shiny2}} sprites, it's shown to be a slightly darker blue. However in the newer games, its shiny form is pink.
** Also, In its Generation III sprites its body is incorrectly colored purple, this was later corrected in its {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} sprites
*Even though Dratini lives in water and can learn Water/Ice type moves, it is not a Water-type itself.
===Origin===
It appears to be based upon {{wp|sea serpent}}s or ''lóng'', traditional {{wp|Chinese dragon}}s who bring good luck.
====Name origin====
Dratini's name appears to be a combination of ''{{wp|dragon}}'' and ''teeny'', meaning small. Despite this, it is fairly large for a [[Pokémon]], being nearly six feet (1.8 meters) in length. Its Japanese name, a combination of ''miniature'' and 竜 ''ryū'', dragon, has a similar meaning.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Dratini
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Minidraco - Comes from ''miniature'' and ''draco'', (Latin for "dragon").
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 미뇽 ''Minyong''

==External links==

==Notes==
<references />
 

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Moltres | next=Dragonair }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a three-stage evolutionary line]]

[[de:Dratini]]
[[fr:Minidraco]]
[[ja:ミニリュウ]]
[[pl:Dratini]]
[[pt:Dratini (pokémon)]]

Dragonair (Pokémon)

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{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Dratini | next=Dragonite }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Dragonair |
pron=<sc>drag-uh-''nair''</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
jname=ハクリュー |
tmname=Hakuryu |
image=148Dragonair.png|size=130|
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=148 |
jdex=242 |
hdex=303 |
adex=219 |
typen=1 |
type1=Dragon |
type2= |
species=Dragon |
height-ftin=13′01″ |
height-m=4.0 |
weight-lbs=36.4 |
weight-kg=16.5 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Shed Skin |
ability2= |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Water 1 |
egggroup2=Dragon |
hatchsteps=10,240 |
effortyield=2 Atk |
expyield=144 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
color=Blue |
catchrate=45 |
body=02 |
pokefordex=dragonair |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Dragonair''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ハクリュー''' ''Hakuryu'') is a {{type2|Dragon}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Dratini}} starting at [[level]] 30, and evolves into {{p|Dragonite}} starting at level 55.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Dragonair are long, serpent-like Pokémon that can be up to 13′01″ (4.0m) long. They have dark, glossy eyes and a small, unicorn-like horn on their foreheads. On either side of their heads are small feathery wings which may assist Dragonair in flight. Dragonair are covered in sapphire-blue scales, except for their bellies, which are a bright white. A feature unique to Dragonair are the small blue orbs that appear under their necks and on the ends of their tails.
====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====
Dragonair are said to have the ability to control the weather and surrounding climate; they also give out a distinct, gentle aura that can be felt by humans. Many people have also seen these Pokémon flying, even though they have no wings (except for the small wings on their heads, which are too small to assist them in flight). Dragonair also host a large amount of energy within their bodies which they discharge from their crystals, this allows them to change the weather.

===Behavior===
Dragonair are docile Pokémon that give out a gentle aura that can be felt by people nearby. Although shy and protective of their habitat, they are also very powerful dragon Pokémon.
Dragonair have the ability Shed Skin, which gives it a 1/3 chance of refreshing its status if it is inflicted with a status ailment.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Watersedge.gif|left|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Water's-edge Pokémon|Water's-edge Pokémon]]]]
Dragonair are rare Pokémon that often inhabit lakes and seas.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
 Not much is known about this Pokémon's diet, as they are so reclusive, but it is assumed they eat berries like most Pokémon do.

==In the anime==
[[Image:Dragonair anime.jpg|left|thumb|Dragonair from ''[[AG152|On Olden Pond]]'']]
Dragonair first appeared in the [[banned episode]], [[EP035]]. The [[Kaiser|warden]] of the [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] was protecting it.

[[Clair]]'s Dratini evolved into a Dragonair in ''[[EP251|Beauty is Skin Deep]]''.

In ''[[AG152|On Olden Pond]]'', a Dragonair was living in a lake that a businessman once planned to build a luxury resort on.

==In the manga==
Lance owns two, one caught previously, the other stolen and brainwashed; the one which was offered as a prize in the Surf contest.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Dragonair (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=dragon
|gen=1
|redbluedex=A mystical Pokémon that exudes a gentle aura. Has the ability to change climate conditions.
|yellowdex=According to a witness, its body was surrounded by a strange aura that gave it a mystical look.
|stadiumdex=Lives in large bodies of water like the sea and lakes. It is said to have the power to change the weather and fly.
|golddex=They say that if it emits an aura from its whole body, the weather will begin to change instantly.
|silverdex=Its crystalline orbs appear to give this Pokémon the power to freely control the weather.
|crystaldex=It is called the divine Pokémon. When its entire body brightens slightly, the weather changes.
|stadium2dex=They say that if it emits an aura from its whole body, the weather will begin to change instantly.
|rubydex=Dragonair stores an enormous amount of energy inside its body. It is said to alter weather conditions in its vicinity by discharging energy from the crystals on its neck and tail.
|sapphiredex=Dragonair stores an enormous amount of energy inside its body. It is said to alter weather conditions in its vicinity by discharging energy from the crystals on its neck and tail.
|emeralddex=A Dragonair stores an enormous amount of energy inside its body. It is said to alter the weather around it by loosing energy from the crystals on its neck and tail.
|firereddex=It is said to live in seas and lakes. Even though it has no wings, it has been seen flying occasionally.
|leafgreendex=A mystical Pokémon that exudes a gentle aura. It is said to have the ability to change the weather.
|diamonddex=If its body takes on an aura, the weather changes instantly. It is said to live in seas and lakes.
|pearldex=If its body takes on an aura, the weather changes instantly. It is said to live in seas and lakes.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=dragon |
gen=1 |
rbarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Dratini}} |
yrarity=Rare |
yarea=[[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] | |
gsrarity=Rare |
gsarea=[[Dragon's Den]], [[Route 45]]|
crarity=Rare |
carea=[[Dragon's Den]], [[Route 45]]|
frlgrarity=Rare |
frlgarea=[[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
dprarity=Rare |
dparea=[[Mt. Coronet]] |
ptrarity=Uncommon |
ptarea=[[Mt. Coronet]] |
palarea=Pond |
}}
====In side games====

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{dragon color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Secret Storage 14 Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Red and Blue)]]
| [[Wyvern Hill]] (12F-20F)
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Time and Darkness)]]
| [[Brine Cave]] (B8-B9) [[Lower Brine Cave]] (B1-B5)
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]]
| [[Almia Castle]]
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=61 |
Attack=84 |
Defense=65 |
SpAtk=70 |
SpDef=70 |
Special=70 |
Speed=70 |
type=Dragon }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Water= 50 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
{{evolved learnset intro|Dragonair}}

====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dragonair}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Wrap|Normal|Physical|15|85|20|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|5|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|11|Twister|Dragon|Special|40|100|20|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|15|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|21|Slam|Normal|Physical|80|75|20|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|25|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|33|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|39|Dragon Rush|Dragon|Physical|100|75|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|47|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|53|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|61|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|67|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{movelist/note|3|dragon}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dragonair}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM03]]|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM07]]|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM13]]|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM14]]|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM20]]|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM23]]|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM24]]|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM35]]|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM38]]|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM59]]|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10|Smart|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM73]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM03]]|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM07]]|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{movelist/note|4|dragon}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dragonair}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Altaria}} {{p|Bagon}}, {{p|Shelgon}}, {{p|Salamence}}|DragonBreath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Dragonair}}, {{p|Dragonite}} {{p|Horsea}}, {{p|Seadra}}, {{p|Kingdra}} {{p|Altaria}} {{p|Gyarados}}|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Dragonair}}, {{p|Dragonite}} {{p|Gible}}, {{p|Gabite}}, {{p|Garchomp}}|Dragon Rush|Dragon|Physical|100|75|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Ekans}}, {{p|Arbok}} {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Surskit}}, {{p|Masquerain}} {{p|Seviper}}|Haze|Ice|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Marill}}, {{p|Azumarill}} {{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Golduck}} {{p|Feebas}}, {{p|Milotic}}|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2|*}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Lapras}} {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Wingull}}, {{p|Pelipper}} {{p|Lotad}}, {{p|Lombre}}, {{p|Ludicolo}} {{p|Swablu}}, {{p|Altaria}} {{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Prinplup}}, {{p|Empoleon}}|Mist|Ice|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mantine}} {{p|Wingull}}, {{p|Pelipper}}|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20|Smart|2}}
{{eggmoves/note|4|dragon}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dragonair}}
{{mtentry4|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|Cute|3|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|140|90|5|Smart|2||'''|no|no|no|yes|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|75|100|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|15|Cool|2||'''|no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cool|3|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Twister|Dragon|Special|40|100|20|Cool|3||'''|no|no|no|no|yes|}}
{{tutor/note|4|dragon}}

====[[TCG|TCG]]-only Moves====
*{{m|Horn Attack}} {{ic|Normal}}

===Side game data===

{{Side game|
type=dragon |
ndex=148 |
Pinevo=yes |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=-19% |
area=Mystic Lake |
P1= The sea and the sky... Both are my allies! |
P2= This isn't good. I have only half my HP left. |
P3= I'm done for... Even the power of water is gone... |
PL= I've leveled up. I'll make you believe in my power! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-4.5% |
iq=D |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2= Dragon |
typeA2= Dragon |
field2= Crush x3 |
browser2= It attacks by breathing blue flames. It also has a mysterious barrier for protection. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/2|147|Dratini|1|Dragon||[[Level|Level 30]]|148|Dragonair|1|Dragon||[[Level|Level 55]]|149|Dragonite|2|Dragon|Flying}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=dragon|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=148|
name=Dragonair|
}}

==Trivia==
*Although {{p|Dratini}} Gen ||| sprites were purple, Dragonairs Gen ||| sprites were fixed and is blue.
*The prototype name for Dragonair was "Dragyn," a play on the word "dragon."
*Dragonair is one of a few Pokémon who shrinks when it [[evolution|evolves]], alongside {{p|Gloom}} into {{p|Bellossom}}, {{p|Porygon}} into {{p|Porygon2}}, and {{p|Haunter}} into {{p|Gengar}}.
*Despite being said to be able to change the weather as one of its natural abilities, Dragonair needs to use TMs to learn {{m|Hail}}, {{m|Sunny Day}}, {{m|Rain Dance}}, and {{m|Sandstorm}}.
*Though mentioned and seen in the anime to have the ability to fly, Dragonair is unable to use the HM {{m|Fly}}, or any other Flying-type moves for that matter.
*Dragonair evolves at the highest level (55) of any Pokémon, ignoring evolution cancelling. The only other Pokémon that evolves at that level is {{p|Pupitar}}.
*In [[Blackthorn City]], a woman is willing to trade her Rhydon for a female Dragonair. This makes Dragonair the only Pokémon to be required to be a certain gender for an in-game trade.
*In its {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} {{shiny2}} sprites, it is shown to be lavender, almost like the normal {{p|Dratini}}'s coloration. However in the newer games, its shiny form is pink.
*Even though Dragonair lives in water and can learn Water/Ice type moves, it is not a Water-type itself. It shares this trait with its pre-evolution Dratini and Lugia.
*Although Dragonair has a horn, it can not learn the move Megahorn.

===Origin===
It appears to be based on {{wp|sea serpent}}s or ''lóng'', traditional {{wp|Chinese dragon}}s who bring good luck.
====Name origin====
Dragonair's name appears to be a combination of ''dragon'' and ''air'', referring to its ability to change the weather, or "lair", the home of a dragon. It may also be a play on the word ''debonair''. ''Hakuryū'' could be taken to mean 白竜, white dragon. Hakuryu was also the name of the dragonlike companion of Hakai from the legend of the [[wp:Journey to the West|journey to the west]] in Buddhist lore.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Dragonir
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Draco - From ''dragon''.
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 신뇽 ''Sinnyong''

==Related articles==
*[[Clair's Dragonair]]

==External links==
*[http://www.pichi-pichi.net/dragonair/ Heavenly], the fanlisting for Dragonair

==Notes==
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[[ja:ハクリュー]]
[[pl:Dragonair]]
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{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Dratini |
pron=<sc>druh-''tee''-nee</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
jname=ミニリュウ |
tmname=Miniryu |
image=147Dratini.png |
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=147 |
jdex=241 |
hdex=302 |
adex=218 |
typen=1 |
type1=Dragon |
type2= |
species=Dragon |
height-ftin=5′11″ |
height-m=1.8 |
weight-lbs=7.3 |
weight-kg=3.3 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Shed Skin |
ability2= |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Water 1 |
egggroup2=Dragon |
hatchsteps=10,240 |
effortyield=1 Atk |
expyield=67 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
color=Blue |
catchrate=45 |
body=02 |
pokefordex=dratini |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Dratini''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ミニリュウ''' ''Miniryu'') is a {{type2|Dragon}} Pokémon.

It [[evolve]]s into {{p|Dragonair}} starting at [[level]] 30, who evolves into {{p|Dragonite}} starting at level 55.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Dratini are serpentine Pokémon that inhabit lakes and rivers, they possess fins on the sides of their heads. They can grow to be quite long, but they are constantly growing. As they grow, they {{a2|Shed Skin|shed skin}}.

====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====

===Behavior===
Dratini are timid, elusive, extremely shy Pokémon, causing them to be rarely seen, making people to believe it is a myth among certain communities in Kanto.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Watersedge.gif|left|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Water's-edge Pokémon|Water's-edge Pokémon]]]]
Dratini are said to not exist or be one-of-a-kind Pokémon, as they are so rare. However, they are found in several places, including the [[Kanto Safari Zone]], [[Dragon's Den]], and [[Mt. Coronet]].

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}

==In the anime==
[[Image:DratiniAnime.jpg|frame|right|Dratini in the anime]]Dratini first appeared in [[EP035]]. The Warden of the [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] was protecting the Tiny Dragon Pokémon. The episode was banned from English-audience due to excessive use of a firearm.

Dratini was also in ''[[EP251|Beauty is Skin Deep]]''. This Dratini belonged to [[Clair]] and [[Team Rocket]] wanted to steal it from her. Clair's Dratini evolved into a Dragonair at the end of the episode.

==In the manga==
===Pokémon Special===
Dratini first debuted in [[PS036|''Drat That Dratini!'']] in the [[Viridian Forest]]. It had been attacking {{Special|Yellow}} but was calmed by {{special|Red}}.

Dratini was seen in a flashback of [[Lance]]'s as a Pokémon harmed by human industrialization. This motivated Lance to formulate his plot to destroy humanity many years later.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Dratini (TCG)}}

==In the TFG==
One Dratini figure has been released.

* {{TFG|Next Quest}}: {{TFG ID|Next Quest|Dratini|9}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=dragon
|gen=1
|redbluedex=Long considered a mythical Pokémon until recently, when a small colony was found living underwater.
|yellowdex=The existence of this mythical Pokémon was only recently confirmed by a fisherman who caught one.
|golddex=It is born large to start with. It repeatedly sheds its skin as it steadily grows longer.
|silverdex=This Pokémon is full of life energy. It continually sheds its skin and grows steadily larger.
|crystaldex=It sheds many layers of skin as it grows larger. During this process, it is protected by a rapid waterfall.
|rubydex=Dratini continually molts and sloughs off its old skin. It does so because the life energy within its body steadily builds to reach uncontrollable levels.
|sapphiredex=Dratini continually molts and sloughs off its old skin. It does so because the life energy within its body steadily builds to reach uncontrollable levels.
|emeralddex=A Dratini continually molts and sloughs off its old skin. It does so because the life energy within its body steadily builds to reach uncontrollable levels.
|firereddex=Even the young can exceed 6.5 feet in length. It grows larger by repeatedly [[Shed Skin (ability)|shedding skin]].
|leafgreendex=Long considered a mythical Pokémon until recently, when a small colony was found living underwater.
|stadiumdex=Even the young are known to exceed 6' 6". It is rare and long considered to exist only in myth.
|stadium2dex=It is born large to start with. It repeatedly sheds its skin as it steadily grows longer.
|diamonddex=It is called the "Mirage Pokémon" because so few have seen it. Its shed skin has been found.
|pearldex=It is called the "Mirage Pokémon" because so few have seen it. Its shed skin has been found.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=dragon |
gen=1 |
rbrarity=Rare |
rbarea=[[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
yrarity=Rare |
yarea=[[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
gsrarity=Uncommon |
gsarea=[[Dragon's Den]] and {{rt|45}} |
crarity=Uncommon |
carea=[[Dragon's Den]] and {{rt|45}} |
frlgrarity=Few |
frlgarea=[[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] and [[Rocket Game Corner]] |
dprarity=Uncommon |
dparea=[[Mt. Coronet]] |
ptrarity=Uncommon |
ptarea=[[Mt. Coronet]] |
palarea=Pond |
}}

====In side games====
{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{dragon color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Snap]]
| [[Pokémon Island Valley|Valley]]
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Phobos Submarine Endless Level 39 Trozei Battle Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Red and Blue)]]
| [[Silver Trench]] (50F-59F) [[Wyvern Hill]] (1F-5F) [[Far-off Sea]] (50F-59F)
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Time and Darkness)]]
| [[Craggy Coast]] (B1-B9) [[Marine Resort]] (B1-B19)
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]]
| [[Almia Castle]]
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=41 |
Attack=64 |
Defense=45 |
SpAtk=50 |
SpDef=50 |
Special=50 |
Speed=50 |
type=Dragon }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
type=Dragon |
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Water= 50 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
{{learnset intro|Dratini}}

====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dratini}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Wrap|Normal|Physical|15|85|20|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|5|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|11|Twister|Dragon|Special|40|100|20|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|15|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|21|Slam|Normal|Physical|80|75|20|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|25|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|31|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|35|Dragon Rush|Dragon|Physical|100|75|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|41|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|45|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|51|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|55|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{movelist/note|3|dragon}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dratini}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM03]]|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM07]]|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM13]]|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM14]]|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM20]]|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM23]]|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM24]]|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM35]]|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM38]]|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM59]]|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10|Smart|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM73]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM03]]|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM07]]|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{movelist/note|4|dragon}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dratini}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Altaria}} {{p|Bagon}}, {{p|Shelgon}}, {{p|Salamence}}|DragonBreath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Dragonair}}, {{p|Dragonite}} {{p|Horsea}}, {{p|Seadra}}, {{p|Kingdra}} {{p|Altaria}} {{p|Gyarados}}|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Dragonair}}, {{p|Dragonite}} {{p|Gible}}, {{p|Gabite}}, {{p|Garchomp}}|Dragon Rush|Dragon|Physical|100|75|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Ekans}}, {{p|Arbok}} {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Surskit}}, {{p|Masquerain}} {{p|Seviper}}|Haze|Ice|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Marill}}, {{p|Azumarill}} {{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Golduck}} {{p|Feebas}}, {{p|Milotic}}|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2|*}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Lapras}} {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Wingull}}, {{p|Pelipper}} {{p|Lotad}}, {{p|Lombre}}, {{p|Ludicolo}} {{p|Swablu}}, {{p|Altaria}} {{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Prinplup}}, {{p|Empoleon}}|Mist|Ice|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mantine}} {{p|Wingull}}, {{p|Pelipper}}|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20|Smart|2}}
{{eggmoves/note|4|dragon}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dratini}}
{{mtentry4|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|Cute|3|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|140|90|5|Smart|2||'''|no|no|no|yes|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|75|100|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|15|Cool|2||'''|no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cool|3|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Twister|Dragon|Special|40|100|20|Cool|3||'''|no|no|no|no|yes|}}
{{tutor/note|4|dragon}}

====Special moves====
In {{game|Crystal}}, it is possible to obtain a Dratini with {{M|ExtremeSpeed}}:

{{Team|
|#1=[[Image:147.png]]
|Poke1={{p|Dratini}}
|LV1=Lv. 15
|G1=
|HI1=???
|M1P1={{m|Wrap}}
|M2P1={{m|Thunder Wave}}
|M3P1={{m|Twister}}
|M4P1=''{{m|ExtremeSpeed}}''
}}

It is a prize for correctly answering the questions given by the Dragon Master in the Dragon Shrine. If any wrong answers are given, the player will still receive a Dratini but it will have {{m|Leer}} instead.

{| {{bluetable|background: white; margin: auto;}}
|- style="background: #ccf;"
! #
! Question
! Correct answers
! Wrong Answers
|-
| 1
| What are your Pokémon to you?
| Pal Friend
| Underling
|-
| 2
| What helps you to win battles?
| Strategy Raising
| Cheating
|-
| 3
| What kind of trainers do you wish to battle?
| Anybody
| Weak Person Tough Person
|-
| 4
| What is the most important thing for raising Pokémon?
| Love Knowledge
| Violence
|-
| 5
| Strong Pokémon, Weak Pokémon. Which is More Important?
| Both
| Tough Weak
|}

====[[TCG|TCG]]-only Moves====
*{{m|Fury Attack}} {{ic|Normal}}
*{{m|Pound}} {{ic|Normal}}

===Side game data===
{{Side game|
type=dragon |
ndex=147 |
Pincatch=yes |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Common |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=11% |
area=Mystic Lake |
P1= I might be small, but I'm still a Pokémon of legend! |
P2= Oh, no... My health is down to half... |
P3= I can't... I have no power left at all... |
PL= Yes! I leveled up! So happy! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=8.2% |
iq=D |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2= Dragon |
typeA2= Dragon |
field2= Tackle |
browser2= It attacks by breathing blue flames that are unique to Dragon-group Pokémon. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/2|147|Dratini|1|Dragon||[[Level|Level 30]]|148|Dragonair|1|Dragon||[[Level|Level 55]]|149|Dragonite|2|Dragon|Flying}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=dragon|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=147|
name=Dratini|
}}

==Trivia==
* Although Dratinis Gen ||| sprites were purple, {{p|Dragonair}} Gen ||| sprites were fixed and is blue.
*Dratini's prototype name was "Dragoon," meaning a European military unit, but was probably used as a play on the word "dragon," or as a combination of "dragon" and "lagoon."
*Controversy in [[EP035|the episode]] where Dratini is introduced caused the episode to be banned from American audiences due to a character placing a gun in Ash's face (among a few others). Dratini and Dragonair have made appearances since, unlike {{p2|Porygon|other Pokémon from banned episodes}}.
*Dratini's [[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], and [[Pokémon Red and Green Versions|Green]] sprites looked more like snakes or worms than dragons because of the stripes on its underbelly (which were removed in Yellow).
*Dratini is the first {{type2|Dragon}} Pokémon by [[National Pokédex]] order. It is also the last Pokémon to have a [[Generation I]] type that is not shared with a Pokémon of a lower number.
*Dratini and its evolutions share the same [[species]] name with {{p|Horsea}} and its evolutions and {{p|Salamence}}. They are all known as Dragon Pokémon.
*In its {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} {{shiny2}} sprites, it's shown to be a slightly darker blue. However in the newer games, its shiny form is pink.
** Also, In its Generation III sprites its body is incorrectly colored purple, this was later corrected in its {{2v2|Diamond|Pearl}} sprites
*Even though Dratini lives in water and can learn Water/Ice type moves, it is not a Water-type itself.
===Origin===
It appears to be based upon {{wp|sea serpent}}s or ''lóng'', traditional {{wp|Chinese dragon}}s who bring good luck.
====Name origin====
Dratini's name appears to be a combination of ''{{wp|dragon}}'' and ''teeny'', meaning small. Despite this, it is fairly large for a [[Pokémon]], being nearly six feet (1.8 meters) in length. Its Japanese name, a combination of ''miniature'' and 竜 ''ryū'', dragon, has a similar meaning.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Dratini
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Minidraco - Comes from ''miniature'' and ''draco'', (Latin for "dragon").
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 미뇽 ''Minyong''

==External links==

==Notes==
<references />
 

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Moltres | next=Dragonair }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a three-stage evolutionary line]]

[[de:Dratini]]
[[fr:Minidraco]]
[[ja:ミニリュウ]]
[[pl:Dratini]]
[[pt:Dratini (pokémon)]]

Dragonair (Pokémon)

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{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Dratini | next=Dragonite }}
{{PokémonInfobox|
name=Dragonair |
pron=<sc>drag-uh-''nair''</sc> <ref>Barbo, Maria. ''The Official Pokémon Handbook''. Scholastic Publishing, 1999. ISBN 0-439-10397-5</ref> |
jname=ハクリュー |
tmname=Hakuryu |
image=148Dragonair.png|size=130|
caption=Artwork from FR/LG |
ndex=148 |
jdex=242 |
hdex=303 |
adex=219 |
typen=1 |
type1=Dragon |
type2= |
species=Dragon |
height-ftin=13′01″ |
height-m=4.0 |
weight-lbs=36.4 |
weight-kg=16.5 |
abilityn=1 |
ability1=Shed Skin |
ability2= |
egggroupn=2 |
egggroup1=Water 1 |
egggroup2=Dragon |
hatchsteps=10,240 |
effortyield=2 Atk |
expyield=144 |
lv100exp=1,250,000 |
gender=both |
female=50 |
male=50 |
color=Blue |
catchrate=45 |
body=02 |
pokefordex=dragonair |
generation=1 |
footnotes=}}
'''Dragonair''' ([[List of Japanese Pokémon names|Japanese]]: '''ハクリュー''' ''Hakuryu'') is a {{type2|Dragon}} Pokémon.

It [[Evolution|evolves]] from {{p|Dratini}} starting at [[level]] 30, and evolves into {{p|Dragonite}} starting at level 55.

==Biology==
===Physiology===
Dragonair are long, serpent-like Pokémon that can be up to 13′01″ (4.0m) long. They have dark, glossy eyes and a small, unicorn-like horn on their foreheads. On either side of their heads are small feathery wings which may assist Dragonair in flight. Dragonair are covered in sapphire-blue scales, except for their bellies, which are a bright white. A feature unique to Dragonair are the small blue orbs that appear under their necks and on the ends of their tails.
====Gender differences====
None.

====Special abilities====
Dragonair are said to have the ability to control the weather and surrounding climate; they also give out a distinct, gentle aura that can be felt by humans. Many people have also seen these Pokémon flying, even though they have no wings (except for the small wings on their heads, which are too small to assist them in flight). Dragonair also host a large amount of energy within their bodies which they discharge from their crystals, this allows them to change the weather.

===Behavior===
Dragonair are docile Pokémon that give out a gentle aura that can be felt by people nearby. Although shy and protective of their habitat, they are also very powerful dragon Pokémon.
Dragonair have the ability Shed Skin, which gives it a 1/3 chance of refreshing its status if it is inflicted with a status ailment.

===Habitat===
[[Image:Watersedge.gif|left|frame|[[List of Pokémon by habitat#Water's-edge Pokémon|Water's-edge Pokémon]]]]
Dragonair are rare Pokémon that often inhabit lakes and seas.

===Diet===
{{main|Pokémon food}}
 Not much is known about this Pokémon's diet, as they are so reclusive, but it is assumed they eat berries like most Pokémon do.

==In the anime==
[[Image:Dragonair anime.jpg|left|thumb|Dragonair from ''[[AG152|On Olden Pond]]'']]
Dragonair first appeared in the [[banned episode]], [[EP035]]. The [[Kaiser|warden]] of the [[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] was protecting it.

[[Clair]]'s Dratini evolved into a Dragonair in ''[[EP251|Beauty is Skin Deep]]''.

In ''[[AG152|On Olden Pond]]'', a Dragonair was living in a lake that a businessman once planned to build a luxury resort on.

==In the manga==
Lance owns two, one caught previously, the other stolen and brainwashed; the one which was offered as a prize in the Surf contest.

==In the TCG==
{{main|Dragonair (TCG)}}

==Game data==
===Pokédex entries===
{{Dex
|type=dragon
|gen=1
|redbluedex=A mystical Pokémon that exudes a gentle aura. Has the ability to change climate conditions.
|yellowdex=According to a witness, its body was surrounded by a strange aura that gave it a mystical look.
|stadiumdex=Lives in large bodies of water like the sea and lakes. It is said to have the power to change the weather and fly.
|golddex=They say that if it emits an aura from its whole body, the weather will begin to change instantly.
|silverdex=Its crystalline orbs appear to give this Pokémon the power to freely control the weather.
|crystaldex=It is called the divine Pokémon. When its entire body brightens slightly, the weather changes.
|stadium2dex=They say that if it emits an aura from its whole body, the weather will begin to change instantly.
|rubydex=Dragonair stores an enormous amount of energy inside its body. It is said to alter weather conditions in its vicinity by discharging energy from the crystals on its neck and tail.
|sapphiredex=Dragonair stores an enormous amount of energy inside its body. It is said to alter weather conditions in its vicinity by discharging energy from the crystals on its neck and tail.
|emeralddex=A Dragonair stores an enormous amount of energy inside its body. It is said to alter the weather around it by loosing energy from the crystals on its neck and tail.
|firereddex=It is said to live in seas and lakes. Even though it has no wings, it has been seen flying occasionally.
|leafgreendex=A mystical Pokémon that exudes a gentle aura. It is said to have the ability to change the weather.
|diamonddex=If its body takes on an aura, the weather changes instantly. It is said to live in seas and lakes.
|pearldex=If its body takes on an aura, the weather changes instantly. It is said to live in seas and lakes.
|}}

===Game locations===
{{Availability|
type=dragon |
gen=1 |
rbarea=[[Evolve]] {{p|Dratini}} |
yrarity=Rare |
yarea=[[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] | |
gsrarity=Rare |
gsarea=[[Dragon's Den]], [[Route 45]]|
crarity=Rare |
carea=[[Dragon's Den]], [[Route 45]]|
frlgrarity=Rare |
frlgarea=[[Kanto Safari Zone|Safari Zone]] |
dprarity=Rare |
dparea=[[Mt. Coronet]] |
ptrarity=Uncommon |
ptarea=[[Mt. Coronet]] |
palarea=Pond |
}}
====In side games====

{| border="1" style="border: 1px solid #999; border-collapse: collapse; background: white; margin: auto;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- style="background: #{{dragon color}};"
! Game
! Location
|-
| [[Pokémon Trozei!]]
| Secret Storage 14 Mr. Who's Den
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Red and Blue)]]
| [[Wyvern Hill]] (12F-20F)
|-
| [[Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 2|Pokémon Mystery Dungeon (Time and Darkness)]]
| [[Brine Cave]] (B8-B9) [[Lower Brine Cave]] (B1-B5)
|-
| [[Pokémon Ranger: Shadows of Almia]]
| [[Almia Castle]]
|}

===Base stats===
{{BaseStats with RBY|
HP=61 |
Attack=84 |
Defense=65 |
SpAtk=70 |
SpDef=70 |
Special=70 |
Speed=70 |
type=Dragon }}

===Type effectiveness===
{{DP Type effectiveness|
type1=Dragon|
Normal= 100 |
Flying= 100 |
Fighting=100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ghost= 100 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 50 |
Grass= 50 |
Electric= 50 |
Psychic= 100 |
Water= 50 |
Ice= 200 |
Dragon= 200 |
Dark= 100 }}

===Learnset===
{{evolved learnset intro|Dragonair}}

====By [[Level|leveling up]]====
{{movelist|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dragonair}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Wrap|Normal|Physical|15|85|20|Tough|0}}
{{mlentry4|Start|Leer|Normal|Status|—|100|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|5|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|11|Twister|Dragon|Special|40|100|20|Cool|3||'''}}
{{mlentry4|15|Dragon Rage|Dragon|Special|—|100|10|Cool|3}}
{{mlentry4|21|Slam|Normal|Physical|80|75|20|Tough|3}}
{{mlentry4|25|Agility|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|33|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|39|Dragon Rush|Dragon|Physical|100|75|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|47|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|53|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|61|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|15|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|67|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{movelist/note|3|dragon}}

====By [[TM]]/[[HM]]====
{{movelisttm|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dragonair}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM03]]|Water Pulse|Water|Special|60|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM06]]|Toxic|Poison|Status|—|85|10|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM07]]|Hail|Ice|Status|—|—|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM10]]|Hidden Power|Normal|Special|—|100|15|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM11]]|Sunny Day|Fire|Status|—|—|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM13]]|Ice Beam|Ice|Special|95|100|10|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM14]]|Blizzard|Ice|Special|120|70|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM15]]|Hyper Beam|Normal|Special|150|90|5|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM17]]|Protect|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM18]]|Rain Dance|Water|Status|—|—|5|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM20]]|Safeguard|Normal|Status|—|—|25|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM21]]|Frustration|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM23]]|Iron Tail|Steel|Physical|100|75|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM24]]|Thunderbolt|Electric|Special|95|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM25]]|Thunder|Electric|Special|120|70|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM27]]|Return|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM32]]|Double Team|Normal|Status|—|—|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM34]]|Shock Wave|Electric|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM35]]|Flamethrower|Fire|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM38]]|Fire Blast|Fire|Special|120|85|5|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM42]]|Facade|Normal|Physical|70|100|20|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM43]]|Secret Power|Normal|Physical|—|100|20|Smart|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM44]]|Rest|Psychic|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM45]]|Attract|Normal|Status|—|100|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM58]]|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM59]]|Dragon Pulse|Dragon|Special|90|100|10|Smart|0||'''}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM73]]|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|10|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM78]]|Captivate|Normal|Status|—|100|20|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM82]]|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM83]]|Natural Gift|Normal|Physical|—|100|15|Cool|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM87]]|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[TM90]]|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM03]]|Surf|Water|Special|95|100|15|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|[[HM07]]|Waterfall|Water|Physical|80|100|15|Tough|3}}
{{movelist/note|4|dragon}}

====By {{pkmn|breeding}}====
{{eggmoves|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dragonair}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Altaria}} {{p|Bagon}}, {{p|Shelgon}}, {{p|Salamence}}|DragonBreath|Dragon|Special|60|100|20|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Dragonair}}, {{p|Dragonite}} {{p|Horsea}}, {{p|Seadra}}, {{p|Kingdra}} {{p|Altaria}} {{p|Gyarados}}|Dragon Dance|Dragon|Status|—|—|20|Cool|0}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Dratini}}, {{p|Dragonair}}, {{p|Dragonite}} {{p|Gible}}, {{p|Gabite}}, {{p|Garchomp}}|Dragon Rush|Dragon|Physical|100|75|10|Cool|2||'''}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Ekans}}, {{p|Arbok}} {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Surskit}}, {{p|Masquerain}} {{p|Seviper}}|Haze|Ice|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Marill}}, {{p|Azumarill}} {{p|Psyduck}}, {{p|Golduck}} {{p|Feebas}}, {{p|Milotic}}|Light Screen|Psychic|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2|*}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Lapras}} {{p|Wooper}}, {{p|Quagsire}} {{p|Wingull}}, {{p|Pelipper}} {{p|Lotad}}, {{p|Lombre}}, {{p|Ludicolo}} {{p|Swablu}}, {{p|Altaria}} {{p|Piplup}}, {{p|Prinplup}}, {{p|Empoleon}}|Mist|Ice|Status|—|—|30|Beauty|2}}
{{mlentry4|{{p|Mantine}} {{p|Wingull}}, {{p|Pelipper}}|Supersonic|Normal|Status|—|55|20|Smart|2}}
{{eggmoves/note|4|dragon}}

====By [[Move tutor|tutoring]]====
{{tutor|dragon|dragon|4|1|Dragonair}}
{{mtentry4|Aqua Tail|Water|Physical|90|90|10|Cute|3|||no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Body Slam|Normal|Physical|85|100|15|Tough|3|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Double-Edge|Normal|Physical|120|100|15|Tough|0|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Draco Meteor|Dragon|Special|140|90|5|Smart|2||'''|no|no|no|yes|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Endure|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Tough|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Icy Wind|Ice|Special|75|100|15|Beauty|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Mimic|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|0|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Outrage|Dragon|Physical|120|100|15|Cool|2||'''|no|no|no|no|yes}}
{{mtentry4|Sleep Talk|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Cute|3|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Snore|Normal|Special|40|100|15|Cool|3|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Substitute|Normal|Status|—|—|10|Smart|1|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Swagger|Normal|Status|—|90|15|Cute|2|||no|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Swift|Normal|Special|60|—|20|Cool|2|||no|yes|no|no|yes|}}
{{mtentry4|Thunder Wave|Electric|Status|—|100|20|Cool|2|||yes|yes|no|no|no|}}
{{mtentry4|Twister|Dragon|Special|40|100|20|Cool|3||'''|no|no|no|no|yes|}}
{{tutor/note|4|dragon}}

====[[TCG|TCG]]-only Moves====
*{{m|Horn Attack}} {{ic|Normal}}

===Side game data===

{{Side game|
type=dragon |
ndex=148 |
Pinevo=yes |
Trozei=yes |
rarity=Rare |
Dungeon=yes |
body=1 |
rate=-19% |
area=Mystic Lake |
P1= The sea and the sky... Both are my allies! |
P2= This isn't good. I have only half my HP left. |
P3= I'm done for... Even the power of water is gone... |
PL= I've leveled up. I'll make you believe in my power! |
Partner=no |
Ranger=no |
Dungeon2=yes |
body2=1 |
rate2=-4.5% |
iq=D |
Ranger2=yes |
typeG2= Dragon |
typeA2= Dragon |
field2= Crush x3 |
browser2= It attacks by breathing blue flames. It also has a mysterious barrier for protection. |
}}

===Evolution===
{{evobox/2|147|Dratini|1|Dragon||[[Level|Level 30]]|148|Dragonair|1|Dragon||[[Level|Level 55]]|149|Dragonite|2|Dragon|Flying}}

===Sprites===
{{Sprite|
type=dragon|
gen=1|
gender=none|
ndex=148|
name=Dragonair|
}}

==Trivia==
* although {{p|Dratini}} Gen ||| sprites were purple, Dragonairs Gen ||| sprites were fixed and is blue.
*The prototype name for Dragonair was "Dragyn," a play on the word "dragon."
*Dragonair is one of a few Pokémon who shrinks when it [[evolution|evolves]], alongside {{p|Gloom}} into {{p|Bellossom}}, {{p|Porygon}} into {{p|Porygon2}}, and {{p|Haunter}} into {{p|Gengar}}.
*Despite being said to be able to change the weather as one of its natural abilities, Dragonair needs to use TMs to learn {{m|Hail}}, {{m|Sunny Day}}, {{m|Rain Dance}}, and {{m|Sandstorm}}.
*Though mentioned and seen in the anime to have the ability to fly, Dragonair is unable to use the HM {{m|Fly}}, or any other Flying-type moves for that matter.
*Dragonair evolves at the highest level (55) of any Pokémon, ignoring evolution cancelling. The only other Pokémon that evolves at that level is {{p|Pupitar}}.
*In [[Blackthorn City]], a woman is willing to trade her Rhydon for a female Dragonair. This makes Dragonair the only Pokémon to be required to be a certain gender for an in-game trade.
*In its {{2v2|Gold|Silver}} {{shiny2}} sprites, it is shown to be lavender, almost like the normal {{p|Dratini}}'s coloration. However in the newer games, its shiny form is pink.
*Even though Dragonair lives in water and can learn Water/Ice type moves, it is not a Water-type itself. It shares this trait with its pre-evolution Dratini and Lugia.
*Although Dragonair has a horn, it can not learn the move Megahorn.

===Origin===
It appears to be based on {{wp|sea serpent}}s or ''lóng'', traditional {{wp|Chinese dragon}}s who bring good luck.
====Name origin====
Dragonair's name appears to be a combination of ''dragon'' and ''air'', referring to its ability to change the weather, or "lair", the home of a dragon. It may also be a play on the word ''debonair''. ''Hakuryū'' could be taken to mean 白竜, white dragon. Hakuryu was also the name of the dragonlike companion of Hakai from the legend of the [[wp:Journey to the West|journey to the west]] in Buddhist lore.

==In other languages==
*[[List of German Pokémon names|German]]: Dragonir
*[[List of French Pokémon names|French]]: Draco - From ''dragon''.
*[[List of Korean Pokémon names|Korean]]: 신뇽 ''Sinnyong''

==Related articles==
*[[Clair's Dragonair]]

==External links==
*[http://www.pichi-pichi.net/dragonair/ Heavenly], the fanlisting for Dragonair

==Notes==
<references />
 

{{PokémonPrevNext | prev=Dratini | next=Dragonite }}
{{Project Pokédex notice}}
[[Category:Pokémon that are part of a three-stage evolutionary line]]

[[de:Dragonir]]
[[fr:Draco]]
[[ja:ハクリュー]]
[[pl:Dragonair]]
[[pt:Dragonair (pokémon)]]

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-12-18T21:00:42Z

ArceusEX:

Talk:Rotom (Pokémon)/Archive 2

2008-12-17T21:12:35Z

ArceusEX:

<div class="usermessage">You have [[Special:Random|new messages]] ([[Special:UserLogout|last change]]). {{tt|*|Srsly, do not click :D}}</div>

==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from August 24, 2007 – December 5, 2008)

== Unprotect ==

When can this be unprotected? *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 12:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
<gallery perrow=3>
Image:Rotom normal.jpg|Rotom
Image:Rotom heat.jpg|Heat Rotom
Image:Rotom wash.jpg|Wash Rotom
Image:Rotom frost.jpg|Frost Rotom
Image:Rotom spin.jpg|Spin Rotom
Image:Rotom cut.jpg|Cut Rotom
</gallery> *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 16:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Could an admin also fix up the new stats-box? Rotom's the only one not updated. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::Can this be unprotected anytime soon I wanna make the in the anime part now...[[User:Rucario64|Rucario]][[User Talk:Rucario64|64]] 17:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::This page isn't unprotected yet? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 19:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary? ==

I know this has been discussed before but since the main argument for Rotom not being legendary was its stats but now that it can change forms (a trait shared with several legendary Pokémon) that all have better stats ("almost making them analogous to evolutions") should this discussion be reopened.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:No. Not a legendary.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Shall we bring this up on the Castform talk page too then? What about Cherrim and Burmy? Rotom isn't legendary, it's just the Gen IV version of Snorlax, Sudowoodo and Kecleon (without the annoying blocking of your path thing). — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::The main argument was the new stats and ''event'' status. At least I new better than to edit the article outright. If nothing else, it is the first ''non''-legendary to have had new forms unlocked through events.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, technically, the official DP Pokédex released by Nintendo/Gamefreak/TVTokyo stated that Rotom was a Legendary Pokémon, but yeah, it's doubtful that it is one. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::: Then so is arcanine. Get working on that children[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::::: Actually, I was referring to this (It still labels it as the Plasma pokémon, BTW.)

:::::: http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/9/9d/LegendaryRotom.jpg

::::::03:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I realized a while ago that here we didn't refer to it as legendary and respected that, I was just wondering if it was just because of its {{tt|''awful'' stats|which are better with the new forms}} as well as the new EVENT status.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

its legendary. duh. sure the booked said delibird was a legendary but in the lineup it wasent there and rotom was there. [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 20:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:Oh no, don't start ''that'' again...--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 20:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

::: well i brung it up hah [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Rotom (Pokémon)/Archive 2

2008-12-17T21:11:07Z

ArceusEX:

Talk:Rotom (Pokémon)/Archive 2

2008-12-17T21:10:35Z

ArceusEX:

User talk:ArceusEX

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ArceusEX:

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-12-17T21:00:54Z

ArceusEX: /* Excuse me... */

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thank you---{{u|ArceusEX}}

== Rotom ==

The stuff u r putting is better suited for a Userspace subpage--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC]

please let it be on there---[[User:ArceusEX]]

No! It takes up too much. Take TTEchidna for example--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then where can i put it---[[User:ArceusEX]]

I told U Then go here [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]]. Start ur page there--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you.Will you sign it [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]] please ---[[User:ArceusEX]]

thank you.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 19:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[[User:ArceusEX]]

==Talk Page Comments==
Please don't erase talk page comments for no reason. Trust me, you do NOT want to end up like {{u|Big Johnno}}, who got into an edit war with [[User:Fabu-Vinny|a sysop]] over comments the former had erased and was trying to keep erased. That user ended up blocked and subsequently had every erased comment restored. The comment you erased is {{u|Shiningpikablu252}}'s comment [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status|here]]. --[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then do comments on the comment section.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]][User:ArceusEX]]
:...Hell, don't edit other's comments either. It's basically the same as erasing them, as both remove the original user's intention when posting their comment. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 05:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Signing ==

Hey, sign your name with four tides: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. That's the proper way.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Please ==

Slow down on editing the <code>User:</code> namespace. Editing your userpage too much will lead to it being locked again. Instead of making multiple small edits, why not instead use the preview button (Alt + Shift + P) to check your edits before saving the page? Thank you. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Why have you gotten this? The limit of editing userpages and subpages is 3 a day, and you have surpassed that limit. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Page Recreation ==

Please don't go recreating pages that were deleted as being outright pointless. You don't need to create polls for absoultely everything, and asking people whether a new type should be created for Arceus is a stupid question. I do not want to see the page "User:ArceusEX/Arceus's Status" in blue again, or else you'll be on the outside looking in quite fast. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tone of Voice ==

It's never a good idea to tell a sysop to "shut up", be it once or repeatedly, nor is it a good idea to change your userpage to be primarily hate messages targeted at a sysop. Such behavior leads to a block every time. Please learn to control your temper and learn to say stuff in a positive fashion, lest you want to find yourself on the outside looking in forever...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hate Messages lead to Hate Pages, Hate Projects, Love, Lust, Loss, Anger, and then the DArkside.Dont do it.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]

== HEY! ==

WTF is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:ArceusEX/Rotom%27s_Status&diff=next&oldid=522802 this??!!!!] - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] ([[User talk:Pokemaniac102|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:He's Banned.And he just made the assumption from the Rotom talk page--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]

oh why are you banned. i was your friend- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Timer|Timer]] ([[User talk:Timer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Timer|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

== <code>Excuse me</code> ==

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|-
| style="padding: 0.5em;" | [[Image:GoldenSlowpoke.png]]
| {{color|986F0A|'''The Golden Slowpoke Award'''}}

'''Congratulations!''' For making some of the '''''best''''' contributions to [[Bulbapedia|{{color|000|Bulbapedia}}]] you have been awarded the [[Bulbapedia:Golden Slowpoke Award|{{color|000|Golden Slowpoke Award}}]] for {{#time: F, Y|-1 month}} by [[User:BulbaBot|{{color|000|BulbaBot}}]]!

[[Slowpoke (Pokémon)|{{color|000|Slowpoke}}]], the [[species|{{color|000|Dopey Pokémon}}]], are known for being slow, and having an extremely dim intellect.

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Please be aware that this award is a joke and in no way reflects your ''actual'' mental capacity, but try and make better contributions in the future.
|}
<code>[[User:BulbaBot|Bulba]][[User talk:BulbaBot|Bot]] 06:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)</code>
: it. I wanted that award![[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Just go and try to create the needed pages if you really want that award.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 11:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

yay a award- ''unsigned comment from [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] ([[User talk:ArceusEX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ArceusEX|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:...You do realize that the {{bp|Golden Slowpoke Award}} is a ''bad'' thing, right?--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 20:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== go to here ==

when im in trouble tell me here - ''unsigned comment from [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] ([[User talk:ArceusEX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ArceusEX|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Your talk page is where people will talk to you. You have no reason to make subpages for such trivial things. Also, there is no need to make announcements such as that on your talk page. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Please==
Slow down on editing the <code>User:</code> namespace. There are only three userspace edits allowed per day, and you have gone over the limit. Editing your userpage too much will lead to it being locked again. Instead of making multiple small edits, why not instead use the preview button (Alt + Shift + P) to check your edits before saving the page? Thank you. ----The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 21:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

:yes 3 people said that [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

::Well, just make sure to only make 3 edits per day. Also, indent your comments, please. [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 21:15 12/16/2008

:::okay [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:19, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay, here's a brief explanation
#When indenting comments, you don't have to press Enter. The computer automatically puts it on a new line.
#When indenting, put one more indent than the person who commented before. However, you may reset the indent if there are a crazy high amount of them, or if {{tt|you are going to stray away from the topic|Which you normally SHOULDN'T do}}.--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 21:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== Excuse me... ==

May I know what you were attempting to achieve with your edits on [[Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)]]?--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 20:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

no you wont know rotom non legendary believer [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:00, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 1

2008-12-17T20:57:27Z

ArceusEX:

<big><big><big>'''HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT. THE PAGE HAS CODING ON IT SO THAT THE TYPE WILL CHANGE RANDOMLY (or not so much, really just according to the time). DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A {{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|0=???|1=Normal|2=Fighting|3=Flying|4=Poison|5=Ground|6=Rock|7=Bug|8=Ghost|9=Steel|10=Fire|11=Water|12=Grass|13=Electric|14=Psychic|15=Ice|16=Dragon|17=Dark}}}}- TYPE! It just IS!'''</big></big></big> (Also keep in mind that it doesn't matter which type it is; you guys are smart, you can tell what moves are STAB for which plate... I hope...)
----

Um, {{u|TTEchidna}}, you put down that Arseus can become an ???-type Pokémon by holding a ??? Plate. Where'd you get that from?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Man u have got to be kidding me Arceus catch rate should not be 3. I used my Action replay to get the item 4 arceus then i went and caought it on my 5th dusk ball. My friend caought it on him 1st ultra ball. Another friend i gave the item 2 caught it on his 2nd qiuck ball- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Arguntom|Arguntom]] ([[User talk:Arguntom|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arguntom|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Man, you have to be kidding me, you can't even spell the word "you" right. Arceus's catch rate is 3. If you'll notice, those balls multiply the catch rate formula by quite a bit, which greatly increases the chance to be caught. Plus, it's all on luck, I've had Magikarp break out of balls before. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I added an alternative origin to Arceus's name that I found on: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=286767.[[User:Draconium|Draconium]] 23:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

==Is there a point...==
Is there a point of having a table for each of the plates when it is attached to Arceus?
We could just have Arceus without a plate, and then have each title with an image and a sentence saying what type Arceus changes to.
For Example:

==Type effectiveness==
===No plate equipped===
{{DP type effectiveness|
type1=normal|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 0 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}
[[Image:Spr 4d 493-Fire.png|thumb|right|Sprite for {{type2|Fire}} Arceus]]
===With Flame Plate===
When the Flame Plate is attached to Arceus, it becomes a Fire type.

etc... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 23:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

==Picture==
I have this picture:

[[Image:Arceus.PNG]]

I did not draw it. I want to use it on the page. It is much better than trying to stare at a tiny sprite. --[[User:Stinkoman|Stinkoman]] 15:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

:Better than a sprite for sure, but it'd be nice if we could find one without such bad compression artifacts. [[User:Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur|Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]] 22:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think we should really be using an unofficial image for the page. What would be nice is if somebody could get a nice, high-quality (as in NOT a photo of the monitor) screenshot of ARceus from PBR.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:::You mean hack an Arceus and copy it into PBR?
[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[Gallade (Pokémon)|448]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 11:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

== Sprites? ==

Should we include separate sprite templates for all of the forms, or just do it for one? I know that Unown and Castform, among others, would serve the same problem. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

== Art?! ==

I'd like to know the source of Arceus' picture. Mainly because it hasn't been revealed yet. TinaTheKirlia 02:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:It's a piece of fanart. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 02:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::That's what I thought, although there was an edit that said "Official Art" or something and it was rather confusing. TinaTheKirlia 16:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I think we should replace that art with a sprite. It seems inaccurate... Mariocaper 19:19, 20 September 2007

Yeah, and we could enlarge the size of the sprite so it won't be that tiny anymore, right? [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani475.gif '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 06:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:Enlarged sprites look terrible. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 06:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::Couldn't we get a PBR screenshot? And I mean a screenshot, not someone pointing their camera at a television? (We need that for Rosy and Sashay, too...)--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:13, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::I can't, my FRAPS only works on full screen games like Maple Story...I think we could take the Arceus photo, enlarge it and sharpen it a little, then put it back on bulba. The only problem with this is that the sprite would be oversize...
:::I hope that you have permission to use that piece of fan art. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 21:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::I've got five PBR shots. They're all in my [[User:Optimus35/Sandbox|sandbox]]. Click on the links under 'Arceus'. Tell me which one looks best on my talk page and I'll upload it onto Bulbagarden Archives...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 09:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Change the pic!
[[User:Crystallucario|Crystallucario]] 14:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
:The reason why we're not changing it is because it's nicely done fanart, and it's more easier to look at this instead of a sprite.
:Otherwise it'd be absolute hell for me to draw Arceus. Still is, but certainly more easier than looking at a sprite. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
hmmm maybe ok whatever...
[[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario 12:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
::...except, do we have permission to use the image? The image page doesn't seem to claim it at all, so I'm going to go ahead and guess that we're doing something illegal or at least unethical here. Seriously, why can't we just use a PBR shot?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Since when was pokemon ever ethical? Think about it, the aim of the game is to run away from home at 10 years old (good parenting skills mom) and after having abuse a poor little starly to the brink of death by slashing it over and over again with false swipe you throw something at it, only adding to the poor creature's pain and torture only to trap it inside a small, cramped chamber for the rest of its unnatural life whilst using it to abuse other pokemon. But anyways I digress, the point is the piece of fanart looks nice, is accurate and fits in perfectly with all the official pokemon artwork. Hell when I first visited the page I thought it WAS a piece of official artwork. A PBR snapshot would not be at all as effective as the fanart. So no, we ain't havin a PBR shot. [[User:Wikid|Wikid]] 16:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

::::No one is questioning the ethics of the series, just in using someone else's work without their consent. Besides, the face is drawn wrong. There should be more lines running across it. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::The artwork in question is drawn by Seyanni of Deviant Art. If no one has contacted him yet for permission, I could see if I can get a PM through, though I'm not sure if this would be the correct thing to do in this case. The fan art is, as mentioned above, not completely accurate, as Arceus has one more line running across its face, and the "wheel" on its body is also conflicting with what is shown not only on the sprite, but what is shown in PBR (a more pointed frame, with gems in the crosses, not green circles). If there's no permission (currently not proven) and because it's innaccurate, isn't the right thing to put the sprite up until the official art is revealed? However, if the quality of the sprite is the concern (many seem to be worried about the overall look of the page), perhaps I could offer you the rights to use my art on this page? It's 100% PBR and sprite accurate, and the quality is clear and it looks professional. I'm not trying to start another image battle here, but I do believe that if the overall look of the page is the concern, coupled with the accuracy of the fan art, then my work would fill the role. If you're willing to look into it, I'm Xous54 on deviant art, and the work I'm willing to allow use of is http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Official-Pose-of-Arceus-100490528 . I can resize the piece and remove the signatures if this wiki finds the piece acceptable for the replacement.[[User:Xous|Xous]] 19:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== Metronome ==

My Mew used Judgement through Metronome. Should I include something like this under "Trivia":

Although Nintendo is attempting to keep Arceus secret, it is possible for Arceus's signature move, {{m|Judgment}}, to be used through {{m|Metronome}}, thus potentially revealing the existence of Arceus to otherwise unaware fans.

--[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani480MS.gif]] 20:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

i could draw arceus if that would help. i like drawing pokémon. {{u|talonclawz}} new comer!!!!!!!!!! [[Image:Ani444MS.gif‎]]

== Shishigami? ==

Should any mention of the Forest Spirit Shishigami from Miyazaki Hayao's Mononoke-Hime be mentioned in the article? Arceus seems to have a resemblance to Shishigami. In addition, on the illegal hacked Pokémon Diamond (Telefang Power), Shishigami appears on the front, despite not having anything to do with the game (that's the way those criminals work), and then in the real Pokémon Diamond, Arceus was added. Does anyone else think that some trivia should be added about this? ~Kumori Satosuke
:Outside of the whole quadrupedal thing, I don't think there's anything else that's official to suggest a connection. For example, Arceus seems to be nothing outside of a creator, while shishigami is given dominion over life and death.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, I agree. There really isn't anything linking the two other than a vague (And I do mean VAGUE.) resemblance. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 14:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== ??? type sprite may prevent crash ==
Just a theory, but the programmers at Game Freak may have drawn and programmmed a ??? type Arceus to prevent game crashes. Anyone with a code patcher can figure out how to change a Pokémon's type. They might have figured that someone would tamper with Arceus's type, and if they changed it to a ??? type, and there was no sprite for it, the game would crash because it would try loading data that does not exist. That's my theory anyway. [[User:Fsilone|Fsilone]] 02:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:That's really logical. figure that by yourself? But I still don't know if we should put that in the article.[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 02:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

::im a little iffy on the grammer, but other than that i think its a fantastic theory and should be in the trivia section. excellent. now all i need to do is figure out how to do it myself in my game with the Action Replay... [[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TALK]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]] 02:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:::You can't - you need to edit the rom data - action replay only edits temporary and save data. Think so anyway. '''[[:User:Origamiguy|折り紙ガイ]] - [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|離す]][[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|貢献]]''' 15:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I think I don't see anything grammatically wrong. I copied the words above and reworded it into sentences.[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 02:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:yea, im probibly wrong, im not joking when i say i failed english class......twice...with a 54..... [[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TALK]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]] 03:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

what the heck is shishigami? is it a pokémon?(someone out there?) -{{u|talonclawz}} new comer!!!!! [[Image:212MS.gif]] 1:06, 5 April 2008

No. Wait a minute if you don't know that Errr...how new are you to Pokémon?[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']] 17:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

A shishigami is a Japanese god of death. [[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 14:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== {{type2|???}} Sprite ==

[[Image:Question-Type Arceus Before.jpg|thumb|left|Before]][[Image:Question-Type Arceus After.jpg|thumb|right|After]]How long has the sprite of ???-type Arceus been pulling that vanishing act? Basically, the only time you can see the sprite is when the white background on PNG-format images is still visible, as seen in the Before shot. Once the white backgrounds vanish, the rest of the sprite should still be there. However, on ???-type Arceus, the sprite vanishes along with the background, as seen in the After shot. Is there a way to fix this?

(The shots in question come from an area of my own user page, specifically a [[Template:User Favorite Move|favorite move tag]] programmed for a ???-type move and {{m|Curse}} with the Arceus sprite in question for a laugh. The [[Template:User 2000|2000-edits in a month tag]] above it is also shown for comparison.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 05:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:Wow. That's weird that it just disappears! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 11:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I think I figured out the vanishing act. It's due to the filename. Many operating systems don't allow question marks in filenames, and it's probably due to those that caused the image to vanish. I went and uploaded an image to [[a:Image:Spr 4d 493-Unknown.png|Image:Spr 4d 493-Unknown.png]] on the archives, and that image works as it should! Every instance of the vanishing image has been changed to the one that doesn't vanish, so you won't be seeing vanishing ???-type Arceus again anytime soon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Pic ==

Okay, I remember {{u|Urutapu}} saying something about a screenshot of Arceus from PBR. Well, I got a Wii ''and'' PBR for Christmas. And I have *cough*cheated*cough* four Arceuses. All I need now is a good-quality emulator that can screenshot my Wii with. Any suggestions?
--{{u|Stinkoman}}

Somehow theres a way of putting a SCART socket into your PC and running it through that. My mate's computer can do that but i think it had the socket when he bought it. [[Image:Ani258MS.gif]][[User:Origamiguy|OrigamiGuy]] Lieks [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Mudkipz]][[Image:Ani258MS.gif]]

== Officially been revealed ==
Until this Pokemon has been officially revealed (by Nintendo or Coro Coro magazine) this page should be removed, because the only reason why there is proof of its existence is through a hacking or cheating device.
:WHAT! This page should be included on here. If it is in the Game, weather or not if it has been reaveled, it IS STILL IN THE GAME WITHOUT HAVING TO BE MADE{{Ani|493}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']]{{Ani|491}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|''' Is''']]{{Ani|426}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']]{{Ani|473}}
::Yea, this page is about a Pokémon. In case you don't know (hopefully you do), this is a Pokémon encyclopedia. This page is like mandatory. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 02:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Exactly. We have pages for all Pokémon ''officially programmed into the games''. Would you come here before Deoxys was revealed and say "NUH UH THERE'S ONLY 201 IN HOENN DEOXYS IS A HAKKER ONLY POKEMAN." Arceus is official, they're just holding off on the official revelation. Besides... plenty of Pokémon from each generation were never revealed through CoroCoro or by Nintendo individually. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 07:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I may only be 10, but take it from me. Arceus is real. It is on pokemon.com's pokedex.[[User:DaPikanator56|DaPikanator56]] 18:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC){{u|DaPikanator56}}
:Well, actually, it's not on the PokéDex on [[Pokemon.com]], but yes, it is real. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 13:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
::An example of what TTE said would be the Porygons. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]02:32 30 Mar 2008'''

Oh yeah! It and ummm... {{p|Shaymin}} I think aren't Theryguy.[[User:DaPikanator56|DaPikanator56]] 18:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC){{u|DaPikanator56}}
:Shaymin has been acknowledged by official Japanese sources. And to address the original point, we are not Wikipedia. Everyone knows that Arceus is real, so this page is a necessity. Hell, we have articles for a lot of glitch Pokémon so a real one definately passes. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

True...Oh, and by the way, in the summer I will shorten my visits here, but this place rules! It ain't demented like Chuckie Cheese's.
:) ^-^[[User:DaPikanator56|DaPikanator56]] 22:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)DaPikanator56

Arceus is already in the game (I actually have it (with the help of an Action Replay of course)), so this page doesn't need to go anywhere. Little do people know, Arceus is probably watching the whole time the player is beating up Team Galactic and catching Dialga/Palkia, seeing as the platform Arceus is on is floating over the Spear Pillar. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 18:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

==Picture==

I found this picture interesting, but low quality. [http://www.pokebeach.com/news/0507/arceus.jpg its on www.pokebeach.com] --[[User:Britannia's Blade|Britannia's Blade]] 21:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:Good find, but it's already linked from the article [[Arceus (Pokémon)#External links|right here]]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 23:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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I also just found this one [http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/arceus.png ****] Fan art of course but very serious looking, Lots more like it [http://www.arkeis.com/legendaries.htm here] what do you think? --[[User:Britannia's Blade|Britannia's Blade]] 18:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:I don't see how fanart is very notable to put up here.. >_> [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::The one we have right now will do us until Arcy is revealed next year. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::What about this one? - [http://www.pokebeach.com/news/0507/arceus2.jpg (1)] '''[[:User:Origamiguy|折り紙ガイ]] - [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|離す]][[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|貢献]]''' 15:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
::::-Gasp- Why not that one! Ooo, take it! TAKE IT!!! '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Optimatum</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:53 2 May 2008'''''
TTE, Arceus isn't going 2 be revealed 4 two years yet. [[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 14:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

==Arceus and Giratina==
Aren't Arceus and Giratina sort of opposites of each other because Arceus is God and Giratina is the devil sort of, I mean Arceus didn't create Giratina so that means they were the two entities before time started. [[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 17:46 15 May 2008
:Maybe you're right, but i think that Giratina is part of the Dragon Trio. [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giratina is the BOSS! It saved the two other Pokamon! Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''01:04 17 May 2008'''''
:Hold on, there's no reason to get angry. Why can't we just WAIT until Arceus is officially revealed? Isn't that BETTER than argueing? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

In my eyes it would be

Dialga + Palkia = Rivals (Time VS Space)

Giratina + Arceus = Rivals (God VS Darkness?)

So yeah, regardless of the fact Giratina is part of the Dragon Trio.
(''Thinking about it, those four are exactly the same as my characters |: Lily = Controls Time. Darkness = Controls Space. Akito = Controls Death. Rose = Controls Life/Is a sort-of God. But anyway, my characters are irrelevant too this xD'') [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 14:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:So, Arceus is God/JesusHoly Spirit, and Giratina is Satan? O.O It's Da '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:03 26 May 2008'''''
::Arceus is Arceus. Giratina is Giratina. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Meh, that's the Atheist way of seeing it. Hey, wait, am I about to be stone for being anti-atheist? Damn. It's Da '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:13 26 May 2008'''''
::::I didn't say Giratina was Satan, i simply said he was...darkness. [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 02:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
My question is, how do you KNOW Giratina is bad, or if Arceus is even good? How do you KNOW Giratina wasn't created by Arceus? You don't. Besides, Neither ot them are from Christianity, and U know what? I'm a devout Christian and I don't care if Arceus wasn't based off of my God. [[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 14:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Does anybody want to see it this way, "WE SHOULD ALL JUST WAIT"? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 22:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think Giratina is evil. You don't have too be evil/whatever to control darkness/whatever Giratina controls. I do not think Giratina is evil! [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 22:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Is this text INVISIBLE? WE SHOULD ALL JUST WAIT! [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 00:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Thank you, good people of bulbapedia, for waiting. [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 00:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Giratina isn't bad, or evil, or a demon, or any of that bull****. They make Darkrai seem like he's evil in The Rise of Darkrai, but he wasn't. Just because Giratina lives in a graveyard doesn't mean he's evil. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 18:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm thinking that Giratina will be added to "The Original Story." Remember how, in Ruby an Sapphire, the only ones mentioned in the old man's story were Groudon and Kyogre, with Rayquaza a non-storyline okemon, but then, in Emerald, it became a vital part of the game? Same with Giratina. -[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 02:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
WAIT! [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
: I AM waiting. It's merely a theory, and could be entirely wrong. I'm just trying to soothe the tensions here.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::Ok, it's been a few months since I last looked up here and I now think that it is wise to wait, but it is also important to FRIENDLY share ideas, instead of course doing something like this,"No, your wrong! BLAH! BLAH-BLAH!" ,also you are right to try to soothe tensions. [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
THANK YOU. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 04:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

== More sprites ==

Ok, so we have all the type sprites for Arceus and it's shiny sprite, but we don't have shiny forms for Arceus' other types. Could someone please tell me if it's possible to get those sprites and if so get them for us? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 12:08, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:If i could, i would, but i can't, so i can't help you. I'm not even 100% sure Arceus's other-type sprites HAVE shiny versions of them :| [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 14:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
::They do. And a simple method is to color the sprites the right color. The white portion of the body is the only part which remains constant throughout the non-shiny forms. and when it becomes shiny, the rings are the same color as those of the non-shiny ones. The only thing that differs between non-shiny and shiny is the white portion, which turns yellow. It's Da '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:01 26 May 2008'''''
:So... could you do that for us as a favor? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 22:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::I might have those sprites on my computer somewhere. Want me to upload them? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 20:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:Why don't you recolor them...it will be easy.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 00:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
::I dont no how... [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 00:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm...I would do it, but I'm very busy right now, you could go ask hcfx2 for help, he's great at recoloration.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 00:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:Nevermind, i found them on "a:Catagory:Arceus". But thanks :) [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 01:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== Metronome and Judgement ==

If a player knows nothing about Arceus, how would they know that Judgement is its signature attack? Even if it is used by a Pokémon using Metronome. So could Metronome really spoil the surprise? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 02:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not really. ^^; Metronome can do ANYTHING. Even Explosion so...'''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''02:54 4 Jun 2008'''''
::Well, if they were like "Ooh, what learns that?!" and can't find anyone, they'll suspect it to be some crazy legendary not yet shown. And have lived under a rock since EVERYONE KNOWS OF ARCEUS. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Hmm, then Singapore must be under a rock. Only two people I know know what's Arceus, that includes me. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''03:12 4 Jun 2008'''''
::::Or this is nintendo's way of teasing us. kinda like,
Player:"What pokémon learns this?"
Nintendo:"Wait and see"
Player:"You suck."[[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 12:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I only ask because of this quote in the trivia:

"''Although Nintendo is attempting to keep Arceus secret, it is possible for Arceus's signature move, Judgment, to be used through Metronome, thus potentially revealing the existence of Arceus to otherwise unaware fans.''"

Plus, Nintendo ''has'' to know that the majority of their fanbase uses the internet. Every Pokémon website except the "official" ones have info on Arceus. A lot of them even before the games were released globally. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:The majority of the fanbase are kids who don't necessarily visit fansites. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::No ([[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 16:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC))
:::Yes. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::No ([[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 16:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

:::::I would have to disagree with that statement. I believe that most fans may have been kids at the beginning when Pokémon first came out, but now have grown as the series has. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

A similar thing happened to me when I was playing PBR. I ordered my Togepi to use Metronome and out came Judgment. I wondered what Pokémon used this move until I checked this site and I found Arceus. I didn't even know about its existence AT ALL when Metronome was used that one year ago... {{ani|385}}[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 18:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus's pattern in the anime? ==

I didn't get a second look (mainly because I deleted the episode from my DVR), but I heard in the episode "Journey to the Unknown!" that Saturn was holding a cube with Arceus's pattern on it... [[User:ShinyRayquaza|ShinyRayquaza]] 19:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus + Sky Plate? ==

If you attach a Sky Plate to Arceus, wouldn't that make it become the first pure Flying-type Pokémon? [[User:Wynautluvr|Wynautluvr]] 16:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

:It is the first "permanent" pure Flying-type. The Porygon line can become Flying-types with their Conversion moves, and Kecleon can with its Color Change Ability. These Pokémon, however, revert back to Normal when the battle is over. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

::It's not permanent, in that you can change the plate and it loses the pure-flying status... '''[[:User:Origamiguy|Lord]] of [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|Ori]][[Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|gami]]''' 15:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:::It's permanent in that it doesn't go away just because the battle ends. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
::::No its not. Its only a permanent flying type if its natural type (i.e. no plate) is flying. You might as well say its also the first permamnent ??? type since it can become that (potentially) too.[[User:Wikid|Wikid]] 16:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::If you never remove the plate, then it's permanent. Plus, you can't obtain a ???-type Arceus in-game in any normal fashion. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::: Says you. firstly, the word permanent implies that the typing can never be changed. If you unequip the plate Arceus goes back to normal therefore it's not permanent. At best I would say its semi-permament. Secondly, there might a ??? plate given out at an event or found somewhere in platinum like Glacidia's flower. ??? forme arceus might be the result when you enter the torn world with arceus. It might even be what Arceus looks like when it is a shadow pokemon as there might be a new game coming out to do with shadow pokemon and DPP might be the first generation where you can trade shadow pokemon over. Therefore if you can trade it as shadow poke between DP and platinum then there is a way to get an ??? forme Arceus in a normal fashion.[[User:Wikid|Wikid]] 17:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Fine. "Semi-permanent". ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== The ??? Plate ==

The ??? Plate exists, It is named mysterious plate by CodeJunkies, It may also be encountered in the underground as a Malfunction, people got this (like my brother) and attached it to ARCEUS, making the ??? type, no weaknesses are found on this type--[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] 00:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
:Believe me, people code-spelunk like there's no tomorrow...there isn't such thing.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

can M.vit at least tell how did his brother encounter such a plate, and how does it function with other Pokémon?and what happens to a Pokémon who knows the move [[curse]]

can somebody edit this article . It says that Arceus creted the Pokémon Universe,''Dragon trio'' and lake trio. Till now the dragon trio isn't officially confirmed. so whether I or somebody else should change the Dragon trio to the time-space duo: Dialga and Palkia.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

well, seems that nobody is out of topic, BTW, i have seem to find this code in Code Junkies here it is
Mysterious Plate x999
94000130 fcff0000
b21c4d28 00000000
b0000004 00000000
00000890 03e70133
d2000000 00000000--[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] 16:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:The plates all have different names on CodeJunkies which are the translated Japenese names. I believe the Mysterious Plate is actually the Mind Plate. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
::Your right, it is the mind plate. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 16:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

There. Is. No. ???. Plate. The only move outside of the gamecube games that is ??? type doesn't do direct damage- so it doesn't need a plate. I for one agree with an above topic- the sprite is used to prevent a crash.Any self-respecting hacker can change Arceus's type into ???.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

==type change==

Keckleons ability color change changes its type according to the move done by the opponent so if ???-type arceus used judjement, will it change its type? can anyone experiment?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:The fact that you can't get a ??? plate makes it difficult to say. I have no idea what would happen...♪♪[[User:ShinyPachirisu|Shiny]] [[User Talk:ShinyPachirisu|Pachirisu]] :) ♪♪ 13:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

::???-type moves have been hacked and have no effect. So Kecleon would probably be unaffected. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 13:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, they do have an effect... they just deal minimal damage. Lemme see what it does in Gen III later on... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== [[Pal Park]] ==

Will it really freeze the game when you put Arceus infront of the party and bla bla bla to the Pal Park?
[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 03:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
:Why would it do that? [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard any such rumor. What exactly is supposed to happen? [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 16:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Now... ==

Isn't what I did so freaking cool? I mean, look at it. And the best thing is that it is totally dependent on the ''exact second'' that you save/access the page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
:A fine template, indeed. Would it be useful to use something like this to generate random examples in paragraphs?
:P.S.: What you did (a calculation based on a clock) is even a good idea for a new ability or move in the game that picks a random type. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 07:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
::Now if we only had the backsprites for the various forms...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Two clock-based calculations would make it even more random. Watch this. {{#expr: ({{#time: U}} div {{#time: s}}) mod 9002}} {{#ifexpr: (({{#time: U}} div {{#time: s}}) mod 9002) > 9000|<big>'''← IT'S OVER 9000!!!'''</big>}}
:::As for random examples... hmm... Well, what are you thinking?
:::And I wish for the backsprites, too... And the minisprite, does it change with Arceus? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

==Arceus in My Pokémon Ranch==
For a fact,someone in the German forum BisaBoard got Arceus as one of the daily Pokémon!This person was -like me- totally dumbfounded and opened that thread to know more about this phenomena.
I've asked some expert in the same message board if this would be really possible.To my surprise,he said that he checked the programme code and Arceus is really included!I think this MUST be put into the Trivia section.[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie legend]]

:How does one check the program code of a Wii Ware title? And of course Arceus would be there, it can be deposited just like any other Pokémon. Plus, I ''doubt'' that Hayley will trade you an Arceus... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

::Might be wrong, but I believe there is a set list of Pokémon Hayley will only trade off, which was found and released in dr_nza's FAQ found [http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/file/943658/53074 here]. The Pokémon Hayley brings are random, so I guess Arceus is a possibility, but Hayley won't be able to trade it off. - [[User:Legotim|█╬▓◘ ’M █╚▓█ (ţś_łєğǿŧΐм)]] [[User talk:Legotim|spreche]] 05:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

==Hmmm....==
Should we add that Arceus is the most hacked Pokemon? Every hacker I know owns a Arceus ''and'' all its plates. [[User:Strong Intelligent|Strong Intelligent]]
:No. tc26 14:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
::I own all the plates too. I got them underground. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

:::I spent so much time underground that I have more than one of each plate. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 03:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

In any case, the most hacked pokemon is probably Mew...[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

== Church? ==

{{u|Sui}} keeps adding an external link to "The Church of Arceus." I'm wondering whether or not this is notable enough, or if it's just an advertisement for an obscure fansite. I don't know anything, so you guys be the judges. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 21:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== Ūber? ==

If [[Arceus]] isn't offically reveiled, how can it be called Ūber? Can't spell.

☆ShinyPiKa 19:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)☆
:Well, some people hack into their games and can get Arceus that way. So they know that way. ...I really dunno [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 19:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

::His stats put him in the league of the strongest Pokemon of all, so he's safe to call that. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 19:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

::: Although that is true, it isn't revealed yet so it can't be under that catagory '''yet'''. It's been annoying me, please remove it. ShinyPiKa 19:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:::It's being used, and people are able to--gasp, shocker--read its stats! And, since its stats (and movepool, for that matter) are pretty decent, it can be classified as "uber," despite it being revealed or not. --'''[[User:Gabbie|gabbie]]''' | '''[[User_talk:Gabbie|talk]]''' 21:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:::: But people still use Arceus on Wi-Fi. Darkrai and Shaymin were in and are still in the UBER tier so why should Arceus be any different?--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaz]][[User talk:Blazevoir|evoir]] 20:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

::::: Because it hasn't been revealed yet !!! :D ShinyPiKa 22:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::You cant use Arceyus in the battle tower. [[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 09:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::: Please remove [[Arceus]] from the Ūber secion 4 now, when its reveaaled u can add it back.ShinyPiKa 15:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: Why? Every other website considers it ÜBER. Why should Bulba be any different?--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaz]][[User talk:Blazevoir|evoir]] 15:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Because people think Nintendo will kill us for actually taking note of their stuff before they officially reveal them. Unlike Platinum's existence before May 15, though, it can be proven that Arceus exists. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

The wording differs, but here's the basic definition of an Ūber Legendary: Any Pokémon that is banned by the Battle Tower. This, if you check invludes all definite Ūbers and no definite non-Ūbers. Arceus is banned; therefore, I say he is an Ūber. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 16:38, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus vs. Mew ==

This is all that Mew's Pokédex entries say:

*Because it can use all kinds of moves, many scientists believe Mew to be the ancestor of Pokémon.
*Mew is said to possess the genetic composition of all Pokémon.
*Because it can learn any move, some people began research to see if it is the ancestor of all Pokémon.

First off, this kind of stuff didn't appear until Silver. Second off, it is ''very'' couched in uncertainty, and it is ''never'' said that its actually been shown to possess every type of DNA - ''only that its ability to perform any move has generated that rumor''.

Second off, several Pokémon are completely artificial, such as {{p|Grimer}}/{{p|Muk}}, {{p|Castform}}, or {{p|Porygon}}/{{p|Porygon2}}/{{p|Porygon-Z}}. So, how could Mew be considered their "ancestor", or have their DNA, if its supposed to be the "first Pokemon"? Wouldn't having the DNA of Pokemon who appeared completely separate from any genetic lineage instead imply Mew was their descendant?

Porygon is even said to be "A Pokémon that consists entirely of programming code." So, no DNA at all, and its upgrades are said to simply have had AI installed.

Even allowing for the monstrously egregious interpretations of genetics in the series, the idea that having all the DNA of a group makes you its ancestor is hogwash - its entirely the other way around.

Now, lets look at Arceus, and its info.
*It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed.
*It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms.
* "Two beings of time and space set free from the Original One."
* "Three beings were born to bind time and space."
* "Two make matter and three make spirit, shaping the world."
* "The Original One breathed alone before the universe came."

Now, this is ''much'' more explicit than the Mew bit '''ever''' was. It makes it absolutely clear that Arceus came ''before even the universe itself, much less other Pokémon'', and that it in fact created the world and life itself. Once could claim that this is uncertain do to its status as "mythology", but that would be hilariously in denial of how the series has used mythology so far - as an origin story, not as something by definition uncertain or false.

How is there even a dispute about this? If it's a retcon at all, it's a fairly small one - it was clear from the beginning that the bit about Mew being the origin had a contradictory explanation.

Now, what could work is that Mew is supposed to be god-like like Arceus and other Legendaries - in this case, it would logically be some scion of life, which would in fact explain its design. If the bit about Mew containing all other DNA turned out to be "true", in the context of the franchise, then this would also make much more sense than the pseudo-scientific jargon used in Silver - Mew contains the DNA because it is the ultimate personification of life/birth, and the scientists are trying to force a contradictory explanation for the oddity in order to deny its true, supernatural origin.

So can we please stop claiming things like the D/P Pokedex "still stating that it's the ancestor of all pokémon", or that "it's no different than people believing Arceus is the creator"? [[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:Creationism vs science? In my Pokémon? It's more likely than you think! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

::ummm... "Uncertain", If I recall correctly, it can learn "Transform", which, unless I'm mistaken, involves the recombination of it's own DNA to match said pokemon that transforms. And, since Ditto's Pokédex entry hints that how it transforms involves it recombining it's DNA to match the pokémon it's trying to match, the same can easily be said for Mew. So, really, considering how it knows transform, and it can transform into a lot of pokémon, even legendaries that were supposedly created before it, it still has merit in regards to having the DNA of all pokémon, and thus being the ancestor of all pokémon.

::As for the Porygon/2/z example, considering the mere fact that Mew can transform into these three pokémon DESPITE apparantly not having their DNA, I think that those Pokémon have a miniscule amount of Mew's DNA (otherwise, how can Ditto [Or mew, for that matter] transform into them?].). Besides, just because they are composed entirely of AI (whether it's the free will kind or not doesn't matter) doesn't mean it can't have DNA. Take the Mega Man series (specifically, the Mega Man X subseries through the Mega Man ZX series.), the Reploids were mentioned to be complete Machines (all derived from X's design), and yet the games also mentions that they have DNA (Reploid "DNA" was used to form the Nightmare Virus, and also revive Necromances III, Harumachine, Blizzard Staggoff, and Copy X. Plus, Axl's ability involves him mimicking his enemies (and in the case of Command Mission and [Technically] ZX advent, even bosses.).

::And anyways, Mew can also transform into Grimer, Muk, and Castform, which, if Mew didn't have their DNA, then how can Mew OR Ditto even transform into them?

::Also, about it's pokedex entries, both of them contradict themselves. I mean, one says that it was born before the universe existed, and yet, the other hints that it was born a little while AFTER the Universe was created, and that all IT did was merely "shape" the universe. Plus, it doesn't even HAVE 1,000 arms in its sprite, and not only that, but It also apparantly can't even learn any attacks involving arms, such as all of the punch variants.

::as for the origin book, that ALSO doesn't mention Giratina (yet, anyways, for all we know, Platinum could add it in.), and plus, that same thing hinted that Dialga and Palkia are two halves of Arceus, but then, why cant they merge together (I mean, Dragon Quest, and Mephiles the Dark could do it without much trouble from programming data, so why cant D/P)?

::and anyways, the legends also hinted that Legendaries can't be captured by mere mortals, yet most of the crime syndicates, the Pyramid King and even the protagonist has been wielding these pokemon as if they were nothing.

::That's my ruling as to how the thing isn't retconned (well, that, as well as the fact that, if it was, then wouldn't they have removed the entry from the Pokédex?) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:49, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

lets remember that game physics are different from animé physics. Dialga, Palkia and giratina symbolise physics of the Pokémon world: time, space and dimensions,so if Arceus is the master of them that wouldn't make sense:creationism and science don't go together. Mew can transform its appearance, but not the nature or unique functions of a Pokémon, and if we follow good sense we can also say that it can't copy Pokémon which evolved in a special way because their not ''original'' like trading its bioligical fusion of item and Pokémon DNA.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

:I'm pretty sure that it can copy even those that evolved in a "special" way in even the Anime. Remember, Weavile evolves from Sneasel via the Sharp Claw item, which also fits under the special way, and despite that, Mew STILL transformed into that pokemon in the Lucario Movie. If it can evolve through something like that, I'm pretty certain that it is even ancestral to those pokemon who evolve via special means. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Wait, '''''what?''''' You're saying that ''because it can do something that '''Ditto''' can do'', it must be the ancestor of all Pokemon? Wouldn't this also require Ditto to be the ancestor of all Pokemon?
:::'''Porygon''': Then you are making up things contradictory to the established in-game facts in order to force in your own fan-theory. Almost every Pokedex entry for the Porygon line reiterates that they have NOTHING but programming code.
:::'''MegaMan X''': It is never, ''ever'' stated that the robots are "completely mechanical" - that they have souls, DNA, and can merge with living things pretty much makes that theory impossible. DNA is a very specific thing - it's ''not'' a general concept about information derivation, it's a ''specific organic acid''.
:::'''Axl''': His ability has NOTHING to do with DNA, and is never claimed to. It's essentially analogous to what Transformers do.
:::'''Muk''': I didn't say that Mew didn't necessarily possess the DNA of all creatures, though that's not the only way to copy them. I said that claiming this meant it was the ancestor was so completely ignorant of evolution and genetics that it deserves ridicule.
:::However, Ditto is able to copy them because it is an amoeba, and can change the shape of its body at will. To be fair, it is ''once'' said to be able to copy the opponent's genetic code - which would only work AFTER seeing the opponent. As that is EXACTLY how Transform is described anyway, that theory is blown out of the water.
:::'''Arceus' Pokedex''': This is a bald-faced lie. The pokedex entries in no way claim that Arceus came to be after the Universe existed - at best, they claim he came before it, created it, and shaped it.
:::'''Arms''': Have you considered the fact that it could have lost them, or given them up? It is the only Arceus in existence, by the very necessity of its being, so its not going to be something like "They're all born without the arms". It "set free" all those legendaries from itself - maybe it made them from its arms, like so '''very''' many Creation Myths, ''especially the linked Pangu one''.
:::You could also consider that "1000" is often used in Japanese writing to mean "many", instead of a specific number, and as the trios of matter and spirit are considered extensions of Arceus, they could be its "appendages" in a spiritual sense. Seriously, that part of its Pokedex isn't contradictory ''at all''.
:::'''Merge''': What does this have to do with ''anything''? Why would Dragon Quest have any bearing on this?
:::'''Legends''': In the games? No, the legends don't claim that, so the fact that certain legendaries fight with trainers is not contradictory, regardless of your false assertion that it's "like nothing". In the anime, where the legends imply that messing with them is incredibly dangerous to the natural order...well, I'll just let you watch the movies, or something, and try to claim that it's "like nothing".
:::'''Remove''': Why would it be removed? It never claimed anything that was '''false''' - again, '''''it only claims that fictional scientists have a tenuous, uncertain belief based on one of its abilities'''''. The deliberate uncertainty of the Pokedex entries, in contrast to nearly every other Pokedex entry, even for Legendaries, has to be considered. If it's not simply a monstrous misunderstanding of genetics on the game designer's part, then it's almost certainly meant to be a reference to "Supernatural vs. Naturalist science".
::::''"If it can evolve through something like that, I'm pretty certain that it is even ancestral to those pokemon who evolve via special means."''
:::Again, this is inherently contradictory. If these are supposed to be new Pokemon, who only came into existence through a modern item, how could Mew possibly be said to already contain their DNA just because it can ''copy their form''? Remember, Porygon is said to be completely artificial, not an accident like Muk or Grimer.
::::''"lets remember that game physics are different from animé physics. Dialga, Palkia and giratina symbolise physics of the Pokémon world: time, space and dimensions,so if Arceus is the master of them that wouldn't make sense:creationism and science don't go together."'''
:::If Arceus is their master, then that would be in-game science. Science is the pursuit of ''truth'', not the pursuit of purely-materialistic explanations whether it's the truth or not.
:::Also, Giratina would symbolize the afterlife, or some other term for "The Other", not dimensions - "space", in the concept referred to by the triad, would necessarily contain dimensions already, parallel or measurable.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm not SAYING that Ditto necessarily IS the ancestor, I only brought it into the picture since it's the only OTHER pokemon to know Transform. And besides which, the Pokédex entry for Ditto explicitly stated that it can transform by rearranging it's Genetic Structure (in other words, it's DNA) to that of it's target. It ALSO replicates their move set and, unless I'm mistaken, even their stats and natures.
::::actually, the Pokedex contradicted ITSELF in that case. I mean, if it doesn't have ANY DNA, then Ditto (not to mention Mew) couldn't transform into it OR it's family, and we all know that it can. Try and get a ditto, and try to face off against Porygon or it's family members in your games, and use transform against it if you don't believe me.
::::Ahem... when I said "Mega Man X" I mean from the Mega Man X saga ALL THE WAY to Mega Man ZX saga. In Mega Man Zero 4: ''Intro: The Reploids... They were robots designed to look like humans... these '''technical marvels''' were given unique personalities and were intended to be the perfect workers and the perfect partners of mankind...'' Later, Dr. Weil says something that would hint at Reploid being COMPLETELY mechanical. This is when Zero encounters him at the Ragnarōk core: Dr. Weil: ''Justice!? Freedom!? Worthless ideals! '''You Reploids are Just Machines, but you started a war a long time ago in the name of freedom!''' And Humans! Look what they did to me! Driving Me away while spurting the word "Justice!"'' And don't assume that he knows nothing about Reploid Physiology since he worked on reviving Reploids prior to his banishment from Neo Arcadia, and besides which, the reason why he was banished was because he created Dark Elf and augmented Zero's original body to become the horrific Omega, as well as instigated the Elf Wars. That shows that he knows quite a LOT about Reploids.
::::as for Axl, it was indeed DNA. in fact, Model A, whose personality (as well as his abilities and the form that Grey/Ashe take on when Megamerging with Model A) is clearly Based off of Axl, and would have easily been labeled as a reincarnation of Axl if Master Albert didn't say that it was actually "Model Albert". Heck, after beating Buckfire in the game, he explicitly mentions that he absorbed Buckfire's DNA, which would allow Grey/ashe to transform and utilize his abilities at will.
::::It also mentioned that Mew possessed the DNA of all Pokémon, though (and anyways, just saying that it "possesses the Genetic code for "pokémon" pretty much implies ALL Pokemon.). And that's what I was saying about Transform the whole time. I mean, Ancestors have to have the DNA of ALL Pokémon to actually be labeled as an Ancestor of all pokémon.
::::As for the Arceus entry, the way Pearl's Pokedex entry was worded made it seem as though it Shaped the universe as soon as it was born. And anyways, the Origin Myth implied that Arceus was the creator of the universe, whileas Pearl's Dex entry stated that it merely shaped it.
::::How can a god lose arms? I mean, Did Ares become one-armed? No, he didn't, and he has fought several wars where something like Decapitation or losing some part of limbs can be considered inevitable, esp. during his time.
::::Lets see, because the Origin thing mentioned that Dialga and Palkia are two halves of Arceus, and, if they were truly two halves of the same being, then having them both in your party would gain you a new arceus. but it doesn't.
::::Let's see, because only the Crime syndicates, the Hero/ine, and in one case, a BF leader, was able to capture legendaries. Also, in the Anime, the only time that the legendaries actually CAUSED a natural imbalance was in "Pokemon 2000", which even THEN, it was hinted that it was actually caused by territorial disputes rather than because it was captured in and of itself. most of the other movies and anime related things that featured legendaries didn't have the legendaries causing all Hades to break loose right when they were captured. Besides, as common in many mythos, A god simply cannot be captured by Mortals.
::::Because, if they didn't HAVE DNA, then Mew and Ditto CAN'T transform, since the move Transform requires the Genetic Code of a pokémon. Besides, that was directed at the guy who said that those who evolve via trades and items can't be related to Mew.
::::No, it's in game Mythology. The Origin story is nothing more than one big myth.
::::And yet it's constantly implied that Giratina is listed among Dialga and Palkia.
::::Anyways, that's all for now. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::'''Ditto''': Your logic was that, because it can use Transform, it must be the ancestor. Either this implies that Ditto is also the ancestor (a contradiction), or you need to not make such claims. Its inherently self-contradictory.
::While Ditto's profile ''does'' sometimes say that it '''copies''' (not already possesses) the opponent's genetic code, it also says that it is "Capable of reorganizing its cells to transform into an exact duplicate of its enemy. It is usually a shapeless blob.", and that it can transform to resemble a rock. It is explicitly clear from the Pokedex entries, the description of Transform, and how Ditto is presented in the series, that it is merely ''reshaping it's '''own''' genetic code to '''resemble''' something else''. Because, as we all know, ROCK's DON'T HAVE DNA.
::The description of Transform, and how Ditto uses it, does ''not'' require that the opponent has DNA, only that Ditto does. ''Please keep this in mind''.
::The definition of "machine" does not require that something be purely inorganic in nature, and neither of the quotes you provided really even claims anything near that. Weil's quote, in that case, is emotional, and almost certainly pointing out his view that Reploid's are inferior and by nature servants of humans. This is the view used by ''all'' the villains in the Zero series, and is actually a ''huge'' part of the conflict. Play the games again.
::'''Axl''': No, it's not DNA. It's never said to be DNA. It's said to be a special ability of his, to transform his body. Model A, while designed to be a callback to Axl, is NOT Axl. However, I grant you that the Shittenou are said to have been derived from X's DNA. As Reploids are ''never'' said to be completely mechanical, and DNA is only mentioned as belonging to X and the Shittenou (notice that in ZX, Reploids and organics ''have been combined anyway'' - play the game again), it doesn't support your claim that something purely mechanical or programmed can still have DNA.
::'''Ancestor'': No, it says that some scientists ''claim'' that based on its abilities. '''You need to get that through your head''', and stop claiming that the Pokedex outright claims these things. You should also learn that your concept of "ancestry" is completely, utterly flawed, with no basis in any kind of genetics, and absolutely ridiculous. I'm sorry to be so harsh, but it's outright folly. That's NOT how an ancestor would be determined.
::'''Pearl''': You are again twisting or inserting things into the Pokedex that are not there in order to fit your views.
::'''Arms''': Hephaestus. Hercules. Pangu. Ymir. Odin. Please, think before spouting - gods are ''very'' prone to lose parts of their bodies.
::'''Halves''': First off, it doesn't. It claims they are two parts of Arceus. There is ''no basis'' in science ''or'' mythology for what you claim - Pangu and Ymir don't suddenly come back just because all the pieces are there. Two halves of an apple don't rejoin to a full apple just because they are there.
::'''Capture''': Pokemon 2000, in which the sea itself sprung forth, Pokemon the Movie, in which the world almost drowned, Pokemon 3, in which UNOWN nearly crystallized the earth, Pokemon 4Ever, in which messing with Celebi caused the forest to become a rampaging monster, Jirachi Wishmaker, in which messing with Jirachi caused the earth to come alive as a rampaging monster, Rise of Darkrai, in which Dialga and Palkia being disturbed nearly rent apart time and space...nearly every movie follows this format. Don't be so dense. Why would the world ''immediately'' come apart, anyway? If you removed the moon, it would still take some time for the seas to destabilize. As for your assertion that gods cannot be captured - you clearly have no knowledge of mythology. Such a thing is rife throughout Norse, Greek, Roman, Chinese, Japanese, Native American, African....nearly every mythology has such a thing happen. Only Abrahamic religions, where the ''sole'' God has absolute power and absolute perfection, has a deity invulnerable to human effort.
::'''New Pokemon''': First off, I didn't say all new Pokemon didn't have DNA, only that some of these included Pokemon who are explicitly said to be purely artificial. Second off, ''you really need to actually look stuff up before claiming things'' - your claims about, well, damn near everything in this discussion have almost no basis in what the game's have actually said. Transform requires the USER's DNA to be changed to cause the USER to resemble the opponent. There is no intake of DNA, and it would be ridiculous to claim that Ditto already has a databank of all DNA (remember, it can turn into Ash - is Ditto Ash's ancestor?)
::...it would be mythology (a story which explains the origin of the world) AND science (an experimentally fact-checked story which explains an empirical truth). Mythology is ''not'' equivalent to "lies and untruths".
::'''Giratina''': ...um, yeah. Which is why I explained that it can't represent something ruled by one of the others.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::As I said in my previous post, I wasn't implying that Ditto is the ANCESTOR (I only brought it into the picture because it's the only pokémon aside from Mew to learn Transform. Did I SAY that Ditto was the ancestor of all pokemon? no, I didn't.).
:::And that's why I differentiated between Mew and Ditto, see, Ditto needed to copy the DNA, yet it is hinted repeatedly even in DP that Mew's DNA contains all of Pokemon (more than just moves, also stats and typings to a certain extent [I.E. Transform]. Heck, it can even utilize Judgement if it wanted to (Not by move tutor's of course, but definitely via Metronome.). That's what makes Mew the ancestor. Besides, there's more to being an ancestor than just being there first. You must ALSO be genetically related. I'm not going into the DP thing since you're obviously missing the idea.
:::Ok, I'l agree with the Norse gods (though to be fair, it wasn't caused by Mortals), but Hercules was a half god, meaning, he can still be mutilated significantly by mortals with visible scarring.
:::Ok, I already covered Pokemon 2000, and the Unown weren't TRUE Legendary Pokemon. Also, The only thing caused by the capture of Celebi was the forest pokemon being POed, that Mecha didn't count since Iron Masked marauder made that mech. All Celebi did was just act as the core. Heck, Ask Blackjack Palazzo if you don't believe me, since she also mentioned that as well. I'll acknowledge Jirachi, though. As for the Rise of Darkrai, Humans weren't even responsible for Dialga and Palkia fighting, they just met when they ended up in a bad mood. Also, Mewtwo tried to do those actions to try and earn the right to exist (though most of that was eliminated from the Dub, sadly.). As for what you stated, if gods CAN be captured by mere mortals, EXPLAIN why Pirithous couldn't even capture Persephone without having his own butt stuck on a bench for all of eternity?! Heck, name one story where Zeus or any of the PURE gods were captured by mere mortals and forced to do their bidding by the Mortals command. Also, just FYI, I just mastered AP Latin, so DON'T say I'm not knowledgeable in Mythology in the Graeco-roman kind at least.
:::And for the last time, I didn't IMPLY nor state that Ditto even HAD a databank of DNA, that attribute belongs to Mew, and Mew alone.
:::Sheesh, sometimes you guys are impossible.[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::::It doesn't matter whether you explicitly say that Ditto is the ancestor - you're reasoning relies on claiming that the ability to use Transform is an indicator of having the DNA, and being the ancestor. Just by looking at Ditto, that's false. Being snarky about it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.
::::Clefairy also has metronome, so Metronome cannot be an indicator of being the ancestor. To be the ancestor of all Pokemon, all Pokemon must be your descendants. Dialga and Palkia are clearly and explicitly descendants of Arceus only, unless Mew is Arceus' ancestor, which would be contradictory to what we are told. Again, you are confusing something the game frequently reiterates is a rumor, with what the game puts forth as exposition.
::::...what the hell do you mean "to be fair"? I never claimed that mortals caused the gods to lose body parts, and its completely irrelevant to discussion. As for Hercules, he became a full god after his original death.
::::....okay, I'm just going to post back your original post on this sub-topic, because you seem to have a bad memory:
:::''"and anyways, the legends also hinted that Legendaries can't be captured by mere mortals, yet most of the crime syndicates, the Pyramid King and even the protagonist has been wielding these pokemon '''as if they were nothing.'''"''
::::Mewtwo, the only Pokemon I can think of that was actually wielded by a "crime syndicate", caused those actions because it was PO'd about ''being used by humans''.
::::As far as I can tell, your implication with that passage was that Legendaries weren't the god-like beings that the legends indicated - ''yet their actions, even in The Rise of Darkrai, explicitly demonstrates that they are''. Whether a human actively screws with them or not, they ''can and will'' rip the world apart if they're in a bad mood. I'm also unaware of the legends implying that it's impossible to capture them - only that it's impossible to safely enslave them.
::::Wow...you pass high school latin, and you deem it logical to choose ''one'' example from ''one'' mythology to claim that ''all'' mortals in ''all'' mythology will never have the upper hand against ''any'' god? I'm definitely out of my league here!
::::Some other examples:
:::::''...Zeus then ordered Hades to chain Sisyphus in Tartarus. Sisyphus slyly asked Thanatos to try the chains to show how they worked. When Thanatos did so, Sisyphus secured them and threatened Hades. This caused an uproar, and no human could die until Ares (who was annoyed that his battles had lost their fun because his opponents would not die) intervened, freeing Thanatos and sending Sisyphus to Tartarus.''
:::::''Tantalus offered up his son, Pelops, as a sacrifice to the gods. He cut Pelops up, boiled him, and served him up as food for the gods. The gods were said to be aware of his plan for their feast, so they didn't touch the offering; only Demeter, distraught by the loss of her daughter, Persephone, "did not realize what it was" and ate part of the boy's shoulder.''
::::Yes, those who mess with the gods get it in the end - but isn't this ''exactly'' what happens to those who mess with the Legendary Pokemon? Even innocent play with pseudo-legendaries like Unown can endanger the world.
::::...I don't know how I can make this more plain:
:::::'''''You claimed that Mew's ability to use Transform meant it had to be the ancestor, and brought up Ditto as a "evidence" for your interpretation of how Transform worked.''''' Now, when confronted with this, you claim that the ability to use Transform does not imply something is the ancestor. '''''Make up your mind'''''.
:::::Actually, to be fair, you don't actually bring up this glaring inconsistency. You just try to avoid the contradiction, and try to "eat your cake and have it too."

To summarize:
#Mythology, as portrayed in the series, is quite reliable.
#Arceus' mythology is neither self-contradictory, nor unique among real-world mythology.
#The claim about Mew having the DNA of all Pokemon is not only contradictory to the explicit facts about artificial Pokemon such as Porygon, but never even claimed as fact, only as a rumor.
#Transform, as described in-game and as demonstrated by Ditto, does ''not'' require a databank of all DNA. It merely requires the ability to change shape, or to replicate another's DNA.
#Metronome, as described in-game and as demonstrated by Clefairy, also does not require a databank of all DNA.
#Claiming that Mew is the ancestor of all Pokemon is inherently contradictory to the stated claims about Arceus, Dialga, Palkia, Mesprit, Axelf, Uxie, and Heatran.
#Even before considering the contradictions in the total mythology, '''''The idea that having a copy of all of a group's DNA implies you are their ancestor is inherently ridiculous and contradictory. It is the opposite of how genetics and inheritance actually works, even on the most basic level. It can be immediately refuted by a thought-examination of a child and his two, un-related parents.'''''

[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 08:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Umm... Hello. May I be permitted to submit my own wild abstractions?(*looks around*) Thank you. Well, what if Arceus began by creating the Universe and then created Mew as a template for all Pokémon who then flew off and was disregarded whilst Arceus was busy creating the 'gods' of Time and Space... Or something...[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 21:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
::That would work. Mew could conceivably be the progenitor or ancestor of ''most'' Pokemon, but not all.
::Also, I'm sorry, it turns out Axl's Copy Shot ''does'' use DNA Cores, so I apologize for being wrong about that bit.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Thank you! I am good at filling in inconsistencies in canon like that...[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 18:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Do we call this the creation paradox? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:38 3 Sep 2008'''''
:::::I'm not sure what you're referring to, as the only creation paradox I know of would require Mew to have travelled through time and created Arceus, which is in contradiction to what we've been given ("The Original One breathed alone"), as well as not based in any ability of Mew's that we know of. Could you explain what you mean?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::That would be a Temporal Paradox. The actual Paradox here is that since Mew is supposed to be the ancestor of ALL Pokémon, and Arceus is a Pokémon, the original, then one must contradict the other - which is the meaning of the word paradox. More or less...[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 19:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
[un-indent] Look, I just feel the need to point this out. Do ''we'' have ''God's'' DNA? I don't see what's so contradictory about Arceus making Mew which all Pokémon (with the exception of, one assumes, Arceus's five avatars) may have eventually [Darwinian] evolved from. (...I just completely described intelligent design, didn't I?)--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and anyways, if we were to go by the definition of "Retcon", the statement of Mew believed to be the ancestor of all pokemon wouldn't even exist in D/P (Heck, they could have gotten to mention one of Mew's OLD Dex entries.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 20:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

check the DP Pokédex entry it says that scientists ''belive'' it is not known but believed in, no proof so wait for official information or this will end in a pardox.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 16:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

:It is a paradox. But not a very vicious one.[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 17:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, and besides, if we were to mention that we should eliminate the Mew dex thing as proof that it may not be retconned just because scientists believed that it was the ancestor of all pokemon, then by that same token, we should eliminate Arceus's Dex entry as proof that it is retconned since it says that it's believed to be the creator of the universe in MYTHOLOGY, in other words, it's believed to be the creator of the universe by a LIE! [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 19:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

:Exumptly. [[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 22:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a losing battle to try to make sense of world when it's creators care less about it than you do. [[User:Kajillion|Kajillion]] 02:11, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Here is how I belive it is done It just like the Greek Mythology

Mew created Arceus
Then Arceus created the Universe
Then he created Time and Space (D and P)
it just like how Chaos created Gaia and Gaia created Ornoas and they had the Titans

Its the same thing here all over

Remember in the 2000 Movei the Titan of Fire Ice and Lighting

And I Belive they have called some other Pokemom Titans before also

It all the same thing its Pokemon version of Greek Mythology
::::After reading this section I do believe that what was stated on the Mew talk page was correct and about porygon having only data don't you think if mew had part data too and porygon's data came from that bit of data--[[Mew (Pokémon)|M]][[User:MyUU|yU]][[User talk:MyUU|U]] 01:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
::: I think I figured it out. Ok, so Mew created an egg, which hatched into Arceus; which created the whole world,the Dragon trio, and The Lake Trio; then fell into a deep sleep, leaving Mew to create everything else. Doesn't the myth State that Arceus Created the two sinnoh trios and the whole world, ONLY. it doesn't state that it Created everything else, or that nothing created the egg it hatched from, Does it? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£iΨ@chµ]] 22:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, Dialga and Palkia and Giratina and Arceus are considered by many as only legends, so the Pokédex programmers didn't know about its existence until the player captured it. But people have seen Mew, and proved its existence beforehand.[[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, looky here. This argument is getting too long. Let me just summarise and give a difinitive solution; Sure, many scientists have developed the theory that Mew is the ancestor of all Pokemon because it contains all of their DNA. However, this is proven wrong with the origin of Arceus.
Arceus was born before the universe (or very early on, at least) and shaped the universe and created the dragon and lake trio. He then went to sleep for eons at the Hall of Origin. On Earth (in the Pokémon world) the other legendaries came about by their own means and whatever, such as the legendary beasts being created by Ho-Oh.
Mew came about of its own accord. It holds the genes of all Pokemon. That does ''not'' make it the ancestor of all Pokemon. If anything, it would make sense to say that it came about ''last'' since it contains all other Pokémon's genes. In no way should Mew's story crossover with Arceus's. Mew is simply a very powerful Pokemon whose initial theorised origin is wrong.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC)Bttsstewart

== STAB ==

The movesets seem to automatically assume Arceus is of the Fighting Type. I am unfamiliar with how this is coded, and so don't know how to fix it - is there anyone who can fix it?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:Don't you mean Dragon-type? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::Everything on the page assumes that Arceus is a randomly-generated type. It's a bit of code TTE added.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Arceus is a {{type2|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|0=???|1=Normal|2=Fighting|3=Flying|4=Poison|5=Ground|6=Rock|7=Bug|8=Ghost|9=Steel|10=Fire|11=Water|12=Grass|13=Electric|14=Psychic|15=Ice|16=Dragon|17=Dark}}}}... everyone knows that.
:::Yeah. My random code that changes depending on the time that the page is last loaded to cache. Takes the Unix time (seconds since 1/1/1970) and then does a modulo division by 18, assigning one of the eighteen forms of Arceus to each remainder. Unown does a similar thing, but you only notice it in the evoboxes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:Um, Hello? Arceus is a normal-type. It's only dragon-type when it's holding the Draco Plate, ect.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Edit: Bah! I hate that time-code-thing. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

== Empty ==

There is no content in the "In the anime", "In the manga" and "In the TCG". So why not somebody delete it?
[[User:FireHazard|FireHazard]] 03:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:So when it comes out we can put it there.All pages fit a designated template[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]

== Moves ==
why is the movelist not where its supposed to be????
or is it just my computer????[[User:Dion24|Dion24]] 11:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

:It looks fine to me. What problem are you seeing? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

::The level up nd TM learnsets appear at the top of the page over all the writing [[User:Dion24|Dion24]] 07:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

that happened to me, and I realized that happened because I browsed all of the arceus formes or most of them.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
:Everything on the page goes wired after you press show sprites and the movelist and everything else goes weird, and this goes for all pages. It might only be my computer, but it should be changed to suit all. --[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 00:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
::I don't understand... What browser are you using? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sprite and Evolution Sections ==

I think it's kind of wierd to have the rock sprite in the evolution section when it starts out in normal forme without any items on it. Also I think that in the sprite section it should have every sprite for Arceus's forms. This is just a suggestion. Also on a minor edit why is the rock type the default for this page --[[User:23-03-33|Tom]] 12:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
:If I remember it right, it depends on the second you go to the page. tc26 12:27, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
::Exact second the page was last purged from cache. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:59, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

== Japanese name ==

How can there be a romanization if the Pokémon hasn't been revealed? Where did this romanization come from? And don't try to tell me it's just what the kana says, because it hardly ever is. And you can't even write "rs" in kana. Which means this comes from somewhere. So ''where''? [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

*Not directly, but the u in ル isn't always vocalized (ス　often does this as well, and occasionally シ　and a few others also do). It's impossible to write in kana, but it's not impossible use in roumaji, because roumaji is intended to be written the way it's pronounced (this is also why the official romanization methods collapse (o)(-), (o)(o), and (o)(u) into ō). Strictly speaking the kana are (A)(ru)(se)(u)(su), but it's pronounced 'Arseus.'[[User:Sailorleo|Sailorleo]] 03:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

::That's not the point - it's still not official. I only added the Japanese phonology bit in so no-one would argue about that.
::...so, basically, that was a major fail. From now on, ignore anything I said about whether the name is pronounceable, and can someone just answer my original question: how there can be an official romanization for an unrevealed Pokémon? [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::There's not exactly. But it's the best we've got until we get one from Game Freak. So don't go altering it to the "a-roo-see-uu-suu" thing like we've had a problem with on ''other Pokémon'' long ''after'' their romanizations were revealed, like Kurabo. Crab. KRABBY MAN KRABBY. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::::I did say to forget about the phonology stuff. *headbang* I never said change it to Aruseusu. If anything, the English one makes more sense, because a) it actually comes from Game Freak, and b) they're pronounced the same. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 18:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

== {{p|Darkrai}} ==

[http://www.serebii.net/platinum/legends.shtml] read the darkria section. [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 22:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

:Your point being? No offense meant, but I don't see what you're saying. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|Rawr I say!]] 22:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::Pure speculation on Serebii's part. Not worth including in this article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 23:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah! I mean, we don't even know if that was Arceus speaking. For all we know, that could just as easily have been Darkrai telling the player about his past. Heck, it could also have just as easily been Cresselia, for all we know. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== Evolution ==

Can someone put the Platinum Sprite in the evolution section?--Pokelova 20:39, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:The way we coded the page, we'd need to get sprites of ''all'' the forms first.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

==How?==

if Platinum didn't program event Pokémon in it how do we have the Platinum sprite?
that is,unless someone traded it to Pt--[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 18:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hacked for the sprite? [[User:Phocks]] [[User:Phocks|phocks]] 19:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

==No different Pokédex formes==

howcome the Pokédex doesn't show the different type formes as different formes?[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 18:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:Just doesn't, I guess. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

==Alpha, not Omega==

Should we note that Arceus is the Alpha Pokemon, and not the Omega Pokemon? This seems to imply that there is still another Pokemon that is stronger than Arceus. [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]

:Well, its classification as the "Alpha" Pokémon only applies to the English games, as it was classified as the "Creator" Pokémon in the Japanese games. (Right?) Plus, doesn't the English classification simply act as a way to show that it was the first Pokémon, and not as a measure of its strength? [[User:Xous|Xous]] 15:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

:If it is the Alpha pokemon.Then what is the Omega Pokemon.[[User:ArceusEX]]
::Magikarp? No, wait - it can Bounce. XD [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 21:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

:::The Omega Pokémon simply doesn't exist yet. Again, the title of "Alpha" was simply used by the English versions because they chose not to dub it the "Creator Pokémon", despite the fact that was its Japanese classification. If there ever is an "Omega" Pokémon, it'll be in a future generation. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 20:23, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

thanks
:Anyone here know the greek alphabet? Arceus was the first pokémon. Alpha is the first letter in the greek alphabet. See the connection? If there were to be a pokémon classified as Omega, the last letter in the greek alphabet, it would have to be the last pokémon in the last generation. Which I doubt we'll ever reach.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::[[wp:God|This guy]] was referred to as "the alpha and the omega," and there were quite a few people who came after him. Like, say, us. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 21:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I know the greek alphabet~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 21:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
''That Guy'' is the Alpha AND the Omega because he is going to outlast us all![[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 19:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:PLEASE let's not bring religion into this. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 05:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

== Evolution ==

Under the Evolution heading, it always shows Arceus in its Water Forme and no other formes. Why? [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 18:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:Looks like it's being internally cached. Just add <code>&action=purge</code> to the end of the article's URL and it should change types. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 19:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::Also, I'm pretty sure that they aren't "Formes". At least, not yet. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:36, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I think that TTEchidna should remove the "random type" code. It's a little annoying. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 20:10, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Kogoro, when I add <code>&action=purge</code> to the end of the URL, this happens: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Arceus_(Pokémon)&action=purge
::::It's <code>?action=purge</code>--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaz]][[User talk:Blazevoir|evoir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]] 20:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

==fire?==
why is arceus being refferred to as a fire type? i mean like it only automatically shows the type effectiveness for the flame plate, its boxes are orange which are for fire types, judgement is stated as a fire type, and its evolution table only has the fire type sprite. [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 01:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

ok well now its changed to fighting why is arceus' page changing reflecting on its type? [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 01:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:Because its designed to change into each of its 17 forms at random each visit to the page. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

oh ok thank you! [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 01:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:You're very welcome. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Ghost-favoring? ==

There are several Ghost-favoring things I found on the page that I want to know why they are there.
a) The Pkdx entry has a ghost-coloured heading background and border.
b) Location, same as A
c) The 'With Spooky Plate Equipped' section cannot be retracted
d) Learnset sections are I) Using Ghost-Type borders, II) Using Ghost-Type rather than Normal-type STAB, III) Using Judgement as Ghost-type rather than Normal-Type, to make STAB (but makes sense)
e) Using a Ghost-type sprite rather than a normal-type for the Evolution section
I want to know who's favouring ghost-types, '''NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!''' - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] ([[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Giratina's Embodiment|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* This has already been covered multiple times, including the section right above this one. It changes whenever you refresh the page. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::The type in the infobox is normal. Should we leave it like that, or change it to reflect the type on the rest of the page? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 21:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::No, to save from misconception~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 21:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Misconception and the ability for this page to be in 17 categories at once. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Tag ==

what is the tag for the random sprite generator because i wanted to add that to some of my pages for school to impress my friends. i hope this isnt too much to ask for. --[[User:23-03-33|Tom]] 19:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Tag? It's wikicoding based off of the time in seconds since January 1, 1970 at midnight, UTC. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:09, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I thought it was some type of javascript or css script that was used. it is a simple misunderstanding. [[User:23-03-33|Tom]] 03:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Nope, just wiki. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== You know... I just had an idea. ==

What if you had ??? Arceus, and it was confused and hurt itself. Since confusion causes you to deal a ???-type 40-power move to yourself, would Arceus then therefore get STAB on this? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:Isn't the ???-type super effective on everything? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 08:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
::The ???-type needs to be thoroughly researched. Anyone want to take the responsibility? [[User:Tesh|TESH]][[User_talk:Tesh|IGIGAS]] 21:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:::???-type does normal damage to any type, including its own. And of STAB, well, it DOES get stab. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
If a ???-type Arceus is burned while fighting another ???-type, which gets the STAB? Is it the same as being confused? In other words: which Pokémon does the damage for burn come from? [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 17:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Burn does always inflict 1/8 of the max HP of the sufferer, so the burn does not get STAB. It's like if Dragon rage was ???-type, it will always inflict 40HP damage anyways. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== The Horse God? ==

Anyone other than me noticed Arceus is very similar to a horse? Especially it's Platinum sprite, where it appears to be rearing up. I'm even working on a fandom book series ''The Pokemon Befriender,'' and as I am waiting to send this to Nintendo, I decided to put Arceus in there, decepting it as a horse. If you want to get some idea on the series, email me. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 17:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:Thats advertising. In addition, when i see Arceus, i think of Pan, god of Nature.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I think: Arceus = Legendary mule [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 17:42, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, Arceus is pretty much a horse. Just watch it in PBR. No question. However, I don't think the fact that it's based off of a horse is important to its role as a Creator Pokémon. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 05:30, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I just thought it interesting that Nintendo would put a fancy horse as a god. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 18:09, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Spritebox ==

Hey TTE, can you use your magic and make it so the Spritebox shows the correctly typed sprites as described on the page? Last time I went on the archives to check, I tink there was pretty well all the normal and backsprites (just not all shiny).--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 04:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:The shiny's the issue... I'll do what I can... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::Kay, now we need Pt and back sprites for all Arceus forms. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== Possible name origin ==

I was reading a thing on Hades and something caught my eye. "One of the three judges of Hades was named Aeceus..." Could this be the origin of Arceus? [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 05:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:Possibly, seeing as the creator do all this research. [[User:ShinyPikachu|ShinyPika <3 ALS]] 19:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
::Whatever you were reading made a spelling error: it's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeacus Aeacus]. Judging from the linked article, it has nothing to do with creation myths, so this is unlikely to be the origin of Arceus. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 20:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 1

2008-12-17T20:57:03Z

ArceusEX:

<big><big><big>'''HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT. THE PAGE HAS CODING ON IT SO THAT THE TYPE WILL CHANGE RANDOMLY (or not so much, really just according to the time). DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A {{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|3=???|1=Normal|2=Fighting|3=Flying|4=Poison|5=Ground|6=Rock|7=Bug|8=Ghost|9=Steel|10=Fire|11=Water|12=Grass|13=Electric|14=Psychic|15=Ice|16=Dragon|17=Dark}}}}- TYPE! It just IS!'''</big></big></big> (Also keep in mind that it doesn't matter which type it is; you guys are smart, you can tell what moves are STAB for which plate... I hope...)
----

Um, {{u|TTEchidna}}, you put down that Arseus can become an ???-type Pokémon by holding a ??? Plate. Where'd you get that from?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Man u have got to be kidding me Arceus catch rate should not be 3. I used my Action replay to get the item 4 arceus then i went and caought it on my 5th dusk ball. My friend caought it on him 1st ultra ball. Another friend i gave the item 2 caught it on his 2nd qiuck ball- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Arguntom|Arguntom]] ([[User talk:Arguntom|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arguntom|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Man, you have to be kidding me, you can't even spell the word "you" right. Arceus's catch rate is 3. If you'll notice, those balls multiply the catch rate formula by quite a bit, which greatly increases the chance to be caught. Plus, it's all on luck, I've had Magikarp break out of balls before. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I added an alternative origin to Arceus's name that I found on: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=286767.[[User:Draconium|Draconium]] 23:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

==Is there a point...==
Is there a point of having a table for each of the plates when it is attached to Arceus?
We could just have Arceus without a plate, and then have each title with an image and a sentence saying what type Arceus changes to.
For Example:

==Type effectiveness==
===No plate equipped===
{{DP type effectiveness|
type1=normal|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 0 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}
[[Image:Spr 4d 493-Fire.png|thumb|right|Sprite for {{type2|Fire}} Arceus]]
===With Flame Plate===
When the Flame Plate is attached to Arceus, it becomes a Fire type.

etc... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 23:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

==Picture==
I have this picture:

[[Image:Arceus.PNG]]

I did not draw it. I want to use it on the page. It is much better than trying to stare at a tiny sprite. --[[User:Stinkoman|Stinkoman]] 15:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

:Better than a sprite for sure, but it'd be nice if we could find one without such bad compression artifacts. [[User:Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur|Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]] 22:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think we should really be using an unofficial image for the page. What would be nice is if somebody could get a nice, high-quality (as in NOT a photo of the monitor) screenshot of ARceus from PBR.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:::You mean hack an Arceus and copy it into PBR?
[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[Gallade (Pokémon)|448]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 11:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

== Sprites? ==

Should we include separate sprite templates for all of the forms, or just do it for one? I know that Unown and Castform, among others, would serve the same problem. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

== Art?! ==

I'd like to know the source of Arceus' picture. Mainly because it hasn't been revealed yet. TinaTheKirlia 02:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:It's a piece of fanart. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 02:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::That's what I thought, although there was an edit that said "Official Art" or something and it was rather confusing. TinaTheKirlia 16:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I think we should replace that art with a sprite. It seems inaccurate... Mariocaper 19:19, 20 September 2007

Yeah, and we could enlarge the size of the sprite so it won't be that tiny anymore, right? [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani475.gif '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 06:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:Enlarged sprites look terrible. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 06:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::Couldn't we get a PBR screenshot? And I mean a screenshot, not someone pointing their camera at a television? (We need that for Rosy and Sashay, too...)--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:13, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::I can't, my FRAPS only works on full screen games like Maple Story...I think we could take the Arceus photo, enlarge it and sharpen it a little, then put it back on bulba. The only problem with this is that the sprite would be oversize...
:::I hope that you have permission to use that piece of fan art. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 21:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::I've got five PBR shots. They're all in my [[User:Optimus35/Sandbox|sandbox]]. Click on the links under 'Arceus'. Tell me which one looks best on my talk page and I'll upload it onto Bulbagarden Archives...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 09:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Change the pic!
[[User:Crystallucario|Crystallucario]] 14:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
:The reason why we're not changing it is because it's nicely done fanart, and it's more easier to look at this instead of a sprite.
:Otherwise it'd be absolute hell for me to draw Arceus. Still is, but certainly more easier than looking at a sprite. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
hmmm maybe ok whatever...
[[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario 12:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
::...except, do we have permission to use the image? The image page doesn't seem to claim it at all, so I'm going to go ahead and guess that we're doing something illegal or at least unethical here. Seriously, why can't we just use a PBR shot?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Since when was pokemon ever ethical? Think about it, the aim of the game is to run away from home at 10 years old (good parenting skills mom) and after having abuse a poor little starly to the brink of death by slashing it over and over again with false swipe you throw something at it, only adding to the poor creature's pain and torture only to trap it inside a small, cramped chamber for the rest of its unnatural life whilst using it to abuse other pokemon. But anyways I digress, the point is the piece of fanart looks nice, is accurate and fits in perfectly with all the official pokemon artwork. Hell when I first visited the page I thought it WAS a piece of official artwork. A PBR snapshot would not be at all as effective as the fanart. So no, we ain't havin a PBR shot. [[User:Wikid|Wikid]] 16:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

::::No one is questioning the ethics of the series, just in using someone else's work without their consent. Besides, the face is drawn wrong. There should be more lines running across it. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::The artwork in question is drawn by Seyanni of Deviant Art. If no one has contacted him yet for permission, I could see if I can get a PM through, though I'm not sure if this would be the correct thing to do in this case. The fan art is, as mentioned above, not completely accurate, as Arceus has one more line running across its face, and the "wheel" on its body is also conflicting with what is shown not only on the sprite, but what is shown in PBR (a more pointed frame, with gems in the crosses, not green circles). If there's no permission (currently not proven) and because it's innaccurate, isn't the right thing to put the sprite up until the official art is revealed? However, if the quality of the sprite is the concern (many seem to be worried about the overall look of the page), perhaps I could offer you the rights to use my art on this page? It's 100% PBR and sprite accurate, and the quality is clear and it looks professional. I'm not trying to start another image battle here, but I do believe that if the overall look of the page is the concern, coupled with the accuracy of the fan art, then my work would fill the role. If you're willing to look into it, I'm Xous54 on deviant art, and the work I'm willing to allow use of is http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Official-Pose-of-Arceus-100490528 . I can resize the piece and remove the signatures if this wiki finds the piece acceptable for the replacement.[[User:Xous|Xous]] 19:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== Metronome ==

My Mew used Judgement through Metronome. Should I include something like this under "Trivia":

Although Nintendo is attempting to keep Arceus secret, it is possible for Arceus's signature move, {{m|Judgment}}, to be used through {{m|Metronome}}, thus potentially revealing the existence of Arceus to otherwise unaware fans.

--[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani480MS.gif]] 20:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

i could draw arceus if that would help. i like drawing pokémon. {{u|talonclawz}} new comer!!!!!!!!!! [[Image:Ani444MS.gif‎]]

== Shishigami? ==

Should any mention of the Forest Spirit Shishigami from Miyazaki Hayao's Mononoke-Hime be mentioned in the article? Arceus seems to have a resemblance to Shishigami. In addition, on the illegal hacked Pokémon Diamond (Telefang Power), Shishigami appears on the front, despite not having anything to do with the game (that's the way those criminals work), and then in the real Pokémon Diamond, Arceus was added. Does anyone else think that some trivia should be added about this? ~Kumori Satosuke
:Outside of the whole quadrupedal thing, I don't think there's anything else that's official to suggest a connection. For example, Arceus seems to be nothing outside of a creator, while shishigami is given dominion over life and death.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, I agree. There really isn't anything linking the two other than a vague (And I do mean VAGUE.) resemblance. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 14:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== ??? type sprite may prevent crash ==
Just a theory, but the programmers at Game Freak may have drawn and programmmed a ??? type Arceus to prevent game crashes. Anyone with a code patcher can figure out how to change a Pokémon's type. They might have figured that someone would tamper with Arceus's type, and if they changed it to a ??? type, and there was no sprite for it, the game would crash because it would try loading data that does not exist. That's my theory anyway. [[User:Fsilone|Fsilone]] 02:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:That's really logical. figure that by yourself? But I still don't know if we should put that in the article.[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 02:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

::im a little iffy on the grammer, but other than that i think its a fantastic theory and should be in the trivia section. excellent. now all i need to do is figure out how to do it myself in my game with the Action Replay... [[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TALK]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]] 02:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:::You can't - you need to edit the rom data - action replay only edits temporary and save data. Think so anyway. '''[[:User:Origamiguy|折り紙ガイ]] - [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|離す]][[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|貢献]]''' 15:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I think I don't see anything grammatically wrong. I copied the words above and reworded it into sentences.[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 02:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:yea, im probibly wrong, im not joking when i say i failed english class......twice...with a 54..... [[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TALK]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]] 03:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

what the heck is shishigami? is it a pokémon?(someone out there?) -{{u|talonclawz}} new comer!!!!! [[Image:212MS.gif]] 1:06, 5 April 2008

No. Wait a minute if you don't know that Errr...how new are you to Pokémon?[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']] 17:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

A shishigami is a Japanese god of death. [[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 14:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== {{type2|???}} Sprite ==

[[Image:Question-Type Arceus Before.jpg|thumb|left|Before]][[Image:Question-Type Arceus After.jpg|thumb|right|After]]How long has the sprite of ???-type Arceus been pulling that vanishing act? Basically, the only time you can see the sprite is when the white background on PNG-format images is still visible, as seen in the Before shot. Once the white backgrounds vanish, the rest of the sprite should still be there. However, on ???-type Arceus, the sprite vanishes along with the background, as seen in the After shot. Is there a way to fix this?

(The shots in question come from an area of my own user page, specifically a [[Template:User Favorite Move|favorite move tag]] programmed for a ???-type move and {{m|Curse}} with the Arceus sprite in question for a laugh. The [[Template:User 2000|2000-edits in a month tag]] above it is also shown for comparison.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 05:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:Wow. That's weird that it just disappears! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 11:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I think I figured out the vanishing act. It's due to the filename. Many operating systems don't allow question marks in filenames, and it's probably due to those that caused the image to vanish. I went and uploaded an image to [[a:Image:Spr 4d 493-Unknown.png|Image:Spr 4d 493-Unknown.png]] on the archives, and that image works as it should! Every instance of the vanishing image has been changed to the one that doesn't vanish, so you won't be seeing vanishing ???-type Arceus again anytime soon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Pic ==

Okay, I remember {{u|Urutapu}} saying something about a screenshot of Arceus from PBR. Well, I got a Wii ''and'' PBR for Christmas. And I have *cough*cheated*cough* four Arceuses. All I need now is a good-quality emulator that can screenshot my Wii with. Any suggestions?
--{{u|Stinkoman}}

Somehow theres a way of putting a SCART socket into your PC and running it through that. My mate's computer can do that but i think it had the socket when he bought it. [[Image:Ani258MS.gif]][[User:Origamiguy|OrigamiGuy]] Lieks [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Mudkipz]][[Image:Ani258MS.gif]]

== Officially been revealed ==
Until this Pokemon has been officially revealed (by Nintendo or Coro Coro magazine) this page should be removed, because the only reason why there is proof of its existence is through a hacking or cheating device.
:WHAT! This page should be included on here. If it is in the Game, weather or not if it has been reaveled, it IS STILL IN THE GAME WITHOUT HAVING TO BE MADE{{Ani|493}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']]{{Ani|491}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|''' Is''']]{{Ani|426}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']]{{Ani|473}}
::Yea, this page is about a Pokémon. In case you don't know (hopefully you do), this is a Pokémon encyclopedia. This page is like mandatory. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 02:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Exactly. We have pages for all Pokémon ''officially programmed into the games''. Would you come here before Deoxys was revealed and say "NUH UH THERE'S ONLY 201 IN HOENN DEOXYS IS A HAKKER ONLY POKEMAN." Arceus is official, they're just holding off on the official revelation. Besides... plenty of Pokémon from each generation were never revealed through CoroCoro or by Nintendo individually. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 07:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I may only be 10, but take it from me. Arceus is real. It is on pokemon.com's pokedex.[[User:DaPikanator56|DaPikanator56]] 18:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC){{u|DaPikanator56}}
:Well, actually, it's not on the PokéDex on [[Pokemon.com]], but yes, it is real. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 13:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
::An example of what TTE said would be the Porygons. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]02:32 30 Mar 2008'''

Oh yeah! It and ummm... {{p|Shaymin}} I think aren't Theryguy.[[User:DaPikanator56|DaPikanator56]] 18:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC){{u|DaPikanator56}}
:Shaymin has been acknowledged by official Japanese sources. And to address the original point, we are not Wikipedia. Everyone knows that Arceus is real, so this page is a necessity. Hell, we have articles for a lot of glitch Pokémon so a real one definately passes. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

True...Oh, and by the way, in the summer I will shorten my visits here, but this place rules! It ain't demented like Chuckie Cheese's.
:) ^-^[[User:DaPikanator56|DaPikanator56]] 22:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)DaPikanator56

Arceus is already in the game (I actually have it (with the help of an Action Replay of course)), so this page doesn't need to go anywhere. Little do people know, Arceus is probably watching the whole time the player is beating up Team Galactic and catching Dialga/Palkia, seeing as the platform Arceus is on is floating over the Spear Pillar. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 18:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

==Picture==

I found this picture interesting, but low quality. [http://www.pokebeach.com/news/0507/arceus.jpg its on www.pokebeach.com] --[[User:Britannia's Blade|Britannia's Blade]] 21:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:Good find, but it's already linked from the article [[Arceus (Pokémon)#External links|right here]]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 23:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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I also just found this one [http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/arceus.png ****] Fan art of course but very serious looking, Lots more like it [http://www.arkeis.com/legendaries.htm here] what do you think? --[[User:Britannia's Blade|Britannia's Blade]] 18:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:I don't see how fanart is very notable to put up here.. >_> [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::The one we have right now will do us until Arcy is revealed next year. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::What about this one? - [http://www.pokebeach.com/news/0507/arceus2.jpg (1)] '''[[:User:Origamiguy|折り紙ガイ]] - [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|離す]][[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|貢献]]''' 15:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
::::-Gasp- Why not that one! Ooo, take it! TAKE IT!!! '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Optimatum</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:53 2 May 2008'''''
TTE, Arceus isn't going 2 be revealed 4 two years yet. [[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 14:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

==Arceus and Giratina==
Aren't Arceus and Giratina sort of opposites of each other because Arceus is God and Giratina is the devil sort of, I mean Arceus didn't create Giratina so that means they were the two entities before time started. [[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 17:46 15 May 2008
:Maybe you're right, but i think that Giratina is part of the Dragon Trio. [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giratina is the BOSS! It saved the two other Pokamon! Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''01:04 17 May 2008'''''
:Hold on, there's no reason to get angry. Why can't we just WAIT until Arceus is officially revealed? Isn't that BETTER than argueing? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

In my eyes it would be

Dialga + Palkia = Rivals (Time VS Space)

Giratina + Arceus = Rivals (God VS Darkness?)

So yeah, regardless of the fact Giratina is part of the Dragon Trio.
(''Thinking about it, those four are exactly the same as my characters |: Lily = Controls Time. Darkness = Controls Space. Akito = Controls Death. Rose = Controls Life/Is a sort-of God. But anyway, my characters are irrelevant too this xD'') [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 14:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:So, Arceus is God/JesusHoly Spirit, and Giratina is Satan? O.O It's Da '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:03 26 May 2008'''''
::Arceus is Arceus. Giratina is Giratina. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Meh, that's the Atheist way of seeing it. Hey, wait, am I about to be stone for being anti-atheist? Damn. It's Da '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:13 26 May 2008'''''
::::I didn't say Giratina was Satan, i simply said he was...darkness. [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 02:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
My question is, how do you KNOW Giratina is bad, or if Arceus is even good? How do you KNOW Giratina wasn't created by Arceus? You don't. Besides, Neither ot them are from Christianity, and U know what? I'm a devout Christian and I don't care if Arceus wasn't based off of my God. [[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 14:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Does anybody want to see it this way, "WE SHOULD ALL JUST WAIT"? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 22:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think Giratina is evil. You don't have too be evil/whatever to control darkness/whatever Giratina controls. I do not think Giratina is evil! [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 22:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Is this text INVISIBLE? WE SHOULD ALL JUST WAIT! [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 00:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Thank you, good people of bulbapedia, for waiting. [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 00:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Giratina isn't bad, or evil, or a demon, or any of that bull****. They make Darkrai seem like he's evil in The Rise of Darkrai, but he wasn't. Just because Giratina lives in a graveyard doesn't mean he's evil. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 18:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm thinking that Giratina will be added to "The Original Story." Remember how, in Ruby an Sapphire, the only ones mentioned in the old man's story were Groudon and Kyogre, with Rayquaza a non-storyline okemon, but then, in Emerald, it became a vital part of the game? Same with Giratina. -[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 02:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
WAIT! [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
: I AM waiting. It's merely a theory, and could be entirely wrong. I'm just trying to soothe the tensions here.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::Ok, it's been a few months since I last looked up here and I now think that it is wise to wait, but it is also important to FRIENDLY share ideas, instead of course doing something like this,"No, your wrong! BLAH! BLAH-BLAH!" ,also you are right to try to soothe tensions. [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
THANK YOU. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 04:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

== More sprites ==

Ok, so we have all the type sprites for Arceus and it's shiny sprite, but we don't have shiny forms for Arceus' other types. Could someone please tell me if it's possible to get those sprites and if so get them for us? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 12:08, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:If i could, i would, but i can't, so i can't help you. I'm not even 100% sure Arceus's other-type sprites HAVE shiny versions of them :| [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 14:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
::They do. And a simple method is to color the sprites the right color. The white portion of the body is the only part which remains constant throughout the non-shiny forms. and when it becomes shiny, the rings are the same color as those of the non-shiny ones. The only thing that differs between non-shiny and shiny is the white portion, which turns yellow. It's Da '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:01 26 May 2008'''''
:So... could you do that for us as a favor? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 22:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::I might have those sprites on my computer somewhere. Want me to upload them? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 20:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:Why don't you recolor them...it will be easy.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 00:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
::I dont no how... [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 00:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm...I would do it, but I'm very busy right now, you could go ask hcfx2 for help, he's great at recoloration.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 00:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:Nevermind, i found them on "a:Catagory:Arceus". But thanks :) [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 01:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== Metronome and Judgement ==

If a player knows nothing about Arceus, how would they know that Judgement is its signature attack? Even if it is used by a Pokémon using Metronome. So could Metronome really spoil the surprise? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 02:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not really. ^^; Metronome can do ANYTHING. Even Explosion so...'''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''02:54 4 Jun 2008'''''
::Well, if they were like "Ooh, what learns that?!" and can't find anyone, they'll suspect it to be some crazy legendary not yet shown. And have lived under a rock since EVERYONE KNOWS OF ARCEUS. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Hmm, then Singapore must be under a rock. Only two people I know know what's Arceus, that includes me. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''03:12 4 Jun 2008'''''
::::Or this is nintendo's way of teasing us. kinda like,
Player:"What pokémon learns this?"
Nintendo:"Wait and see"
Player:"You suck."[[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 12:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I only ask because of this quote in the trivia:

"''Although Nintendo is attempting to keep Arceus secret, it is possible for Arceus's signature move, Judgment, to be used through Metronome, thus potentially revealing the existence of Arceus to otherwise unaware fans.''"

Plus, Nintendo ''has'' to know that the majority of their fanbase uses the internet. Every Pokémon website except the "official" ones have info on Arceus. A lot of them even before the games were released globally. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:The majority of the fanbase are kids who don't necessarily visit fansites. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::No ([[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 16:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC))
:::Yes. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::No ([[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 16:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

:::::I would have to disagree with that statement. I believe that most fans may have been kids at the beginning when Pokémon first came out, but now have grown as the series has. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

A similar thing happened to me when I was playing PBR. I ordered my Togepi to use Metronome and out came Judgment. I wondered what Pokémon used this move until I checked this site and I found Arceus. I didn't even know about its existence AT ALL when Metronome was used that one year ago... {{ani|385}}[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 18:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus's pattern in the anime? ==

I didn't get a second look (mainly because I deleted the episode from my DVR), but I heard in the episode "Journey to the Unknown!" that Saturn was holding a cube with Arceus's pattern on it... [[User:ShinyRayquaza|ShinyRayquaza]] 19:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus + Sky Plate? ==

If you attach a Sky Plate to Arceus, wouldn't that make it become the first pure Flying-type Pokémon? [[User:Wynautluvr|Wynautluvr]] 16:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

:It is the first "permanent" pure Flying-type. The Porygon line can become Flying-types with their Conversion moves, and Kecleon can with its Color Change Ability. These Pokémon, however, revert back to Normal when the battle is over. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

::It's not permanent, in that you can change the plate and it loses the pure-flying status... '''[[:User:Origamiguy|Lord]] of [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|Ori]][[Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|gami]]''' 15:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:::It's permanent in that it doesn't go away just because the battle ends. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
::::No its not. Its only a permanent flying type if its natural type (i.e. no plate) is flying. You might as well say its also the first permamnent ??? type since it can become that (potentially) too.[[User:Wikid|Wikid]] 16:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::If you never remove the plate, then it's permanent. Plus, you can't obtain a ???-type Arceus in-game in any normal fashion. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::: Says you. firstly, the word permanent implies that the typing can never be changed. If you unequip the plate Arceus goes back to normal therefore it's not permanent. At best I would say its semi-permament. Secondly, there might a ??? plate given out at an event or found somewhere in platinum like Glacidia's flower. ??? forme arceus might be the result when you enter the torn world with arceus. It might even be what Arceus looks like when it is a shadow pokemon as there might be a new game coming out to do with shadow pokemon and DPP might be the first generation where you can trade shadow pokemon over. Therefore if you can trade it as shadow poke between DP and platinum then there is a way to get an ??? forme Arceus in a normal fashion.[[User:Wikid|Wikid]] 17:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Fine. "Semi-permanent". ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== The ??? Plate ==

The ??? Plate exists, It is named mysterious plate by CodeJunkies, It may also be encountered in the underground as a Malfunction, people got this (like my brother) and attached it to ARCEUS, making the ??? type, no weaknesses are found on this type--[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] 00:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
:Believe me, people code-spelunk like there's no tomorrow...there isn't such thing.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

can M.vit at least tell how did his brother encounter such a plate, and how does it function with other Pokémon?and what happens to a Pokémon who knows the move [[curse]]

can somebody edit this article . It says that Arceus creted the Pokémon Universe,''Dragon trio'' and lake trio. Till now the dragon trio isn't officially confirmed. so whether I or somebody else should change the Dragon trio to the time-space duo: Dialga and Palkia.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

well, seems that nobody is out of topic, BTW, i have seem to find this code in Code Junkies here it is
Mysterious Plate x999
94000130 fcff0000
b21c4d28 00000000
b0000004 00000000
00000890 03e70133
d2000000 00000000--[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] 16:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:The plates all have different names on CodeJunkies which are the translated Japenese names. I believe the Mysterious Plate is actually the Mind Plate. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
::Your right, it is the mind plate. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 16:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

There. Is. No. ???. Plate. The only move outside of the gamecube games that is ??? type doesn't do direct damage- so it doesn't need a plate. I for one agree with an above topic- the sprite is used to prevent a crash.Any self-respecting hacker can change Arceus's type into ???.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

==type change==

Keckleons ability color change changes its type according to the move done by the opponent so if ???-type arceus used judjement, will it change its type? can anyone experiment?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:The fact that you can't get a ??? plate makes it difficult to say. I have no idea what would happen...♪♪[[User:ShinyPachirisu|Shiny]] [[User Talk:ShinyPachirisu|Pachirisu]] :) ♪♪ 13:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

::???-type moves have been hacked and have no effect. So Kecleon would probably be unaffected. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 13:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, they do have an effect... they just deal minimal damage. Lemme see what it does in Gen III later on... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== [[Pal Park]] ==

Will it really freeze the game when you put Arceus infront of the party and bla bla bla to the Pal Park?
[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 03:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
:Why would it do that? [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard any such rumor. What exactly is supposed to happen? [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 16:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Now... ==

Isn't what I did so freaking cool? I mean, look at it. And the best thing is that it is totally dependent on the ''exact second'' that you save/access the page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
:A fine template, indeed. Would it be useful to use something like this to generate random examples in paragraphs?
:P.S.: What you did (a calculation based on a clock) is even a good idea for a new ability or move in the game that picks a random type. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 07:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
::Now if we only had the backsprites for the various forms...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Two clock-based calculations would make it even more random. Watch this. {{#expr: ({{#time: U}} div {{#time: s}}) mod 9002}} {{#ifexpr: (({{#time: U}} div {{#time: s}}) mod 9002) > 9000|<big>'''← IT'S OVER 9000!!!'''</big>}}
:::As for random examples... hmm... Well, what are you thinking?
:::And I wish for the backsprites, too... And the minisprite, does it change with Arceus? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

==Arceus in My Pokémon Ranch==
For a fact,someone in the German forum BisaBoard got Arceus as one of the daily Pokémon!This person was -like me- totally dumbfounded and opened that thread to know more about this phenomena.
I've asked some expert in the same message board if this would be really possible.To my surprise,he said that he checked the programme code and Arceus is really included!I think this MUST be put into the Trivia section.[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie legend]]

:How does one check the program code of a Wii Ware title? And of course Arceus would be there, it can be deposited just like any other Pokémon. Plus, I ''doubt'' that Hayley will trade you an Arceus... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

::Might be wrong, but I believe there is a set list of Pokémon Hayley will only trade off, which was found and released in dr_nza's FAQ found [http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/file/943658/53074 here]. The Pokémon Hayley brings are random, so I guess Arceus is a possibility, but Hayley won't be able to trade it off. - [[User:Legotim|█╬▓◘ ’M █╚▓█ (ţś_łєğǿŧΐм)]] [[User talk:Legotim|spreche]] 05:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

==Hmmm....==
Should we add that Arceus is the most hacked Pokemon? Every hacker I know owns a Arceus ''and'' all its plates. [[User:Strong Intelligent|Strong Intelligent]]
:No. tc26 14:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
::I own all the plates too. I got them underground. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

:::I spent so much time underground that I have more than one of each plate. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 03:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

In any case, the most hacked pokemon is probably Mew...[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

== Church? ==

{{u|Sui}} keeps adding an external link to "The Church of Arceus." I'm wondering whether or not this is notable enough, or if it's just an advertisement for an obscure fansite. I don't know anything, so you guys be the judges. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 21:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== Ūber? ==

If [[Arceus]] isn't offically reveiled, how can it be called Ūber? Can't spell.

☆ShinyPiKa 19:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)☆
:Well, some people hack into their games and can get Arceus that way. So they know that way. ...I really dunno [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 19:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

::His stats put him in the league of the strongest Pokemon of all, so he's safe to call that. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 19:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

::: Although that is true, it isn't revealed yet so it can't be under that catagory '''yet'''. It's been annoying me, please remove it. ShinyPiKa 19:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:::It's being used, and people are able to--gasp, shocker--read its stats! And, since its stats (and movepool, for that matter) are pretty decent, it can be classified as "uber," despite it being revealed or not. --'''[[User:Gabbie|gabbie]]''' | '''[[User_talk:Gabbie|talk]]''' 21:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:::: But people still use Arceus on Wi-Fi. Darkrai and Shaymin were in and are still in the UBER tier so why should Arceus be any different?--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaz]][[User talk:Blazevoir|evoir]] 20:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

::::: Because it hasn't been revealed yet !!! :D ShinyPiKa 22:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::You cant use Arceyus in the battle tower. [[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 09:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::: Please remove [[Arceus]] from the Ūber secion 4 now, when its reveaaled u can add it back.ShinyPiKa 15:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: Why? Every other website considers it ÜBER. Why should Bulba be any different?--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaz]][[User talk:Blazevoir|evoir]] 15:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Because people think Nintendo will kill us for actually taking note of their stuff before they officially reveal them. Unlike Platinum's existence before May 15, though, it can be proven that Arceus exists. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

The wording differs, but here's the basic definition of an Ūber Legendary: Any Pokémon that is banned by the Battle Tower. This, if you check invludes all definite Ūbers and no definite non-Ūbers. Arceus is banned; therefore, I say he is an Ūber. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 16:38, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus vs. Mew ==

This is all that Mew's Pokédex entries say:

*Because it can use all kinds of moves, many scientists believe Mew to be the ancestor of Pokémon.
*Mew is said to possess the genetic composition of all Pokémon.
*Because it can learn any move, some people began research to see if it is the ancestor of all Pokémon.

First off, this kind of stuff didn't appear until Silver. Second off, it is ''very'' couched in uncertainty, and it is ''never'' said that its actually been shown to possess every type of DNA - ''only that its ability to perform any move has generated that rumor''.

Second off, several Pokémon are completely artificial, such as {{p|Grimer}}/{{p|Muk}}, {{p|Castform}}, or {{p|Porygon}}/{{p|Porygon2}}/{{p|Porygon-Z}}. So, how could Mew be considered their "ancestor", or have their DNA, if its supposed to be the "first Pokemon"? Wouldn't having the DNA of Pokemon who appeared completely separate from any genetic lineage instead imply Mew was their descendant?

Porygon is even said to be "A Pokémon that consists entirely of programming code." So, no DNA at all, and its upgrades are said to simply have had AI installed.

Even allowing for the monstrously egregious interpretations of genetics in the series, the idea that having all the DNA of a group makes you its ancestor is hogwash - its entirely the other way around.

Now, lets look at Arceus, and its info.
*It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed.
*It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms.
* "Two beings of time and space set free from the Original One."
* "Three beings were born to bind time and space."
* "Two make matter and three make spirit, shaping the world."
* "The Original One breathed alone before the universe came."

Now, this is ''much'' more explicit than the Mew bit '''ever''' was. It makes it absolutely clear that Arceus came ''before even the universe itself, much less other Pokémon'', and that it in fact created the world and life itself. Once could claim that this is uncertain do to its status as "mythology", but that would be hilariously in denial of how the series has used mythology so far - as an origin story, not as something by definition uncertain or false.

How is there even a dispute about this? If it's a retcon at all, it's a fairly small one - it was clear from the beginning that the bit about Mew being the origin had a contradictory explanation.

Now, what could work is that Mew is supposed to be god-like like Arceus and other Legendaries - in this case, it would logically be some scion of life, which would in fact explain its design. If the bit about Mew containing all other DNA turned out to be "true", in the context of the franchise, then this would also make much more sense than the pseudo-scientific jargon used in Silver - Mew contains the DNA because it is the ultimate personification of life/birth, and the scientists are trying to force a contradictory explanation for the oddity in order to deny its true, supernatural origin.

So can we please stop claiming things like the D/P Pokedex "still stating that it's the ancestor of all pokémon", or that "it's no different than people believing Arceus is the creator"? [[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:Creationism vs science? In my Pokémon? It's more likely than you think! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

::ummm... "Uncertain", If I recall correctly, it can learn "Transform", which, unless I'm mistaken, involves the recombination of it's own DNA to match said pokemon that transforms. And, since Ditto's Pokédex entry hints that how it transforms involves it recombining it's DNA to match the pokémon it's trying to match, the same can easily be said for Mew. So, really, considering how it knows transform, and it can transform into a lot of pokémon, even legendaries that were supposedly created before it, it still has merit in regards to having the DNA of all pokémon, and thus being the ancestor of all pokémon.

::As for the Porygon/2/z example, considering the mere fact that Mew can transform into these three pokémon DESPITE apparantly not having their DNA, I think that those Pokémon have a miniscule amount of Mew's DNA (otherwise, how can Ditto [Or mew, for that matter] transform into them?].). Besides, just because they are composed entirely of AI (whether it's the free will kind or not doesn't matter) doesn't mean it can't have DNA. Take the Mega Man series (specifically, the Mega Man X subseries through the Mega Man ZX series.), the Reploids were mentioned to be complete Machines (all derived from X's design), and yet the games also mentions that they have DNA (Reploid "DNA" was used to form the Nightmare Virus, and also revive Necromances III, Harumachine, Blizzard Staggoff, and Copy X. Plus, Axl's ability involves him mimicking his enemies (and in the case of Command Mission and [Technically] ZX advent, even bosses.).

::And anyways, Mew can also transform into Grimer, Muk, and Castform, which, if Mew didn't have their DNA, then how can Mew OR Ditto even transform into them?

::Also, about it's pokedex entries, both of them contradict themselves. I mean, one says that it was born before the universe existed, and yet, the other hints that it was born a little while AFTER the Universe was created, and that all IT did was merely "shape" the universe. Plus, it doesn't even HAVE 1,000 arms in its sprite, and not only that, but It also apparantly can't even learn any attacks involving arms, such as all of the punch variants.

::as for the origin book, that ALSO doesn't mention Giratina (yet, anyways, for all we know, Platinum could add it in.), and plus, that same thing hinted that Dialga and Palkia are two halves of Arceus, but then, why cant they merge together (I mean, Dragon Quest, and Mephiles the Dark could do it without much trouble from programming data, so why cant D/P)?

::and anyways, the legends also hinted that Legendaries can't be captured by mere mortals, yet most of the crime syndicates, the Pyramid King and even the protagonist has been wielding these pokemon as if they were nothing.

::That's my ruling as to how the thing isn't retconned (well, that, as well as the fact that, if it was, then wouldn't they have removed the entry from the Pokédex?) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:49, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

lets remember that game physics are different from animé physics. Dialga, Palkia and giratina symbolise physics of the Pokémon world: time, space and dimensions,so if Arceus is the master of them that wouldn't make sense:creationism and science don't go together. Mew can transform its appearance, but not the nature or unique functions of a Pokémon, and if we follow good sense we can also say that it can't copy Pokémon which evolved in a special way because their not ''original'' like trading its bioligical fusion of item and Pokémon DNA.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

:I'm pretty sure that it can copy even those that evolved in a "special" way in even the Anime. Remember, Weavile evolves from Sneasel via the Sharp Claw item, which also fits under the special way, and despite that, Mew STILL transformed into that pokemon in the Lucario Movie. If it can evolve through something like that, I'm pretty certain that it is even ancestral to those pokemon who evolve via special means. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Wait, '''''what?''''' You're saying that ''because it can do something that '''Ditto''' can do'', it must be the ancestor of all Pokemon? Wouldn't this also require Ditto to be the ancestor of all Pokemon?
:::'''Porygon''': Then you are making up things contradictory to the established in-game facts in order to force in your own fan-theory. Almost every Pokedex entry for the Porygon line reiterates that they have NOTHING but programming code.
:::'''MegaMan X''': It is never, ''ever'' stated that the robots are "completely mechanical" - that they have souls, DNA, and can merge with living things pretty much makes that theory impossible. DNA is a very specific thing - it's ''not'' a general concept about information derivation, it's a ''specific organic acid''.
:::'''Axl''': His ability has NOTHING to do with DNA, and is never claimed to. It's essentially analogous to what Transformers do.
:::'''Muk''': I didn't say that Mew didn't necessarily possess the DNA of all creatures, though that's not the only way to copy them. I said that claiming this meant it was the ancestor was so completely ignorant of evolution and genetics that it deserves ridicule.
:::However, Ditto is able to copy them because it is an amoeba, and can change the shape of its body at will. To be fair, it is ''once'' said to be able to copy the opponent's genetic code - which would only work AFTER seeing the opponent. As that is EXACTLY how Transform is described anyway, that theory is blown out of the water.
:::'''Arceus' Pokedex''': This is a bald-faced lie. The pokedex entries in no way claim that Arceus came to be after the Universe existed - at best, they claim he came before it, created it, and shaped it.
:::'''Arms''': Have you considered the fact that it could have lost them, or given them up? It is the only Arceus in existence, by the very necessity of its being, so its not going to be something like "They're all born without the arms". It "set free" all those legendaries from itself - maybe it made them from its arms, like so '''very''' many Creation Myths, ''especially the linked Pangu one''.
:::You could also consider that "1000" is often used in Japanese writing to mean "many", instead of a specific number, and as the trios of matter and spirit are considered extensions of Arceus, they could be its "appendages" in a spiritual sense. Seriously, that part of its Pokedex isn't contradictory ''at all''.
:::'''Merge''': What does this have to do with ''anything''? Why would Dragon Quest have any bearing on this?
:::'''Legends''': In the games? No, the legends don't claim that, so the fact that certain legendaries fight with trainers is not contradictory, regardless of your false assertion that it's "like nothing". In the anime, where the legends imply that messing with them is incredibly dangerous to the natural order...well, I'll just let you watch the movies, or something, and try to claim that it's "like nothing".
:::'''Remove''': Why would it be removed? It never claimed anything that was '''false''' - again, '''''it only claims that fictional scientists have a tenuous, uncertain belief based on one of its abilities'''''. The deliberate uncertainty of the Pokedex entries, in contrast to nearly every other Pokedex entry, even for Legendaries, has to be considered. If it's not simply a monstrous misunderstanding of genetics on the game designer's part, then it's almost certainly meant to be a reference to "Supernatural vs. Naturalist science".
::::''"If it can evolve through something like that, I'm pretty certain that it is even ancestral to those pokemon who evolve via special means."''
:::Again, this is inherently contradictory. If these are supposed to be new Pokemon, who only came into existence through a modern item, how could Mew possibly be said to already contain their DNA just because it can ''copy their form''? Remember, Porygon is said to be completely artificial, not an accident like Muk or Grimer.
::::''"lets remember that game physics are different from animé physics. Dialga, Palkia and giratina symbolise physics of the Pokémon world: time, space and dimensions,so if Arceus is the master of them that wouldn't make sense:creationism and science don't go together."'''
:::If Arceus is their master, then that would be in-game science. Science is the pursuit of ''truth'', not the pursuit of purely-materialistic explanations whether it's the truth or not.
:::Also, Giratina would symbolize the afterlife, or some other term for "The Other", not dimensions - "space", in the concept referred to by the triad, would necessarily contain dimensions already, parallel or measurable.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm not SAYING that Ditto necessarily IS the ancestor, I only brought it into the picture since it's the only OTHER pokemon to know Transform. And besides which, the Pokédex entry for Ditto explicitly stated that it can transform by rearranging it's Genetic Structure (in other words, it's DNA) to that of it's target. It ALSO replicates their move set and, unless I'm mistaken, even their stats and natures.
::::actually, the Pokedex contradicted ITSELF in that case. I mean, if it doesn't have ANY DNA, then Ditto (not to mention Mew) couldn't transform into it OR it's family, and we all know that it can. Try and get a ditto, and try to face off against Porygon or it's family members in your games, and use transform against it if you don't believe me.
::::Ahem... when I said "Mega Man X" I mean from the Mega Man X saga ALL THE WAY to Mega Man ZX saga. In Mega Man Zero 4: ''Intro: The Reploids... They were robots designed to look like humans... these '''technical marvels''' were given unique personalities and were intended to be the perfect workers and the perfect partners of mankind...'' Later, Dr. Weil says something that would hint at Reploid being COMPLETELY mechanical. This is when Zero encounters him at the Ragnarōk core: Dr. Weil: ''Justice!? Freedom!? Worthless ideals! '''You Reploids are Just Machines, but you started a war a long time ago in the name of freedom!''' And Humans! Look what they did to me! Driving Me away while spurting the word "Justice!"'' And don't assume that he knows nothing about Reploid Physiology since he worked on reviving Reploids prior to his banishment from Neo Arcadia, and besides which, the reason why he was banished was because he created Dark Elf and augmented Zero's original body to become the horrific Omega, as well as instigated the Elf Wars. That shows that he knows quite a LOT about Reploids.
::::as for Axl, it was indeed DNA. in fact, Model A, whose personality (as well as his abilities and the form that Grey/Ashe take on when Megamerging with Model A) is clearly Based off of Axl, and would have easily been labeled as a reincarnation of Axl if Master Albert didn't say that it was actually "Model Albert". Heck, after beating Buckfire in the game, he explicitly mentions that he absorbed Buckfire's DNA, which would allow Grey/ashe to transform and utilize his abilities at will.
::::It also mentioned that Mew possessed the DNA of all Pokémon, though (and anyways, just saying that it "possesses the Genetic code for "pokémon" pretty much implies ALL Pokemon.). And that's what I was saying about Transform the whole time. I mean, Ancestors have to have the DNA of ALL Pokémon to actually be labeled as an Ancestor of all pokémon.
::::As for the Arceus entry, the way Pearl's Pokedex entry was worded made it seem as though it Shaped the universe as soon as it was born. And anyways, the Origin Myth implied that Arceus was the creator of the universe, whileas Pearl's Dex entry stated that it merely shaped it.
::::How can a god lose arms? I mean, Did Ares become one-armed? No, he didn't, and he has fought several wars where something like Decapitation or losing some part of limbs can be considered inevitable, esp. during his time.
::::Lets see, because the Origin thing mentioned that Dialga and Palkia are two halves of Arceus, and, if they were truly two halves of the same being, then having them both in your party would gain you a new arceus. but it doesn't.
::::Let's see, because only the Crime syndicates, the Hero/ine, and in one case, a BF leader, was able to capture legendaries. Also, in the Anime, the only time that the legendaries actually CAUSED a natural imbalance was in "Pokemon 2000", which even THEN, it was hinted that it was actually caused by territorial disputes rather than because it was captured in and of itself. most of the other movies and anime related things that featured legendaries didn't have the legendaries causing all Hades to break loose right when they were captured. Besides, as common in many mythos, A god simply cannot be captured by Mortals.
::::Because, if they didn't HAVE DNA, then Mew and Ditto CAN'T transform, since the move Transform requires the Genetic Code of a pokémon. Besides, that was directed at the guy who said that those who evolve via trades and items can't be related to Mew.
::::No, it's in game Mythology. The Origin story is nothing more than one big myth.
::::And yet it's constantly implied that Giratina is listed among Dialga and Palkia.
::::Anyways, that's all for now. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::'''Ditto''': Your logic was that, because it can use Transform, it must be the ancestor. Either this implies that Ditto is also the ancestor (a contradiction), or you need to not make such claims. Its inherently self-contradictory.
::While Ditto's profile ''does'' sometimes say that it '''copies''' (not already possesses) the opponent's genetic code, it also says that it is "Capable of reorganizing its cells to transform into an exact duplicate of its enemy. It is usually a shapeless blob.", and that it can transform to resemble a rock. It is explicitly clear from the Pokedex entries, the description of Transform, and how Ditto is presented in the series, that it is merely ''reshaping it's '''own''' genetic code to '''resemble''' something else''. Because, as we all know, ROCK's DON'T HAVE DNA.
::The description of Transform, and how Ditto uses it, does ''not'' require that the opponent has DNA, only that Ditto does. ''Please keep this in mind''.
::The definition of "machine" does not require that something be purely inorganic in nature, and neither of the quotes you provided really even claims anything near that. Weil's quote, in that case, is emotional, and almost certainly pointing out his view that Reploid's are inferior and by nature servants of humans. This is the view used by ''all'' the villains in the Zero series, and is actually a ''huge'' part of the conflict. Play the games again.
::'''Axl''': No, it's not DNA. It's never said to be DNA. It's said to be a special ability of his, to transform his body. Model A, while designed to be a callback to Axl, is NOT Axl. However, I grant you that the Shittenou are said to have been derived from X's DNA. As Reploids are ''never'' said to be completely mechanical, and DNA is only mentioned as belonging to X and the Shittenou (notice that in ZX, Reploids and organics ''have been combined anyway'' - play the game again), it doesn't support your claim that something purely mechanical or programmed can still have DNA.
::'''Ancestor'': No, it says that some scientists ''claim'' that based on its abilities. '''You need to get that through your head''', and stop claiming that the Pokedex outright claims these things. You should also learn that your concept of "ancestry" is completely, utterly flawed, with no basis in any kind of genetics, and absolutely ridiculous. I'm sorry to be so harsh, but it's outright folly. That's NOT how an ancestor would be determined.
::'''Pearl''': You are again twisting or inserting things into the Pokedex that are not there in order to fit your views.
::'''Arms''': Hephaestus. Hercules. Pangu. Ymir. Odin. Please, think before spouting - gods are ''very'' prone to lose parts of their bodies.
::'''Halves''': First off, it doesn't. It claims they are two parts of Arceus. There is ''no basis'' in science ''or'' mythology for what you claim - Pangu and Ymir don't suddenly come back just because all the pieces are there. Two halves of an apple don't rejoin to a full apple just because they are there.
::'''Capture''': Pokemon 2000, in which the sea itself sprung forth, Pokemon the Movie, in which the world almost drowned, Pokemon 3, in which UNOWN nearly crystallized the earth, Pokemon 4Ever, in which messing with Celebi caused the forest to become a rampaging monster, Jirachi Wishmaker, in which messing with Jirachi caused the earth to come alive as a rampaging monster, Rise of Darkrai, in which Dialga and Palkia being disturbed nearly rent apart time and space...nearly every movie follows this format. Don't be so dense. Why would the world ''immediately'' come apart, anyway? If you removed the moon, it would still take some time for the seas to destabilize. As for your assertion that gods cannot be captured - you clearly have no knowledge of mythology. Such a thing is rife throughout Norse, Greek, Roman, Chinese, Japanese, Native American, African....nearly every mythology has such a thing happen. Only Abrahamic religions, where the ''sole'' God has absolute power and absolute perfection, has a deity invulnerable to human effort.
::'''New Pokemon''': First off, I didn't say all new Pokemon didn't have DNA, only that some of these included Pokemon who are explicitly said to be purely artificial. Second off, ''you really need to actually look stuff up before claiming things'' - your claims about, well, damn near everything in this discussion have almost no basis in what the game's have actually said. Transform requires the USER's DNA to be changed to cause the USER to resemble the opponent. There is no intake of DNA, and it would be ridiculous to claim that Ditto already has a databank of all DNA (remember, it can turn into Ash - is Ditto Ash's ancestor?)
::...it would be mythology (a story which explains the origin of the world) AND science (an experimentally fact-checked story which explains an empirical truth). Mythology is ''not'' equivalent to "lies and untruths".
::'''Giratina''': ...um, yeah. Which is why I explained that it can't represent something ruled by one of the others.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::As I said in my previous post, I wasn't implying that Ditto is the ANCESTOR (I only brought it into the picture because it's the only pokémon aside from Mew to learn Transform. Did I SAY that Ditto was the ancestor of all pokemon? no, I didn't.).
:::And that's why I differentiated between Mew and Ditto, see, Ditto needed to copy the DNA, yet it is hinted repeatedly even in DP that Mew's DNA contains all of Pokemon (more than just moves, also stats and typings to a certain extent [I.E. Transform]. Heck, it can even utilize Judgement if it wanted to (Not by move tutor's of course, but definitely via Metronome.). That's what makes Mew the ancestor. Besides, there's more to being an ancestor than just being there first. You must ALSO be genetically related. I'm not going into the DP thing since you're obviously missing the idea.
:::Ok, I'l agree with the Norse gods (though to be fair, it wasn't caused by Mortals), but Hercules was a half god, meaning, he can still be mutilated significantly by mortals with visible scarring.
:::Ok, I already covered Pokemon 2000, and the Unown weren't TRUE Legendary Pokemon. Also, The only thing caused by the capture of Celebi was the forest pokemon being POed, that Mecha didn't count since Iron Masked marauder made that mech. All Celebi did was just act as the core. Heck, Ask Blackjack Palazzo if you don't believe me, since she also mentioned that as well. I'll acknowledge Jirachi, though. As for the Rise of Darkrai, Humans weren't even responsible for Dialga and Palkia fighting, they just met when they ended up in a bad mood. Also, Mewtwo tried to do those actions to try and earn the right to exist (though most of that was eliminated from the Dub, sadly.). As for what you stated, if gods CAN be captured by mere mortals, EXPLAIN why Pirithous couldn't even capture Persephone without having his own butt stuck on a bench for all of eternity?! Heck, name one story where Zeus or any of the PURE gods were captured by mere mortals and forced to do their bidding by the Mortals command. Also, just FYI, I just mastered AP Latin, so DON'T say I'm not knowledgeable in Mythology in the Graeco-roman kind at least.
:::And for the last time, I didn't IMPLY nor state that Ditto even HAD a databank of DNA, that attribute belongs to Mew, and Mew alone.
:::Sheesh, sometimes you guys are impossible.[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::::It doesn't matter whether you explicitly say that Ditto is the ancestor - you're reasoning relies on claiming that the ability to use Transform is an indicator of having the DNA, and being the ancestor. Just by looking at Ditto, that's false. Being snarky about it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.
::::Clefairy also has metronome, so Metronome cannot be an indicator of being the ancestor. To be the ancestor of all Pokemon, all Pokemon must be your descendants. Dialga and Palkia are clearly and explicitly descendants of Arceus only, unless Mew is Arceus' ancestor, which would be contradictory to what we are told. Again, you are confusing something the game frequently reiterates is a rumor, with what the game puts forth as exposition.
::::...what the hell do you mean "to be fair"? I never claimed that mortals caused the gods to lose body parts, and its completely irrelevant to discussion. As for Hercules, he became a full god after his original death.
::::....okay, I'm just going to post back your original post on this sub-topic, because you seem to have a bad memory:
:::''"and anyways, the legends also hinted that Legendaries can't be captured by mere mortals, yet most of the crime syndicates, the Pyramid King and even the protagonist has been wielding these pokemon '''as if they were nothing.'''"''
::::Mewtwo, the only Pokemon I can think of that was actually wielded by a "crime syndicate", caused those actions because it was PO'd about ''being used by humans''.
::::As far as I can tell, your implication with that passage was that Legendaries weren't the god-like beings that the legends indicated - ''yet their actions, even in The Rise of Darkrai, explicitly demonstrates that they are''. Whether a human actively screws with them or not, they ''can and will'' rip the world apart if they're in a bad mood. I'm also unaware of the legends implying that it's impossible to capture them - only that it's impossible to safely enslave them.
::::Wow...you pass high school latin, and you deem it logical to choose ''one'' example from ''one'' mythology to claim that ''all'' mortals in ''all'' mythology will never have the upper hand against ''any'' god? I'm definitely out of my league here!
::::Some other examples:
:::::''...Zeus then ordered Hades to chain Sisyphus in Tartarus. Sisyphus slyly asked Thanatos to try the chains to show how they worked. When Thanatos did so, Sisyphus secured them and threatened Hades. This caused an uproar, and no human could die until Ares (who was annoyed that his battles had lost their fun because his opponents would not die) intervened, freeing Thanatos and sending Sisyphus to Tartarus.''
:::::''Tantalus offered up his son, Pelops, as a sacrifice to the gods. He cut Pelops up, boiled him, and served him up as food for the gods. The gods were said to be aware of his plan for their feast, so they didn't touch the offering; only Demeter, distraught by the loss of her daughter, Persephone, "did not realize what it was" and ate part of the boy's shoulder.''
::::Yes, those who mess with the gods get it in the end - but isn't this ''exactly'' what happens to those who mess with the Legendary Pokemon? Even innocent play with pseudo-legendaries like Unown can endanger the world.
::::...I don't know how I can make this more plain:
:::::'''''You claimed that Mew's ability to use Transform meant it had to be the ancestor, and brought up Ditto as a "evidence" for your interpretation of how Transform worked.''''' Now, when confronted with this, you claim that the ability to use Transform does not imply something is the ancestor. '''''Make up your mind'''''.
:::::Actually, to be fair, you don't actually bring up this glaring inconsistency. You just try to avoid the contradiction, and try to "eat your cake and have it too."

To summarize:
#Mythology, as portrayed in the series, is quite reliable.
#Arceus' mythology is neither self-contradictory, nor unique among real-world mythology.
#The claim about Mew having the DNA of all Pokemon is not only contradictory to the explicit facts about artificial Pokemon such as Porygon, but never even claimed as fact, only as a rumor.
#Transform, as described in-game and as demonstrated by Ditto, does ''not'' require a databank of all DNA. It merely requires the ability to change shape, or to replicate another's DNA.
#Metronome, as described in-game and as demonstrated by Clefairy, also does not require a databank of all DNA.
#Claiming that Mew is the ancestor of all Pokemon is inherently contradictory to the stated claims about Arceus, Dialga, Palkia, Mesprit, Axelf, Uxie, and Heatran.
#Even before considering the contradictions in the total mythology, '''''The idea that having a copy of all of a group's DNA implies you are their ancestor is inherently ridiculous and contradictory. It is the opposite of how genetics and inheritance actually works, even on the most basic level. It can be immediately refuted by a thought-examination of a child and his two, un-related parents.'''''

[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 08:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Umm... Hello. May I be permitted to submit my own wild abstractions?(*looks around*) Thank you. Well, what if Arceus began by creating the Universe and then created Mew as a template for all Pokémon who then flew off and was disregarded whilst Arceus was busy creating the 'gods' of Time and Space... Or something...[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 21:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
::That would work. Mew could conceivably be the progenitor or ancestor of ''most'' Pokemon, but not all.
::Also, I'm sorry, it turns out Axl's Copy Shot ''does'' use DNA Cores, so I apologize for being wrong about that bit.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Thank you! I am good at filling in inconsistencies in canon like that...[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 18:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Do we call this the creation paradox? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:38 3 Sep 2008'''''
:::::I'm not sure what you're referring to, as the only creation paradox I know of would require Mew to have travelled through time and created Arceus, which is in contradiction to what we've been given ("The Original One breathed alone"), as well as not based in any ability of Mew's that we know of. Could you explain what you mean?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::That would be a Temporal Paradox. The actual Paradox here is that since Mew is supposed to be the ancestor of ALL Pokémon, and Arceus is a Pokémon, the original, then one must contradict the other - which is the meaning of the word paradox. More or less...[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 19:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
[un-indent] Look, I just feel the need to point this out. Do ''we'' have ''God's'' DNA? I don't see what's so contradictory about Arceus making Mew which all Pokémon (with the exception of, one assumes, Arceus's five avatars) may have eventually [Darwinian] evolved from. (...I just completely described intelligent design, didn't I?)--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and anyways, if we were to go by the definition of "Retcon", the statement of Mew believed to be the ancestor of all pokemon wouldn't even exist in D/P (Heck, they could have gotten to mention one of Mew's OLD Dex entries.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 20:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

check the DP Pokédex entry it says that scientists ''belive'' it is not known but believed in, no proof so wait for official information or this will end in a pardox.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 16:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

:It is a paradox. But not a very vicious one.[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 17:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, and besides, if we were to mention that we should eliminate the Mew dex thing as proof that it may not be retconned just because scientists believed that it was the ancestor of all pokemon, then by that same token, we should eliminate Arceus's Dex entry as proof that it is retconned since it says that it's believed to be the creator of the universe in MYTHOLOGY, in other words, it's believed to be the creator of the universe by a LIE! [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 19:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

:Exumptly. [[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 22:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a losing battle to try to make sense of world when it's creators care less about it than you do. [[User:Kajillion|Kajillion]] 02:11, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Here is how I belive it is done It just like the Greek Mythology

Mew created Arceus
Then Arceus created the Universe
Then he created Time and Space (D and P)
it just like how Chaos created Gaia and Gaia created Ornoas and they had the Titans

Its the same thing here all over

Remember in the 2000 Movei the Titan of Fire Ice and Lighting

And I Belive they have called some other Pokemom Titans before also

It all the same thing its Pokemon version of Greek Mythology
::::After reading this section I do believe that what was stated on the Mew talk page was correct and about porygon having only data don't you think if mew had part data too and porygon's data came from that bit of data--[[Mew (Pokémon)|M]][[User:MyUU|yU]][[User talk:MyUU|U]] 01:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
::: I think I figured it out. Ok, so Mew created an egg, which hatched into Arceus; which created the whole world,the Dragon trio, and The Lake Trio; then fell into a deep sleep, leaving Mew to create everything else. Doesn't the myth State that Arceus Created the two sinnoh trios and the whole world, ONLY. it doesn't state that it Created everything else, or that nothing created the egg it hatched from, Does it? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£iΨ@chµ]] 22:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, Dialga and Palkia and Giratina and Arceus are considered by many as only legends, so the Pokédex programmers didn't know about its existence until the player captured it. But people have seen Mew, and proved its existence beforehand.[[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, looky here. This argument is getting too long. Let me just summarise and give a difinitive solution; Sure, many scientists have developed the theory that Mew is the ancestor of all Pokemon because it contains all of their DNA. However, this is proven wrong with the origin of Arceus.
Arceus was born before the universe (or very early on, at least) and shaped the universe and created the dragon and lake trio. He then went to sleep for eons at the Hall of Origin. On Earth (in the Pokémon world) the other legendaries came about by their own means and whatever, such as the legendary beasts being created by Ho-Oh.
Mew came about of its own accord. It holds the genes of all Pokemon. That does ''not'' make it the ancestor of all Pokemon. If anything, it would make sense to say that it came about ''last'' since it contains all other Pokémon's genes. In no way should Mew's story crossover with Arceus's. Mew is simply a very powerful Pokemon whose initial theorised origin is wrong.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC)Bttsstewart

== STAB ==

The movesets seem to automatically assume Arceus is of the Fighting Type. I am unfamiliar with how this is coded, and so don't know how to fix it - is there anyone who can fix it?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:Don't you mean Dragon-type? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::Everything on the page assumes that Arceus is a randomly-generated type. It's a bit of code TTE added.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Arceus is a {{type2|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|0=???|1=Normal|2=Fighting|3=Flying|4=Poison|5=Ground|6=Rock|7=Bug|8=Ghost|9=Steel|10=Fire|11=Water|12=Grass|13=Electric|14=Psychic|15=Ice|16=Dragon|17=Dark}}}}... everyone knows that.
:::Yeah. My random code that changes depending on the time that the page is last loaded to cache. Takes the Unix time (seconds since 1/1/1970) and then does a modulo division by 18, assigning one of the eighteen forms of Arceus to each remainder. Unown does a similar thing, but you only notice it in the evoboxes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:Um, Hello? Arceus is a normal-type. It's only dragon-type when it's holding the Draco Plate, ect.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Edit: Bah! I hate that time-code-thing. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

== Empty ==

There is no content in the "In the anime", "In the manga" and "In the TCG". So why not somebody delete it?
[[User:FireHazard|FireHazard]] 03:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:So when it comes out we can put it there.All pages fit a designated template[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]

== Moves ==
why is the movelist not where its supposed to be????
or is it just my computer????[[User:Dion24|Dion24]] 11:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

:It looks fine to me. What problem are you seeing? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

::The level up nd TM learnsets appear at the top of the page over all the writing [[User:Dion24|Dion24]] 07:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

that happened to me, and I realized that happened because I browsed all of the arceus formes or most of them.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
:Everything on the page goes wired after you press show sprites and the movelist and everything else goes weird, and this goes for all pages. It might only be my computer, but it should be changed to suit all. --[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 00:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
::I don't understand... What browser are you using? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sprite and Evolution Sections ==

I think it's kind of wierd to have the rock sprite in the evolution section when it starts out in normal forme without any items on it. Also I think that in the sprite section it should have every sprite for Arceus's forms. This is just a suggestion. Also on a minor edit why is the rock type the default for this page --[[User:23-03-33|Tom]] 12:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
:If I remember it right, it depends on the second you go to the page. tc26 12:27, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
::Exact second the page was last purged from cache. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:59, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

== Japanese name ==

How can there be a romanization if the Pokémon hasn't been revealed? Where did this romanization come from? And don't try to tell me it's just what the kana says, because it hardly ever is. And you can't even write "rs" in kana. Which means this comes from somewhere. So ''where''? [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

*Not directly, but the u in ル isn't always vocalized (ス　often does this as well, and occasionally シ　and a few others also do). It's impossible to write in kana, but it's not impossible use in roumaji, because roumaji is intended to be written the way it's pronounced (this is also why the official romanization methods collapse (o)(-), (o)(o), and (o)(u) into ō). Strictly speaking the kana are (A)(ru)(se)(u)(su), but it's pronounced 'Arseus.'[[User:Sailorleo|Sailorleo]] 03:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

::That's not the point - it's still not official. I only added the Japanese phonology bit in so no-one would argue about that.
::...so, basically, that was a major fail. From now on, ignore anything I said about whether the name is pronounceable, and can someone just answer my original question: how there can be an official romanization for an unrevealed Pokémon? [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::There's not exactly. But it's the best we've got until we get one from Game Freak. So don't go altering it to the "a-roo-see-uu-suu" thing like we've had a problem with on ''other Pokémon'' long ''after'' their romanizations were revealed, like Kurabo. Crab. KRABBY MAN KRABBY. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::::I did say to forget about the phonology stuff. *headbang* I never said change it to Aruseusu. If anything, the English one makes more sense, because a) it actually comes from Game Freak, and b) they're pronounced the same. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 18:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

== {{p|Darkrai}} ==

[http://www.serebii.net/platinum/legends.shtml] read the darkria section. [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 22:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

:Your point being? No offense meant, but I don't see what you're saying. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|Rawr I say!]] 22:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::Pure speculation on Serebii's part. Not worth including in this article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 23:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah! I mean, we don't even know if that was Arceus speaking. For all we know, that could just as easily have been Darkrai telling the player about his past. Heck, it could also have just as easily been Cresselia, for all we know. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== Evolution ==

Can someone put the Platinum Sprite in the evolution section?--Pokelova 20:39, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:The way we coded the page, we'd need to get sprites of ''all'' the forms first.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

==How?==

if Platinum didn't program event Pokémon in it how do we have the Platinum sprite?
that is,unless someone traded it to Pt--[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 18:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hacked for the sprite? [[User:Phocks]] [[User:Phocks|phocks]] 19:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

==No different Pokédex formes==

howcome the Pokédex doesn't show the different type formes as different formes?[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 18:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:Just doesn't, I guess. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

==Alpha, not Omega==

Should we note that Arceus is the Alpha Pokemon, and not the Omega Pokemon? This seems to imply that there is still another Pokemon that is stronger than Arceus. [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]

:Well, its classification as the "Alpha" Pokémon only applies to the English games, as it was classified as the "Creator" Pokémon in the Japanese games. (Right?) Plus, doesn't the English classification simply act as a way to show that it was the first Pokémon, and not as a measure of its strength? [[User:Xous|Xous]] 15:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

:If it is the Alpha pokemon.Then what is the Omega Pokemon.[[User:ArceusEX]]
::Magikarp? No, wait - it can Bounce. XD [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 21:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

:::The Omega Pokémon simply doesn't exist yet. Again, the title of "Alpha" was simply used by the English versions because they chose not to dub it the "Creator Pokémon", despite the fact that was its Japanese classification. If there ever is an "Omega" Pokémon, it'll be in a future generation. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 20:23, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

thanks
:Anyone here know the greek alphabet? Arceus was the first pokémon. Alpha is the first letter in the greek alphabet. See the connection? If there were to be a pokémon classified as Omega, the last letter in the greek alphabet, it would have to be the last pokémon in the last generation. Which I doubt we'll ever reach.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::[[wp:God|This guy]] was referred to as "the alpha and the omega," and there were quite a few people who came after him. Like, say, us. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 21:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I know the greek alphabet~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 21:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
''That Guy'' is the Alpha AND the Omega because he is going to outlast us all![[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 19:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:PLEASE let's not bring religion into this. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 05:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

== Evolution ==

Under the Evolution heading, it always shows Arceus in its Water Forme and no other formes. Why? [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 18:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:Looks like it's being internally cached. Just add <code>&action=purge</code> to the end of the article's URL and it should change types. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 19:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::Also, I'm pretty sure that they aren't "Formes". At least, not yet. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:36, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I think that TTEchidna should remove the "random type" code. It's a little annoying. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 20:10, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Kogoro, when I add <code>&action=purge</code> to the end of the URL, this happens: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Arceus_(Pokémon)&action=purge
::::It's <code>?action=purge</code>--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaz]][[User talk:Blazevoir|evoir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]] 20:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

==fire?==
why is arceus being refferred to as a fire type? i mean like it only automatically shows the type effectiveness for the flame plate, its boxes are orange which are for fire types, judgement is stated as a fire type, and its evolution table only has the fire type sprite. [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 01:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

ok well now its changed to fighting why is arceus' page changing reflecting on its type? [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 01:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:Because its designed to change into each of its 17 forms at random each visit to the page. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

oh ok thank you! [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 01:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:You're very welcome. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Ghost-favoring? ==

There are several Ghost-favoring things I found on the page that I want to know why they are there.
a) The Pkdx entry has a ghost-coloured heading background and border.
b) Location, same as A
c) The 'With Spooky Plate Equipped' section cannot be retracted
d) Learnset sections are I) Using Ghost-Type borders, II) Using Ghost-Type rather than Normal-type STAB, III) Using Judgement as Ghost-type rather than Normal-Type, to make STAB (but makes sense)
e) Using a Ghost-type sprite rather than a normal-type for the Evolution section
I want to know who's favouring ghost-types, '''NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!''' - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] ([[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Giratina's Embodiment|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* This has already been covered multiple times, including the section right above this one. It changes whenever you refresh the page. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::The type in the infobox is normal. Should we leave it like that, or change it to reflect the type on the rest of the page? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 21:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::No, to save from misconception~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 21:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Misconception and the ability for this page to be in 17 categories at once. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Tag ==

what is the tag for the random sprite generator because i wanted to add that to some of my pages for school to impress my friends. i hope this isnt too much to ask for. --[[User:23-03-33|Tom]] 19:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Tag? It's wikicoding based off of the time in seconds since January 1, 1970 at midnight, UTC. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:09, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I thought it was some type of javascript or css script that was used. it is a simple misunderstanding. [[User:23-03-33|Tom]] 03:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Nope, just wiki. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== You know... I just had an idea. ==

What if you had ??? Arceus, and it was confused and hurt itself. Since confusion causes you to deal a ???-type 40-power move to yourself, would Arceus then therefore get STAB on this? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:Isn't the ???-type super effective on everything? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 08:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
::The ???-type needs to be thoroughly researched. Anyone want to take the responsibility? [[User:Tesh|TESH]][[User_talk:Tesh|IGIGAS]] 21:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:::???-type does normal damage to any type, including its own. And of STAB, well, it DOES get stab. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
If a ???-type Arceus is burned while fighting another ???-type, which gets the STAB? Is it the same as being confused? In other words: which Pokémon does the damage for burn come from? [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 17:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Burn does always inflict 1/8 of the max HP of the sufferer, so the burn does not get STAB. It's like if Dragon rage was ???-type, it will always inflict 40HP damage anyways. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== The Horse God? ==

Anyone other than me noticed Arceus is very similar to a horse? Especially it's Platinum sprite, where it appears to be rearing up. I'm even working on a fandom book series ''The Pokemon Befriender,'' and as I am waiting to send this to Nintendo, I decided to put Arceus in there, decepting it as a horse. If you want to get some idea on the series, email me. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 17:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:Thats advertising. In addition, when i see Arceus, i think of Pan, god of Nature.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I think: Arceus = Legendary mule [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 17:42, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, Arceus is pretty much a horse. Just watch it in PBR. No question. However, I don't think the fact that it's based off of a horse is important to its role as a Creator Pokémon. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 05:30, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I just thought it interesting that Nintendo would put a fancy horse as a god. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 18:09, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Spritebox ==

Hey TTE, can you use your magic and make it so the Spritebox shows the correctly typed sprites as described on the page? Last time I went on the archives to check, I tink there was pretty well all the normal and backsprites (just not all shiny).--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 04:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:The shiny's the issue... I'll do what I can... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::Kay, now we need Pt and back sprites for all Arceus forms. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== Possible name origin ==

I was reading a thing on Hades and something caught my eye. "One of the three judges of Hades was named Aeceus..." Could this be the origin of Arceus? [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 05:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:Possibly, seeing as the creator do all this research. [[User:ShinyPikachu|ShinyPika <3 ALS]] 19:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
::Whatever you were reading made a spelling error: it's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeacus Aeacus]. Judging from the linked article, it has nothing to do with creation myths, so this is unlikely to be the origin of Arceus. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 20:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Arceus (Pokémon)/Archive 1

2008-12-17T20:56:13Z

ArceusEX:

<big><big><big>'''HEY GUYS GUESS WHAT. THE PAGE HAS CODING ON IT SO THAT THE TYPE WILL CHANGE RANDOMLY (or not so much, really just according to the time). DON'T ASK WHY ARCEUS IS A {{UC:{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|0=???|1=Normal|2=Fighting|3=Flying|4=Poison|5=Ground|6=Rock|7=Bug|8=Ghost|9=Steel|10=Fire|11=Water|12=Grass|13=Electric|14=Psychic|15=Ice|16=Dragon|17=Dark}}}}- FLYING TYPE! It just IS!'''</big></big></big> (Also keep in mind that it doesn't matter which type it is; you guys are smart, you can tell what moves are STAB for which plate... I hope...)
----

Um, {{u|TTEchidna}}, you put down that Arseus can become an ???-type Pokémon by holding a ??? Plate. Where'd you get that from?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 21:35, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Man u have got to be kidding me Arceus catch rate should not be 3. I used my Action replay to get the item 4 arceus then i went and caought it on my 5th dusk ball. My friend caought it on him 1st ultra ball. Another friend i gave the item 2 caught it on his 2nd qiuck ball- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Arguntom|Arguntom]] ([[User talk:Arguntom|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Arguntom|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Man, you have to be kidding me, you can't even spell the word "you" right. Arceus's catch rate is 3. If you'll notice, those balls multiply the catch rate formula by quite a bit, which greatly increases the chance to be caught. Plus, it's all on luck, I've had Magikarp break out of balls before. --'''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:36, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

I added an alternative origin to Arceus's name that I found on: http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=286767.[[User:Draconium|Draconium]] 23:42, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

==Is there a point...==
Is there a point of having a table for each of the plates when it is attached to Arceus?
We could just have Arceus without a plate, and then have each title with an image and a sentence saying what type Arceus changes to.
For Example:

==Type effectiveness==
===No plate equipped===
{{DP type effectiveness|
type1=normal|
Normal= 100 |
Fighting=200 |
Flying= 100 |
Poison= 100 |
Ground= 100 |
Rock= 100 |
Bug= 100 |
Ghost= 0 |
Steel= 100 |

Fire= 100 |
Water= 100 |
Grass= 100 |
Electric=100 |
Psychic= 100 |
Ice= 100 |
Dragon= 100 |
Dark= 100 }}
[[Image:Spr 4d 493-Fire.png|thumb|right|Sprite for {{type2|Fire}} Arceus]]
===With Flame Plate===
When the Flame Plate is attached to Arceus, it becomes a Fire type.

etc... [[User:Tesh|Tesh]] 23:06, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

==Picture==
I have this picture:

[[Image:Arceus.PNG]]

I did not draw it. I want to use it on the page. It is much better than trying to stare at a tiny sprite. --[[User:Stinkoman|Stinkoman]] 15:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

:Better than a sprite for sure, but it'd be nice if we could find one without such bad compression artifacts. [[User:Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur|Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]] 22:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think we should really be using an unofficial image for the page. What would be nice is if somebody could get a nice, high-quality (as in NOT a photo of the monitor) screenshot of ARceus from PBR.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 01:22, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:::You mean hack an Arceus and copy it into PBR?
[[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]][[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[Gallade (Pokémon)|448]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 11:46, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

== Sprites? ==

Should we include separate sprite templates for all of the forms, or just do it for one? I know that Unown and Castform, among others, would serve the same problem. '''[[User:TTEchidna|T]][[User talk:TTEchidna|T]][[wp:Echidna|Echidna]]''' 22:10, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

== Art?! ==

I'd like to know the source of Arceus' picture. Mainly because it hasn't been revealed yet. TinaTheKirlia 02:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
:It's a piece of fanart. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 02:47, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
::That's what I thought, although there was an edit that said "Official Art" or something and it was rather confusing. TinaTheKirlia 16:29, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
I think we should replace that art with a sprite. It seems inaccurate... Mariocaper 19:19, 20 September 2007

Yeah, and we could enlarge the size of the sprite so it won't be that tiny anymore, right? [[Image:Psychic-attack.png|Psychic]]http://www.pokemonelite2000.com/sprites/dpiconani/dpiconani475.gif '''[[User:Optimus35|Optimus35]][[User talk:Optimus35|Talk]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' [[Image:Fighting-attack.png|Fighting]] 06:45, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:Enlarged sprites look terrible. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 06:49, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::Couldn't we get a PBR screenshot? And I mean a screenshot, not someone pointing their camera at a television? (We need that for Rosy and Sashay, too...)--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 07:13, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::I can't, my FRAPS only works on full screen games like Maple Story...I think we could take the Arceus photo, enlarge it and sharpen it a little, then put it back on bulba. The only problem with this is that the sprite would be oversize...
:::I hope that you have permission to use that piece of fan art. --[[Special:Contributions/Kenji-girl|☆]][[Tracey Sketchit|ケンジ]][[User:Kenji-girl|ガール]] 21:27, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
::::I've got five PBR shots. They're all in my [[User:Optimus35/Sandbox|sandbox]]. Click on the links under 'Arceus'. Tell me which one looks best on my talk page and I'll upload it onto Bulbagarden Archives...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|δ]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 09:01, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Change the pic!
[[User:Crystallucario|Crystallucario]] 14:54, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
:The reason why we're not changing it is because it's nicely done fanart, and it's more easier to look at this instead of a sprite.
:Otherwise it'd be absolute hell for me to draw Arceus. Still is, but certainly more easier than looking at a sprite. :p [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 16:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
hmmm maybe ok whatever...
[[User:Crystallucario|CrystalLucario 12:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)
::...except, do we have permission to use the image? The image page doesn't seem to claim it at all, so I'm going to go ahead and guess that we're doing something illegal or at least unethical here. Seriously, why can't we just use a PBR shot?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 00:58, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Since when was pokemon ever ethical? Think about it, the aim of the game is to run away from home at 10 years old (good parenting skills mom) and after having abuse a poor little starly to the brink of death by slashing it over and over again with false swipe you throw something at it, only adding to the poor creature's pain and torture only to trap it inside a small, cramped chamber for the rest of its unnatural life whilst using it to abuse other pokemon. But anyways I digress, the point is the piece of fanart looks nice, is accurate and fits in perfectly with all the official pokemon artwork. Hell when I first visited the page I thought it WAS a piece of official artwork. A PBR snapshot would not be at all as effective as the fanart. So no, we ain't havin a PBR shot. [[User:Wikid|Wikid]] 16:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

::::No one is questioning the ethics of the series, just in using someone else's work without their consent. Besides, the face is drawn wrong. There should be more lines running across it. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:28, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::The artwork in question is drawn by Seyanni of Deviant Art. If no one has contacted him yet for permission, I could see if I can get a PM through, though I'm not sure if this would be the correct thing to do in this case. The fan art is, as mentioned above, not completely accurate, as Arceus has one more line running across its face, and the "wheel" on its body is also conflicting with what is shown not only on the sprite, but what is shown in PBR (a more pointed frame, with gems in the crosses, not green circles). If there's no permission (currently not proven) and because it's innaccurate, isn't the right thing to put the sprite up until the official art is revealed? However, if the quality of the sprite is the concern (many seem to be worried about the overall look of the page), perhaps I could offer you the rights to use my art on this page? It's 100% PBR and sprite accurate, and the quality is clear and it looks professional. I'm not trying to start another image battle here, but I do believe that if the overall look of the page is the concern, coupled with the accuracy of the fan art, then my work would fill the role. If you're willing to look into it, I'm Xous54 on deviant art, and the work I'm willing to allow use of is http://xous54.deviantart.com/art/Official-Pose-of-Arceus-100490528 . I can resize the piece and remove the signatures if this wiki finds the piece acceptable for the replacement.[[User:Xous|Xous]] 19:33, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== Metronome ==

My Mew used Judgement through Metronome. Should I include something like this under "Trivia":

Although Nintendo is attempting to keep Arceus secret, it is possible for Arceus's signature move, {{m|Judgment}}, to be used through {{m|Metronome}}, thus potentially revealing the existence of Arceus to otherwise unaware fans.

--[[User:Shiny Noctowl|Shiny Noctowl]][[User talk:Shiny Noctowl|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Shiny Noctowl|Contribs]][[Image:Ani480MS.gif]] 20:33, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

i could draw arceus if that would help. i like drawing pokémon. {{u|talonclawz}} new comer!!!!!!!!!! [[Image:Ani444MS.gif‎]]

== Shishigami? ==

Should any mention of the Forest Spirit Shishigami from Miyazaki Hayao's Mononoke-Hime be mentioned in the article? Arceus seems to have a resemblance to Shishigami. In addition, on the illegal hacked Pokémon Diamond (Telefang Power), Shishigami appears on the front, despite not having anything to do with the game (that's the way those criminals work), and then in the real Pokémon Diamond, Arceus was added. Does anyone else think that some trivia should be added about this? ~Kumori Satosuke
:Outside of the whole quadrupedal thing, I don't think there's anything else that's official to suggest a connection. For example, Arceus seems to be nothing outside of a creator, while shishigami is given dominion over life and death.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:27, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, I agree. There really isn't anything linking the two other than a vague (And I do mean VAGUE.) resemblance. --[[User:Dual|Dual]] 14:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

== ??? type sprite may prevent crash ==
Just a theory, but the programmers at Game Freak may have drawn and programmmed a ??? type Arceus to prevent game crashes. Anyone with a code patcher can figure out how to change a Pokémon's type. They might have figured that someone would tamper with Arceus's type, and if they changed it to a ??? type, and there was no sprite for it, the game would crash because it would try loading data that does not exist. That's my theory anyway. [[User:Fsilone|Fsilone]] 02:10, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
:That's really logical. figure that by yourself? But I still don't know if we should put that in the article.[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 02:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

::im a little iffy on the grammer, but other than that i think its a fantastic theory and should be in the trivia section. excellent. now all i need to do is figure out how to do it myself in my game with the Action Replay... [[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TALK]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]] 02:30, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:::You can't - you need to edit the rom data - action replay only edits temporary and save data. Think so anyway. '''[[:User:Origamiguy|折り紙ガイ]] - [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|離す]][[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|貢献]]''' 15:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

I think I don't see anything grammatically wrong. I copied the words above and reworded it into sentences.[[Image:Ani471MS.gif]][[User:Pokemaniac102|'''Poke''''''maniac''''''102''']][[Image:AniEggMS.gif]] 02:34, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:yea, im probibly wrong, im not joking when i say i failed english class......twice...with a 54..... [[Image:Ani081MS.gif|35px]][[User:MAGNEDETH|MAGNEDETH]][[Image:Ani082MS.gif|35px]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|TALK]][[Image:Ani462MS.gif|35px]] 03:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

what the heck is shishigami? is it a pokémon?(someone out there?) -{{u|talonclawz}} new comer!!!!! [[Image:212MS.gif]] 1:06, 5 April 2008

No. Wait a minute if you don't know that Errr...how new are you to Pokémon?[[User:Crystallucario|'''''Crystal''''']] [[User talk:Crystallucario|'''''Lucario''''']] 17:43, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

A shishigami is a Japanese god of death. [[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 14:51, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

== {{type2|???}} Sprite ==

[[Image:Question-Type Arceus Before.jpg|thumb|left|Before]][[Image:Question-Type Arceus After.jpg|thumb|right|After]]How long has the sprite of ???-type Arceus been pulling that vanishing act? Basically, the only time you can see the sprite is when the white background on PNG-format images is still visible, as seen in the Before shot. Once the white backgrounds vanish, the rest of the sprite should still be there. However, on ???-type Arceus, the sprite vanishes along with the background, as seen in the After shot. Is there a way to fix this?

(The shots in question come from an area of my own user page, specifically a [[Template:User Favorite Move|favorite move tag]] programmed for a ???-type move and {{m|Curse}} with the Arceus sprite in question for a laugh. The [[Template:User 2000|2000-edits in a month tag]] above it is also shown for comparison.) --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 05:41, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

:Wow. That's weird that it just disappears! --[[Image:Spr 3e 059.gif|70px]][[Image:Spr 3e 132.gif]]'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Mission Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Sandbox|2]]''' [[Image:Trozeiani025.gif]] 11:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I think I figured out the vanishing act. It's due to the filename. Many operating systems don't allow question marks in filenames, and it's probably due to those that caused the image to vanish. I went and uploaded an image to [[a:Image:Spr 4d 493-Unknown.png|Image:Spr 4d 493-Unknown.png]] on the archives, and that image works as it should! Every instance of the vanishing image has been changed to the one that doesn't vanish, so you won't be seeing vanishing ???-type Arceus again anytime soon. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

== Pic ==

Okay, I remember {{u|Urutapu}} saying something about a screenshot of Arceus from PBR. Well, I got a Wii ''and'' PBR for Christmas. And I have *cough*cheated*cough* four Arceuses. All I need now is a good-quality emulator that can screenshot my Wii with. Any suggestions?
--{{u|Stinkoman}}

Somehow theres a way of putting a SCART socket into your PC and running it through that. My mate's computer can do that but i think it had the socket when he bought it. [[Image:Ani258MS.gif]][[User:Origamiguy|OrigamiGuy]] Lieks [[Mudkip (Pokémon)|Mudkipz]][[Image:Ani258MS.gif]]

== Officially been revealed ==
Until this Pokemon has been officially revealed (by Nintendo or Coro Coro magazine) this page should be removed, because the only reason why there is proof of its existence is through a hacking or cheating device.
:WHAT! This page should be included on here. If it is in the Game, weather or not if it has been reaveled, it IS STILL IN THE GAME WITHOUT HAVING TO BE MADE{{Ani|493}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|'''C ''']]{{Ani|491}}[[User talk:Darth Cookie Monster|''' Is''']]{{Ani|426}}[[User:Darth Cookie Monster/My Story|'''for Cookie''']]{{Ani|473}}
::Yea, this page is about a Pokémon. In case you don't know (hopefully you do), this is a Pokémon encyclopedia. This page is like mandatory. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 02:12, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Exactly. We have pages for all Pokémon ''officially programmed into the games''. Would you come here before Deoxys was revealed and say "NUH UH THERE'S ONLY 201 IN HOENN DEOXYS IS A HAKKER ONLY POKEMAN." Arceus is official, they're just holding off on the official revelation. Besides... plenty of Pokémon from each generation were never revealed through CoroCoro or by Nintendo individually. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]][[Image:Ani155MS.gif|Fire echy]]''' 07:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

I may only be 10, but take it from me. Arceus is real. It is on pokemon.com's pokedex.[[User:DaPikanator56|DaPikanator56]] 18:47, 22 March 2008 (UTC){{u|DaPikanator56}}
:Well, actually, it's not on the PokéDex on [[Pokemon.com]], but yes, it is real. --'''[[User:Theryguy512|Theryguy]][[User talk:Theryguy512|5]][[User:Theryguy512/Contribution Page|1]][[User:Theryguy512/Similarities|2]]''' 13:17, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
::An example of what TTE said would be the Porygons. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]02:32 30 Mar 2008'''

Oh yeah! It and ummm... {{p|Shaymin}} I think aren't Theryguy.[[User:DaPikanator56|DaPikanator56]] 18:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC){{u|DaPikanator56}}
:Shaymin has been acknowledged by official Japanese sources. And to address the original point, we are not Wikipedia. Everyone knows that Arceus is real, so this page is a necessity. Hell, we have articles for a lot of glitch Pokémon so a real one definately passes. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] [[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|T]]-[[Special:Contributions/Fabu-Vinny|C]]-[[User:Fabu-Vinny/Sandbox|S]] 23:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

True...Oh, and by the way, in the summer I will shorten my visits here, but this place rules! It ain't demented like Chuckie Cheese's.
:) ^-^[[User:DaPikanator56|DaPikanator56]] 22:31, 3 April 2008 (UTC)DaPikanator56

Arceus is already in the game (I actually have it (with the help of an Action Replay of course)), so this page doesn't need to go anywhere. Little do people know, Arceus is probably watching the whole time the player is beating up Team Galactic and catching Dialga/Palkia, seeing as the platform Arceus is on is floating over the Spear Pillar. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 18:03, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

==Picture==

I found this picture interesting, but low quality. [http://www.pokebeach.com/news/0507/arceus.jpg its on www.pokebeach.com] --[[User:Britannia's Blade|Britannia's Blade]] 21:25, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
:Good find, but it's already linked from the article [[Arceus (Pokémon)#External links|right here]]. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 23:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

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I also just found this one [http://www.arkeis.com/images/pokemonfactory/arceus.png ****] Fan art of course but very serious looking, Lots more like it [http://www.arkeis.com/legendaries.htm here] what do you think? --[[User:Britannia's Blade|Britannia's Blade]] 18:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:I don't see how fanart is very notable to put up here.. >_> [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 19:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
::The one we have right now will do us until Arcy is revealed next year. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:37, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
:::What about this one? - [http://www.pokebeach.com/news/0507/arceus2.jpg (1)] '''[[:User:Origamiguy|折り紙ガイ]] - [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|離す]][[:Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|貢献]]''' 15:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
::::-Gasp- Why not that one! Ooo, take it! TAKE IT!!! '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Optimatum</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''13:53 2 May 2008'''''
TTE, Arceus isn't going 2 be revealed 4 two years yet. [[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 14:53, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

==Arceus and Giratina==
Aren't Arceus and Giratina sort of opposites of each other because Arceus is God and Giratina is the devil sort of, I mean Arceus didn't create Giratina so that means they were the two entities before time started. [[User:Big Johnno|Pokémon Master]] 17:46 15 May 2008
:Maybe you're right, but i think that Giratina is part of the Dragon Trio. [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::Giratina is the BOSS! It saved the two other Pokamon! Posted by the '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''01:04 17 May 2008'''''
:Hold on, there's no reason to get angry. Why can't we just WAIT until Arceus is officially revealed? Isn't that BETTER than argueing? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:37, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

In my eyes it would be

Dialga + Palkia = Rivals (Time VS Space)

Giratina + Arceus = Rivals (God VS Darkness?)

So yeah, regardless of the fact Giratina is part of the Dragon Trio.
(''Thinking about it, those four are exactly the same as my characters |: Lily = Controls Time. Darkness = Controls Space. Akito = Controls Death. Rose = Controls Life/Is a sort-of God. But anyway, my characters are irrelevant too this xD'') [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 14:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:So, Arceus is God/JesusHoly Spirit, and Giratina is Satan? O.O It's Da '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:03 26 May 2008'''''
::Arceus is Arceus. Giratina is Giratina. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Meh, that's the Atheist way of seeing it. Hey, wait, am I about to be stone for being anti-atheist? Damn. It's Da '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''07:13 26 May 2008'''''
::::I didn't say Giratina was Satan, i simply said he was...darkness. [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 02:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
My question is, how do you KNOW Giratina is bad, or if Arceus is even good? How do you KNOW Giratina wasn't created by Arceus? You don't. Besides, Neither ot them are from Christianity, and U know what? I'm a devout Christian and I don't care if Arceus wasn't based off of my God. [[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 14:56, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Does anybody want to see it this way, "WE SHOULD ALL JUST WAIT"? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 22:06, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::I don't think Giratina is evil. You don't have too be evil/whatever to control darkness/whatever Giratina controls. I do not think Giratina is evil! [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 22:22, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
:Is this text INVISIBLE? WE SHOULD ALL JUST WAIT! [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 00:28, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
::Thank you, good people of bulbapedia, for waiting. [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 00:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Giratina isn't bad, or evil, or a demon, or any of that bull****. They make Darkrai seem like he's evil in The Rise of Darkrai, but he wasn't. Just because Giratina lives in a graveyard doesn't mean he's evil. [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 18:06, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm thinking that Giratina will be added to "The Original Story." Remember how, in Ruby an Sapphire, the only ones mentioned in the old man's story were Groudon and Kyogre, with Rayquaza a non-storyline okemon, but then, in Emerald, it became a vital part of the game? Same with Giratina. -[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 02:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
WAIT! [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:49, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
: I AM waiting. It's merely a theory, and could be entirely wrong. I'm just trying to soothe the tensions here.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:28, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::Ok, it's been a few months since I last looked up here and I now think that it is wise to wait, but it is also important to FRIENDLY share ideas, instead of course doing something like this,"No, your wrong! BLAH! BLAH-BLAH!" ,also you are right to try to soothe tensions. [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 23:45, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
THANK YOU. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 04:57, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

== More sprites ==

Ok, so we have all the type sprites for Arceus and it's shiny sprite, but we don't have shiny forms for Arceus' other types. Could someone please tell me if it's possible to get those sprites and if so get them for us? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 12:08, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
:If i could, i would, but i can't, so i can't help you. I'm not even 100% sure Arceus's other-type sprites HAVE shiny versions of them :| [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 14:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
::They do. And a simple method is to color the sprites the right color. The white portion of the body is the only part which remains constant throughout the non-shiny forms. and when it becomes shiny, the rings are the same color as those of the non-shiny ones. The only thing that differs between non-shiny and shiny is the white portion, which turns yellow. It's Da '''[[User:Optimus35|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''06:01 26 May 2008'''''
:So... could you do that for us as a favor? [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 22:02, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
::I might have those sprites on my computer somewhere. Want me to upload them? [[User:Yinyang1195|Yin]][[User talk:Yinyang1195|Yang]] 20:05, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
:Why don't you recolor them...it will be easy.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 00:49, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
::I dont no how... [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 00:54, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm...I would do it, but I'm very busy right now, you could go ask hcfx2 for help, he's great at recoloration.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 00:57, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
:Nevermind, i found them on "a:Catagory:Arceus". But thanks :) [[User:Arceausams|Arceausams]] 01:11, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== Metronome and Judgement ==

If a player knows nothing about Arceus, how would they know that Judgement is its signature attack? Even if it is used by a Pokémon using Metronome. So could Metronome really spoil the surprise? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 02:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:Not really. ^^; Metronome can do ANYTHING. Even Explosion so...'''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''02:54 4 Jun 2008'''''
::Well, if they were like "Ooh, what learns that?!" and can't find anyone, they'll suspect it to be some crazy legendary not yet shown. And have lived under a rock since EVERYONE KNOWS OF ARCEUS. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::Hmm, then Singapore must be under a rock. Only two people I know know what's Arceus, that includes me. '''[[User:Optimus35|It's the <sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''03:12 4 Jun 2008'''''
::::Or this is nintendo's way of teasing us. kinda like,
Player:"What pokémon learns this?"
Nintendo:"Wait and see"
Player:"You suck."[[User:LordKaien|LordKaien]] 12:39, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

I only ask because of this quote in the trivia:

"''Although Nintendo is attempting to keep Arceus secret, it is possible for Arceus's signature move, Judgment, to be used through Metronome, thus potentially revealing the existence of Arceus to otherwise unaware fans.''"

Plus, Nintendo ''has'' to know that the majority of their fanbase uses the internet. Every Pokémon website except the "official" ones have info on Arceus. A lot of them even before the games were released globally. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 15:57, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:The majority of the fanbase are kids who don't necessarily visit fansites. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::No ([[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 16:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC))
:::Yes. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 16:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::No ([[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 16:05, 4 June 2008 (UTC))

:::::I would have to disagree with that statement. I believe that most fans may have been kids at the beginning when Pokémon first came out, but now have grown as the series has. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

A similar thing happened to me when I was playing PBR. I ordered my Togepi to use Metronome and out came Judgment. I wondered what Pokémon used this move until I checked this site and I found Arceus. I didn't even know about its existence AT ALL when Metronome was used that one year ago... {{ani|385}}[[User:BlueJirachi|BlueJirachi]] 18:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus's pattern in the anime? ==

I didn't get a second look (mainly because I deleted the episode from my DVR), but I heard in the episode "Journey to the Unknown!" that Saturn was holding a cube with Arceus's pattern on it... [[User:ShinyRayquaza|ShinyRayquaza]] 19:35, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus + Sky Plate? ==

If you attach a Sky Plate to Arceus, wouldn't that make it become the first pure Flying-type Pokémon? [[User:Wynautluvr|Wynautluvr]] 16:53, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

:It is the first "permanent" pure Flying-type. The Porygon line can become Flying-types with their Conversion moves, and Kecleon can with its Color Change Ability. These Pokémon, however, revert back to Normal when the battle is over. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 18:56, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

::It's not permanent, in that you can change the plate and it loses the pure-flying status... '''[[:User:Origamiguy|Lord]] of [[:User_talk:Origamiguy|Ori]][[Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|gami]]''' 15:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
:::It's permanent in that it doesn't go away just because the battle ends. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:46, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
::::No its not. Its only a permanent flying type if its natural type (i.e. no plate) is flying. You might as well say its also the first permamnent ??? type since it can become that (potentially) too.[[User:Wikid|Wikid]] 16:43, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::If you never remove the plate, then it's permanent. Plus, you can't obtain a ???-type Arceus in-game in any normal fashion. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

:::::: Says you. firstly, the word permanent implies that the typing can never be changed. If you unequip the plate Arceus goes back to normal therefore it's not permanent. At best I would say its semi-permament. Secondly, there might a ??? plate given out at an event or found somewhere in platinum like Glacidia's flower. ??? forme arceus might be the result when you enter the torn world with arceus. It might even be what Arceus looks like when it is a shadow pokemon as there might be a new game coming out to do with shadow pokemon and DPP might be the first generation where you can trade shadow pokemon over. Therefore if you can trade it as shadow poke between DP and platinum then there is a way to get an ??? forme Arceus in a normal fashion.[[User:Wikid|Wikid]] 17:21, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Fine. "Semi-permanent". ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:24, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

== The ??? Plate ==

The ??? Plate exists, It is named mysterious plate by CodeJunkies, It may also be encountered in the underground as a Malfunction, people got this (like my brother) and attached it to ARCEUS, making the ??? type, no weaknesses are found on this type--[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] 00:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
:Believe me, people code-spelunk like there's no tomorrow...there isn't such thing.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:10, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

can M.vit at least tell how did his brother encounter such a plate, and how does it function with other Pokémon?and what happens to a Pokémon who knows the move [[curse]]

can somebody edit this article . It says that Arceus creted the Pokémon Universe,''Dragon trio'' and lake trio. Till now the dragon trio isn't officially confirmed. so whether I or somebody else should change the Dragon trio to the time-space duo: Dialga and Palkia.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:56, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

well, seems that nobody is out of topic, BTW, i have seem to find this code in Code Junkies here it is
Mysterious Plate x999
94000130 fcff0000
b21c4d28 00000000
b0000004 00000000
00000890 03e70133
d2000000 00000000--[[User:M.vit|M.vit]] 16:55, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

:The plates all have different names on CodeJunkies which are the translated Japenese names. I believe the Mysterious Plate is actually the Mind Plate. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:13, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
::Your right, it is the mind plate. '''{{Colored link|:User:Origamiguy|ff8000|Lord}} of {{Colored link|:User_talk:Origamiguy|ff8000|Ori}}{{Colored link|Special:Contributions/Origamiguy|ff8000|gami}}''' 16:45, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

There. Is. No. ???. Plate. The only move outside of the gamecube games that is ??? type doesn't do direct damage- so it doesn't need a plate. I for one agree with an above topic- the sprite is used to prevent a crash.Any self-respecting hacker can change Arceus's type into ???.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

==type change==

Keckleons ability color change changes its type according to the move done by the opponent so if ???-type arceus used judjement, will it change its type? can anyone experiment?--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

:The fact that you can't get a ??? plate makes it difficult to say. I have no idea what would happen...♪♪[[User:ShinyPachirisu|Shiny]] [[User Talk:ShinyPachirisu|Pachirisu]] :) ♪♪ 13:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

::???-type moves have been hacked and have no effect. So Kecleon would probably be unaffected. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 13:39, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, they do have an effect... they just deal minimal damage. Lemme see what it does in Gen III later on... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== [[Pal Park]] ==

Will it really freeze the game when you put Arceus infront of the party and bla bla bla to the Pal Park?
[[User:Palkia38|Palkia38]] 03:48, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
:Why would it do that? [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard any such rumor. What exactly is supposed to happen? [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 16:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Now... ==

Isn't what I did so freaking cool? I mean, look at it. And the best thing is that it is totally dependent on the ''exact second'' that you save/access the page. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:32, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
:A fine template, indeed. Would it be useful to use something like this to generate random examples in paragraphs?
:P.S.: What you did (a calculation based on a clock) is even a good idea for a new ability or move in the game that picks a random type. --[[User:Johans|Johans]] 07:53, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
::Now if we only had the backsprites for the various forms...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 22:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Two clock-based calculations would make it even more random. Watch this. {{#expr: ({{#time: U}} div {{#time: s}}) mod 9002}} {{#ifexpr: (({{#time: U}} div {{#time: s}}) mod 9002) > 9000|<big>'''← IT'S OVER 9000!!!'''</big>}}
:::As for random examples... hmm... Well, what are you thinking?
:::And I wish for the backsprites, too... And the minisprite, does it change with Arceus? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:58, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

==Arceus in My Pokémon Ranch==
For a fact,someone in the German forum BisaBoard got Arceus as one of the daily Pokémon!This person was -like me- totally dumbfounded and opened that thread to know more about this phenomena.
I've asked some expert in the same message board if this would be really possible.To my surprise,he said that he checked the programme code and Arceus is really included!I think this MUST be put into the Trivia section.[[User:Uxie legend|Uxie legend]]

:How does one check the program code of a Wii Ware title? And of course Arceus would be there, it can be deposited just like any other Pokémon. Plus, I ''doubt'' that Hayley will trade you an Arceus... ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 16:02, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

::Might be wrong, but I believe there is a set list of Pokémon Hayley will only trade off, which was found and released in dr_nza's FAQ found [http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/wii/file/943658/53074 here]. The Pokémon Hayley brings are random, so I guess Arceus is a possibility, but Hayley won't be able to trade it off. - [[User:Legotim|█╬▓◘ ’M █╚▓█ (ţś_łєğǿŧΐм)]] [[User talk:Legotim|spreche]] 05:06, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

==Hmmm....==
Should we add that Arceus is the most hacked Pokemon? Every hacker I know owns a Arceus ''and'' all its plates. [[User:Strong Intelligent|Strong Intelligent]]
:No. tc26 14:03, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
::I own all the plates too. I got them underground. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:46, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

:::I spent so much time underground that I have more than one of each plate. ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 03:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

In any case, the most hacked pokemon is probably Mew...[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

== Church? ==

{{u|Sui}} keeps adding an external link to "The Church of Arceus." I'm wondering whether or not this is notable enough, or if it's just an advertisement for an obscure fansite. I don't know anything, so you guys be the judges. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 21:59, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== Ūber? ==

If [[Arceus]] isn't offically reveiled, how can it be called Ūber? Can't spell.

☆ShinyPiKa 19:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)☆
:Well, some people hack into their games and can get Arceus that way. So they know that way. ...I really dunno [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 19:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

::His stats put him in the league of the strongest Pokemon of all, so he's safe to call that. [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 19:28, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

::: Although that is true, it isn't revealed yet so it can't be under that catagory '''yet'''. It's been annoying me, please remove it. ShinyPiKa 19:58, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:::It's being used, and people are able to--gasp, shocker--read its stats! And, since its stats (and movepool, for that matter) are pretty decent, it can be classified as "uber," despite it being revealed or not. --'''[[User:Gabbie|gabbie]]''' | '''[[User_talk:Gabbie|talk]]''' 21:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

:::: But people still use Arceus on Wi-Fi. Darkrai and Shaymin were in and are still in the UBER tier so why should Arceus be any different?--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaz]][[User talk:Blazevoir|evoir]] 20:59, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

::::: Because it hasn't been revealed yet !!! :D ShinyPiKa 22:23, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::You cant use Arceyus in the battle tower. [[User:MathijsP|MathijsP]] 09:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
::::::: Please remove [[Arceus]] from the Ūber secion 4 now, when its reveaaled u can add it back.ShinyPiKa 15:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::: Why? Every other website considers it ÜBER. Why should Bulba be any different?--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaz]][[User talk:Blazevoir|evoir]] 15:08, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Because people think Nintendo will kill us for actually taking note of their stuff before they officially reveal them. Unlike Platinum's existence before May 15, though, it can be proven that Arceus exists. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

The wording differs, but here's the basic definition of an Ūber Legendary: Any Pokémon that is banned by the Battle Tower. This, if you check invludes all definite Ūbers and no definite non-Ūbers. Arceus is banned; therefore, I say he is an Ūber. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 16:38, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Arceus vs. Mew ==

This is all that Mew's Pokédex entries say:

*Because it can use all kinds of moves, many scientists believe Mew to be the ancestor of Pokémon.
*Mew is said to possess the genetic composition of all Pokémon.
*Because it can learn any move, some people began research to see if it is the ancestor of all Pokémon.

First off, this kind of stuff didn't appear until Silver. Second off, it is ''very'' couched in uncertainty, and it is ''never'' said that its actually been shown to possess every type of DNA - ''only that its ability to perform any move has generated that rumor''.

Second off, several Pokémon are completely artificial, such as {{p|Grimer}}/{{p|Muk}}, {{p|Castform}}, or {{p|Porygon}}/{{p|Porygon2}}/{{p|Porygon-Z}}. So, how could Mew be considered their "ancestor", or have their DNA, if its supposed to be the "first Pokemon"? Wouldn't having the DNA of Pokemon who appeared completely separate from any genetic lineage instead imply Mew was their descendant?

Porygon is even said to be "A Pokémon that consists entirely of programming code." So, no DNA at all, and its upgrades are said to simply have had AI installed.

Even allowing for the monstrously egregious interpretations of genetics in the series, the idea that having all the DNA of a group makes you its ancestor is hogwash - its entirely the other way around.

Now, lets look at Arceus, and its info.
*It is told in mythology that this Pokémon was born before the universe even existed.
*It is described in mythology as the Pokémon that shaped the universe with its 1,000 arms.
* "Two beings of time and space set free from the Original One."
* "Three beings were born to bind time and space."
* "Two make matter and three make spirit, shaping the world."
* "The Original One breathed alone before the universe came."

Now, this is ''much'' more explicit than the Mew bit '''ever''' was. It makes it absolutely clear that Arceus came ''before even the universe itself, much less other Pokémon'', and that it in fact created the world and life itself. Once could claim that this is uncertain do to its status as "mythology", but that would be hilariously in denial of how the series has used mythology so far - as an origin story, not as something by definition uncertain or false.

How is there even a dispute about this? If it's a retcon at all, it's a fairly small one - it was clear from the beginning that the bit about Mew being the origin had a contradictory explanation.

Now, what could work is that Mew is supposed to be god-like like Arceus and other Legendaries - in this case, it would logically be some scion of life, which would in fact explain its design. If the bit about Mew containing all other DNA turned out to be "true", in the context of the franchise, then this would also make much more sense than the pseudo-scientific jargon used in Silver - Mew contains the DNA because it is the ultimate personification of life/birth, and the scientists are trying to force a contradictory explanation for the oddity in order to deny its true, supernatural origin.

So can we please stop claiming things like the D/P Pokedex "still stating that it's the ancestor of all pokémon", or that "it's no different than people believing Arceus is the creator"? [[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:14, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:Creationism vs science? In my Pokémon? It's more likely than you think! '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 06:30, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

::ummm... "Uncertain", If I recall correctly, it can learn "Transform", which, unless I'm mistaken, involves the recombination of it's own DNA to match said pokemon that transforms. And, since Ditto's Pokédex entry hints that how it transforms involves it recombining it's DNA to match the pokémon it's trying to match, the same can easily be said for Mew. So, really, considering how it knows transform, and it can transform into a lot of pokémon, even legendaries that were supposedly created before it, it still has merit in regards to having the DNA of all pokémon, and thus being the ancestor of all pokémon.

::As for the Porygon/2/z example, considering the mere fact that Mew can transform into these three pokémon DESPITE apparantly not having their DNA, I think that those Pokémon have a miniscule amount of Mew's DNA (otherwise, how can Ditto [Or mew, for that matter] transform into them?].). Besides, just because they are composed entirely of AI (whether it's the free will kind or not doesn't matter) doesn't mean it can't have DNA. Take the Mega Man series (specifically, the Mega Man X subseries through the Mega Man ZX series.), the Reploids were mentioned to be complete Machines (all derived from X's design), and yet the games also mentions that they have DNA (Reploid "DNA" was used to form the Nightmare Virus, and also revive Necromances III, Harumachine, Blizzard Staggoff, and Copy X. Plus, Axl's ability involves him mimicking his enemies (and in the case of Command Mission and [Technically] ZX advent, even bosses.).

::And anyways, Mew can also transform into Grimer, Muk, and Castform, which, if Mew didn't have their DNA, then how can Mew OR Ditto even transform into them?

::Also, about it's pokedex entries, both of them contradict themselves. I mean, one says that it was born before the universe existed, and yet, the other hints that it was born a little while AFTER the Universe was created, and that all IT did was merely "shape" the universe. Plus, it doesn't even HAVE 1,000 arms in its sprite, and not only that, but It also apparantly can't even learn any attacks involving arms, such as all of the punch variants.

::as for the origin book, that ALSO doesn't mention Giratina (yet, anyways, for all we know, Platinum could add it in.), and plus, that same thing hinted that Dialga and Palkia are two halves of Arceus, but then, why cant they merge together (I mean, Dragon Quest, and Mephiles the Dark could do it without much trouble from programming data, so why cant D/P)?

::and anyways, the legends also hinted that Legendaries can't be captured by mere mortals, yet most of the crime syndicates, the Pyramid King and even the protagonist has been wielding these pokemon as if they were nothing.

::That's my ruling as to how the thing isn't retconned (well, that, as well as the fact that, if it was, then wouldn't they have removed the entry from the Pokédex?) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 10:49, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

lets remember that game physics are different from animé physics. Dialga, Palkia and giratina symbolise physics of the Pokémon world: time, space and dimensions,so if Arceus is the master of them that wouldn't make sense:creationism and science don't go together. Mew can transform its appearance, but not the nature or unique functions of a Pokémon, and if we follow good sense we can also say that it can't copy Pokémon which evolved in a special way because their not ''original'' like trading its bioligical fusion of item and Pokémon DNA.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 12:40, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

:I'm pretty sure that it can copy even those that evolved in a "special" way in even the Anime. Remember, Weavile evolves from Sneasel via the Sharp Claw item, which also fits under the special way, and despite that, Mew STILL transformed into that pokemon in the Lucario Movie. If it can evolve through something like that, I'm pretty certain that it is even ancestral to those pokemon who evolve via special means. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 13:50, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Wait, '''''what?''''' You're saying that ''because it can do something that '''Ditto''' can do'', it must be the ancestor of all Pokemon? Wouldn't this also require Ditto to be the ancestor of all Pokemon?
:::'''Porygon''': Then you are making up things contradictory to the established in-game facts in order to force in your own fan-theory. Almost every Pokedex entry for the Porygon line reiterates that they have NOTHING but programming code.
:::'''MegaMan X''': It is never, ''ever'' stated that the robots are "completely mechanical" - that they have souls, DNA, and can merge with living things pretty much makes that theory impossible. DNA is a very specific thing - it's ''not'' a general concept about information derivation, it's a ''specific organic acid''.
:::'''Axl''': His ability has NOTHING to do with DNA, and is never claimed to. It's essentially analogous to what Transformers do.
:::'''Muk''': I didn't say that Mew didn't necessarily possess the DNA of all creatures, though that's not the only way to copy them. I said that claiming this meant it was the ancestor was so completely ignorant of evolution and genetics that it deserves ridicule.
:::However, Ditto is able to copy them because it is an amoeba, and can change the shape of its body at will. To be fair, it is ''once'' said to be able to copy the opponent's genetic code - which would only work AFTER seeing the opponent. As that is EXACTLY how Transform is described anyway, that theory is blown out of the water.
:::'''Arceus' Pokedex''': This is a bald-faced lie. The pokedex entries in no way claim that Arceus came to be after the Universe existed - at best, they claim he came before it, created it, and shaped it.
:::'''Arms''': Have you considered the fact that it could have lost them, or given them up? It is the only Arceus in existence, by the very necessity of its being, so its not going to be something like "They're all born without the arms". It "set free" all those legendaries from itself - maybe it made them from its arms, like so '''very''' many Creation Myths, ''especially the linked Pangu one''.
:::You could also consider that "1000" is often used in Japanese writing to mean "many", instead of a specific number, and as the trios of matter and spirit are considered extensions of Arceus, they could be its "appendages" in a spiritual sense. Seriously, that part of its Pokedex isn't contradictory ''at all''.
:::'''Merge''': What does this have to do with ''anything''? Why would Dragon Quest have any bearing on this?
:::'''Legends''': In the games? No, the legends don't claim that, so the fact that certain legendaries fight with trainers is not contradictory, regardless of your false assertion that it's "like nothing". In the anime, where the legends imply that messing with them is incredibly dangerous to the natural order...well, I'll just let you watch the movies, or something, and try to claim that it's "like nothing".
:::'''Remove''': Why would it be removed? It never claimed anything that was '''false''' - again, '''''it only claims that fictional scientists have a tenuous, uncertain belief based on one of its abilities'''''. The deliberate uncertainty of the Pokedex entries, in contrast to nearly every other Pokedex entry, even for Legendaries, has to be considered. If it's not simply a monstrous misunderstanding of genetics on the game designer's part, then it's almost certainly meant to be a reference to "Supernatural vs. Naturalist science".
::::''"If it can evolve through something like that, I'm pretty certain that it is even ancestral to those pokemon who evolve via special means."''
:::Again, this is inherently contradictory. If these are supposed to be new Pokemon, who only came into existence through a modern item, how could Mew possibly be said to already contain their DNA just because it can ''copy their form''? Remember, Porygon is said to be completely artificial, not an accident like Muk or Grimer.
::::''"lets remember that game physics are different from animé physics. Dialga, Palkia and giratina symbolise physics of the Pokémon world: time, space and dimensions,so if Arceus is the master of them that wouldn't make sense:creationism and science don't go together."'''
:::If Arceus is their master, then that would be in-game science. Science is the pursuit of ''truth'', not the pursuit of purely-materialistic explanations whether it's the truth or not.
:::Also, Giratina would symbolize the afterlife, or some other term for "The Other", not dimensions - "space", in the concept referred to by the triad, would necessarily contain dimensions already, parallel or measurable.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 05:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::::I'm not SAYING that Ditto necessarily IS the ancestor, I only brought it into the picture since it's the only OTHER pokemon to know Transform. And besides which, the Pokédex entry for Ditto explicitly stated that it can transform by rearranging it's Genetic Structure (in other words, it's DNA) to that of it's target. It ALSO replicates their move set and, unless I'm mistaken, even their stats and natures.
::::actually, the Pokedex contradicted ITSELF in that case. I mean, if it doesn't have ANY DNA, then Ditto (not to mention Mew) couldn't transform into it OR it's family, and we all know that it can. Try and get a ditto, and try to face off against Porygon or it's family members in your games, and use transform against it if you don't believe me.
::::Ahem... when I said "Mega Man X" I mean from the Mega Man X saga ALL THE WAY to Mega Man ZX saga. In Mega Man Zero 4: ''Intro: The Reploids... They were robots designed to look like humans... these '''technical marvels''' were given unique personalities and were intended to be the perfect workers and the perfect partners of mankind...'' Later, Dr. Weil says something that would hint at Reploid being COMPLETELY mechanical. This is when Zero encounters him at the Ragnarōk core: Dr. Weil: ''Justice!? Freedom!? Worthless ideals! '''You Reploids are Just Machines, but you started a war a long time ago in the name of freedom!''' And Humans! Look what they did to me! Driving Me away while spurting the word "Justice!"'' And don't assume that he knows nothing about Reploid Physiology since he worked on reviving Reploids prior to his banishment from Neo Arcadia, and besides which, the reason why he was banished was because he created Dark Elf and augmented Zero's original body to become the horrific Omega, as well as instigated the Elf Wars. That shows that he knows quite a LOT about Reploids.
::::as for Axl, it was indeed DNA. in fact, Model A, whose personality (as well as his abilities and the form that Grey/Ashe take on when Megamerging with Model A) is clearly Based off of Axl, and would have easily been labeled as a reincarnation of Axl if Master Albert didn't say that it was actually "Model Albert". Heck, after beating Buckfire in the game, he explicitly mentions that he absorbed Buckfire's DNA, which would allow Grey/ashe to transform and utilize his abilities at will.
::::It also mentioned that Mew possessed the DNA of all Pokémon, though (and anyways, just saying that it "possesses the Genetic code for "pokémon" pretty much implies ALL Pokemon.). And that's what I was saying about Transform the whole time. I mean, Ancestors have to have the DNA of ALL Pokémon to actually be labeled as an Ancestor of all pokémon.
::::As for the Arceus entry, the way Pearl's Pokedex entry was worded made it seem as though it Shaped the universe as soon as it was born. And anyways, the Origin Myth implied that Arceus was the creator of the universe, whileas Pearl's Dex entry stated that it merely shaped it.
::::How can a god lose arms? I mean, Did Ares become one-armed? No, he didn't, and he has fought several wars where something like Decapitation or losing some part of limbs can be considered inevitable, esp. during his time.
::::Lets see, because the Origin thing mentioned that Dialga and Palkia are two halves of Arceus, and, if they were truly two halves of the same being, then having them both in your party would gain you a new arceus. but it doesn't.
::::Let's see, because only the Crime syndicates, the Hero/ine, and in one case, a BF leader, was able to capture legendaries. Also, in the Anime, the only time that the legendaries actually CAUSED a natural imbalance was in "Pokemon 2000", which even THEN, it was hinted that it was actually caused by territorial disputes rather than because it was captured in and of itself. most of the other movies and anime related things that featured legendaries didn't have the legendaries causing all Hades to break loose right when they were captured. Besides, as common in many mythos, A god simply cannot be captured by Mortals.
::::Because, if they didn't HAVE DNA, then Mew and Ditto CAN'T transform, since the move Transform requires the Genetic Code of a pokémon. Besides, that was directed at the guy who said that those who evolve via trades and items can't be related to Mew.
::::No, it's in game Mythology. The Origin story is nothing more than one big myth.
::::And yet it's constantly implied that Giratina is listed among Dialga and Palkia.
::::Anyways, that's all for now. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 11:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::'''Ditto''': Your logic was that, because it can use Transform, it must be the ancestor. Either this implies that Ditto is also the ancestor (a contradiction), or you need to not make such claims. Its inherently self-contradictory.
::While Ditto's profile ''does'' sometimes say that it '''copies''' (not already possesses) the opponent's genetic code, it also says that it is "Capable of reorganizing its cells to transform into an exact duplicate of its enemy. It is usually a shapeless blob.", and that it can transform to resemble a rock. It is explicitly clear from the Pokedex entries, the description of Transform, and how Ditto is presented in the series, that it is merely ''reshaping it's '''own''' genetic code to '''resemble''' something else''. Because, as we all know, ROCK's DON'T HAVE DNA.
::The description of Transform, and how Ditto uses it, does ''not'' require that the opponent has DNA, only that Ditto does. ''Please keep this in mind''.
::The definition of "machine" does not require that something be purely inorganic in nature, and neither of the quotes you provided really even claims anything near that. Weil's quote, in that case, is emotional, and almost certainly pointing out his view that Reploid's are inferior and by nature servants of humans. This is the view used by ''all'' the villains in the Zero series, and is actually a ''huge'' part of the conflict. Play the games again.
::'''Axl''': No, it's not DNA. It's never said to be DNA. It's said to be a special ability of his, to transform his body. Model A, while designed to be a callback to Axl, is NOT Axl. However, I grant you that the Shittenou are said to have been derived from X's DNA. As Reploids are ''never'' said to be completely mechanical, and DNA is only mentioned as belonging to X and the Shittenou (notice that in ZX, Reploids and organics ''have been combined anyway'' - play the game again), it doesn't support your claim that something purely mechanical or programmed can still have DNA.
::'''Ancestor'': No, it says that some scientists ''claim'' that based on its abilities. '''You need to get that through your head''', and stop claiming that the Pokedex outright claims these things. You should also learn that your concept of "ancestry" is completely, utterly flawed, with no basis in any kind of genetics, and absolutely ridiculous. I'm sorry to be so harsh, but it's outright folly. That's NOT how an ancestor would be determined.
::'''Pearl''': You are again twisting or inserting things into the Pokedex that are not there in order to fit your views.
::'''Arms''': Hephaestus. Hercules. Pangu. Ymir. Odin. Please, think before spouting - gods are ''very'' prone to lose parts of their bodies.
::'''Halves''': First off, it doesn't. It claims they are two parts of Arceus. There is ''no basis'' in science ''or'' mythology for what you claim - Pangu and Ymir don't suddenly come back just because all the pieces are there. Two halves of an apple don't rejoin to a full apple just because they are there.
::'''Capture''': Pokemon 2000, in which the sea itself sprung forth, Pokemon the Movie, in which the world almost drowned, Pokemon 3, in which UNOWN nearly crystallized the earth, Pokemon 4Ever, in which messing with Celebi caused the forest to become a rampaging monster, Jirachi Wishmaker, in which messing with Jirachi caused the earth to come alive as a rampaging monster, Rise of Darkrai, in which Dialga and Palkia being disturbed nearly rent apart time and space...nearly every movie follows this format. Don't be so dense. Why would the world ''immediately'' come apart, anyway? If you removed the moon, it would still take some time for the seas to destabilize. As for your assertion that gods cannot be captured - you clearly have no knowledge of mythology. Such a thing is rife throughout Norse, Greek, Roman, Chinese, Japanese, Native American, African....nearly every mythology has such a thing happen. Only Abrahamic religions, where the ''sole'' God has absolute power and absolute perfection, has a deity invulnerable to human effort.
::'''New Pokemon''': First off, I didn't say all new Pokemon didn't have DNA, only that some of these included Pokemon who are explicitly said to be purely artificial. Second off, ''you really need to actually look stuff up before claiming things'' - your claims about, well, damn near everything in this discussion have almost no basis in what the game's have actually said. Transform requires the USER's DNA to be changed to cause the USER to resemble the opponent. There is no intake of DNA, and it would be ridiculous to claim that Ditto already has a databank of all DNA (remember, it can turn into Ash - is Ditto Ash's ancestor?)
::...it would be mythology (a story which explains the origin of the world) AND science (an experimentally fact-checked story which explains an empirical truth). Mythology is ''not'' equivalent to "lies and untruths".
::'''Giratina''': ...um, yeah. Which is why I explained that it can't represent something ruled by one of the others.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 22:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::As I said in my previous post, I wasn't implying that Ditto is the ANCESTOR (I only brought it into the picture because it's the only pokémon aside from Mew to learn Transform. Did I SAY that Ditto was the ancestor of all pokemon? no, I didn't.).
:::And that's why I differentiated between Mew and Ditto, see, Ditto needed to copy the DNA, yet it is hinted repeatedly even in DP that Mew's DNA contains all of Pokemon (more than just moves, also stats and typings to a certain extent [I.E. Transform]. Heck, it can even utilize Judgement if it wanted to (Not by move tutor's of course, but definitely via Metronome.). That's what makes Mew the ancestor. Besides, there's more to being an ancestor than just being there first. You must ALSO be genetically related. I'm not going into the DP thing since you're obviously missing the idea.
:::Ok, I'l agree with the Norse gods (though to be fair, it wasn't caused by Mortals), but Hercules was a half god, meaning, he can still be mutilated significantly by mortals with visible scarring.
:::Ok, I already covered Pokemon 2000, and the Unown weren't TRUE Legendary Pokemon. Also, The only thing caused by the capture of Celebi was the forest pokemon being POed, that Mecha didn't count since Iron Masked marauder made that mech. All Celebi did was just act as the core. Heck, Ask Blackjack Palazzo if you don't believe me, since she also mentioned that as well. I'll acknowledge Jirachi, though. As for the Rise of Darkrai, Humans weren't even responsible for Dialga and Palkia fighting, they just met when they ended up in a bad mood. Also, Mewtwo tried to do those actions to try and earn the right to exist (though most of that was eliminated from the Dub, sadly.). As for what you stated, if gods CAN be captured by mere mortals, EXPLAIN why Pirithous couldn't even capture Persephone without having his own butt stuck on a bench for all of eternity?! Heck, name one story where Zeus or any of the PURE gods were captured by mere mortals and forced to do their bidding by the Mortals command. Also, just FYI, I just mastered AP Latin, so DON'T say I'm not knowledgeable in Mythology in the Graeco-roman kind at least.
:::And for the last time, I didn't IMPLY nor state that Ditto even HAD a databank of DNA, that attribute belongs to Mew, and Mew alone.
:::Sheesh, sometimes you guys are impossible.[[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::::It doesn't matter whether you explicitly say that Ditto is the ancestor - you're reasoning relies on claiming that the ability to use Transform is an indicator of having the DNA, and being the ancestor. Just by looking at Ditto, that's false. Being snarky about it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.
::::Clefairy also has metronome, so Metronome cannot be an indicator of being the ancestor. To be the ancestor of all Pokemon, all Pokemon must be your descendants. Dialga and Palkia are clearly and explicitly descendants of Arceus only, unless Mew is Arceus' ancestor, which would be contradictory to what we are told. Again, you are confusing something the game frequently reiterates is a rumor, with what the game puts forth as exposition.
::::...what the hell do you mean "to be fair"? I never claimed that mortals caused the gods to lose body parts, and its completely irrelevant to discussion. As for Hercules, he became a full god after his original death.
::::....okay, I'm just going to post back your original post on this sub-topic, because you seem to have a bad memory:
:::''"and anyways, the legends also hinted that Legendaries can't be captured by mere mortals, yet most of the crime syndicates, the Pyramid King and even the protagonist has been wielding these pokemon '''as if they were nothing.'''"''
::::Mewtwo, the only Pokemon I can think of that was actually wielded by a "crime syndicate", caused those actions because it was PO'd about ''being used by humans''.
::::As far as I can tell, your implication with that passage was that Legendaries weren't the god-like beings that the legends indicated - ''yet their actions, even in The Rise of Darkrai, explicitly demonstrates that they are''. Whether a human actively screws with them or not, they ''can and will'' rip the world apart if they're in a bad mood. I'm also unaware of the legends implying that it's impossible to capture them - only that it's impossible to safely enslave them.
::::Wow...you pass high school latin, and you deem it logical to choose ''one'' example from ''one'' mythology to claim that ''all'' mortals in ''all'' mythology will never have the upper hand against ''any'' god? I'm definitely out of my league here!
::::Some other examples:
:::::''...Zeus then ordered Hades to chain Sisyphus in Tartarus. Sisyphus slyly asked Thanatos to try the chains to show how they worked. When Thanatos did so, Sisyphus secured them and threatened Hades. This caused an uproar, and no human could die until Ares (who was annoyed that his battles had lost their fun because his opponents would not die) intervened, freeing Thanatos and sending Sisyphus to Tartarus.''
:::::''Tantalus offered up his son, Pelops, as a sacrifice to the gods. He cut Pelops up, boiled him, and served him up as food for the gods. The gods were said to be aware of his plan for their feast, so they didn't touch the offering; only Demeter, distraught by the loss of her daughter, Persephone, "did not realize what it was" and ate part of the boy's shoulder.''
::::Yes, those who mess with the gods get it in the end - but isn't this ''exactly'' what happens to those who mess with the Legendary Pokemon? Even innocent play with pseudo-legendaries like Unown can endanger the world.
::::...I don't know how I can make this more plain:
:::::'''''You claimed that Mew's ability to use Transform meant it had to be the ancestor, and brought up Ditto as a "evidence" for your interpretation of how Transform worked.''''' Now, when confronted with this, you claim that the ability to use Transform does not imply something is the ancestor. '''''Make up your mind'''''.
:::::Actually, to be fair, you don't actually bring up this glaring inconsistency. You just try to avoid the contradiction, and try to "eat your cake and have it too."

To summarize:
#Mythology, as portrayed in the series, is quite reliable.
#Arceus' mythology is neither self-contradictory, nor unique among real-world mythology.
#The claim about Mew having the DNA of all Pokemon is not only contradictory to the explicit facts about artificial Pokemon such as Porygon, but never even claimed as fact, only as a rumor.
#Transform, as described in-game and as demonstrated by Ditto, does ''not'' require a databank of all DNA. It merely requires the ability to change shape, or to replicate another's DNA.
#Metronome, as described in-game and as demonstrated by Clefairy, also does not require a databank of all DNA.
#Claiming that Mew is the ancestor of all Pokemon is inherently contradictory to the stated claims about Arceus, Dialga, Palkia, Mesprit, Axelf, Uxie, and Heatran.
#Even before considering the contradictions in the total mythology, '''''The idea that having a copy of all of a group's DNA implies you are their ancestor is inherently ridiculous and contradictory. It is the opposite of how genetics and inheritance actually works, even on the most basic level. It can be immediately refuted by a thought-examination of a child and his two, un-related parents.'''''

[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 08:08, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Umm... Hello. May I be permitted to submit my own wild abstractions?(*looks around*) Thank you. Well, what if Arceus began by creating the Universe and then created Mew as a template for all Pokémon who then flew off and was disregarded whilst Arceus was busy creating the 'gods' of Time and Space... Or something...[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 21:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
::That would work. Mew could conceivably be the progenitor or ancestor of ''most'' Pokemon, but not all.
::Also, I'm sorry, it turns out Axl's Copy Shot ''does'' use DNA Cores, so I apologize for being wrong about that bit.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:26, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Thank you! I am good at filling in inconsistencies in canon like that...[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 18:53, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Do we call this the creation paradox? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]]''10:38 3 Sep 2008'''''
:::::I'm not sure what you're referring to, as the only creation paradox I know of would require Mew to have travelled through time and created Arceus, which is in contradiction to what we've been given ("The Original One breathed alone"), as well as not based in any ability of Mew's that we know of. Could you explain what you mean?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 19:33, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::That would be a Temporal Paradox. The actual Paradox here is that since Mew is supposed to be the ancestor of ALL Pokémon, and Arceus is a Pokémon, the original, then one must contradict the other - which is the meaning of the word paradox. More or less...[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 19:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
[un-indent] Look, I just feel the need to point this out. Do ''we'' have ''God's'' DNA? I don't see what's so contradictory about Arceus making Mew which all Pokémon (with the exception of, one assumes, Arceus's five avatars) may have eventually [Darwinian] evolved from. (...I just completely described intelligent design, didn't I?)--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 20:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, and anyways, if we were to go by the definition of "Retcon", the statement of Mew believed to be the ancestor of all pokemon wouldn't even exist in D/P (Heck, they could have gotten to mention one of Mew's OLD Dex entries.) [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 20:11, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

check the DP Pokédex entry it says that scientists ''belive'' it is not known but believed in, no proof so wait for official information or this will end in a pardox.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 16:45, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

:It is a paradox. But not a very vicious one.[[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 17:43, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, and besides, if we were to mention that we should eliminate the Mew dex thing as proof that it may not be retconned just because scientists believed that it was the ancestor of all pokemon, then by that same token, we should eliminate Arceus's Dex entry as proof that it is retconned since it says that it's believed to be the creator of the universe in MYTHOLOGY, in other words, it's believed to be the creator of the universe by a LIE! [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 19:46, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

:Exumptly. [[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 22:35, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a losing battle to try to make sense of world when it's creators care less about it than you do. [[User:Kajillion|Kajillion]] 02:11, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Here is how I belive it is done It just like the Greek Mythology

Mew created Arceus
Then Arceus created the Universe
Then he created Time and Space (D and P)
it just like how Chaos created Gaia and Gaia created Ornoas and they had the Titans

Its the same thing here all over

Remember in the 2000 Movei the Titan of Fire Ice and Lighting

And I Belive they have called some other Pokemom Titans before also

It all the same thing its Pokemon version of Greek Mythology
::::After reading this section I do believe that what was stated on the Mew talk page was correct and about porygon having only data don't you think if mew had part data too and porygon's data came from that bit of data--[[Mew (Pokémon)|M]][[User:MyUU|yU]][[User talk:MyUU|U]] 01:47, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
::: I think I figured it out. Ok, so Mew created an egg, which hatched into Arceus; which created the whole world,the Dragon trio, and The Lake Trio; then fell into a deep sleep, leaving Mew to create everything else. Doesn't the myth State that Arceus Created the two sinnoh trios and the whole world, ONLY. it doesn't state that it Created everything else, or that nothing created the egg it hatched from, Does it? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§hin¥£iΨ@chµ]] 22:48, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, Dialga and Palkia and Giratina and Arceus are considered by many as only legends, so the Pokédex programmers didn't know about its existence until the player captured it. But people have seen Mew, and proved its existence beforehand.[[User:TorchicBlaziken|TorchicBlaziken]] ([[User_talk:TorchicBlaziken|talk]]•[[Special:Contributions/TorchicBlaziken|edits]]) 23:11, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Okay, looky here. This argument is getting too long. Let me just summarise and give a difinitive solution; Sure, many scientists have developed the theory that Mew is the ancestor of all Pokemon because it contains all of their DNA. However, this is proven wrong with the origin of Arceus.
Arceus was born before the universe (or very early on, at least) and shaped the universe and created the dragon and lake trio. He then went to sleep for eons at the Hall of Origin. On Earth (in the Pokémon world) the other legendaries came about by their own means and whatever, such as the legendary beasts being created by Ho-Oh.
Mew came about of its own accord. It holds the genes of all Pokemon. That does ''not'' make it the ancestor of all Pokemon. If anything, it would make sense to say that it came about ''last'' since it contains all other Pokémon's genes. In no way should Mew's story crossover with Arceus's. Mew is simply a very powerful Pokemon whose initial theorised origin is wrong.[[User:Bttsstewart|Bttsstewart]] 04:48, 8 December 2008 (UTC)Bttsstewart

== STAB ==

The movesets seem to automatically assume Arceus is of the Fighting Type. I am unfamiliar with how this is coded, and so don't know how to fix it - is there anyone who can fix it?[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 06:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:Don't you mean Dragon-type? --[[Tracey Sketchit|'''ケンジ''']][[User talk:Kenji-girl|'''の''']][[User:Kenji-girl|'''ガール''']] 06:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
::Everything on the page assumes that Arceus is a randomly-generated type. It's a bit of code TTE added.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:42, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Arceus is a {{type2|{{#switch: {{#expr: {{#time: U}} mod 18}}|0=???|1=Normal|2=Fighting|3=Flying|4=Poison|5=Ground|6=Rock|7=Bug|8=Ghost|9=Steel|10=Fire|11=Water|12=Grass|13=Electric|14=Psychic|15=Ice|16=Dragon|17=Dark}}}}... everyone knows that.
:::Yeah. My random code that changes depending on the time that the page is last loaded to cache. Takes the Unix time (seconds since 1/1/1970) and then does a modulo division by 18, assigning one of the eighteen forms of Arceus to each remainder. Unown does a similar thing, but you only notice it in the evoboxes. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:04, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
:Um, Hello? Arceus is a normal-type. It's only dragon-type when it's holding the Draco Plate, ect.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Edit: Bah! I hate that time-code-thing. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:34, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

== Empty ==

There is no content in the "In the anime", "In the manga" and "In the TCG". So why not somebody delete it?
[[User:FireHazard|FireHazard]] 03:07, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
:So when it comes out we can put it there.All pages fit a designated template[[User:Darth Cookie Monster|DCM]]

== Moves ==
why is the movelist not where its supposed to be????
or is it just my computer????[[User:Dion24|Dion24]] 11:03, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

:It looks fine to me. What problem are you seeing? ~[[User:SaturnYoshi|'''$aturn''']][[User:SaturnYoshi|'''¥oshi''']] [[User talk:SaturnYoshi|THE VOICES]] 17:49, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

::The level up nd TM learnsets appear at the top of the page over all the writing [[User:Dion24|Dion24]] 07:53, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

that happened to me, and I realized that happened because I browsed all of the arceus formes or most of them.--[[User:Nobody777|Nobody777]] 13:15, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
:Everything on the page goes wired after you press show sprites and the movelist and everything else goes weird, and this goes for all pages. It might only be my computer, but it should be changed to suit all. --[[User:Wowy|Wowy]] 00:51, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
::I don't understand... What browser are you using? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 07:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

== Sprite and Evolution Sections ==

I think it's kind of wierd to have the rock sprite in the evolution section when it starts out in normal forme without any items on it. Also I think that in the sprite section it should have every sprite for Arceus's forms. This is just a suggestion. Also on a minor edit why is the rock type the default for this page --[[User:23-03-33|Tom]] 12:12, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
:If I remember it right, it depends on the second you go to the page. tc26 12:27, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
::Exact second the page was last purged from cache. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:59, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

== Japanese name ==

How can there be a romanization if the Pokémon hasn't been revealed? Where did this romanization come from? And don't try to tell me it's just what the kana says, because it hardly ever is. And you can't even write "rs" in kana. Which means this comes from somewhere. So ''where''? [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:06, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

*Not directly, but the u in ル isn't always vocalized (ス　often does this as well, and occasionally シ　and a few others also do). It's impossible to write in kana, but it's not impossible use in roumaji, because roumaji is intended to be written the way it's pronounced (this is also why the official romanization methods collapse (o)(-), (o)(o), and (o)(u) into ō). Strictly speaking the kana are (A)(ru)(se)(u)(su), but it's pronounced 'Arseus.'[[User:Sailorleo|Sailorleo]] 03:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

::That's not the point - it's still not official. I only added the Japanese phonology bit in so no-one would argue about that.
::...so, basically, that was a major fail. From now on, ignore anything I said about whether the name is pronounceable, and can someone just answer my original question: how there can be an official romanization for an unrevealed Pokémon? [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 19:44, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::There's not exactly. But it's the best we've got until we get one from Game Freak. So don't go altering it to the "a-roo-see-uu-suu" thing like we've had a problem with on ''other Pokémon'' long ''after'' their romanizations were revealed, like Kurabo. Crab. KRABBY MAN KRABBY. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 22:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::::I did say to forget about the phonology stuff. *headbang* I never said change it to Aruseusu. If anything, the English one makes more sense, because a) it actually comes from Game Freak, and b) they're pronounced the same. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 18:33, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

== {{p|Darkrai}} ==

[http://www.serebii.net/platinum/legends.shtml] read the darkria section. [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 22:39, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

:Your point being? No offense meant, but I don't see what you're saying. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|Rawr I say!]] 22:48, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
::Pure speculation on Serebii's part. Not worth including in this article. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 23:12, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah! I mean, we don't even know if that was Arceus speaking. For all we know, that could just as easily have been Darkrai telling the player about his past. Heck, it could also have just as easily been Cresselia, for all we know. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== Evolution ==

Can someone put the Platinum Sprite in the evolution section?--Pokelova 20:39, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
:The way we coded the page, we'd need to get sprites of ''all'' the forms first.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 03:42, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

==How?==

if Platinum didn't program event Pokémon in it how do we have the Platinum sprite?
that is,unless someone traded it to Pt--[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 18:45, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hacked for the sprite? [[User:Phocks]] [[User:Phocks|phocks]] 19:14, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

==No different Pokédex formes==

howcome the Pokédex doesn't show the different type formes as different formes?[[User:Ultamatecharizard|Ultamatecharizard]] 18:59, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
:Just doesn't, I guess. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 04:45, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

==Alpha, not Omega==

Should we note that Arceus is the Alpha Pokemon, and not the Omega Pokemon? This seems to imply that there is still another Pokemon that is stronger than Arceus. [[User:Master Lucario|Master Lucario]]

:Well, its classification as the "Alpha" Pokémon only applies to the English games, as it was classified as the "Creator" Pokémon in the Japanese games. (Right?) Plus, doesn't the English classification simply act as a way to show that it was the first Pokémon, and not as a measure of its strength? [[User:Xous|Xous]] 15:51, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

:If it is the Alpha pokemon.Then what is the Omega Pokemon.[[User:ArceusEX]]
::Magikarp? No, wait - it can Bounce. XD [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 21:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

:::The Omega Pokémon simply doesn't exist yet. Again, the title of "Alpha" was simply used by the English versions because they chose not to dub it the "Creator Pokémon", despite the fact that was its Japanese classification. If there ever is an "Omega" Pokémon, it'll be in a future generation. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 20:23, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

thanks
:Anyone here know the greek alphabet? Arceus was the first pokémon. Alpha is the first letter in the greek alphabet. See the connection? If there were to be a pokémon classified as Omega, the last letter in the greek alphabet, it would have to be the last pokémon in the last generation. Which I doubt we'll ever reach.[[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 23:37, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::[[wp:God|This guy]] was referred to as "the alpha and the omega," and there were quite a few people who came after him. Like, say, us. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 21:18, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::I know the greek alphabet~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 21:23, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
''That Guy'' is the Alpha AND the Omega because he is going to outlast us all![[User:Monblazon|Monblazon]] 19:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:PLEASE let's not bring religion into this. [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 05:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

== Evolution ==

Under the Evolution heading, it always shows Arceus in its Water Forme and no other formes. Why? [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 18:56, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:Looks like it's being internally cached. Just add <code>&action=purge</code> to the end of the article's URL and it should change types. - [[User:Kogoro|'''Kogoro''']] '''|''' [[User talk:Kogoro|'''Talk to me''']] '''|''' 19:03, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::Also, I'm pretty sure that they aren't "Formes". At least, not yet. --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 19:36, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I think that TTEchidna should remove the "random type" code. It's a little annoying. [[User:Blueapple128|Blueapple128]] 20:10, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Kogoro, when I add <code>&action=purge</code> to the end of the URL, this happens: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Arceus_(Pokémon)&action=purge
::::It's <code>?action=purge</code>--[[User:Blazevoir|Blaz]][[User talk:Blazevoir|evoir]][[Special:Contributions/Blazevoir|!!]] 20:37, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

==fire?==
why is arceus being refferred to as a fire type? i mean like it only automatically shows the type effectiveness for the flame plate, its boxes are orange which are for fire types, judgement is stated as a fire type, and its evolution table only has the fire type sprite. [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 01:18, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

ok well now its changed to fighting why is arceus' page changing reflecting on its type? [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 01:20, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:Because its designed to change into each of its 17 forms at random each visit to the page. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:21, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

oh ok thank you! [[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 01:22, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
:You're very welcome. --[[User:PsychicRider|'''Psychic''']][[User talk:PsychicRider|'''Rider''']]''''[[Special:Contributions/PsychicRider|'''☮''']]'' 01:23, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

== Ghost-favoring? ==

There are several Ghost-favoring things I found on the page that I want to know why they are there.
a) The Pkdx entry has a ghost-coloured heading background and border.
b) Location, same as A
c) The 'With Spooky Plate Equipped' section cannot be retracted
d) Learnset sections are I) Using Ghost-Type borders, II) Using Ghost-Type rather than Normal-type STAB, III) Using Judgement as Ghost-type rather than Normal-Type, to make STAB (but makes sense)
e) Using a Ghost-type sprite rather than a normal-type for the Evolution section
I want to know who's favouring ghost-types, '''NNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!''' - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] ([[User talk:Giratina's Embodiment|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Giratina's Embodiment|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* This has already been covered multiple times, including the section right above this one. It changes whenever you refresh the page. --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:27, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::The type in the infobox is normal. Should we leave it like that, or change it to reflect the type on the rest of the page? --[[User:Martonimos|((Marton]] [[User talk:Martonimos|imos))]] 21:50, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:::No, to save from misconception~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 21:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Misconception and the ability for this page to be in 17 categories at once. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:47, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== Tag ==

what is the tag for the random sprite generator because i wanted to add that to some of my pages for school to impress my friends. i hope this isnt too much to ask for. --[[User:23-03-33|Tom]] 19:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:Tag? It's wikicoding based off of the time in seconds since January 1, 1970 at midnight, UTC. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:09, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
:: I thought it was some type of javascript or css script that was used. it is a simple misunderstanding. [[User:23-03-33|Tom]] 03:42, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Nope, just wiki. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:46, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

== You know... I just had an idea. ==

What if you had ??? Arceus, and it was confused and hurt itself. Since confusion causes you to deal a ???-type 40-power move to yourself, would Arceus then therefore get STAB on this? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 03:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:Isn't the ???-type super effective on everything? '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 08:34, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
::The ???-type needs to be thoroughly researched. Anyone want to take the responsibility? [[User:Tesh|TESH]][[User_talk:Tesh|IGIGAS]] 21:05, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
:::???-type does normal damage to any type, including its own. And of STAB, well, it DOES get stab. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 21:13, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
If a ???-type Arceus is burned while fighting another ???-type, which gets the STAB? Is it the same as being confused? In other words: which Pokémon does the damage for burn come from? [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 17:43, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Burn does always inflict 1/8 of the max HP of the sufferer, so the burn does not get STAB. It's like if Dragon rage was ???-type, it will always inflict 40HP damage anyways. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 20:49, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

== The Horse God? ==

Anyone other than me noticed Arceus is very similar to a horse? Especially it's Platinum sprite, where it appears to be rearing up. I'm even working on a fandom book series ''The Pokemon Befriender,'' and as I am waiting to send this to Nintendo, I decided to put Arceus in there, decepting it as a horse. If you want to get some idea on the series, email me. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 17:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:Thats advertising. In addition, when i see Arceus, i think of Pan, god of Nature.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::I think: Arceus = Legendary mule [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 17:42, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, Arceus is pretty much a horse. Just watch it in PBR. No question. However, I don't think the fact that it's based off of a horse is important to its role as a Creator Pokémon. [[User:Xous|Xous]] 05:30, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, I just thought it interesting that Nintendo would put a fancy horse as a god. [[User:Giratina's Embodiment|Giratina's Embodiment]] 18:09, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

== Spritebox ==

Hey TTE, can you use your magic and make it so the Spritebox shows the correctly typed sprites as described on the page? Last time I went on the archives to check, I tink there was pretty well all the normal and backsprites (just not all shiny).--[[User:MisterE13|MisterE13]] 04:51, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:The shiny's the issue... I'll do what I can... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:49, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::Kay, now we need Pt and back sprites for all Arceus forms. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== Possible name origin ==

I was reading a thing on Hades and something caught my eye. "One of the three judges of Hades was named Aeceus..." Could this be the origin of Arceus? [[User:Kiryu|Kiryu]] 05:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
:Possibly, seeing as the creator do all this research. [[User:ShinyPikachu|ShinyPika <3 ALS]] 19:28, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
::Whatever you were reading made a spelling error: it's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeacus Aeacus]. Judging from the linked article, it has nothing to do with creation myths, so this is unlikely to be the origin of Arceus. [[User:Flicky|Fli]][[User talk:Flicky|cky]][[User:Flicky/Latin|1991]] 20:36, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Rotom (Pokémon)/Archive 2

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ArceusEX: /* Legendary? */

==Archives==
*[[/Archive 1|Archive 1]] (discussions from August 24, 2007 – December 5, 2008)

== Unprotect ==

When can this be unprotected? *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 12:14, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
<gallery perrow=3>
Image:Rotom normal.jpg|Rotom
Image:Rotom heat.jpg|Heat Rotom
Image:Rotom wash.jpg|Wash Rotom
Image:Rotom frost.jpg|Frost Rotom
Image:Rotom spin.jpg|Spin Rotom
Image:Rotom cut.jpg|Cut Rotom
</gallery> *[[User:Tc26|tc]][[User talk:Tc26|26]]* 16:09, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
:Could an admin also fix up the new stats-box? Rotom's the only one not updated. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 20:04, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
::Can this be unprotected anytime soon I wanna make the in the anime part now...[[User:Rucario64|Rucario]][[User Talk:Rucario64|64]] 17:39, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
:::This page isn't unprotected yet? [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 19:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

== Legendary? ==

I know this has been discussed before but since the main argument for Rotom not being legendary was its stats but now that it can change forms (a trait shared with several legendary Pokémon) that all have better stats ("almost making them analogous to evolutions") should this discussion be reopened.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 01:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:No. Not a legendary.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Shall we bring this up on the Castform talk page too then? What about Cherrim and Burmy? Rotom isn't legendary, it's just the Gen IV version of Snorlax, Sudowoodo and Kecleon (without the annoying blocking of your path thing). — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:44, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
:::The main argument was the new stats and ''event'' status. At least I new better than to edit the article outright. If nothing else, it is the first ''non''-legendary to have had new forms unlocked through events.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 02:41, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, technically, the official DP Pokédex released by Nintendo/Gamefreak/TVTokyo stated that Rotom was a Legendary Pokémon, but yeah, it's doubtful that it is one. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 02:59, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
::::: Then so is arcanine. Get working on that children[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::::: Actually, I was referring to this (It still labels it as the Plasma pokémon, BTW.)

:::::: http://archives.bulbagarden.net/w/upload/9/9d/LegendaryRotom.jpg

::::::03:05, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
I realized a while ago that here we didn't refer to it as legendary and respected that, I was just wondering if it was just because of its {{tt|''awful'' stats|which are better with the new forms}} as well as the new EVENT status.--[[User:MisterE13|Mister]][[User talk:MisterE13|'''E''']][[Special:Contributions/MisterE13|13]] 03:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

its legendary. duh. sure the booked said delibird was a legendary but in the lineup it wasent there and rotom was there. [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 20:49, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

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== noob needs help ==

While I refuse to get involved in your petty squable with Guardian, can anyone tell me (as Im new and dont know).

Why is DCM allowed to post an award on his userpage that he didnt earn, when Guardian isnt? I heard some of you say that DCM's award is different but I must say it looks exactly the same, and so does Guardian's. So why is one allowed and the other not? Just wondering, its probably obvious to you all, but being new...

If you want a newbie's advice, (im guessing you dont) i think both users should have both awards removed from their pages, neither earnt the award, they are mocking, and it lowers the value of the awards IMO, but thats just my opinion [[User:Crest|'''C R''']] [[User talk:Crest|'''E S''']] [[special:Contributions/Crest|'''T ☆''']]

:Well, DCM's clearly states "This is a foolish award" something that I am sure the actual one doesn't do. Not that I want to get sucked into this either. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 23:26, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

:(ec) I've added a "not" to DCM's version, just to smooth things over a bit. The main reason this was allowed to go this far is that "Golden Bulbasaur" is an "official" award, given out by BP staff, while Guardian's award is completely unoffical, so if DCM wanted to make an exact replica, it's technically not breaking any rules. --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 23:27, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
::HERE IS THE DIFFERENCE

::GUARDIAN'S---<code><nowiki>This user was awarded the '''Golden Bulbasaur Award''' for the month of '''November, 2008'''.
|}</nowiki></code>
::DA REAL ONE---<code><nowiki>This user was awarded the '''[[Bulbapedia:Golden Bulbasaur Award|{{color|986F0A|Golden Bulbasaur Award}}]]''' for the month of '''{{{1|{{#time: F, Y|-1 month}}}}}'''.
|}</nowiki></code>
::and now...
::YOUR'S---<code><nowiki>| This user was notawarded the '''[[Red Gyarados|{{color|{{silver color}}|Red Gyarados Award}}]]''' for the month of '''{{{1|This is a foolish award|6666}}}'''.
|}</nowiki></code>
::GUARDIAN'S---<code><nowiki>| This user was awarded the '''[[Red Gyarados|{{color|{{silver color}}|Red Gyarados Award}}]]''' for the month of '''{{{1|November 2008}}}'''.
|}</nowiki></code>
::THERE YOU GO!!! DONE--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 23:34, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Your missing the point. He copied an '''official award''' and had no differences other than de-linking it. I copied a user tag, and changed the subject of it. Big difference. and I dont know what you were trying to prove there REx Racer[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::::Well I just saw this mess and I wanted to get involved. Neither of you ''should'' have done that, but DCM's version is less controversial. Wait, I just took sides with DCM?? I must be going crazy!! I need to go do a mainspace contrib to be less crazy. --[[User:Dialgarules|'''Dialga''']][[User talk:Dialgarules|'''RULES''']] 00:28, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::I was trying to get Guardian to shut up about having made as much change as you did. He removed a link, where you inserted new text. '''''Big''''' difference. Seriously. {{tt|I declare you the victory in this battle!|Corny as hell...}}--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 01:43, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::OK, got ti.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

== BTW... ==

Still looking for a TRU Dragonite?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 03:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
: * I dont remember asking for it here* yeah, but i recently restartted my game, so not for a whil[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

== Nah... ==

I don't mind you. In other words, we aren't friends (not yet anyway, idk), but I don't dislike you. [[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 15:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:But that's impossible! You can't not dislike DCM! He gives his friends evil cookies, so no one can testify as to how he acts as a friend [they're all dead]. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 15:55, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::Oh. <code><sarcasm></code>Okay DCM, I dislike you now.<code></sarcasm></code>[[User:LordArceus|'''Lord''']][[User talk:LordArceus|'''Arc''']][[Special:Contributions/LordArceus|'''eus''']] 15:57, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:::their not dead, their with whitey..........
::::BAH! FINE THEN!- ''unsigned comment from [[User:DCM|DCM]] ([[User talk:DCM|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DCM|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

== Your question ==

How do they find her? By looking at the article of the episode she appeared in. Every episode has a humans section so it's not that hard to find a character without knowing his/her name. Satisfied? --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 18:34, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

== Three Things: ==

1. I don't know what the hell you're talking about when you mentioned the French accent. I don't speak French.

2. Don't you love your mommy?

3. PG-13 your face. I'll {{tt|eventually|when hell freezes over}} get that little green box that says "This page is not suitable for children blahblahblah." OK? And I'll get the E10+ thing. Now get out of the Watergate complex before I call the cops on you for trying to break into the National Democratic Party's headquarters. --[[User:Dialgarules|'''Dialga''']][[User talk:Dialgarules|'''RULES''']] 00:12, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:'''I HAVE A TRU DRAGONITE BUT YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BECAUSE YOU'RE A BIG FAT MEANIE HEAD! HAHAHAHAHA!''' And because I liek my Draggie. --[[User:Dialgarules|'''Dialga''']][[User talk:Dialgarules|'''RULES''']] 00:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ahem. The last word if you please?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 00:17, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:::YOU take the internet too seriously. I only put that comment there because I was trying to see if you would actually react. And you did. :p How old are you, like 20, and you live in your mom's basement and that's why you love her so much? I could probably take a lap faster than you could if you live in your mom's basement and all you do is edit this place anyway. --[[User:Dialgarules|'''Dialga''']][[User talk:Dialgarules|'''RULES''']] 01:35, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You wanted to see how I would react if you said do you lvoe your mother? You are an idiot, arent you. Because I love my parents, (and your mom), therefore Im twenty? Take a well deserved lap. and BTW, Im only 14. So why dont you mix things up and edit the mainspace?
::::I see you're taking your time to process this complex information I have inputted into your 90% empty cranial cavity. --[[User:Dialgarules|'''Dialga''']][[User talk:Dialgarules|'''RULES''']] 01:41, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::Know what? I suggest that you, DR, sit down, have a cup of coffee and start feeding on mainspace contributions, which are far more healthy than those 100% fat usertalk contribs. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 01:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Hey, you're right. I should go and eat some mainspace contributions. And I should also chew on some coffee and shove DCM's evil cookies down your throat too. DCM, you still didn't respond. May I suggest reading an educational book that you can understand, lets say, Dr. Seuss? --[[User:Dialgarules|'''Dialga''']][[User talk:Dialgarules|'''RULES''']] 01:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::(2x EC) While this appears to be in good fun, let me remind both of you that "fun" often gets out of hand. You won't need me to give previous examples, I'm sure. Play safe, boys. — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:48, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::C'mon! I only edited it twice counting this edit! T.T Meanie. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 01:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::::DR got in the way as well. It wasn't just you Optimatum. (Although it did really annoy me coz I wanted to leave the same message on both their TPs at the same time. Grr.) — [[User talk:The dark lord trombonator|THE TROM]] — 01:58, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:Off-topic, but, Optimatum, you say these mainspace edits are healthier, but why don't you list the nutritional values of each space? [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 01:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, my research is rather low. =S '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 02:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Doo doo doo. Ma computer time is still limited[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

== the list ==

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:No more mister nice guy :D[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

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== Noob ==

who knew you was such a noob i did [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 13:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Professor Oak

2008-12-16T21:21:39Z

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{{CharacterInfobox
|name=Professor Samuel Oak
|jname=オーキドユキナリ博士
|tmname=Dr. Yukinari Okido
|slogan=no
|image=[[Image:Professor_Oak_GenIII_Sugimori.png|140px]]
|caption=Art from Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen
|age=yes
|years= around 50
|gender=Male
|colors=yes
|eyes=Black{{tt|*|currently}} Blue{{tt|*|child}}
|hair=Gray{{tt|*|currently}} Brown{{tt|*|child}}
|hometown=[[Pallet Town]]
|region=[[Kanto]]
|relatives={{ga|Blue}}, [[Daisy Oak|Daisy]] (games) [[Gary Oak|Gary Oak]] (anime, manga) [[May Oak|May]] (manga adaptation)
|trainer=yes
|trainerclass=former [[Pokémon trainer|Trainer]], [[Pokémon Professor]]
|game=yes
|generation=[[Generation I|I]], [[Generation II|II]], [[Generation III|III]], [[Generation IV|IV]]
|games=[[Pokémon Red and Blue Versions|Red, Blue]], {{v2|Yellow}}, [[Pokémon Gold and Silver Versions|Gold, Silver]], {{v2|Crystal}}, [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen Versions|FireRed, LeafGreen]], {{pkmn|Stadium 2}}, [[Pokémon Diamond and Pearl Versions|Diamond, and Pearl]]
|leader=no
|anime=yes
|epnum=EP001
|epname=Pokémon - I Choose You!
|enva=[[Stan Hart]] ({{4Kids}}) [[Jimmy Zoppi|Billy Beach]] ({{PUSA}}) [[Tara Jayne]] (child)
|java=[[Unshō Ishizuka]] Keiko Toda (child)
|}}
'''Professor Samuel Oak''' (Japanese: '''オーキドユキナリ博士''' ''Dr. Yukinari Okido'', ''Ookido-Hakase'' and ''Orchid'' are also seen) is a [[Pokémon Professor]] and has a home and [[Professor Oak's Laboratory|research lab]] located in [[Pallet Town]]. According to Professor Elm, Oak concentrates on Pokémon and human relationships as a profession.
==Background information==
Oak gives his invention, the [[Pokédex]], to all beginning {{pkmn|trainer}}s in the [[Generation I]] games, and makes a cameo appearance in the [[Generation II]] games to give the player a Pokédex. He also makes an appearance in [[Generation IV]] to upgrade the Pokédex to the [[National Pokédex]].

==In the anime ==
[[Image:Prof_oak.jpg|thumb|left|Professor Oak in the anime]]
In the anime, Oak is most notable for his [[Professor Oak's Laboratory|vast research facility]], where he cares for and studies hundreds of Pokémon, including those owned by, but not currently traveling with, trainers from [[Pallet Town]]. His often-forgetful attitude and other antics are also notorious. His Japanese voice actor is 石塚運昇 ''[[Unshō Ishizuka]]'', his English voice actors are [[Stan Hart]] ([[4Kids Entertainment]] dub), and [[Jimmy Zoppi|Billy Beach]] ([[Pokémon USA]] dub) and his original Brazilian-Portuguese dub voice actor is [[Wellington Lima]], but [[Dráusio de Oliveira]] voiced him in some episodes of [[Pokémon Chronicles]] and the seventh, ninth, and tenth seasons. Since the beginning, he has been voiced by Hugo Jiménez in the Latin American Spanish dub, and by ''Rui Luís Brás'' (Kanto, Movies 3 and 4), ''Rui Quintas'' (Johto-Battle Frontier) and ''Paulo B.'' (Movies 1 and 2) in the European Portuguese dub.
 
{{spoilers}}
[[Image:Sammy Oak.jpg|thumb|right|Sammy Oak]]
He appears as a young boy, '''Sam''' (Japanese: '''ユキナリ''' ''Yukinari'') in the fourth [[Pokémon movie|film]], ''[[Pokémon 4Ever]]''. [[Ash Ketchum]] befriends Professor Oak as Sam, when he is transported by Celebi into the future. The reveleation that Sammy and Oak are one in the same comes in the credits, when [[Tracey Sketchit]] is cleaning out the closet and finds Sam's sketchbook, not knowing anything about Sam. He is impressed by the Professor's skill in art. Also, Professor Oak knew Sam's name even though Ash never told him. As Yukinari he is voiced by 戸田恵子 ''Keiko Toda'', and as Sam he is voiced by [[Tara Jayne]] in the English dub and by [[Rodrigo Andreatto]] in the Brazilian dub. Ironically, in that movie, young Sammy saw numerous [[List of Pokémon by Johto Pokédex number|Johto Pokémon]], notably Celebi and Suicune, although in the Kanto arc, there are only 151 in the Pokédex he invented.

Prof. Oak lives up the road from [[Delia Ketchum|Ash's mother]] and the two often appear together as they are good friends. He currently lives with [[Tracey Sketchit]], who became his loyal assistant in ''[[EP116|The Rivalry Revival]]''. Tracey and Prof. Oak are very passionate about studying [[Pokémon]] and are both artists. He has confidence in his grandson, but more often joins {{Ash}}'s mother and friends in cheering on Ash in his competitions.

Oak is sometimes speculated to be Ash's father, along with [[Giovanni]] and {{an|Silver}}. This has been argued by fans, partly due to the fact that this would also make {{Ash}} {{Gary}}'s uncle.

In the novelizations written by [[Takeshi Shudō]], Professor Oak comes from a prestigious family. He has two brothers, one is the mayor of Pallet Town and the other is the Post Master, and his grandfather was the first trainer from Pallet Town to receive widespread recognition. According to Professor Elm, Professor Oak's studies and research mostly focus on how humans and Pokémon interact with each other.

He is an old friend of many other {{g|professor}}s, including {{prof|Ivy}}, {{prof|Elm}}, {{prof|Birch}} and {{prof|Rowan}}.
===Pokémon===
This listing is of Professor Oak's known Pokémon:
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=200px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:005.png]] {{p|Charmeleon}} (possibly his [[starter Pokémon|starter]])
| align=center | [[Image:149.png]] {{p|Dragonite}}
| align=center | [[Image:016.png]] {{p|Pidgey}}
| align=center | [[Image:119.png]] {{p|Seaking}} (dub only)
|}
* Various Pokémon used on [[Professor Oak's lecture|his lectures]], including {{p|Garchomp}} and {{p|Mismagius}}
{{endspoilers}}
He also has these Pokémon to give to new trainers:
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:001.png]] {{p|Bulbasaur}}
| align=center | [[Image:004.png]] {{p|Charmander}}
| align=center | [[Image:007.png]] {{p|Squirtle}}
|}

====Known Trainers with his starter Pokémon====
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:007.png]] [[Gary's Blastoise|Squirtle]] (to {{Gary}})
| align=center | [[Image:025.png]] {{AP|Pikachu}} (to {{Ash}}: as starter)
| align=center | [[Image:001.png]] {{p|Bulbasaur}} (to {{Ka|Gilbert}})
| align=center | [[Image:007.png]] {{TP|May|Squirtle}} (to {{an|May}}, not as a starter)
|}

==In the games==

{| align=right border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="2"
|- align=center
| [[Image:Y Oak.png]]
| [[Image:OakSprite.png]]
|- align=center style="font-size: 80%;"
| Oak sprite from [[Generation I]]
| Oak sprite from [[Generation III]]
|}
===In Generation I and Generation III===
Professor Oak works in [[Professor Oak's Laboratory|his Laboratory]] in [[Pallet Town]] with his aides. He gave {{ga|Red}}, {{ga|Blue}} and {{ga|Leaf}} their first Starter Pokémon in {{game|Green}}, {{game|Red}}, {{game|Blue}}, {{game|Yellow}}, {{2v2|FireRed|LeafGreen}}. He is an idol to many trainers and researchers, including [[Professor Elm]], and always plays an important supporting role in the many games that he appears in.

He was a childhood friend of [[Agatha]]. They remained good friends (some speculate that they were a couple) and top-class Pokémon Trainers until Oak stopped battling and became interested in Pokémon research. Agatha said that he became soft and started to regard him as a fool. However, Oak still affiliates with the [[Pokémon League]] as an adviser.

In the [[Generation I]] games there is [[Pokémon Red and Green beta|unused]] Trainer data for Prof. Oak. This implies that Oak was originally going to be able to be battled. In the data, Oak has Level 66 {{p|Tauros}}, Level 67 {{p|Exeggutor}}, Level 68 {{p|Arcanine}}, Level 70 {{p|Gyarados}} and one of Kanto [[Starter Pokémon|starters]] at Level 69. This places his strength on-par with the player's rival and the Pokémon League champion. As well, four of his Pokémon are identical to the ones used by the champion, only higher level, so originally Oak may have been intended to be in the game as the champion, or at least another high-ranking trainer. This is supported by an email on the PC in Oak's lab, from the Pokémon League issuing a challenge to all trainers, then specifically requesting Oak come visit them. The only known way to battle Oak is to use a [[cheat]].

====Fame Checker====
This is a list of the [[Fame Checker]]'s information on Professor Oak in {{game|FireRed and LeafGreen|s}}.
;Pallet Town - sign
*What does this person do?
:"<sc>[[Professor Oak's Laboratory|Oak Pokémon Research Lab]]</sc>."
;Pallet Town Research Lab - Prof. Oak
*What is this person like?
:"To make a complete guide on all the <sc>Pok</sc>é<sc>mon</sc> in the world...
:That was my dream!"
;Pallet Town Research Lab - aide
*What is this person like?
:"<sc>Prof. Oak</sc> may not look like much, but he's the authority on <sc>Pok</sc>é<sc>mon</sc>.
:Many <sc>Pok</sc>é<sc>mon trainers</sc> hold him in high regard."
;[[Viridian City]] - [[Pokémon magazines#Pokémon Journal|Pokémon Journal]]
*Family and friends?
:"<sc>Prof. Oak</sc> reportedly lives with his grandchildren, <sc>[[Daisy Oak|Daisy]]</sc> and <sc>{{ga|Blue}}</sc>."
;[[Pokémon League]] - [[Agatha]]
*Family and friends?
:"I hear <sc>Oak</sc>'s taken a lot of interest in you, child.
:That old duff was once tough and handsome.
:But that was decades ago. He's a shadow of his former self."
;Pallet Town Research Lab - aide
*What does this person do?
:"<sc>Prof. Oak</sc> is going to have his own radio show soon.
:The program will be called <sc>Prof. Oak's Pok</sc>é<sc>mon Seminar</sc>."
;Message from <sc>Oak</sc>
*From: <sc>Prof. Oak</sc>
*To: [Player]
:"Why do <sc>Pok</sc>é<sc>mon</sc> compete and battle so hard for you?
:They do so because they can see the love and trust you have towards <sc>Pok</sc>é<sc>mon</sc>.
:Never forget that."
===In Generation II===
Professor Oak was always well-known in [[Kanto]] but in [[Generation II]] he became more of a celebrity. He started to be famous in [[Johto]] because of his Radio Show with [[DJ Mary]]. He was going to turn down the show at first but [[DJ Mary|Mary]]'s energy and persistence wore him down. {{ga|Gold}}/{{ga|Kris}} first met him visiting the home of [[Mr. Pokémon]], another of Oak's childhood friends. Later he grants the young trainer access to [[Mt. Silver]], a place which only finest Pokémon trainers may enter, after the player has earned all the badges in Johto and later Kanto.

Professor Oak has many old friends. One of them is [[Kurt]], a [[Poké Ball]] smith from [[Azalea Town]] and another is [[Professor Elm]] who used to be Oak's assistant.

Professor Oak has gained many fans and admirers. One of them is [[School Kid|Schoolboy]] Chad, who frequently calls the player to share trivia about Oak.
===In Generation IV===
Professor Oak is also a good friend of [[Professor Rowan]]. He visits [[Sinnoh]] often, has a home in [[Eterna City]], introduces trainers to [[Pal Park]], and gives them the [[National Pokédex]]. A letter that he sends to the player in a special event allows the player to find {{p|Shaymin}}.

==In TCG==
He made a cameo in the [[Pokémon Trading Card Game (game)|TCG game]] for [[Game Boy]] on [[Professor Oak (Base Set 88)|his own]] card.
==In sidegames==
Professor Oak also was one of the two human characters appearing in [[Pokémon Snap]]. He was working on a {{OBP|Pokémon Report|Pokémon Snap}} for the Pokémon species of [[Pokémon Island]], and hired [[Todd Snap|Todd]] to take pictures for the report. He provided Todd with the [[ZERO-ONE]] and its [[Dash Engine]] upgrade, [[Pokémon food]], [[Pester Ball]]s, and a [[Poké Flute]]. When Todd took a picture of each of the [[Pokémon Signs]], Professor Oak drew a connection between them and the {{pkmn|constellations}} to determine that {{p|Mew}} must be on [[Rainbow Cloud]].

===Artwork===
<gallery>
Image:Professor_Oak_GenII_Sugimori.png|Oak from [[Generation II]]
</gallery>

==In the Pokémon Special manga==
Although Professor Oak's first mention was in ''[[PS001|A Glimpse of the Glow]]'' in a conversation between {{Special|Red}} and some Pallet Town children, his debut was in ''[[PS002|Bulbasaur, Come Home!]]'', where Red had wandered into [[Professor Oak's Laboratory|his lab]] and was immediately accused of being a thief. In his haste, Red accidentally released all the Pokémon in the lab, including Bulbasaur, causing the two to track them down and re-capture them. After being saved by Red from a {{p|Machoke}} attack in [[Viridian City]], Oak gave Red the Bulbasaur and a Pokédex. The professor also makes appearances in ''[[PS003|The Secret of Kangaskhan]]'' and ''[[PS006|Gyarados Splashes In!]]'', talking about [[Team Rocket]]'s experiments. Oak later appears in Volume 3 to battle {{Special|Blue}} under the alias "Doctor O" and reveals Blue's phobia of Flying-type Pokémon and her theft of Squirtle. However, he shows compassion by giving her the last Pokédex and forfeiting his position in the [[Pokémon League]].

In the GSC Saga, Oak is now known as the leading authority on Pokémon in both [[Kanto]] and [[Johto]] and has developed the three new Pokédexes. The first was stolen by {{Special|Silver}}, the second and third he gave to {{Special|Gold}} and {{Special|Crystal}}. During the battle with the [[Mask of Ice]], he gave out the titles to the six Pokédex holders and {{Special|Yellow}}. At the end, he employed Crystal as his assistant and thanks to her, the Pokédex had been filled and he owned all non-legendary Pokémon for his research.

In the FRLG Saga, Oak was captured by the [[The Three Beasts]] to lure Red, {{Special|Green}} and Blue to the Sevii Islands; but not before he recalled their three Pokédexes. After he was freed at {{ga|Trainer Tower}}, Oak upgraded the Pokédexes to add the National Pokédex capability.

One of Professor Oak's projects was a full analysis of a report holding all information on the last awakening of {{p|Jirachi}}. From this, he worked out that it would appear where the Battle Frontier was being built during its opening week. He immediately contacted [[Scott]] and, while he would not move the opening, Professor Oak managed to convince Scott to allow a Pokédex holder to guard Jirachi. This was {{Special|Emerald}}. However, someone stole the disc with all the data from Professor Oak's lab.
===Pokémon===
He has these Pokémon, or has owned them in the past:
====On hand====
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=600px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:021.png]] → [[Image:022.png]] {{p2|Fearow|Spearow → Fearow}}
| align=center | [[Image:084.png]] {{p|Doduo}}
| align=center | [[Image:018.png]] {{p|Pidgeot}}
| align=center | [[Image:115.png]] ''{{p2|Kangaskhan|Garu-tchi}}''
| align=center | [[Image:234.png]] ''{{p2|Stantler|Odo-tchi}}''
| align=center | [[Image:165.png]] ''{{p2|Ledyba|Redi-tchi}}''
|}

====Given away====
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:113.png]] [[Chansey (Pokémon)|''Lucky-tchi'']] (Given to [[Daisy Oak|Daisy]])
| align=center | [[Image:001.png]] [[Saur]] (Given to {{Special|Red}} in ''[[PS002|Bulbasaur, Come Home!]]'')
| align=center | [[Image:004.png]] {{p|Charmander}} (Given to {{Special|Green}} before ''[[PS001|A Glimpse of the Glow]]'')
| align=center | [[Image:007.png]] {{p|Squirtle}} (Stolen by {{Special|Blue}})
|}

====In the laboratory====
{|border="1" style="border: 1px solid #000; border-collapse: collapse;" width=300px cellspacing="0"
|-
| align=center | [[Image:014.png]] {{p|Kakuna}}
| align=center | [[Image:016.png]] {{p|Pidgey}}
| align=center | [[Image:010.png]] {{p|Caterpie}}
|-
| align=center | [[Image:011.png]] {{p|Metapod}}
| align=center | [[Image:019.png]] {{p|Rattata}}
| align=center | [[Image:072.png]] {{p|Tentacool}}
|-
| align=center | [[Image:060.png]] {{p|Poliwag}}
| align=center | [[Image:013.png]] {{p|Weedle}}
| align=center | [[Image:052.png]] {{p|Meowth}}
|}

==In the TCG==
{{TCG ID|Base Set|Professor Oak|88}} appears on a self-named card in the [[TCG]] which when played allows the player to discard their hand and draw seven cards. This card appears in the {{TCG|Base Set}}.

He is also on the card {{TCG ID|Expedition|Professor Oak's Research|149}} (shortened to Prof. Oak's Research in {{TCG|EX FireRed & LeafGreen}}), which lets the player shuffle their hand into their deck and draw five cards. This card appears in the {{TCG|Expedition Base Set}}, the {{TCG|EX FireRed & LeafGreen}} set, and the {{TCG|EX Dragon Frontiers}} set.

He is also on the card {{TCG ID|Secret Wonders|Professor Oak's Visit|122}} in the {{TCG|Secret Wonders}} set.

In addition, there is an [[Impostor Professor Oak (Base Set 73)|impostor version]] which requires the opponent to shuffle their hand into his deck and draw seven cards, which also appears on a card called "{{TCG ID|Team Rocket|Impostor Oak's Revenge|76}}" in the {{TCG|Team Rocket}} set, a card which makes one's opponent do the same with only drawing four cards, but requires one of the player's own cards to be discarded, and on a card called "{{TCG ID|Neo Destiny|Impostor Professor Oak's Invention|94}}", which allowed the player to look at the opponent's Prize cards and choose whether to let the opponent keep them or set out new ones.

==Other appearances==
===[[Super Smash Bros. Melee]]===
Professor Oak appears as a random trophy wearing his regular clothing from the anime.
====Trophy information====
The leading expert on the study of Pokémon. It seems there are always new and mysterious species of Pokémon being brought to light, and Professor Oak is at the heart of it all with his insightful research. The Pokédex is one of his inventions: new trainers receive one, and a Pokémon to boot, when they start out.

==Trivia==
*Professor Oak is the only Pokémon Professor to have appeared in all Generations (from [[Generation I]] through [[Generation IV]]), appearing in Generation I and Generation III as the regional professor and making occasional appearances in Generation II and Generation IV.
*Professor Oak is the only Professor that has been shown to catch a Pokémon in the games, catching {{p|Pikachu}} for the protagonist of {{game|Yellow}}.

==Names==
{|{{bluetable|background: white; width: 100%}}
|-style="background: #ccf;"
!Language
!Name
!Reference to
|-
|Japanese
|オーキドユキナリ博士 ''Dr. Yukinari Ōkido''
|大木戸 ''Ōkido'' is a Japanese family name and placename. Literally, big-tree family.
|-
|English
|Professor Samuel (Sammy) Oak
|[[wp:Oak|Oak]] tree, perhaps derived from Japanese ''Ōkido''.
|-
|French
|Professeur Chen
|Chêne means Oak in French.
|-
|German
|Professor Eich
|Eiche means Oak in German.
|-
|Brazilian Portuguese
|Professor Samuel (Sam) Carvalho
|Carvalho means Oak in Portuguese.
|-
|Korean
|오용호 박사 ''Dr. O Yongho''
|오 (伍) ''O'' is a [[wp:List of Korean family names|Korean family name]], probably choosen because of its similarity to the first syllable in Ōkido.
|-
|Chinese
|大木博士 ''Dr. Dàmù'' 雪成・大木 ''Xuěchéng Dàmù'' (full name)
|大木 is from 大木 ''Ōki'' 雪成 is from Japanese 雪成り ''yuki nari'', "to become snow".
|}

==External links==
*[http://pokeani.com/chara/r-okido.html Ōkido's Profile] on [[Pokeani]] (Japanese)

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[[de:Professor Eich]]
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== Rotom ==

The stuff u r putting is better suited for a Userspace subpage--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC]

please let it be on there---[[User:ArceusEX]]

No! It takes up too much. Take TTEchidna for example--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then where can i put it---[[User:ArceusEX]]

I told U Then go here [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]]. Start ur page there--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you.Will you sign it [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]] please ---[[User:ArceusEX]]

thank you.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 19:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[[User:ArceusEX]]

==Talk Page Comments==
Please don't erase talk page comments for no reason. Trust me, you do NOT want to end up like {{u|Big Johnno}}, who got into an edit war with [[User:Fabu-Vinny|a sysop]] over comments the former had erased and was trying to keep erased. That user ended up blocked and subsequently had every erased comment restored. The comment you erased is {{u|Shiningpikablu252}}'s comment [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status|here]]. --[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then do comments on the comment section.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]][User:ArceusEX]]
:...Hell, don't edit other's comments either. It's basically the same as erasing them, as both remove the original user's intention when posting their comment. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 05:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Signing ==

Hey, sign your name with four tides: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. That's the proper way.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Please ==

Slow down on editing the <code>User:</code> namespace. Editing your userpage too much will lead to it being locked again. Instead of making multiple small edits, why not instead use the preview button (Alt + Shift + P) to check your edits before saving the page? Thank you. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Why have you gotten this? The limit of editing userpages and subpages is 3 a day, and you have surpassed that limit. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Page Recreation ==

Please don't go recreating pages that were deleted as being outright pointless. You don't need to create polls for absoultely everything, and asking people whether a new type should be created for Arceus is a stupid question. I do not want to see the page "User:ArceusEX/Arceus's Status" in blue again, or else you'll be on the outside looking in quite fast. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tone of Voice ==

It's never a good idea to tell a sysop to "shut up", be it once or repeatedly, nor is it a good idea to change your userpage to be primarily hate messages targeted at a sysop. Such behavior leads to a block every time. Please learn to control your temper and learn to say stuff in a positive fashion, lest you want to find yourself on the outside looking in forever...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hate Messages lead to Hate Pages, Hate Projects, Love, Lust, Loss, Anger, and then the DArkside.Dont do it.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]

== HEY! ==

WTF is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:ArceusEX/Rotom%27s_Status&diff=next&oldid=522802 this??!!!!] - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] ([[User talk:Pokemaniac102|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:He's Banned.And he just made the assumption from the Rotom talk page--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]

oh why are you banned. i was your friend- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Timer|Timer]] ([[User talk:Timer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Timer|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

== <code>Excuse me</code> ==

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|-
| style="padding: 0.5em;" | [[Image:GoldenSlowpoke.png]]
| {{color|986F0A|'''The Golden Slowpoke Award'''}}

'''Congratulations!''' For making some of the '''''best''''' contributions to [[Bulbapedia|{{color|000|Bulbapedia}}]] you have been awarded the [[Bulbapedia:Golden Slowpoke Award|{{color|000|Golden Slowpoke Award}}]] for {{#time: F, Y|-1 month}} by [[User:BulbaBot|{{color|000|BulbaBot}}]]!

[[Slowpoke (Pokémon)|{{color|000|Slowpoke}}]], the [[species|{{color|000|Dopey Pokémon}}]], are known for being slow, and having an extremely dim intellect.

----

Please be aware that this award is a joke and in no way reflects your ''actual'' mental capacity, but try and make better contributions in the future.
|}
<code>[[User:BulbaBot|Bulba]][[User talk:BulbaBot|Bot]] 06:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)</code>
: it. I wanted that award![[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Just go and try to create the needed pages if you really want that award.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 11:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

yay a award- ''unsigned comment from [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] ([[User talk:ArceusEX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ArceusEX|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:...You do realize that the {{bp|Golden Slowpoke Award}} is a ''bad'' thing, right?--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 20:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== go to here ==

when im in trouble tell me here - ''unsigned comment from [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] ([[User talk:ArceusEX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ArceusEX|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Your talk page is where people will talk to you. You have no reason to make subpages for such trivial things. Also, there is no need to make announcements such as that on your talk page. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Please==
Slow down on editing the <code>User:</code> namespace. There are only three userspace edits allowed per day, and you have gone over the limit. Editing your userpage too much will lead to it being locked again. Instead of making multiple small edits, why not instead use the preview button (Alt + Shift + P) to check your edits before saving the page? Thank you. ----The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 21:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

:yes 3 people said that [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

::Well, just make sure to only make 3 edits per day. Also, indent your comments, please. [[Santa Claus|♥]][[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]] ([[wp:Christmas|Merry Christmas!]]) 21:15 12/16/2008

:okay [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:19, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-12-16T21:14:11Z

ArceusEX: /* Please */

==Welcome==
Welcome to [[Bulbapedia]], ArceusEX!

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Thank you, and have a good time editing here! --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you---{{u|ArceusEX}}

== Rotom ==

The stuff u r putting is better suited for a Userspace subpage--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC]

please let it be on there---[[User:ArceusEX]]

No! It takes up too much. Take TTEchidna for example--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then where can i put it---[[User:ArceusEX]]

I told U Then go here [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]]. Start ur page there--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you.Will you sign it [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]] please ---[[User:ArceusEX]]

thank you.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 19:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[[User:ArceusEX]]

==Talk Page Comments==
Please don't erase talk page comments for no reason. Trust me, you do NOT want to end up like {{u|Big Johnno}}, who got into an edit war with [[User:Fabu-Vinny|a sysop]] over comments the former had erased and was trying to keep erased. That user ended up blocked and subsequently had every erased comment restored. The comment you erased is {{u|Shiningpikablu252}}'s comment [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status|here]]. --[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then do comments on the comment section.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]][User:ArceusEX]]
:...Hell, don't edit other's comments either. It's basically the same as erasing them, as both remove the original user's intention when posting their comment. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 05:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Signing ==

Hey, sign your name with four tides: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. That's the proper way.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Please ==

Slow down on editing the <code>User:</code> namespace. Editing your userpage too much will lead to it being locked again. Instead of making multiple small edits, why not instead use the preview button (Alt + Shift + P) to check your edits before saving the page? Thank you. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Why have you gotten this? The limit of editing userpages and subpages is 3 a day, and you have surpassed that limit. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Page Recreation ==

Please don't go recreating pages that were deleted as being outright pointless. You don't need to create polls for absoultely everything, and asking people whether a new type should be created for Arceus is a stupid question. I do not want to see the page "User:ArceusEX/Arceus's Status" in blue again, or else you'll be on the outside looking in quite fast. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tone of Voice ==

It's never a good idea to tell a sysop to "shut up", be it once or repeatedly, nor is it a good idea to change your userpage to be primarily hate messages targeted at a sysop. Such behavior leads to a block every time. Please learn to control your temper and learn to say stuff in a positive fashion, lest you want to find yourself on the outside looking in forever...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hate Messages lead to Hate Pages, Hate Projects, Love, Lust, Loss, Anger, and then the DArkside.Dont do it.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]

== HEY! ==

WTF is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:ArceusEX/Rotom%27s_Status&diff=next&oldid=522802 this??!!!!] - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] ([[User talk:Pokemaniac102|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:He's Banned.And he just made the assumption from the Rotom talk page--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]

oh why are you banned. i was your friend- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Timer|Timer]] ([[User talk:Timer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Timer|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

== <code>Excuse me</code> ==

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|-
| style="padding: 0.5em;" | [[Image:GoldenSlowpoke.png]]
| {{color|986F0A|'''The Golden Slowpoke Award'''}}

'''Congratulations!''' For making some of the '''''best''''' contributions to [[Bulbapedia|{{color|000|Bulbapedia}}]] you have been awarded the [[Bulbapedia:Golden Slowpoke Award|{{color|000|Golden Slowpoke Award}}]] for {{#time: F, Y|-1 month}} by [[User:BulbaBot|{{color|000|BulbaBot}}]]!

[[Slowpoke (Pokémon)|{{color|000|Slowpoke}}]], the [[species|{{color|000|Dopey Pokémon}}]], are known for being slow, and having an extremely dim intellect.

----

Please be aware that this award is a joke and in no way reflects your ''actual'' mental capacity, but try and make better contributions in the future.
|}
<code>[[User:BulbaBot|Bulba]][[User talk:BulbaBot|Bot]] 06:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)</code>
: it. I wanted that award![[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Just go and try to create the needed pages if you really want that award.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 11:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

yay a award- ''unsigned comment from [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] ([[User talk:ArceusEX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ArceusEX|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:...You do realize that the {{bp|Golden Slowpoke Award}} is a ''bad'' thing, right?--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 20:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== go to here ==

when im in trouble tell me here - ''unsigned comment from [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] ([[User talk:ArceusEX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ArceusEX|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Your talk page is where people will talk to you. You have no reason to make subpages for such trivial things. Also, there is no need to make announcements such as that on your talk page. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

==Please==
Slow down on editing the <code>User:</code> namespace. There are only three userspace edits allowed per day, and you have gone over the limit. Editing your userpage too much will lead to it being locked again. Instead of making multiple small edits, why not instead use the preview button (Alt + Shift + P) to check your edits before saving the page? Thank you. ----The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 21:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

yes 3 people said that [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:14, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

User:ArceusEX

2008-12-16T21:11:39Z

ArceusEX:

User:ArceusEX

2008-12-16T21:06:52Z

ArceusEX:

User talk:Chocolate/Archive 6

2008-12-16T21:03:50Z

ArceusEX: /* Pardon me... */

{{/Box}}

If there's even '''one''' more time that I have to archive this less than a month after archiving it before, I'll change the size limit to 100KB, but please don't full this up too quickly again. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 23:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Just telling you ==

Oakleaf knight was another account of mine. Rather than have it in the page wanted list im replacign it with my real username--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:Oh, okay. I'll revert my changes. [[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 03:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
::Im just trying to kill the beast before it strikes again....i wonder if i remember the {{tt|password|jk}}--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

== Images ==

gifs should be the only one to get the bad image; jpg.s are still not the best to use, but they are good enough not to be considered bad, and png.s are the best. Only put the bad image template for gifs, please. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 21:02, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
:Also, in order to make life easier, we have decided that episode head images should be png.s (lowercase, that is) and should have the epicode as their name, like what I did for EP091's image you uploaded. Remember this for the future, and hopefully we can get them all switched out soon. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 00:00, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::Okay, I'll make sure to name them like that from now on. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 00:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
:::We want to make it so that the image is in the templte, so we won't have to worry about people changing it as often, or how to name them. This should also make sure no one names them with the weird characters that cause the image not to show up. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 00:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

== See ya ==

Goodbye!--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 21:34, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

:Guess I'll say goodbye too, regardless of how little time I've been here. Bye! UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 21:50, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks, guys. I hope to keep in touch with you two. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 21:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

:::Well, I can't believe this. Definitely a WTF situation. Goodbye (somewhat) Lil Alex the Chocolate Baby G Rapper...Yahoo!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:02, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Goodbye, but why are you leaving?[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

:::::And I quote the top of this page: "I have almost completely lost interest in Pokémon, and I need to stop myself. I fear that if I stay here at Bulbapedia any longer, I may completely start hating Pokémon, and if I do that, well...I just can't say it." That's why he's leaving--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:08, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::: I read that...but that doesnt seem like a reason for someone to pack up and go.....oh well. i get it. Zaijian komrade, and all the harassment from Me was in good humor, dont take it personally.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:::::::I didn't think that you "harassed" me at all, DCM. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 23:16, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

::::::::Actually, u and I used to fight all the time about image quality, and now we're good friends. Funny, isn't it? Now if only Jmath and I could be like that...--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:20, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

::::::::Then it didnt work. Best of luck on your further ventures. My AIM name is Karnage94 if you feel like adding it, though im usually invisible.[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

Kuki: Yeah, I remember how much we used to fight with each other. We've certainly changed a lot. DCM: 'Kay, I'll definitely keep in touch with you. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 23:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

:If you like to be in touch with me, you may add my MSN address if you use a compatible software. It's (surprise surprise) ultimate dot sephiroth at hotmail dot com. UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 23:29, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
::'Kay, I sent you an e-mail. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 23:57, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
:::And if you want to keep in touch with me, I'm kkllnn1024@gmail.com.--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 22:22, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

==Dude==
Read his argument. " A little Too strict" Isnt that what we want in an admin? And hes only saying that because she warned him about editing[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
:Even so, removing votes isn't allowed, even if you disagree with someone's reasoning. I also disagree with that person's reasoning, but votes stay unless permission is given to remove them. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 18:53, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

== Retired? ==

You don't seem retired. Are you still planning on leaving? [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 18:59, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
:I originally retired a few days ago because I was losing interest in [[Pokémon]], but {{u|Politoed666}} convinced me to like it again. I just haven't taken down the retired notice yet. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 19:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
::Awesome! I'm glad you like [[Pokémon]] again, and welcome back! [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 19:04, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Thanks. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 19:04, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Now that's excellent! Welcome back! UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 19:06, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::{{tt|Noooooo, you're back!!|Just kidding. Welcome back!}} [[User:Jmath|'''Jm''']][[User talk:Jmath|'''a''']][[Special:Contributions/Jmath|'''th''']] 19:13, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::Thanks, guys! [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 19:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Congratualtisonsnsonoonsionsonsions! Welcome back my good man! Only downside is now i cant edit everything and get away with it...... WELCOME BACK! WOOOOOOO!!![[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

Welcome back. U r like my 7th grade scince teacher, who retired after last year, and then I found her roaming the HS's hallways. Go figure--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 19:57, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
:Yay, you're back!--The [[Blastoise (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Gary's Blastoise|ll]][[Blastoise (TCG)|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 20:11, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
::What is this, like the third time you have left, only to come back within hours? Anyway, Kuki, what is this teacher's name? ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:14, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

:::Mrs. Teoh--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:15, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
::::Oh, thank God. That has happened so many times in my school, and for a second there, I thought we might know each other in real life. Turns out, no. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:19, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

:::::I don't know any Nates in my school, unless u count Nate Radley from Harper Lee's To Kill A Mockingbird, or Nathan the hot dog man--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:22, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::That wuold be creeepy. Speaking of creepy, if only we could get another user to retire.........a boy can dream, cant he?[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Shut the **** up]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]

::::::HEY! Totally not nice--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:26, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

::::::DCM, are you talking about me??? What have I done??? --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:::::::You've been a complete jackass to multiple people here. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:35, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

No i havent. Youve been miserable all the way, arent there some TCG articles that you need to edit, or have they finally run out. You abuse your powers to bully people. I asked DCM a simple question, and you not only got yourself involved, but came in with an insult, what kind of an admin is that?--[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:People sometimes get frustrated at certain things. He wasn't trying to insult you, he's probably just frustrated about something right now. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 20:43, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
::Thank you, but, you have not been a help at all, Max. You only had roughly 16 edits within months, and have had 8 talk warnings, and then yelled at us when we told you to do something productive. You haven't been a good user, and I'm hoping that, by being a little strict, I can get you to either shape up, or ship out. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 20:51, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Can i please just ask a question, its not defiance, just a question, where does it say I have to make a certain number of edits, i joined here voluntary, to make voluntary contributions to a project which helped me out, i thought ok, i could help put a bit in, but people are expecting me to be a frequent contributor and frequently make 100's of edits. Well im not, im here voluntary to put in what I can, im not employed to do so many a month, I do it voluntary, yes it maybe only 16 a month and other users do 1000s but its voluntary, i dont exactly get anything in return, I contribute out of thanks and kindness, I shouldnt have to meet a quota. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:16 edits would be good, if you didn't do anything else ever. But, you always heavily abuse the talk spaces, and that is the problem. They need to be significantly less than your mainspace, which would mean about 3 talk for every 15 main. You have gone way over that limit multiple times. Just talk less, and everyone will be much happier. Remember this, replying to this message will be continuing a talk abuse streak, and you don't really want that. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 21:04, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
::Hey, calm down, people! Talking like that to another is certainly not nice and it goes heavily offtopic here... :/ UltimateSephiroth ([[User:UltimateSephiroth|user]] · [[User talk:UltimateSephiroth|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/UltimateSephiroth|contrib]]) 21:08, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

== Thank you ==

Thank you for telling me that I was editing too much my page.
I will pay more attention in future!
p.s. I didn't see the [alt-shift-p] options! I'm really a n00b!
Really thank you! [[user:Toto94|Toto94]] 17.14, 27 November 2008
:You're welcome. Just remember that the maximum is 3 edits per day, and you'll be fine. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 16:15, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== Assignment ==

Find a new picture of [[Max]] for his page--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 17:55, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
:He's fine as it is. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 07:25, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I dont want a new picture, Im happy with my own one, its a Gary Sprite recoloured. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

Not u! The character! That' why I linked it to the character and not u!--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 23:18, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

oh ok then [[Scott]] LOL --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]

== Dude ==

Leave it for an admin to decide. Leave it until a policy is written on it. Please, just leave it alone for a sec.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 22:13, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:But making it possible to change what it says is consistent with the other warning templates. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 22:14, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::But there isnt a policy! You can't threaten blockage when there is nowhere they can look to know. If they continue to do it then they are a vandal. Easy as that. It doesn't need to be consistant.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 22:16, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Fine! But in case you didn't notice, you messed up the category by making it so that the category will be included on someone's talk page when they're warned. Next time, actually '''take the time''' to look at '''all''' of your edit. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 22:18, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
::::Okay. This is too much drama. I can't take it anymore. Do whatever you want with the template. I'm done.--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 22:19, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
:::::You're done? With what? [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 22:20, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

== dub titles ==

arriving does have a sort of link with a path. --[[User:Guardian|Guardian]][[Special:Contributions/Guardian| of]][[User talk:Guardian| Earth]] |[[GSDS|SGMS 2010]]
:True. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 16:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== Stretchies? ==

Those "stretchis" are fine. According to the EB (as Kuki says P6 told him) there are supposed to be <nowiki> </nowiki> over there.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 16:39, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

:But stretching the table is bad! [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 16:40, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
::Alex, I checked...EVERY other character page with the same situation HAS a <nowiki> </nowiki> in it.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 16:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

:::Then, I'm definitely gonna discuss getting the style changed. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 16:47, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
::::You should change them back THEN discuss.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 16:57, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::Look at {{An|Monica}}. The names are un-evenly lined up. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 16:58, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::then fix it.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 17:05, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::::But the only way to do that is to remove the <nowiki> </nowiki>s. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 17:06, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>headdesk* Why does it matter?--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 17:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

{{Indent}} Because not lining them up evenly = not being consistent. [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 17:08, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
:And having the <nowiki> </nowiki> is consistant!--[[User:RexRacer|'''Rex]][[Quilava (Pokémon)|Racer''']] [[User talk:RexRacer|'''''-talk''''']] 17:10, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

::But it looks '''HORRIBLE'''! Sometimes I '''REALLY HATE''' this site! [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 17:11, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

:::It does look horrible. I give permission to remove the breaks. ''[[User:Maverick Nate|'''Maverick''']][[User talk:Maverick Nate|'''Nate''']]'' 17:56, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

::::Are we talking about the situation of multiple single Pokémon having their names out of line with other ones? Because I just tweaked {{an|Monica}}'s page, if you add <nowiki> </nowiki> to the ones that don't have multiples, it lines them up with the others. Perhaps that would work out better? (so the tables don't need to be stretched, but it still lines 'em up.) --[[user:Jioruji_Derako| '''J'''ïörüjï '''Ð'''ērākō.'''>''']][[user talk:Jioruji Derako|''.cнаt'''''^''']] 20:32, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

:::::Okay, that's perfect! [[User:Chocolate|Chocolate]][[User talk:Chocolate|((Talk to Me]][[Special:Contributions/Chocolate||Look at My Contributions))]] 22:09, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yes, I was going to say the same thing, but I had to go.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 02:32, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

== Pardon me... ==

The image of Mamoswine you replaced is quite good. When the HQ version was out I was going to replace it with that. Is it out? -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 21:34, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

== ? ==

your telling me not to erase my talk page comments. but that welcome thing is missing
[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 21:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-12-16T20:55:22Z

ArceusEX: /* go to here = */

==Welcome==
Welcome to [[Bulbapedia]], ArceusEX!

As a new user, you may wish to learn a few things that will be useful in your editing:
*For a basic overview of wiki code, see [[Help:Editing|this page]].
*Read over the {{bp|style primer}} before making your edits. It is a basic outline of Bulbapedia style. For a more in-depth set of rules, see the {{bp|manual of style}}.
*Keep an eye on the {{bp|Messages from the Editor}} on the main page, to stay informed on current events on Bulbapedia.
*The word [[Pokémon]] is spelled with a capital '''P''' and an accented '''é'''. The é can be accessed by holding Alt and typing either '''130''' or '''0233''' on a Windows computer, and by using Option + e, then e again on a Mac. Otherwise, you can easily click it in the character palette below the editbox.
*The word [[Poké Ball]] is spelled as two words. The "Poké" part is identical to the four beginning letters in "Pokémon"; "Ball" is spelled with a capital '''B'''. The spelling "Pokéball" arises frequently, but is incorrect.
*The word "you" and all forms of it should not be used on encyclopedic pages unless it is a quote from Pokémon or other media. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, not a walkthrough.
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*For a future capture, release, trade, or evolution of a Pokémon belonging to a main character of the {{pkmn|anime}}, please do not create or move the page to reflect your suspicions, even if they are shared by many others. Policy here is to wait until the episode in which the event happens takes place is aired, unless there is substantial evidence for the suspicion (such as [[Brock's Happiny]] being held in his arms).
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*If you want to make a page about a character you made up, please create it at User:ArceusEX/(name), not merely (name). Bulbapedia's main namespace is reserved for ''actual, official Pokémon, items, characters, and locations''. Also, please try to make sure that subpages are not categorized by templates used within.
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*There are certain restrictions on the content and amount of userspace content a user is allowed. For details, see the {{bp|Userspace policy}}
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Thank you, and have a good time editing here! --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you---{{u|ArceusEX}}

== Rotom ==

The stuff u r putting is better suited for a Userspace subpage--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC]

please let it be on there---[[User:ArceusEX]]

No! It takes up too much. Take TTEchidna for example--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then where can i put it---[[User:ArceusEX]]

I told U Then go here [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]]. Start ur page there--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you.Will you sign it [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]] please ---[[User:ArceusEX]]

thank you.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 19:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[[User:ArceusEX]]

==Talk Page Comments==
Please don't erase talk page comments for no reason. Trust me, you do NOT want to end up like {{u|Big Johnno}}, who got into an edit war with [[User:Fabu-Vinny|a sysop]] over comments the former had erased and was trying to keep erased. That user ended up blocked and subsequently had every erased comment restored. The comment you erased is {{u|Shiningpikablu252}}'s comment [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status|here]]. --[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then do comments on the comment section.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]][User:ArceusEX]]
:...Hell, don't edit other's comments either. It's basically the same as erasing them, as both remove the original user's intention when posting their comment. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 05:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Signing ==

Hey, sign your name with four tides: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. That's the proper way.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Please ==

Slow down on editing the <code>User:</code> namespace. Editing your userpage too much will lead to it being locked again. Instead of making multiple small edits, why not instead use the preview button (Alt + Shift + P) to check your edits before saving the page? Thank you. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Why have you gotten this? The limit of editing userpages and subpages is 3 a day, and you have surpassed that limit. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Page Recreation ==

Please don't go recreating pages that were deleted as being outright pointless. You don't need to create polls for absoultely everything, and asking people whether a new type should be created for Arceus is a stupid question. I do not want to see the page "User:ArceusEX/Arceus's Status" in blue again, or else you'll be on the outside looking in quite fast. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tone of Voice ==

It's never a good idea to tell a sysop to "shut up", be it once or repeatedly, nor is it a good idea to change your userpage to be primarily hate messages targeted at a sysop. Such behavior leads to a block every time. Please learn to control your temper and learn to say stuff in a positive fashion, lest you want to find yourself on the outside looking in forever...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hate Messages lead to Hate Pages, Hate Projects, Love, Lust, Loss, Anger, and then the DArkside.Dont do it.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]

== HEY! ==

WTF is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:ArceusEX/Rotom%27s_Status&diff=next&oldid=522802 this??!!!!] - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] ([[User talk:Pokemaniac102|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:He's Banned.And he just made the assumption from the Rotom talk page--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]

oh why are you banned. i was your friend- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Timer|Timer]] ([[User talk:Timer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Timer|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

== <code>Excuse me</code> ==

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|-
| style="padding: 0.5em;" | [[Image:GoldenSlowpoke.png]]
| {{color|986F0A|'''The Golden Slowpoke Award'''}}

'''Congratulations!''' For making some of the '''''best''''' contributions to [[Bulbapedia|{{color|000|Bulbapedia}}]] you have been awarded the [[Bulbapedia:Golden Slowpoke Award|{{color|000|Golden Slowpoke Award}}]] for {{#time: F, Y|-1 month}} by [[User:BulbaBot|{{color|000|BulbaBot}}]]!

[[Slowpoke (Pokémon)|{{color|000|Slowpoke}}]], the [[species|{{color|000|Dopey Pokémon}}]], are known for being slow, and having an extremely dim intellect.

----

Please be aware that this award is a joke and in no way reflects your ''actual'' mental capacity, but try and make better contributions in the future.
|}
<code>[[User:BulbaBot|Bulba]][[User talk:BulbaBot|Bot]] 06:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)</code>
: it. I wanted that award![[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Just go and try to create the needed pages if you really want that award.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 11:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

yay a award- ''unsigned comment from [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] ([[User talk:ArceusEX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ArceusEX|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:...You do realize that the {{bp|Golden Slowpoke Award}} is a ''bad'' thing, right?--The [[Delibird (Pokémon)|Kk]][[Stantler (Pokémon)|ll]][[Santa Claus|nn]][[User:Kkllnn|ator]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| サンタクロース]] 20:53, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

= go to here ==

when im in trouble tell me here small>- ''unsigned comment from [[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] ([[User talk:ArceusEX|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/ArceusEX|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:Your talk page is where people will talk to you. You have no reason to make subpages for such trivial things. Also, there is no need to make announcements such as that on your talk page. -[[User:Sketch|Sketch]] 20:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-12-16T20:50:12Z

ArceusEX: /* go to here = */

==Welcome==
Welcome to [[Bulbapedia]], ArceusEX!

As a new user, you may wish to learn a few things that will be useful in your editing:
*For a basic overview of wiki code, see [[Help:Editing|this page]].
*Read over the {{bp|style primer}} before making your edits. It is a basic outline of Bulbapedia style. For a more in-depth set of rules, see the {{bp|manual of style}}.
*Keep an eye on the {{bp|Messages from the Editor}} on the main page, to stay informed on current events on Bulbapedia.
*The word [[Pokémon]] is spelled with a capital '''P''' and an accented '''é'''. The é can be accessed by holding Alt and typing either '''130''' or '''0233''' on a Windows computer, and by using Option + e, then e again on a Mac. Otherwise, you can easily click it in the character palette below the editbox.
*The word [[Poké Ball]] is spelled as two words. The "Poké" part is identical to the four beginning letters in "Pokémon"; "Ball" is spelled with a capital '''B'''. The spelling "Pokéball" arises frequently, but is incorrect.
*The word "you" and all forms of it should not be used on encyclopedic pages unless it is a quote from Pokémon or other media. Bulbapedia is an encyclopedia, not a walkthrough.
*On {{bp|talk page}}s, please {{bp|Signature policy|sign your comments}} with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>).
*The use of {{bp|link templates}} is official policy.
*If you happen to spot a vandal in the [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] that has not been dealt with, please see {{bp|dealing with vandalism|this page}} for how to deal with it.
*A list of pages that are linked to, but have not been created, can be found at [[Special:Wantedpages|this page]]. A list of short articles that may require more information can be found {{cat|stubs|here}}, while a list of articles that need improvement can be found {{cat|articles needing improvement|here}}.
*For a future capture, release, trade, or evolution of a Pokémon belonging to a main character of the {{pkmn|anime}}, please do not create or move the page to reflect your suspicions, even if they are shared by many others. Policy here is to wait until the episode in which the event happens takes place is aired, unless there is substantial evidence for the suspicion (such as [[Brock's Happiny]] being held in his arms).
*Image uploading is done on [[Bulbagarden Archives]], a separate wiki accessible through the toolbox in the sidebar. This is done so that both Bulbapedia and [[Bulbanews]] have access to the images uploaded. To activate your account at the Archives and Bulbanews, please login there using the same username and password you use here on Bulbapedia.
*If you want to make a page about a character you made up, please create it at User:ArceusEX/(name), not merely (name). Bulbapedia's main namespace is reserved for ''actual, official Pokémon, items, characters, and locations''. Also, please try to make sure that subpages are not categorized by templates used within.
*Having said this, please make sure that you do contribute adequately to the main namespace. Bulbapedia is not MySpace or Facebook.
*There are certain restrictions on the content and amount of userspace content a user is allowed. For details, see the {{bp|Userspace policy}}
*Unless prior permission is given, no user is permitted to edit another user's page. Furthermore, edits to other users' pages are permitted only if there are problems that spread to other parts of Bulbapedia, such as broken links that appear on the wanted pages, switching out duplicate images that appear on the Archives, etc.
*Fan fictions, missions, riddles, games, and anything else deemed not suitable for the wiki will not be allowed. If you would like to add something, but do not know if it is acceptable, ask an administrator.
*A list of administrators that you can contact in case of a problem can be found [[Special:Listusers/sysop|here]].

Thank you, and have a good time editing here! --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you---{{u|ArceusEX}}

== Rotom ==

The stuff u r putting is better suited for a Userspace subpage--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC]

please let it be on there---[[User:ArceusEX]]

No! It takes up too much. Take TTEchidna for example--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then where can i put it---[[User:ArceusEX]]

I told U Then go here [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]]. Start ur page there--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you.Will you sign it [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]] please ---[[User:ArceusEX]]

thank you.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 19:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[[User:ArceusEX]]

==Talk Page Comments==
Please don't erase talk page comments for no reason. Trust me, you do NOT want to end up like {{u|Big Johnno}}, who got into an edit war with [[User:Fabu-Vinny|a sysop]] over comments the former had erased and was trying to keep erased. That user ended up blocked and subsequently had every erased comment restored. The comment you erased is {{u|Shiningpikablu252}}'s comment [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status|here]]. --[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then do comments on the comment section.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]][User:ArceusEX]]
:...Hell, don't edit other's comments either. It's basically the same as erasing them, as both remove the original user's intention when posting their comment. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 05:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Signing ==

Hey, sign your name with four tides: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. That's the proper way.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Please ==

Slow down on editing the <code>User:</code> namespace. Editing your userpage too much will lead to it being locked again. Instead of making multiple small edits, why not instead use the preview button (Alt + Shift + P) to check your edits before saving the page? Thank you. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Why have you gotten this? The limit of editing userpages and subpages is 3 a day, and you have surpassed that limit. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Page Recreation ==

Please don't go recreating pages that were deleted as being outright pointless. You don't need to create polls for absoultely everything, and asking people whether a new type should be created for Arceus is a stupid question. I do not want to see the page "User:ArceusEX/Arceus's Status" in blue again, or else you'll be on the outside looking in quite fast. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tone of Voice ==

It's never a good idea to tell a sysop to "shut up", be it once or repeatedly, nor is it a good idea to change your userpage to be primarily hate messages targeted at a sysop. Such behavior leads to a block every time. Please learn to control your temper and learn to say stuff in a positive fashion, lest you want to find yourself on the outside looking in forever...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hate Messages lead to Hate Pages, Hate Projects, Love, Lust, Loss, Anger, and then the DArkside.Dont do it.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]

== HEY! ==

WTF is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:ArceusEX/Rotom%27s_Status&diff=next&oldid=522802 this??!!!!] - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] ([[User talk:Pokemaniac102|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:He's Banned.And he just made the assumption from the Rotom talk page--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]

oh why are you banned. i was your friend- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Timer|Timer]] ([[User talk:Timer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Timer|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

== <code>Excuse me</code> ==

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|-
| style="padding: 0.5em;" | [[Image:GoldenSlowpoke.png]]
| {{color|986F0A|'''The Golden Slowpoke Award'''}}

'''Congratulations!''' For making some of the '''''best''''' contributions to [[Bulbapedia|{{color|000|Bulbapedia}}]] you have been awarded the [[Bulbapedia:Golden Slowpoke Award|{{color|000|Golden Slowpoke Award}}]] for {{#time: F, Y|-1 month}} by [[User:BulbaBot|{{color|000|BulbaBot}}]]!

[[Slowpoke (Pokémon)|{{color|000|Slowpoke}}]], the [[species|{{color|000|Dopey Pokémon}}]], are known for being slow, and having an extremely dim intellect.

----

Please be aware that this award is a joke and in no way reflects your ''actual'' mental capacity, but try and make better contributions in the future.
|}
<code>[[User:BulbaBot|Bulba]][[User talk:BulbaBot|Bot]] 06:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)</code>
: it. I wanted that award![[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Just go and try to create the needed pages if you really want that award.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 11:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

yay a award

= go to here ==

when im in trouble tell me here [[ArceusEX/trouble]]

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-12-16T20:49:46Z

ArceusEX: /* Excuse me */

==Welcome==
Welcome to [[Bulbapedia]], ArceusEX!

As a new user, you may wish to learn a few things that will be useful in your editing:
*For a basic overview of wiki code, see [[Help:Editing|this page]].
*Read over the {{bp|style primer}} before making your edits. It is a basic outline of Bulbapedia style. For a more in-depth set of rules, see the {{bp|manual of style}}.
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*A list of administrators that you can contact in case of a problem can be found [[Special:Listusers/sysop|here]].

Thank you, and have a good time editing here! --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:41, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you---{{u|ArceusEX}}

== Rotom ==

The stuff u r putting is better suited for a Userspace subpage--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC]

please let it be on there---[[User:ArceusEX]]

No! It takes up too much. Take TTEchidna for example--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then where can i put it---[[User:ArceusEX]]

I told U Then go here [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]]. Start ur page there--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you.Will you sign it [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]] please ---[[User:ArceusEX]]

thank you.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 19:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[[User:ArceusEX]]

==Talk Page Comments==
Please don't erase talk page comments for no reason. Trust me, you do NOT want to end up like {{u|Big Johnno}}, who got into an edit war with [[User:Fabu-Vinny|a sysop]] over comments the former had erased and was trying to keep erased. That user ended up blocked and subsequently had every erased comment restored. The comment you erased is {{u|Shiningpikablu252}}'s comment [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status|here]]. --[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then do comments on the comment section.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]][User:ArceusEX]]
:...Hell, don't edit other's comments either. It's basically the same as erasing them, as both remove the original user's intention when posting their comment. '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 05:45, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

== Signing ==

Hey, sign your name with four tides: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. That's the proper way.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Please ==

Slow down on editing the <code>User:</code> namespace. Editing your userpage too much will lead to it being locked again. Instead of making multiple small edits, why not instead use the preview button (Alt + Shift + P) to check your edits before saving the page? Thank you. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Why have you gotten this? The limit of editing userpages and subpages is 3 a day, and you have surpassed that limit. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Page Recreation ==

Please don't go recreating pages that were deleted as being outright pointless. You don't need to create polls for absoultely everything, and asking people whether a new type should be created for Arceus is a stupid question. I do not want to see the page "User:ArceusEX/Arceus's Status" in blue again, or else you'll be on the outside looking in quite fast. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tone of Voice ==

It's never a good idea to tell a sysop to "shut up", be it once or repeatedly, nor is it a good idea to change your userpage to be primarily hate messages targeted at a sysop. Such behavior leads to a block every time. Please learn to control your temper and learn to say stuff in a positive fashion, lest you want to find yourself on the outside looking in forever...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 20:04, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Hate Messages lead to Hate Pages, Hate Projects, Love, Lust, Loss, Anger, and then the DArkside.Dont do it.--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]

== HEY! ==

WTF is [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User:ArceusEX/Rotom%27s_Status&diff=next&oldid=522802 this??!!!!] - ''unsigned comment from [[User:Pokemaniac102|Pokemaniac102]] ([[User talk:Pokemaniac102|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pokemaniac102|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''
:He's Banned.And he just made the assumption from the Rotom talk page--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Nag at Me!]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Edits))]]

oh why are you banned. i was your friend- ''unsigned comment from [[User:Timer|Timer]] ([[User talk:Timer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Timer|contribs]]){{ #if: | {{{2}}} |}}''

== <code>Excuse me</code> ==

{| style="border: 1px solid #{{gold color}}; background-color:#F9CB58;" align="center" width="75%"
|-
| style="padding: 0.5em;" | [[Image:GoldenSlowpoke.png]]
| {{color|986F0A|'''The Golden Slowpoke Award'''}}

'''Congratulations!''' For making some of the '''''best''''' contributions to [[Bulbapedia|{{color|000|Bulbapedia}}]] you have been awarded the [[Bulbapedia:Golden Slowpoke Award|{{color|000|Golden Slowpoke Award}}]] for {{#time: F, Y|-1 month}} by [[User:BulbaBot|{{color|000|BulbaBot}}]]!

[[Slowpoke (Pokémon)|{{color|000|Slowpoke}}]], the [[species|{{color|000|Dopey Pokémon}}]], are known for being slow, and having an extremely dim intellect.

----

Please be aware that this award is a joke and in no way reflects your ''actual'' mental capacity, but try and make better contributions in the future.
|}
<code>[[User:BulbaBot|Bulba]][[User talk:BulbaBot|Bot]] 06:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)</code>
: it. I wanted that award![[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((曲奇饼妖怪]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Spy on My Edits))]]
::Just go and try to create the needed pages if you really want that award.-[[User:Billy4b2004|Billy4b2004]] 11:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

yay a award

= go to here ==

when im in trouble tell me here [[trouble]]

User:ArceusEX

2008-12-16T13:41:07Z

ArceusEX:

i have the golden slowpoke award

{| style="border: 1px solid #{{gold color}}; background-color:#F9CB58;" align="center" width="75%"
|-
| style="padding: 0.5em;" | [[Image:GoldenSlowpoke.png]]
| {{color|986F0A|'''The Golden Slowpoke Award'''}}

'''Congratulations!''' For making some of the '''''best''''' contributions to [[Bulbapedia|{{color|000|Bulbapedia}}]] you have been awarded the [[Bulbapedia:Golden Slowpoke Award|{{color|000|Golden Slowpoke Award}}]] for {{#time: F, Y|-1 month}} by [[User:BulbaBot|{{color|000|BulbaBot}}]]!

[[Slowpoke (Pokémon)|{{color|000|Slowpoke}}]], the [[species|{{color|000|Dopey Pokémon}}]], are known for being slow, and having an extremely dim intellect.

----

Please be aware that this award is a joke and in no way reflects your ''actual'' mental capacity, but try and make better contributions in the future.
|}
<code>[[User:BulbaBot|Bulba]][[User talk:BulbaBot|Bot]] 06:44, 2 December 2008 (UTC)</code>

User:ArceusEX

2008-12-16T13:40:01Z

ArceusEX:

i have the golden slowpoke award

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-12-16T13:39:13Z

ArceusEX: /* Excuse me */

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-10-24T19:58:43Z

ArceusEX:

== Rotom ==

The stuff u r putting is better suited for a Userspace subpage--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC]

please let it be on there---[[User:ArceusEX]]

No! It takes up too much. Take TTEchidna for example--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:32, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then where can i put it---[[User:ArceusEX]]

I told U Then go here [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]]. Start ur page there--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 21:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

thank you.Will you sign it [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]] please ---[[User:ArceusEX]]

thank you.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]] 19:45, 24 October 2008 (UTC)[[User:ArceusEX]]

==Talk Page Comments==
Please don't erase talk page comments for no reason. Trust me, you do NOT want to end up like {{u|Big Johnno}}, who got into an edit war with [[User:Fabu-Vinny|a sysop]] over comments the former had erased and was trying to keep erased. That user ended up blocked and subsequently had every erased comment restored. The comment you erased is {{u|Shiningpikablu252}}'s comment [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status|here]]. --[[user:chocolate|Cho]][[user talk:chocolate|col]][[special:contributions/chocolate|ate]] 21:57, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

then do comments on the comment section.[[User:ArceusEX|ArceusEX]][User:ArceusEX]]

== Signing ==

Hey, sign your name with four tides: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. That's the proper way.--[[Bulbapedia:Project Custom Sprite|☆]][[User:Tavisource|Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 23:59, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

== Please ==

Slow down on editing the <code>User:</code> namespace. Editing your userpage too much will lead to it being locked again. Instead of making multiple small edits, why not instead use the preview button (Alt + Shift + P) to check your edits before saving the page? Thank you. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:51, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Why have you gotten this? The limit of editing userpages and subpages is 3 a day, and you have surpassed that limit. [[User:Gligar|'''Gli''']][[User talk:Gligar|'''ga''']][[Special:Contributions/Gligar|'''r''']] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Page Recreation ==

Please don't go recreating pages that were deleted as being outright pointless. You don't need to create polls for absoultely everything, and asking people whether a new type should be created for Arceus is a stupid question. I do not want to see the page "User:ArceusEX/Arceus's Status" in blue again, or else you'll be on the outside looking in quite fast. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:52, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

shut up

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-10-24T19:58:12Z

ArceusEX: /* Welcome */

User:ArceusEX

2008-10-24T19:57:30Z

ArceusEX:

im a sophomore and pokemon master.And I hate http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/User:Shiningpikablu252 to the fullest. Im also male and have every game exept platinum.

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-10-24T19:56:13Z

ArceusEX: /* Welcome */

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-10-24T19:53:24Z

ArceusEX: /* Welcome */

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-10-24T19:45:37Z

ArceusEX: /* Rotom */

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-10-24T12:45:34Z

ArceusEX: /* Talk Page Comments */

User talk:Pokemaniac102

2008-10-23T21:54:51Z

ArceusEX: /* ... */

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| width="33%" text align="center" style="background: #FFFF00; -moz-border-radius: 1em;" | Welcome to my Talk Page. And I found out about this table thing from Jioruji Derako and used a similar format.
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| style="background: #FFFF00; -moz-border-radius: 1em; padding: .5em 1em;" | <big>'''Notices'''</big> 
''High School...my message on my userpage...''
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| text align="center" style="background: #000000;" | __TOC__
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! Archives
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| text align="center" style="background: #000000; -moz-border-radius: 1em;" |[[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Archive|Archive 1]] 
[[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Archive2|Archive 2]] 

[[User talk:Pokemaniac102/Archive3|Archive 3]]
|}
 

== There ==
Ha! Now I'm first!--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 22:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:No more happy?~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιαχα0β]] 22:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::WOO!New page.First commetn--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]
:::And you spell comment wrong lol.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιαχα0β]] 22:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Please stop crowding my page, there's already enough bytes in my archives~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιαχα0β]] 22:48, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Awww...that's too bad; why would someone byte your page?...was it DCM?--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 22:49, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::....I meant bytes as in data, kilobytes, gigabytes.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιαχα0β]] 22:50, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:I know...But it's just funny how you said you have too many "BYTES" (bites) on your archives.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 22:53, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::I know what you meant, just not that you knew the byte part~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιαχα0β]] 22:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Of course I knew, what do you think I'm stupid?...just kidding, but the evidence that I knew it is right there!...you ask where? Well, I wrote "byte" instead of "bite", which proves that I'm not stupid...but too bad you didn't go along with it.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 22:56, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
::::...~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 23:05, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Bad joke.Congrats--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]
:It wasn't meant to be a joke...I just wanted to know if you were the one who had BYTE his archive pages.--[[User:Tavisource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Tavisource|ource]] 00:00, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

== Sorry ==
10/18... get ready... it's coming
--[[User:Glatra|'''gLa''']][[User talk:Glatra|'''TrA''']][[User:Glatra/Riddles|'''☆''']] 21:56, 2 October 2008 (UTC)DB
:what is?~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 22:38, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
::I'm sorry but I can't tell you--[[User:Glatra|'''gLa''']][[User talk:Glatra|'''TrA''']][[User:Glatra/Riddles|'''☆''']] 01:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== WOOHOO ==

Finally caught up with Pokémon episodes~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 22:41, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Signature ==

How do you create sig then? [[User:Ht14|ht14]] 19:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:Using your preferences.--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 19:38, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:There is at the top-right corner of the page, 6 links, one you your userpage, one to your talk, '''one to your preferences''', and yadayadayada. Click ''my preferences''. There is a box labeled '''Nickname'''. That's where it goes, And dont forget to '''''check''''' the raw signatures box~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 19:38, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
::Still don't quite get it, but I DID check it. (Wow, I feel like a noob...) ht14 19:41, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Wait, would this work? Just need the date... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']]
::::put in 4 tildes (~)~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 19:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Checking the raw signature box allows you to place the HTML coding. Just post whatever coding you're using for that signature onto the box, click raw signature, and then save your preferences.--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 19:45, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Still confused. Added the tildes though... [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] ht14 19:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Never mind. ht14 19:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Please... ==

Stop reverting somebody when they claim their material was used without their permission. Sunain is one of the co-owners of #pocketmonsters, and if she didn't give permission for us to use the lyrics, then we can't. That's what talk pages are for, so revert wars don't happen. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 20:01, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
:The words may have been the same but there was no proof that the person who posted it got it from there. but idk i'm quitting~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 20:03, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
::Don't quit over something as minor as this. Constant reverting is not the right way to go about this. It would have been better if you and Sunain had discussed this either on the article's talk page or on one of your talk pages. Until an agreement is reached, both articles will remain protected. --[[User:PAK Man|PAK Man]] [[User talk:PAK Man|Talk]] 20:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== ... ==

and a good day to you too [[User:Totallynotnova|Totallynotnova]] 01:06, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
...~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 02:29, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

== sign here ==
[[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]] --[User:ArceusEX]]

User talk:ArceusEX

2008-10-23T21:49:51Z

ArceusEX: /* Rotom */

Talk:Rotom (Pokémon)/Archive 1

2008-10-23T21:48:55Z

ArceusEX: /* what more proof do you want that Rotom is legendary */

Shouldn't we classify Rotom as a legendary?
:It can breed. It's about as legendary as HO-HO in GenII. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
::Just because it can breed doesn't mean that it's not Legendary. Manaphy is Legendary, but it can breed. Also, there's obviously some significance to it having to same weight, and being directly before the Lake Trio on the National Dex. --[[User:Vladek|Vladek]]
:::Not really. Snorlax is directly before Articuno, and it's of the same type as Rotom (i.e. rare but not legendary). And Manaphy is just the exception that proves the rule. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 18:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
::::An exception that proves the rule? O_o Last I checked, an exception disproved things. Also, does Snorlax have the same weight as Articuno? Didn't think so. --[[User:Vladek|Vladek]]

Rotom is legendary. Face it...Rotom is legendary...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|♪♪♪]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 07:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I will say that it is a legendary. I want to point out to Optimus35 that {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, {{p|Moltres}}, {{p|Mew}} and ESPECIALLY {{p|Mewtwo}} weren't featured in legends either, and they were still referred to as legendary pokémon, so the "Not appearing in legends" thing doesn't really cut it. By legends, I mean folk tales told by NPCs during the various games (which they [the folk tales, I mean] started in Gen II).

Yeah but phione can breed to get itself so why cant rotom be a legendary? [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 15:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
~~Weedle_McHairybug~~
:The legendary birds had most of their legendary crap in their dex entries. Remember, Gen I was where it was just starting; "legendary" meant little more than "special", one of a kind (or really rare) things. Now of course it means much more, and the birds are in their place with the rest of the trios, with their story kindasorta filled in by the anime. Mew and Mewtwo... well, jeez, who ''didn't'' see MSB? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 00:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Music shouldn't be treated as the primary way of determining Legendary status. Next you'll be telling me Shaymin's not a Legendary. Nintendo accepts the Legendary Pokémon to NOT include Rotom, which should be enough, but if it's not, consider this: Rotom can breed artificially and produce another Rotom indirectly or otherwise. Further, Rotom is not the byproduct itself of a Legendary. A solid definition for a Legendary at this point would include two basic structures: The Pokémon is unable to breed another member of the same evolutionary line artificially, though the offspring is still considered a Legendary due to the Legendary parent. A Legendary Pokémon is accepted as Legendary by Nintendo. Only those and nothing more. That's why Rotom is not a Legendary Pokémon.
:Technically, Legendaries are all in legends, whch is why Manaphy is one. Phione...ask Nintendo. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]11:15 6 Apr 2008'''
::Not Mewtwo. Mewtwo is canonically too new of a Pokémon to feature in legends.

== Coronet? ==

http://images.wikia.com/telefang/images//d/d9/2-061.png
Does this guy look like Rotom or what?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 12:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:Are you going somewhere with this or are you just making a comparison? -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 12:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm basically just making a comparison here. But I would also like to know if Rotom's slight resemblance to a Telefang monster is worthy of being mentioned.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 13:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::This is your opinion that they share a resemblance...someone's opinion is not fact. I don't see this resemblance. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 14:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, both Rotom and Coronet's basic form are floating orbs with a spike on top. But if you don't think that it isn't worth mentioning, then I won't mention it.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 14:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::: Agreeing with Sketchies, we already have enough [[Kirlia|problems]] with [[Snorlax|opinion]] being [[Buizel|treated]] as [[Jirachi|fact]] throughout various Pokémon articles. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 15:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::..for a second I thought you meant that I was the problem there. o_o To be honest, I don't see any particular resemblance bewtween the two. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 15:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:The fact that that thing's name is Coronet is weird enough. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::Because it shares the same name as [[Mt. Coronet|a location in Sinnoh]], or for some other reason?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:I agree that it's probably not worth mentioning, but then I have no ask, should the page say that Rotom resembles [[Castform|Castform]]? I don't see that big of a resemblance there. '''~~[[User:DesuMaiWaifu|De]][[User talk:DesuMaiWaifu|su]]''' 20:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I know this might be the wrong section for this, but: doesn't Castform have FOUR forms (Normal, Rain, Sun, and Hail)? Or is it just talking about forms other than the normal form? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
:Are you asking about the comparison between Castform's forms and Rotom's forms?? If you are, then my answer is that we're not saying the two Pokémon's forms are similar; we're saying that the two normal forms are similar. [[User:bnjelinski|Soon to be Mrs. Shirley]]

== New formes ==

the new formes of pokemon are all rotom! [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 20:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:Thats what i was thinking... [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 20:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::What about the green one? Does that look like Rotom?--[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 20:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Chek ur talkpage Tavi--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::I checked it a long time ago. I think the Onix and Spinda SHOULD NOT be created. First, Onix is just polished and is no different that the other Onix unlike the crystal Onix where it's a different color. Second, Spinda's has many forms in the way their spots are arranged. If many Spinda with different spot arrangements appear in the anime, are we going to make that many alt sprites? The answer is no, so those two shouldn't be made.--[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 20:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::There's a fairly good chance they could be real... but you remember the infamous fake Skyform Shaymin situation... oh lord.
:::I can't even find the image on serebii either. This might be one of those instances where someone uploaded an image online and let it spread. Regardless, all the forms with Pokemon lately is kind of messed up... though this is still the best ever- http://keishinkae.deviantart.com/art/NEW-POKEMON-FORME-REVEALED-94669775 [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 16:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I definitely thought those five new Pokémon couldn't be new because if that were the case, how would players be able to send them to Pokémon Diamond and Pearl. This would mean that there has to be new forms of one Pokémon like Giratina and Shaymin. Also, considering the position of its Pokédex entry #479 just before all of the legendaries and being one of few Pokémon where only one can be caught in the game, it's clear that Rotom is somewhat legendary with the ability to have different forms. Also, don't forget that Rotom's ability Levitate, many Legendaries have that ability (e.g. Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf and the legendary birds even though it's not their actual ability but have immunity to ground type moves). Therefore, the new forms must be of Rotom. I rest my case. [[User:Lanturn|Lanturn]] 13:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

As for the forms, I believe that the red, purple, green and orange silhouettes along with the original form of Rotom are in one group because of their identical hands on their sides (despite the green one looks hard to see). The blue one on the other hand might be another Rotom but is much more powerful with the potential of having the sum of the base stats equal to or greater than 600. The blue one looks larger than the rest (slightly although it could be the purple or the green one instead). I'm suggesting blue because it has two different looking arms (although Deoxys normal form has it too). While saying that, I believe this may be the case where the player must have all five forms of Rotom in their party or seen/caught before having the chance to capture this super Rotom (similar to the Regigigas event and the Ho-oh event in Pokémon Crystal). This is what I strongly believe but share in your opinions about this speculation. I might be completely wrong, but I feel that the evidence does sound very convincing. [[User:Lanturn|Lanturn]] 13:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

the orange one looks like spiritomb tho.....[[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 13:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)Happizelpom

:Until the formes are officially revealed as to who they are, they should not be included on the page. You may speculate as much as you want (there's another topic on the Bulbagarden Fourms for you to do that, not litter up a talk page...) but it is NOT appropriate to have the Rotom page littered with 'some people speculate that the orange outline is a Rotom forme...'. You guys can wait less than 3 weeks until it comes out, and everything gets confirmed. ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 13:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

serebii.net just got the scan of the leaflets included with Pokémon Platinum that display some of the Rotom's formes (the security camera one is nowhere to be seen) besides it's types and attacks they can learn. Shouldn't we add this to this page and in the main page? [[User:Commanderraf|Commanderraf]] 17:12, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Thats what I was thinking I went on serebii and was like OMFG and then went to bulbapedia and alas noting... --[[User:Hey1031|Hey1031]] 20:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, if there are new forms of Rotom... well, put them on the talk page first. The Pokémon Infobox is now a ''very'' sensitive template and cannot be changed without advance knowledge. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
::Images as found in the archives. Sorry for the size. [[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]] 00:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[[Image:Rotomcutform.jpg]][[Image:Rotomfan.jpg]][[Image:Rotomfrostforme.jpg]][[Image:Rotomoven.jpg]][[Image:Rotomwashingmachine.jpg]]
:::Aside from the fridge, those images look like crap. SOMEONE GET BETTER ONES. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:23, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I was right! I was thinking that these pokemon had to do with Rotom... --[[User:AKgirl|AK]][[User talk:AKgirl|girl]] 01:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:The lawnmower form reminds me of Fawful for some reason. That face just seems to be screaming "I HAVE FURY!"--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 02:00, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:Do you maybe think that Rotom has these forms because it's possesing household objects. Conspiracy! *shifty eyes* [[User:Asujoll|Asujoll]] 9:39 11 September 2008
::Rotom's new formes should come with different types... I think the fridge one is Ice/Ghost, the oven is Fire/Ghost, the washing machine is Water/Ghost, the fan is Flying/Ghost and the lawn mower is Grass/Ghost. You can tell because of the moves they learn, acording to Serebii. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Should, but don't. Far as I've heard, the data says it's Electric/Ghost in all... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
'''' The Refridgerator one's official name is "Frost Rotom" and the Fan one is "Cut Rotom". Just FYI --[[User:Serebii|Serebii]] 23:54, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:id love to fix it, but someone locked the page...? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

# (cur) (last) 15:39, 10 September 2008 TTEchidna (Talk | contribs) m (Changed protection level for "Rotom (Pokémon)": Give some time for the Platinum release to cool it... [edit=sysop:move=sysop] (expires 00:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)))

Yeah. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 23:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:K not much to say but the Washer is VILE what the hell is in his hand???!??! Someone is gonna complain about that soon. But no me lol! [[User:Rucario64|Rucario]][[User Talk:Rucario64|64]] 19:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== Rotom names ==

It seems we finally have all 5 Rotom names:

* Refrigerator = '''Frost Rotom'''
* Washing Machine = '''Wash Rotom'''
* Fan = '''Spin Rotom'''
* Lawnmower = '''Cut Rotom'''
* Oven = '''Heat Rotom'''

== Trivia ==

The Frost Rotom is a Refrigerator.
The Wash Rotom is a Washing machine.
The Spin Rotom is a fan.
The cut Rotom is a Lawnmower.
The oven Rotom is a Oven.
So, the Normal Rotom is... a Lamp!

[[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 10:09, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Mmm...I think normal Rotom is just Rotom. It has to have a regular form, doesn't it? Kind of like Ditto and Deoxys have a regular form. [[User:Kochdude388|Kochdude388]] 21:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:Based off of a Poltergeist? [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Rotom is a Lava-lamb! [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 00:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:Lamp. Lava ''lamp''. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 00:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::LOL lamb XD.Do you agree with me?[[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 01:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Platinum? ==

Is Rotom really unobtainable in platinum? Because it says in the in-game locations that it MUST be traded from D/P. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 01:11, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:If it's not obtainable...then I must have caught another Orange ghost when I examined the TV. Rotom is catchable in Platinum. That needs changed. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 01:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:The template just says Trade if not filled in. But yeah, you can get Rotom as soon as it's night after getting the ability to use cut in the field. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 20:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Spinda ==

I know we cant make edits yet, but should Spinda be in the piece of trivia that says that Rotom has the most amout of forme of all none legendaries (Exept Unown)? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 18:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:Spinda doesn't count, very minor difference, just like gender differences. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 21:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Forme... ==
On the page, under evolution, it lists them as "Heat Forme", "Frost Forme", "Cut Forme", etc. No, I'm not questioning the the spelling of forme, but... If I recall, they didn't have Forme in their name. They were just known as "Heat Rotom", "Frost Rotom", "Cut Rotom", etc.
...or do they have Forme? I don't think they do... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 22:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Don't have Forme. I know I put "form" (non-capitalized, no e) before we knew, but now we can change it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::I put "Forme" because in Japanese they use that weird "フォルム" spelling.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No, I don't mean use "Forme" or "Form" or whatever... I'm pretty sure there wasn't anything there to begin with. Just "Cut Rotom". By itself... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 01:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::"フォルム" isn't a transliteration of just "form"? What would that be? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::::"フォーム" is the more orthodox transliteration of "form". "フォルム" doesn't show up in any dictionaries I've looked through at any rate.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::And the same spelling of フォルム/Forme has appeared for Deoxys, Giratina, and Shaymin? Is it how it's displayed in a Japanese DPPt game's Pokédex? Did the translation screw up? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::"フォルム" is used in all the same places as "forme", yeah.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::But is it used in the dex, like for Deoxys in English it says "See another form." on the button at the bottom, and displays "Forms" at the top. Does it use the standard transliteration there or does it use the one that they've officially transliterated as Forme? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:56, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::...No, I mean on the names, there was no Form or Forme there to begin with. No f, o, and r, in that order, appearing anywhere withing the name. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 23:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Well of course, but the current issue is now whether the Japanese DP used "フォルム" or "フォーム", the first translating as "Forme" and the second as "form", in the Pokédex. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Trade ==

What happens when you trade a Rotom in one of it's formes from Platinum to D/P? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 20:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:Reverts to its normal form... pretty obvious... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

== Banned? ==

It is banned from tournaments. Where'd that come from? [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 13:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:I don't really know, although it shouldn't be, as a base stat total of 520 isn't that great. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:it's because it's hard to obtain, by hard i mean it's only availible in one game and some games won't accept it so...[[User:Luckario|Luckario]] 22:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::Battles between Platinum with Origin Forme Giratina and Pearl with Another Forme one are still possible. Same with Shaymin and why not Rotom? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 22:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::It is an unfair advantage as not everybody can get Rotom's formes (Ahem *cough cough* Not everyone has Wifi) AND that Rotom's formes have higher base stats than it. Shaymin and Giratina still keep the same BS average while Rotom's actually INCREASES by a fairly large amount. The only Pokemon to change appearance like that and increase its BS average are POkemon who evolve (and, once again, I give up on the accent). '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 13:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Yes, but since Rotom has patently unimportant stats before its from change, it doesn't make it unfair. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 02:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
So basically it's an opinion and should be removed. [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 13:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
that means its legendary

== what more proof do you want that Rotom is legendary ==
::^And that disproves that Rotom is a legendary... HOW exactly? I mean, Mewtwo was also discovered around that yearspan if not less than that, and it's still counted as a Legendary. I'm not saying that it IS one, just that the whole 50 year discovery =/= legendary mindset isn't a valid reason. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 14:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Rotom isn't a legendary, get over it. The main reason I can think of off the top of my head is stats. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 14:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Did I say it was a legendary? no, I didn't. In fact, I denied saying it was in the response you responded to. Besides, even if I did, in regards to stats, since Phione is canonically a legendary, despite having the same stats as a Glalie, Stats barely mean anything to Legendaries. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 15:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:If this the "It's got forms, it's a legendary!".. then {{p|Unown}}, {{p|Spinda}}, {{p|Castform}}, {{p|Burmy}}, {{p|Wormadam}}, {{p|Mothim}}{{tt|*|Inherited}}, {{p|Cherrim}}, {{p|Shellos}}, {{p|Gastrodon}} are all legendary.[[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 15:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

::Well, sorry Weedle, I was countering Vik0z0z. And on Phione, Phione is mostly a weaker Manaphy. That's pretty much its whole existance. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] -
[[User talk:ArceusEX]]4:57, 22 October 2008
:Rotom is a legendary.I read it in the Pokemon handbook. [[User:ArceusEx]]
::Which handbook? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::You're all wrong... and he's right......it's legendary...~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 22:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Or "they" are right~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 22:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::DAMMIT, can't upload the stupid scan!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 22:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:LegendaryRotom.jpg|500px]]
THUNTHUNTHUN!!!!!!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 23:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
::::That proves nothing at all except some happy go lucky user chose to name the file Legendary pokemon.It does not include the word legendary Anywhere, therefore, it has itAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY(thats a buzzer, by the way)--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]
Err... Actually, Legendary Pokemon was listed under it's name, and from the scan, It seems legit. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:Ah now i see it<Blame Fire Fox>. What publisher is this?That made the Guide?--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]
::it's still no proof to me, as it's not involved in ANY legend and its stats are WAYY worse than Phione's... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 23:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::The copywrite is, '''(c) 2008 Pokémon. 1997-2008 Nintendo, Creatures, GAME FREAK, TV Tokyo, ShoPro, JR Kikaku. Pokémon Properties are trademarks of Nintendo'''. This is one of the handbooks, there's one for each generation.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 00:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Proof enough for me if they have Game Freak.Ask the Echidna though--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]

[[User talk:ArceusEX]] 4:57 23 October 2008
:Its legendary.I may be new.But i know a lot about Pokemon. [[User:ArceusEx]]
::Exact title of the handbook is? Without it, the creditability of the source is questionable. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 13:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Anyways it can breed, so it's not classified as one... YEAH MANAPHY CAN BREED BUT IT KICKS ROTOM'S BUTT IN TERMS OF STATS (and phione too, so stop it) '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 16:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

[[User talk:ArceusEX]] 2:40 23 October 2008
:the name of the handbook is The Ultimate Pokemon Handbook.My friend has it. [[User:ArceusEx]]
its legendary OKAY
:I say we should wait for EnPt to say something. If the game says it is, it is. Rotom's about as legendary as Porygon was, though-- if anything Unown's more legendary. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::I still think Unown is legendary. But Rotom being legendary works in a way. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 21:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

let it on there

were can i put it

:Third-party books can, and usually are, error-riddled. As far as we can tell, that handbook saying Rotom is legendary is merely a mistake made by the writers of that handbook. We've never trusted third-party books as a reliable source of information before, why start now? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

it is legendary i have a AR

will you sign it. go to [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]]
[[User:ArceusEX]]
its if you think rotom is legendary or if you dont thkink that [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]]

Talk:Rotom (Pokémon)/Archive 1

2008-10-23T21:48:19Z

ArceusEX: /* what more proof do you want that Rotom is legendary */

Shouldn't we classify Rotom as a legendary?
:It can breed. It's about as legendary as HO-HO in GenII. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
::Just because it can breed doesn't mean that it's not Legendary. Manaphy is Legendary, but it can breed. Also, there's obviously some significance to it having to same weight, and being directly before the Lake Trio on the National Dex. --[[User:Vladek|Vladek]]
:::Not really. Snorlax is directly before Articuno, and it's of the same type as Rotom (i.e. rare but not legendary). And Manaphy is just the exception that proves the rule. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 18:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
::::An exception that proves the rule? O_o Last I checked, an exception disproved things. Also, does Snorlax have the same weight as Articuno? Didn't think so. --[[User:Vladek|Vladek]]

Rotom is legendary. Face it...Rotom is legendary...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|♪♪♪]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 07:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I will say that it is a legendary. I want to point out to Optimus35 that {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, {{p|Moltres}}, {{p|Mew}} and ESPECIALLY {{p|Mewtwo}} weren't featured in legends either, and they were still referred to as legendary pokémon, so the "Not appearing in legends" thing doesn't really cut it. By legends, I mean folk tales told by NPCs during the various games (which they [the folk tales, I mean] started in Gen II).

Yeah but phione can breed to get itself so why cant rotom be a legendary? [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 15:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
~~Weedle_McHairybug~~
:The legendary birds had most of their legendary crap in their dex entries. Remember, Gen I was where it was just starting; "legendary" meant little more than "special", one of a kind (or really rare) things. Now of course it means much more, and the birds are in their place with the rest of the trios, with their story kindasorta filled in by the anime. Mew and Mewtwo... well, jeez, who ''didn't'' see MSB? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 00:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Music shouldn't be treated as the primary way of determining Legendary status. Next you'll be telling me Shaymin's not a Legendary. Nintendo accepts the Legendary Pokémon to NOT include Rotom, which should be enough, but if it's not, consider this: Rotom can breed artificially and produce another Rotom indirectly or otherwise. Further, Rotom is not the byproduct itself of a Legendary. A solid definition for a Legendary at this point would include two basic structures: The Pokémon is unable to breed another member of the same evolutionary line artificially, though the offspring is still considered a Legendary due to the Legendary parent. A Legendary Pokémon is accepted as Legendary by Nintendo. Only those and nothing more. That's why Rotom is not a Legendary Pokémon.
:Technically, Legendaries are all in legends, whch is why Manaphy is one. Phione...ask Nintendo. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]11:15 6 Apr 2008'''
::Not Mewtwo. Mewtwo is canonically too new of a Pokémon to feature in legends.

== Coronet? ==

http://images.wikia.com/telefang/images//d/d9/2-061.png
Does this guy look like Rotom or what?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 12:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:Are you going somewhere with this or are you just making a comparison? -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 12:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm basically just making a comparison here. But I would also like to know if Rotom's slight resemblance to a Telefang monster is worthy of being mentioned.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 13:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::This is your opinion that they share a resemblance...someone's opinion is not fact. I don't see this resemblance. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 14:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, both Rotom and Coronet's basic form are floating orbs with a spike on top. But if you don't think that it isn't worth mentioning, then I won't mention it.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 14:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::: Agreeing with Sketchies, we already have enough [[Kirlia|problems]] with [[Snorlax|opinion]] being [[Buizel|treated]] as [[Jirachi|fact]] throughout various Pokémon articles. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 15:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::..for a second I thought you meant that I was the problem there. o_o To be honest, I don't see any particular resemblance bewtween the two. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 15:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:The fact that that thing's name is Coronet is weird enough. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::Because it shares the same name as [[Mt. Coronet|a location in Sinnoh]], or for some other reason?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:I agree that it's probably not worth mentioning, but then I have no ask, should the page say that Rotom resembles [[Castform|Castform]]? I don't see that big of a resemblance there. '''~~[[User:DesuMaiWaifu|De]][[User talk:DesuMaiWaifu|su]]''' 20:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I know this might be the wrong section for this, but: doesn't Castform have FOUR forms (Normal, Rain, Sun, and Hail)? Or is it just talking about forms other than the normal form? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
:Are you asking about the comparison between Castform's forms and Rotom's forms?? If you are, then my answer is that we're not saying the two Pokémon's forms are similar; we're saying that the two normal forms are similar. [[User:bnjelinski|Soon to be Mrs. Shirley]]

== New formes ==

the new formes of pokemon are all rotom! [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 20:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:Thats what i was thinking... [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 20:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::What about the green one? Does that look like Rotom?--[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 20:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Chek ur talkpage Tavi--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::I checked it a long time ago. I think the Onix and Spinda SHOULD NOT be created. First, Onix is just polished and is no different that the other Onix unlike the crystal Onix where it's a different color. Second, Spinda's has many forms in the way their spots are arranged. If many Spinda with different spot arrangements appear in the anime, are we going to make that many alt sprites? The answer is no, so those two shouldn't be made.--[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 20:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::There's a fairly good chance they could be real... but you remember the infamous fake Skyform Shaymin situation... oh lord.
:::I can't even find the image on serebii either. This might be one of those instances where someone uploaded an image online and let it spread. Regardless, all the forms with Pokemon lately is kind of messed up... though this is still the best ever- http://keishinkae.deviantart.com/art/NEW-POKEMON-FORME-REVEALED-94669775 [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 16:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I definitely thought those five new Pokémon couldn't be new because if that were the case, how would players be able to send them to Pokémon Diamond and Pearl. This would mean that there has to be new forms of one Pokémon like Giratina and Shaymin. Also, considering the position of its Pokédex entry #479 just before all of the legendaries and being one of few Pokémon where only one can be caught in the game, it's clear that Rotom is somewhat legendary with the ability to have different forms. Also, don't forget that Rotom's ability Levitate, many Legendaries have that ability (e.g. Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf and the legendary birds even though it's not their actual ability but have immunity to ground type moves). Therefore, the new forms must be of Rotom. I rest my case. [[User:Lanturn|Lanturn]] 13:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

As for the forms, I believe that the red, purple, green and orange silhouettes along with the original form of Rotom are in one group because of their identical hands on their sides (despite the green one looks hard to see). The blue one on the other hand might be another Rotom but is much more powerful with the potential of having the sum of the base stats equal to or greater than 600. The blue one looks larger than the rest (slightly although it could be the purple or the green one instead). I'm suggesting blue because it has two different looking arms (although Deoxys normal form has it too). While saying that, I believe this may be the case where the player must have all five forms of Rotom in their party or seen/caught before having the chance to capture this super Rotom (similar to the Regigigas event and the Ho-oh event in Pokémon Crystal). This is what I strongly believe but share in your opinions about this speculation. I might be completely wrong, but I feel that the evidence does sound very convincing. [[User:Lanturn|Lanturn]] 13:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

the orange one looks like spiritomb tho.....[[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 13:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)Happizelpom

:Until the formes are officially revealed as to who they are, they should not be included on the page. You may speculate as much as you want (there's another topic on the Bulbagarden Fourms for you to do that, not litter up a talk page...) but it is NOT appropriate to have the Rotom page littered with 'some people speculate that the orange outline is a Rotom forme...'. You guys can wait less than 3 weeks until it comes out, and everything gets confirmed. ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 13:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

serebii.net just got the scan of the leaflets included with Pokémon Platinum that display some of the Rotom's formes (the security camera one is nowhere to be seen) besides it's types and attacks they can learn. Shouldn't we add this to this page and in the main page? [[User:Commanderraf|Commanderraf]] 17:12, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Thats what I was thinking I went on serebii and was like OMFG and then went to bulbapedia and alas noting... --[[User:Hey1031|Hey1031]] 20:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, if there are new forms of Rotom... well, put them on the talk page first. The Pokémon Infobox is now a ''very'' sensitive template and cannot be changed without advance knowledge. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
::Images as found in the archives. Sorry for the size. [[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]] 00:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[[Image:Rotomcutform.jpg]][[Image:Rotomfan.jpg]][[Image:Rotomfrostforme.jpg]][[Image:Rotomoven.jpg]][[Image:Rotomwashingmachine.jpg]]
:::Aside from the fridge, those images look like crap. SOMEONE GET BETTER ONES. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:23, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I was right! I was thinking that these pokemon had to do with Rotom... --[[User:AKgirl|AK]][[User talk:AKgirl|girl]] 01:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:The lawnmower form reminds me of Fawful for some reason. That face just seems to be screaming "I HAVE FURY!"--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 02:00, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:Do you maybe think that Rotom has these forms because it's possesing household objects. Conspiracy! *shifty eyes* [[User:Asujoll|Asujoll]] 9:39 11 September 2008
::Rotom's new formes should come with different types... I think the fridge one is Ice/Ghost, the oven is Fire/Ghost, the washing machine is Water/Ghost, the fan is Flying/Ghost and the lawn mower is Grass/Ghost. You can tell because of the moves they learn, acording to Serebii. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Should, but don't. Far as I've heard, the data says it's Electric/Ghost in all... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
'''' The Refridgerator one's official name is "Frost Rotom" and the Fan one is "Cut Rotom". Just FYI --[[User:Serebii|Serebii]] 23:54, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:id love to fix it, but someone locked the page...? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

# (cur) (last) 15:39, 10 September 2008 TTEchidna (Talk | contribs) m (Changed protection level for "Rotom (Pokémon)": Give some time for the Platinum release to cool it... [edit=sysop:move=sysop] (expires 00:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)))

Yeah. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 23:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:K not much to say but the Washer is VILE what the hell is in his hand???!??! Someone is gonna complain about that soon. But no me lol! [[User:Rucario64|Rucario]][[User Talk:Rucario64|64]] 19:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== Rotom names ==

It seems we finally have all 5 Rotom names:

* Refrigerator = '''Frost Rotom'''
* Washing Machine = '''Wash Rotom'''
* Fan = '''Spin Rotom'''
* Lawnmower = '''Cut Rotom'''
* Oven = '''Heat Rotom'''

== Trivia ==

The Frost Rotom is a Refrigerator.
The Wash Rotom is a Washing machine.
The Spin Rotom is a fan.
The cut Rotom is a Lawnmower.
The oven Rotom is a Oven.
So, the Normal Rotom is... a Lamp!

[[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 10:09, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Mmm...I think normal Rotom is just Rotom. It has to have a regular form, doesn't it? Kind of like Ditto and Deoxys have a regular form. [[User:Kochdude388|Kochdude388]] 21:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:Based off of a Poltergeist? [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Rotom is a Lava-lamb! [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 00:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:Lamp. Lava ''lamp''. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 00:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::LOL lamb XD.Do you agree with me?[[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 01:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Platinum? ==

Is Rotom really unobtainable in platinum? Because it says in the in-game locations that it MUST be traded from D/P. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 01:11, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:If it's not obtainable...then I must have caught another Orange ghost when I examined the TV. Rotom is catchable in Platinum. That needs changed. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 01:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:The template just says Trade if not filled in. But yeah, you can get Rotom as soon as it's night after getting the ability to use cut in the field. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 20:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Spinda ==

I know we cant make edits yet, but should Spinda be in the piece of trivia that says that Rotom has the most amout of forme of all none legendaries (Exept Unown)? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 18:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:Spinda doesn't count, very minor difference, just like gender differences. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 21:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Forme... ==
On the page, under evolution, it lists them as "Heat Forme", "Frost Forme", "Cut Forme", etc. No, I'm not questioning the the spelling of forme, but... If I recall, they didn't have Forme in their name. They were just known as "Heat Rotom", "Frost Rotom", "Cut Rotom", etc.
...or do they have Forme? I don't think they do... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 22:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Don't have Forme. I know I put "form" (non-capitalized, no e) before we knew, but now we can change it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::I put "Forme" because in Japanese they use that weird "フォルム" spelling.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No, I don't mean use "Forme" or "Form" or whatever... I'm pretty sure there wasn't anything there to begin with. Just "Cut Rotom". By itself... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 01:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::"フォルム" isn't a transliteration of just "form"? What would that be? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::::"フォーム" is the more orthodox transliteration of "form". "フォルム" doesn't show up in any dictionaries I've looked through at any rate.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::And the same spelling of フォルム/Forme has appeared for Deoxys, Giratina, and Shaymin? Is it how it's displayed in a Japanese DPPt game's Pokédex? Did the translation screw up? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::"フォルム" is used in all the same places as "forme", yeah.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::But is it used in the dex, like for Deoxys in English it says "See another form." on the button at the bottom, and displays "Forms" at the top. Does it use the standard transliteration there or does it use the one that they've officially transliterated as Forme? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:56, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::...No, I mean on the names, there was no Form or Forme there to begin with. No f, o, and r, in that order, appearing anywhere withing the name. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 23:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Well of course, but the current issue is now whether the Japanese DP used "フォルム" or "フォーム", the first translating as "Forme" and the second as "form", in the Pokédex. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Trade ==

What happens when you trade a Rotom in one of it's formes from Platinum to D/P? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 20:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:Reverts to its normal form... pretty obvious... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

== Banned? ==

It is banned from tournaments. Where'd that come from? [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 13:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:I don't really know, although it shouldn't be, as a base stat total of 520 isn't that great. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:it's because it's hard to obtain, by hard i mean it's only availible in one game and some games won't accept it so...[[User:Luckario|Luckario]] 22:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::Battles between Platinum with Origin Forme Giratina and Pearl with Another Forme one are still possible. Same with Shaymin and why not Rotom? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 22:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::It is an unfair advantage as not everybody can get Rotom's formes (Ahem *cough cough* Not everyone has Wifi) AND that Rotom's formes have higher base stats than it. Shaymin and Giratina still keep the same BS average while Rotom's actually INCREASES by a fairly large amount. The only Pokemon to change appearance like that and increase its BS average are POkemon who evolve (and, once again, I give up on the accent). '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 13:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Yes, but since Rotom has patently unimportant stats before its from change, it doesn't make it unfair. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 02:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
So basically it's an opinion and should be removed. [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 13:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
that means its legendary

== what more proof do you want that Rotom is legendary ==
::^And that disproves that Rotom is a legendary... HOW exactly? I mean, Mewtwo was also discovered around that yearspan if not less than that, and it's still counted as a Legendary. I'm not saying that it IS one, just that the whole 50 year discovery =/= legendary mindset isn't a valid reason. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 14:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Rotom isn't a legendary, get over it. The main reason I can think of off the top of my head is stats. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 14:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Did I say it was a legendary? no, I didn't. In fact, I denied saying it was in the response you responded to. Besides, even if I did, in regards to stats, since Phione is canonically a legendary, despite having the same stats as a Glalie, Stats barely mean anything to Legendaries. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 15:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:If this the "It's got forms, it's a legendary!".. then {{p|Unown}}, {{p|Spinda}}, {{p|Castform}}, {{p|Burmy}}, {{p|Wormadam}}, {{p|Mothim}}{{tt|*|Inherited}}, {{p|Cherrim}}, {{p|Shellos}}, {{p|Gastrodon}} are all legendary.[[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 15:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

::Well, sorry Weedle, I was countering Vik0z0z. And on Phione, Phione is mostly a weaker Manaphy. That's pretty much its whole existance. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] -
[[User talk:ArceusEX]]4:57, 22 October 2008
:Rotom is a legendary.I read it in the Pokemon handbook. [[User:ArceusEx]]
::Which handbook? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::You're all wrong... and he's right......it's legendary...~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 22:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Or "they" are right~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 22:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::DAMMIT, can't upload the stupid scan!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 22:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:LegendaryRotom.jpg|500px]]
THUNTHUNTHUN!!!!!!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 23:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
::::That proves nothing at all except some happy go lucky user chose to name the file Legendary pokemon.It does not include the word legendary Anywhere, therefore, it has itAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY(thats a buzzer, by the way)--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]
Err... Actually, Legendary Pokemon was listed under it's name, and from the scan, It seems legit. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:Ah now i see it<Blame Fire Fox>. What publisher is this?That made the Guide?--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]
::it's still no proof to me, as it's not involved in ANY legend and its stats are WAYY worse than Phione's... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 23:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::The copywrite is, '''(c) 2008 Pokémon. 1997-2008 Nintendo, Creatures, GAME FREAK, TV Tokyo, ShoPro, JR Kikaku. Pokémon Properties are trademarks of Nintendo'''. This is one of the handbooks, there's one for each generation.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 00:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Proof enough for me if they have Game Freak.Ask the Echidna though--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]

[[User talk:ArceusEX]] 4:57 23 October 2008
:Its legendary.I may be new.But i know a lot about Pokemon. [[User:ArceusEx]]
::Exact title of the handbook is? Without it, the creditability of the source is questionable. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 13:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Anyways it can breed, so it's not classified as one... YEAH MANAPHY CAN BREED BUT IT KICKS ROTOM'S BUTT IN TERMS OF STATS (and phione too, so stop it) '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 16:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

[[User talk:ArceusEX]] 2:40 23 October 2008
:the name of the handbook is The Ultimate Pokemon Handbook.My friend has it. [[User:ArceusEx]]
its legendary OKAY
:I say we should wait for EnPt to say something. If the game says it is, it is. Rotom's about as legendary as Porygon was, though-- if anything Unown's more legendary. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::I still think Unown is legendary. But Rotom being legendary works in a way. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 21:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

let it on there

were can i put it

:Third-party books can, and usually are, error-riddled. As far as we can tell, that handbook saying Rotom is legendary is merely a mistake made by the writers of that handbook. We've never trusted third-party books as a reliable source of information before, why start now? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

will you sign it. go to [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]]
[[User:ArceusEX]]
its if you think rotom is legendary or if you dont thkink that [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]]

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== Dustox (Galactic's Conquest) ==

How on earth is a Psychic-type Dustox an error? Dustox is part-Poison, and unless you've been under a rock since 2006, you'll know that Poison-types are now represented as Psychic-types in the TCG due to the ridiculous abundance of Grass-types. [[User:Cipher|Cipher]] 17:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

:He's right. I play the TCG competitively, and there are about as many Psychic Poison types as Grass Poison types. --[[User:Politoed666|ニョロトノ]][[User talk:Politoed666|''666'']] 20:53, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== I don't understand... ==

I don't understand why the Bulbapedia admins consider anime gun-jumps as something wrong and evil which should be eradicated, while game gun-jumps and leaks are perfectly okay and acceptable. I don't see the difference between the two. You simply have some kind of an obsession, I believe. --[[User:Maxim|Maxim]] 17:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:It's because anime stuff falls under an "until it airs" policy. It's possible that a detail could be revealed, highly popularized, and then later revealed to be wrong.

:Enforcment of "until it airs" was stepped up after an event largely referred to nowadays as the [[Bulbapedia:James/Gardenia poll|Cacnea debacle]]. It was started by {{u|Shiny Noctowl}} after what was a then-routine plot-spoiling of events from [[DP053]] and [[DP054]]. Shiny Noctowl then proceeded to move the [[James's Cacnea]] article to "Gardenia's Cacnea", citing "James no longer has a Cacnea, we shouldn't have an article about something that doesn't exist" and giving bullsh{{tt|*|i}}t points to try to defend that angle. Negativity ensued, and a poll was waged. The poll heavily favored a move back (the article was later moved back), but Shiny Noctowl was determined to tip the scales by any means necessary; first by adding bullsh{{tt|*|i}}t weighting garbage, then by messing with the evidence, and even claiming that "consensus" meant that "everyone agrees" and since that not everyone agreed, it wasn't consensus.

:During that same timeframe, [[Ash's Chimchar]] suffered a minor incident also related to the plot-spoiling, when a vandal erased the page's content over and over, claiming the entire page was false. However, this incident was far more minor compared to the larger Cacnea debacle.

:The Cacnea debacle was so big that the plot-spoiling practice was ended once and for all after the debacle broke out. The "until it airs" policy was stepped up starting with [[DP055]] and has remained stepped up since. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 17:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
::...But that debate was all about notability. How did you get from there to not trusting Newtype? --[[User:Fabu-Vinny|FabuVinny]] |[[User talk:Fabu-Vinny|Talk Page]]| 19:11, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== A Few Things ==

How do you get the Golden Bulbasaur Award? I saw it on your usertag...also, what Special characters should I make? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 14:01, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

:How should I know? I don't even know how TTEchidna bestowed the award on me to begin with...--[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:28, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
::You subst-ed everyone's siganature templates. And I mean everyone's. (Except I had mine, Tina's and part way into TTE's when you started.) ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 15:34, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:::What do you mean, {{u|Moldy orange}}? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 23:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
::::A long long time ago, about the end of march, a new signature policy came out and all the templates we were using were no longer allowed. We had to go to every talk page (User talk, talk, Shipping talk, etc) we ever commented on since making the templates, and "subst" them. (For a small example, go [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMAGNEDETH%2FArchive2&diff=330169&oldid=311290 here], many other pages were bigger than this. I did all 93 of mine, 540 of Tina's and I started TTE's. Shiningpikablu came in and did so many more users. Whenever he found a template, he did it. There was no stopping him! He did so much that TTE decided to give him the Golden Bulbasaur Award for hel;ping relieve server stress. And we all lived happily ever after, til that damn server crash at the end of May. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:02, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Oh....lolz...but wouldn't that risk overide of server? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:04, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::The fact that people were changing their signature templates created a greater amount of server stress than removing the templates themselves. Whenever someone changed it, the server had to go to every talk page the user ever put the template on, and change it itself. People were changing them too often and it got out of hand and the policy was created. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:07, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I see. Thanks! [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 01:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== GB Decks ==

Is there anything else that we would be able to put on each GB Decks page? Look [[Etc. Deck (TCG)|here]] for what I have already. I think it looks a little empty, but I can't think of anything else, and I was hoping you would be able to. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 17:23, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

:No ideas here, either.

:However, if there's anyone who would have an idea, {{u|Politoed666}} would. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:50, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

::Okay, thanks anyway... ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 19:52, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
==darkrai breeder==
who is this guy? he seems like he`s wasting his time trying to prove some fake pokemon he photoshopped is real,he`s fighting a losing battle.any one who STRONGLY wants him to stop talking about glatra put your signature on my talk page in the section darkrai breeder
--[[User:Xam430|Xam430]] 22:38, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

please note Im not trying to offend him--[[User:Xam430|Xam430]] 22:43, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

:You do know darkrai breeder's block doesn't expire until the 27th, right? And if darkrai breeder does return and revert to form--he's got a [[Pokémon Platinum Version|new game]] to create some phony methods for in his fruitless quest to prove that a fake glitch Pokémon is real--odds are he'll be on the outside looking in forever before too long. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 23:27, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

== Tyler ==

That one Tyler in Kanto may not even be named Tyler. The other option was Taylor. The CoD list was inconsistent with the episode page, and I just picked one and made them the same. I don't know which is correct, so it could be either. ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 03:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== Pokéfarm Article? ==

You deleted my Pokéfarm article...if I do an article w/ more info can it stay on? [[User:Emp395|Emp395]] 14:44, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

:That depends. It's entirely possible that the site in question isn't notable enough for its own article no matter how detailed such an article is.

:If the site was only recently created (i.e. the site's only a week old or so), odds are it will be considered non-notable whether an article is one sentence or a hundred.

:Additionally, if an article appears to be basically nothing but advertising a fansite, odds are the article gets trashed. Bulbapedia is not an ad agency for fansites. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 14:47, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

:Well it's more than 1 year old and it is fairly popular...[[User:Emp395|Emp395]] 22:28, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

== Images... ==

Did you get a scanner? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 18:57, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

:In a printer-scanner-copier combo device yesterday. Parts in my old printer had reached the end of its service life quite awhile back, hence the need to get a new printer. Given that a combo device had a reasonable price, why not get a combo device?

:Sure, my first kick at using the scanner functions may not have yielded perfect results, but you'll never know if you don't try, right? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 19:03, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

== Block me ==

OK, it's official. I'm addicted to editing. However, this interferes with my schoolwork, and as a result, my grades are falling. Can you please block me until, say, November 1 so that I can put my full attention to my schoolwork??--[[Blastoise (Pokémon)|K]][[Gary's Blastoise|kl]][[Blastoise (TCG)|l]][[User:Kkllnn|nn]] [[User Talk:Kkllnn| blastoise]] 22:34, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

== Stormfront cards ==

Here's a thought...for the first time in weeks, I have no homework or coursework or ''any'' other studies to do tonight. I also have tomorrow morning off. If I maybe used PokéBeach's IFDS translations to draft up card pages in NotePad, save the pages as .txt files and then modify those drafts as necessary (e.g. card numbers, attack text etc.) the next time cards get revealed, I could get pages up thick and fast tomorrow morning. What do you think? [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 15:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

:Sounds good.

:Funny you should mention Notepad, since that's the program I myself use to put in an article base and make modifications. Search-and-replace saves a lot of time when dealing with Pokémon names. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, I do that for stuff like...well, last I used it was for the DPt-P promo cards and the Gift Box cards, but when scans catch me off-guard like they just did I tend to just type as fast as I can in the wiki editor. Probably should be the other way around, but I guess once you've got a pattern you use, it's difficult to get out of it. [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 15:17, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh, also, should I upload some Japanese card images for Stormfront so that all card articles have a card image, even if Japanese? I'll be purchasing some Stormfront boosters in a couple of weeks, and I'll be uploading those, but still, for the time being... [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 16:02, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

:That could work, but I'm not entirely sure on this one. I'd go to {{u|Moldy orange}} for a second opinion on this one. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 16:09, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

::Shiningpikablu252, you seem a little reluctant on using the Japanese images. Is there some sort of hidden problem that I don't see? ''[[User:Moldy orange|'''Moldy''']][[User talk:Moldy orange|'''Orange''']]'' 01:11, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

:::It's not reluctance, it's just that I'm not really the expert when it comes to images. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 01:20, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Last night I got very few articles done, only seven or eight, two or three of which I've been able to use today. So what I'm gonna do today is get as many done as possible and upload Japanese card images for the set, then I can hopefully get a lot put straight up tomorrow. Probably would have helped if I'd have had the idea a couple of weeks ago... [[User:Cipher|'''''Cipher''''']] [[User talk:Cipher|'''''(Talk)''''']] 11:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

:Don't give up. Even a late-rising plan could yield fruit sooner rather than later. --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 15:33, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== sign ==
go to [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]]
---[[User:ArceusEX]]

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Shouldn't we classify Rotom as a legendary?
:It can breed. It's about as legendary as HO-HO in GenII. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
::Just because it can breed doesn't mean that it's not Legendary. Manaphy is Legendary, but it can breed. Also, there's obviously some significance to it having to same weight, and being directly before the Lake Trio on the National Dex. --[[User:Vladek|Vladek]]
:::Not really. Snorlax is directly before Articuno, and it's of the same type as Rotom (i.e. rare but not legendary). And Manaphy is just the exception that proves the rule. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 18:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
::::An exception that proves the rule? O_o Last I checked, an exception disproved things. Also, does Snorlax have the same weight as Articuno? Didn't think so. --[[User:Vladek|Vladek]]

Rotom is legendary. Face it...Rotom is legendary...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|♪♪♪]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 07:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I will say that it is a legendary. I want to point out to Optimus35 that {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, {{p|Moltres}}, {{p|Mew}} and ESPECIALLY {{p|Mewtwo}} weren't featured in legends either, and they were still referred to as legendary pokémon, so the "Not appearing in legends" thing doesn't really cut it. By legends, I mean folk tales told by NPCs during the various games (which they [the folk tales, I mean] started in Gen II).

Yeah but phione can breed to get itself so why cant rotom be a legendary? [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 15:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
~~Weedle_McHairybug~~
:The legendary birds had most of their legendary crap in their dex entries. Remember, Gen I was where it was just starting; "legendary" meant little more than "special", one of a kind (or really rare) things. Now of course it means much more, and the birds are in their place with the rest of the trios, with their story kindasorta filled in by the anime. Mew and Mewtwo... well, jeez, who ''didn't'' see MSB? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 00:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Music shouldn't be treated as the primary way of determining Legendary status. Next you'll be telling me Shaymin's not a Legendary. Nintendo accepts the Legendary Pokémon to NOT include Rotom, which should be enough, but if it's not, consider this: Rotom can breed artificially and produce another Rotom indirectly or otherwise. Further, Rotom is not the byproduct itself of a Legendary. A solid definition for a Legendary at this point would include two basic structures: The Pokémon is unable to breed another member of the same evolutionary line artificially, though the offspring is still considered a Legendary due to the Legendary parent. A Legendary Pokémon is accepted as Legendary by Nintendo. Only those and nothing more. That's why Rotom is not a Legendary Pokémon.
:Technically, Legendaries are all in legends, whch is why Manaphy is one. Phione...ask Nintendo. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]11:15 6 Apr 2008'''
::Not Mewtwo. Mewtwo is canonically too new of a Pokémon to feature in legends.

== Coronet? ==

http://images.wikia.com/telefang/images//d/d9/2-061.png
Does this guy look like Rotom or what?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 12:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:Are you going somewhere with this or are you just making a comparison? -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 12:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm basically just making a comparison here. But I would also like to know if Rotom's slight resemblance to a Telefang monster is worthy of being mentioned.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 13:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::This is your opinion that they share a resemblance...someone's opinion is not fact. I don't see this resemblance. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 14:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, both Rotom and Coronet's basic form are floating orbs with a spike on top. But if you don't think that it isn't worth mentioning, then I won't mention it.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 14:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::: Agreeing with Sketchies, we already have enough [[Kirlia|problems]] with [[Snorlax|opinion]] being [[Buizel|treated]] as [[Jirachi|fact]] throughout various Pokémon articles. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 15:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::..for a second I thought you meant that I was the problem there. o_o To be honest, I don't see any particular resemblance bewtween the two. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 15:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:The fact that that thing's name is Coronet is weird enough. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::Because it shares the same name as [[Mt. Coronet|a location in Sinnoh]], or for some other reason?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:I agree that it's probably not worth mentioning, but then I have no ask, should the page say that Rotom resembles [[Castform|Castform]]? I don't see that big of a resemblance there. '''~~[[User:DesuMaiWaifu|De]][[User talk:DesuMaiWaifu|su]]''' 20:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I know this might be the wrong section for this, but: doesn't Castform have FOUR forms (Normal, Rain, Sun, and Hail)? Or is it just talking about forms other than the normal form? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
:Are you asking about the comparison between Castform's forms and Rotom's forms?? If you are, then my answer is that we're not saying the two Pokémon's forms are similar; we're saying that the two normal forms are similar. [[User:bnjelinski|Soon to be Mrs. Shirley]]

== New formes ==

the new formes of pokemon are all rotom! [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 20:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:Thats what i was thinking... [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 20:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::What about the green one? Does that look like Rotom?--[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 20:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Chek ur talkpage Tavi--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::I checked it a long time ago. I think the Onix and Spinda SHOULD NOT be created. First, Onix is just polished and is no different that the other Onix unlike the crystal Onix where it's a different color. Second, Spinda's has many forms in the way their spots are arranged. If many Spinda with different spot arrangements appear in the anime, are we going to make that many alt sprites? The answer is no, so those two shouldn't be made.--[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 20:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::There's a fairly good chance they could be real... but you remember the infamous fake Skyform Shaymin situation... oh lord.
:::I can't even find the image on serebii either. This might be one of those instances where someone uploaded an image online and let it spread. Regardless, all the forms with Pokemon lately is kind of messed up... though this is still the best ever- http://keishinkae.deviantart.com/art/NEW-POKEMON-FORME-REVEALED-94669775 [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 16:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I definitely thought those five new Pokémon couldn't be new because if that were the case, how would players be able to send them to Pokémon Diamond and Pearl. This would mean that there has to be new forms of one Pokémon like Giratina and Shaymin. Also, considering the position of its Pokédex entry #479 just before all of the legendaries and being one of few Pokémon where only one can be caught in the game, it's clear that Rotom is somewhat legendary with the ability to have different forms. Also, don't forget that Rotom's ability Levitate, many Legendaries have that ability (e.g. Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf and the legendary birds even though it's not their actual ability but have immunity to ground type moves). Therefore, the new forms must be of Rotom. I rest my case. [[User:Lanturn|Lanturn]] 13:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

As for the forms, I believe that the red, purple, green and orange silhouettes along with the original form of Rotom are in one group because of their identical hands on their sides (despite the green one looks hard to see). The blue one on the other hand might be another Rotom but is much more powerful with the potential of having the sum of the base stats equal to or greater than 600. The blue one looks larger than the rest (slightly although it could be the purple or the green one instead). I'm suggesting blue because it has two different looking arms (although Deoxys normal form has it too). While saying that, I believe this may be the case where the player must have all five forms of Rotom in their party or seen/caught before having the chance to capture this super Rotom (similar to the Regigigas event and the Ho-oh event in Pokémon Crystal). This is what I strongly believe but share in your opinions about this speculation. I might be completely wrong, but I feel that the evidence does sound very convincing. [[User:Lanturn|Lanturn]] 13:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

the orange one looks like spiritomb tho.....[[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 13:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)Happizelpom

:Until the formes are officially revealed as to who they are, they should not be included on the page. You may speculate as much as you want (there's another topic on the Bulbagarden Fourms for you to do that, not litter up a talk page...) but it is NOT appropriate to have the Rotom page littered with 'some people speculate that the orange outline is a Rotom forme...'. You guys can wait less than 3 weeks until it comes out, and everything gets confirmed. ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 13:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

serebii.net just got the scan of the leaflets included with Pokémon Platinum that display some of the Rotom's formes (the security camera one is nowhere to be seen) besides it's types and attacks they can learn. Shouldn't we add this to this page and in the main page? [[User:Commanderraf|Commanderraf]] 17:12, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Thats what I was thinking I went on serebii and was like OMFG and then went to bulbapedia and alas noting... --[[User:Hey1031|Hey1031]] 20:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, if there are new forms of Rotom... well, put them on the talk page first. The Pokémon Infobox is now a ''very'' sensitive template and cannot be changed without advance knowledge. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
::Images as found in the archives. Sorry for the size. [[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]] 00:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[[Image:Rotomcutform.jpg]][[Image:Rotomfan.jpg]][[Image:Rotomfrostforme.jpg]][[Image:Rotomoven.jpg]][[Image:Rotomwashingmachine.jpg]]
:::Aside from the fridge, those images look like crap. SOMEONE GET BETTER ONES. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:23, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I was right! I was thinking that these pokemon had to do with Rotom... --[[User:AKgirl|AK]][[User talk:AKgirl|girl]] 01:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:The lawnmower form reminds me of Fawful for some reason. That face just seems to be screaming "I HAVE FURY!"--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 02:00, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:Do you maybe think that Rotom has these forms because it's possesing household objects. Conspiracy! *shifty eyes* [[User:Asujoll|Asujoll]] 9:39 11 September 2008
::Rotom's new formes should come with different types... I think the fridge one is Ice/Ghost, the oven is Fire/Ghost, the washing machine is Water/Ghost, the fan is Flying/Ghost and the lawn mower is Grass/Ghost. You can tell because of the moves they learn, acording to Serebii. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Should, but don't. Far as I've heard, the data says it's Electric/Ghost in all... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
'''' The Refridgerator one's official name is "Frost Rotom" and the Fan one is "Cut Rotom". Just FYI --[[User:Serebii|Serebii]] 23:54, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:id love to fix it, but someone locked the page...? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

# (cur) (last) 15:39, 10 September 2008 TTEchidna (Talk | contribs) m (Changed protection level for "Rotom (Pokémon)": Give some time for the Platinum release to cool it... [edit=sysop:move=sysop] (expires 00:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)))

Yeah. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 23:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:K not much to say but the Washer is VILE what the hell is in his hand???!??! Someone is gonna complain about that soon. But no me lol! [[User:Rucario64|Rucario]][[User Talk:Rucario64|64]] 19:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== Rotom names ==

It seems we finally have all 5 Rotom names:

* Refrigerator = '''Frost Rotom'''
* Washing Machine = '''Wash Rotom'''
* Fan = '''Spin Rotom'''
* Lawnmower = '''Cut Rotom'''
* Oven = '''Heat Rotom'''

== Trivia ==

The Frost Rotom is a Refrigerator.
The Wash Rotom is a Washing machine.
The Spin Rotom is a fan.
The cut Rotom is a Lawnmower.
The oven Rotom is a Oven.
So, the Normal Rotom is... a Lamp!

[[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 10:09, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Mmm...I think normal Rotom is just Rotom. It has to have a regular form, doesn't it? Kind of like Ditto and Deoxys have a regular form. [[User:Kochdude388|Kochdude388]] 21:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:Based off of a Poltergeist? [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Rotom is a Lava-lamb! [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 00:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:Lamp. Lava ''lamp''. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 00:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::LOL lamb XD.Do you agree with me?[[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 01:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Platinum? ==

Is Rotom really unobtainable in platinum? Because it says in the in-game locations that it MUST be traded from D/P. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 01:11, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:If it's not obtainable...then I must have caught another Orange ghost when I examined the TV. Rotom is catchable in Platinum. That needs changed. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 01:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:The template just says Trade if not filled in. But yeah, you can get Rotom as soon as it's night after getting the ability to use cut in the field. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 20:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Spinda ==

I know we cant make edits yet, but should Spinda be in the piece of trivia that says that Rotom has the most amout of forme of all none legendaries (Exept Unown)? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 18:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:Spinda doesn't count, very minor difference, just like gender differences. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 21:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Forme... ==
On the page, under evolution, it lists them as "Heat Forme", "Frost Forme", "Cut Forme", etc. No, I'm not questioning the the spelling of forme, but... If I recall, they didn't have Forme in their name. They were just known as "Heat Rotom", "Frost Rotom", "Cut Rotom", etc.
...or do they have Forme? I don't think they do... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 22:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Don't have Forme. I know I put "form" (non-capitalized, no e) before we knew, but now we can change it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::I put "Forme" because in Japanese they use that weird "フォルム" spelling.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No, I don't mean use "Forme" or "Form" or whatever... I'm pretty sure there wasn't anything there to begin with. Just "Cut Rotom". By itself... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 01:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::"フォルム" isn't a transliteration of just "form"? What would that be? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::::"フォーム" is the more orthodox transliteration of "form". "フォルム" doesn't show up in any dictionaries I've looked through at any rate.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::And the same spelling of フォルム/Forme has appeared for Deoxys, Giratina, and Shaymin? Is it how it's displayed in a Japanese DPPt game's Pokédex? Did the translation screw up? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::"フォルム" is used in all the same places as "forme", yeah.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::But is it used in the dex, like for Deoxys in English it says "See another form." on the button at the bottom, and displays "Forms" at the top. Does it use the standard transliteration there or does it use the one that they've officially transliterated as Forme? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:56, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::...No, I mean on the names, there was no Form or Forme there to begin with. No f, o, and r, in that order, appearing anywhere withing the name. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 23:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Well of course, but the current issue is now whether the Japanese DP used "フォルム" or "フォーム", the first translating as "Forme" and the second as "form", in the Pokédex. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Trade ==

What happens when you trade a Rotom in one of it's formes from Platinum to D/P? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 20:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:Reverts to its normal form... pretty obvious... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

== Banned? ==

It is banned from tournaments. Where'd that come from? [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 13:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:I don't really know, although it shouldn't be, as a base stat total of 520 isn't that great. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:it's because it's hard to obtain, by hard i mean it's only availible in one game and some games won't accept it so...[[User:Luckario|Luckario]] 22:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::Battles between Platinum with Origin Forme Giratina and Pearl with Another Forme one are still possible. Same with Shaymin and why not Rotom? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 22:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::It is an unfair advantage as not everybody can get Rotom's formes (Ahem *cough cough* Not everyone has Wifi) AND that Rotom's formes have higher base stats than it. Shaymin and Giratina still keep the same BS average while Rotom's actually INCREASES by a fairly large amount. The only Pokemon to change appearance like that and increase its BS average are POkemon who evolve (and, once again, I give up on the accent). '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 13:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Yes, but since Rotom has patently unimportant stats before its from change, it doesn't make it unfair. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 02:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
So basically it's an opinion and should be removed. [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 13:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
that means its legendary

== what more proof do you want that Rotom is legendary ==
::^And that disproves that Rotom is a legendary... HOW exactly? I mean, Mewtwo was also discovered around that yearspan if not less than that, and it's still counted as a Legendary. I'm not saying that it IS one, just that the whole 50 year discovery =/= legendary mindset isn't a valid reason. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 14:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Rotom isn't a legendary, get over it. The main reason I can think of off the top of my head is stats. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 14:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Did I say it was a legendary? no, I didn't. In fact, I denied saying it was in the response you responded to. Besides, even if I did, in regards to stats, since Phione is canonically a legendary, despite having the same stats as a Glalie, Stats barely mean anything to Legendaries. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 15:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:If this the "It's got forms, it's a legendary!".. then {{p|Unown}}, {{p|Spinda}}, {{p|Castform}}, {{p|Burmy}}, {{p|Wormadam}}, {{p|Mothim}}{{tt|*|Inherited}}, {{p|Cherrim}}, {{p|Shellos}}, {{p|Gastrodon}} are all legendary.[[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 15:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

::Well, sorry Weedle, I was countering Vik0z0z. And on Phione, Phione is mostly a weaker Manaphy. That's pretty much its whole existance. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] -
[[User talk:ArceusEX]]4:57, 22 October 2008
:Rotom is a legendary.I read it in the Pokemon handbook. [[User:ArceusEx]]
::Which handbook? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::You're all wrong... and he's right......it's legendary...~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 22:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Or "they" are right~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 22:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::DAMMIT, can't upload the stupid scan!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 22:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:LegendaryRotom.jpg|500px]]
THUNTHUNTHUN!!!!!!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 23:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
::::That proves nothing at all except some happy go lucky user chose to name the file Legendary pokemon.It does not include the word legendary Anywhere, therefore, it has itAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY(thats a buzzer, by the way)--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]
Err... Actually, Legendary Pokemon was listed under it's name, and from the scan, It seems legit. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:Ah now i see it<Blame Fire Fox>. What publisher is this?That made the Guide?--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]
::it's still no proof to me, as it's not involved in ANY legend and its stats are WAYY worse than Phione's... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 23:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::The copywrite is, '''(c) 2008 Pokémon. 1997-2008 Nintendo, Creatures, GAME FREAK, TV Tokyo, ShoPro, JR Kikaku. Pokémon Properties are trademarks of Nintendo'''. This is one of the handbooks, there's one for each generation.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 00:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Proof enough for me if they have Game Freak.Ask the Echidna though--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]

[[User talk:ArceusEX]] 4:57 23 October 2008
:Its legendary.I may be new.But i know a lot about Pokemon. [[User:ArceusEx]]
::Exact title of the handbook is? Without it, the creditability of the source is questionable. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 13:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Anyways it can breed, so it's not classified as one... YEAH MANAPHY CAN BREED BUT IT KICKS ROTOM'S BUTT IN TERMS OF STATS (and phione too, so stop it) '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 16:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

[[User talk:ArceusEX]] 2:40 23 October 2008
:the name of the handbook is The Ultimate Pokemon Handbook.My friend has it. [[User:ArceusEx]]
its legendary OKAY
:I say we should wait for EnPt to say something. If the game says it is, it is. Rotom's about as legendary as Porygon was, though-- if anything Unown's more legendary. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::I still think Unown is legendary. But Rotom being legendary works in a way. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 21:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

let it on there

were can i put it

:Third-party books can, and usually are, error-riddled. As far as we can tell, that handbook saying Rotom is legendary is merely a mistake made by the writers of that handbook. We've never trusted third-party books as a reliable source of information before, why start now? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

will you sign it. go to [[User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status]]
[[User:ArceusEX]]

Talk:Rotom (Pokémon)/Archive 1

2008-10-23T21:41:24Z

ArceusEX: /* what more proof do you want that Rotom is legendary */

Shouldn't we classify Rotom as a legendary?
:It can breed. It's about as legendary as HO-HO in GenII. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 19:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
::Just because it can breed doesn't mean that it's not Legendary. Manaphy is Legendary, but it can breed. Also, there's obviously some significance to it having to same weight, and being directly before the Lake Trio on the National Dex. --[[User:Vladek|Vladek]]
:::Not really. Snorlax is directly before Articuno, and it's of the same type as Rotom (i.e. rare but not legendary). And Manaphy is just the exception that proves the rule. --[[User:DarkfireTaimatsu|DarkfireTaimatsu]] 18:34, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
::::An exception that proves the rule? O_o Last I checked, an exception disproved things. Also, does Snorlax have the same weight as Articuno? Didn't think so. --[[User:Vladek|Vladek]]

Rotom is legendary. Face it...Rotom is legendary...[[Image:Ani475MS.gif]] '''[[User:Optimus35|Agent]] [[User:Optimus35/Mission|4]][[User:Optimus35/Emerald|4]][[Gallade (Pokémon)|8]][[User talk:Optimus35|♪♪♪]] | [[User:Optimus35/Diamond&Pearl|DP]]''' | [http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/w/index.php?limit=50&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=Optimus35&namespace=0&year=&month=-1 ☆][[Image:Ani282MS.gif]] 07:45, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

I will say that it is a legendary. I want to point out to Optimus35 that {{p|Articuno}}, {{p|Zapdos}}, {{p|Moltres}}, {{p|Mew}} and ESPECIALLY {{p|Mewtwo}} weren't featured in legends either, and they were still referred to as legendary pokémon, so the "Not appearing in legends" thing doesn't really cut it. By legends, I mean folk tales told by NPCs during the various games (which they [the folk tales, I mean] started in Gen II).

Yeah but phione can breed to get itself so why cant rotom be a legendary? [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 15:27, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
~~Weedle_McHairybug~~
:The legendary birds had most of their legendary crap in their dex entries. Remember, Gen I was where it was just starting; "legendary" meant little more than "special", one of a kind (or really rare) things. Now of course it means much more, and the birds are in their place with the rest of the trios, with their story kindasorta filled in by the anime. Mew and Mewtwo... well, jeez, who ''didn't'' see MSB? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]{{ani|155|Fire echy}}[[User:TTEchidna/GSDS|GSDS!]]''' 00:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Music shouldn't be treated as the primary way of determining Legendary status. Next you'll be telling me Shaymin's not a Legendary. Nintendo accepts the Legendary Pokémon to NOT include Rotom, which should be enough, but if it's not, consider this: Rotom can breed artificially and produce another Rotom indirectly or otherwise. Further, Rotom is not the byproduct itself of a Legendary. A solid definition for a Legendary at this point would include two basic structures: The Pokémon is unable to breed another member of the same evolutionary line artificially, though the offspring is still considered a Legendary due to the Legendary parent. A Legendary Pokémon is accepted as Legendary by Nintendo. Only those and nothing more. That's why Rotom is not a Legendary Pokémon.
:Technically, Legendaries are all in legends, whch is why Manaphy is one. Phione...ask Nintendo. '''<sc>[[User:Optimus35|{{tt|Optimatum♏|Optimus35}}]]</sc>[[User talk:Ph34r4ever|Talk]]|[[User:Optimus35/sig/Pikachu|♊]]11:15 6 Apr 2008'''
::Not Mewtwo. Mewtwo is canonically too new of a Pokémon to feature in legends.

== Coronet? ==

http://images.wikia.com/telefang/images//d/d9/2-061.png
Does this guy look like Rotom or what?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 12:18, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:Are you going somewhere with this or are you just making a comparison? -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 12:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::I'm basically just making a comparison here. But I would also like to know if Rotom's slight resemblance to a Telefang monster is worthy of being mentioned.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 13:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:::This is your opinion that they share a resemblance...someone's opinion is not fact. I don't see this resemblance. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 14:48, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Well, both Rotom and Coronet's basic form are floating orbs with a spike on top. But if you don't think that it isn't worth mentioning, then I won't mention it.--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 14:59, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::: Agreeing with Sketchies, we already have enough [[Kirlia|problems]] with [[Snorlax|opinion]] being [[Buizel|treated]] as [[Jirachi|fact]] throughout various Pokémon articles. [[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 15:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::..for a second I thought you meant that I was the problem there. o_o To be honest, I don't see any particular resemblance bewtween the two. [[User:Tina|Tina]] [[Special:Contributions/Tina|δ]][[User talk:Tina|♫]] 15:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
:The fact that that thing's name is Coronet is weird enough. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 01:53, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::Because it shares the same name as [[Mt. Coronet|a location in Sinnoh]], or for some other reason?--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 20:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:I agree that it's probably not worth mentioning, but then I have no ask, should the page say that Rotom resembles [[Castform|Castform]]? I don't see that big of a resemblance there. '''~~[[User:DesuMaiWaifu|De]][[User talk:DesuMaiWaifu|su]]''' 20:24, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
I know this might be the wrong section for this, but: doesn't Castform have FOUR forms (Normal, Rain, Sun, and Hail)? Or is it just talking about forms other than the normal form? [[User:Diachronos|Diachronos]] 17:09, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
:Are you asking about the comparison between Castform's forms and Rotom's forms?? If you are, then my answer is that we're not saying the two Pokémon's forms are similar; we're saying that the two normal forms are similar. [[User:bnjelinski|Soon to be Mrs. Shirley]]

== New formes ==

the new formes of pokemon are all rotom! [[User:Atomix26|Atomix26]] 20:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:Thats what i was thinking... [[User:Takoto|Takoto タコト]]| サソデイ = 愛 20:20, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::What about the green one? Does that look like Rotom?--[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 20:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Chek ur talkpage Tavi--[[User:Kuki|Kuki]][[User talk:Kuki|Talk]] 20:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
::I checked it a long time ago. I think the Onix and Spinda SHOULD NOT be created. First, Onix is just polished and is no different that the other Onix unlike the crystal Onix where it's a different color. Second, Spinda's has many forms in the way their spots are arranged. If many Spinda with different spot arrangements appear in the anime, are we going to make that many alt sprites? The answer is no, so those two shouldn't be made.--[[User:Taviource|☆Tavis]][[User talk:Taviource|ource]] 20:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
:::There's a fairly good chance they could be real... but you remember the infamous fake Skyform Shaymin situation... oh lord.
:::I can't even find the image on serebii either. This might be one of those instances where someone uploaded an image online and let it spread. Regardless, all the forms with Pokemon lately is kind of messed up... though this is still the best ever- http://keishinkae.deviantart.com/art/NEW-POKEMON-FORME-REVEALED-94669775 [[User:Toastypk|'''''~Toastypk''''']] - [[User_Talk:Toastypk|'''Loom.''']] 16:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

I definitely thought those five new Pokémon couldn't be new because if that were the case, how would players be able to send them to Pokémon Diamond and Pearl. This would mean that there has to be new forms of one Pokémon like Giratina and Shaymin. Also, considering the position of its Pokédex entry #479 just before all of the legendaries and being one of few Pokémon where only one can be caught in the game, it's clear that Rotom is somewhat legendary with the ability to have different forms. Also, don't forget that Rotom's ability Levitate, many Legendaries have that ability (e.g. Uxie, Mesprit, Azelf and the legendary birds even though it's not their actual ability but have immunity to ground type moves). Therefore, the new forms must be of Rotom. I rest my case. [[User:Lanturn|Lanturn]] 13:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

As for the forms, I believe that the red, purple, green and orange silhouettes along with the original form of Rotom are in one group because of their identical hands on their sides (despite the green one looks hard to see). The blue one on the other hand might be another Rotom but is much more powerful with the potential of having the sum of the base stats equal to or greater than 600. The blue one looks larger than the rest (slightly although it could be the purple or the green one instead). I'm suggesting blue because it has two different looking arms (although Deoxys normal form has it too). While saying that, I believe this may be the case where the player must have all five forms of Rotom in their party or seen/caught before having the chance to capture this super Rotom (similar to the Regigigas event and the Ho-oh event in Pokémon Crystal). This is what I strongly believe but share in your opinions about this speculation. I might be completely wrong, but I feel that the evidence does sound very convincing. [[User:Lanturn|Lanturn]] 13:42, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

the orange one looks like spiritomb tho.....[[User:Happizelpom|Happi]][[User talk:Happizelpom|zel]][[Special:Contributions/Happizelpom|pom]] 13:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)Happizelpom

:Until the formes are officially revealed as to who they are, they should not be included on the page. You may speculate as much as you want (there's another topic on the Bulbagarden Fourms for you to do that, not litter up a talk page...) but it is NOT appropriate to have the Rotom page littered with 'some people speculate that the orange outline is a Rotom forme...'. You guys can wait less than 3 weeks until it comes out, and everything gets confirmed. ←{'''[[User:Berrymaster|Berrymaster]]|[[User_talk:Berrymaster|Talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Berrymaster|Contrib]]'''}→ 13:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

serebii.net just got the scan of the leaflets included with Pokémon Platinum that display some of the Rotom's formes (the security camera one is nowhere to be seen) besides it's types and attacks they can learn. Shouldn't we add this to this page and in the main page? [[User:Commanderraf|Commanderraf]] 17:12, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
Thats what I was thinking I went on serebii and was like OMFG and then went to bulbapedia and alas noting... --[[User:Hey1031|Hey1031]] 20:08, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, if there are new forms of Rotom... well, put them on the talk page first. The Pokémon Infobox is now a ''very'' sensitive template and cannot be changed without advance knowledge. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 23:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
::Images as found in the archives. Sorry for the size. [[User:Darkeiya|Darkeiya]] 00:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[[Image:Rotomcutform.jpg]][[Image:Rotomfan.jpg]][[Image:Rotomfrostforme.jpg]][[Image:Rotomoven.jpg]][[Image:Rotomwashingmachine.jpg]]
:::Aside from the fridge, those images look like crap. SOMEONE GET BETTER ONES. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:23, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I was right! I was thinking that these pokemon had to do with Rotom... --[[User:AKgirl|AK]][[User talk:AKgirl|girl]] 01:03, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:The lawnmower form reminds me of Fawful for some reason. That face just seems to be screaming "I HAVE FURY!"--[[User:Pokencyclopedia|Pokencyclopedia]] 02:00, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:Do you maybe think that Rotom has these forms because it's possesing household objects. Conspiracy! *shifty eyes* [[User:Asujoll|Asujoll]] 9:39 11 September 2008
::Rotom's new formes should come with different types... I think the fridge one is Ice/Ghost, the oven is Fire/Ghost, the washing machine is Water/Ghost, the fan is Flying/Ghost and the lawn mower is Grass/Ghost. You can tell because of the moves they learn, acording to Serebii. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 04:59, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Should, but don't. Far as I've heard, the data says it's Electric/Ghost in all... '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
'''' The Refridgerator one's official name is "Frost Rotom" and the Fan one is "Cut Rotom". Just FYI --[[User:Serebii|Serebii]] 23:54, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
:id love to fix it, but someone locked the page...? -- '''[[User:MAGNEDETH|MAG]][[User:MAGNEDETH#Interesting Stuff|NE]][[User talk:MAGNEDETH|DETH]]''' 23:56, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

# (cur) (last) 15:39, 10 September 2008 TTEchidna (Talk | contribs) m (Changed protection level for "Rotom (Pokémon)": Give some time for the Platinum release to cool it... [edit=sysop:move=sysop] (expires 00:00, 26 October 2008 (UTC)))

Yeah. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 23:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:K not much to say but the Washer is VILE what the hell is in his hand???!??! Someone is gonna complain about that soon. But no me lol! [[User:Rucario64|Rucario]][[User Talk:Rucario64|64]] 19:20, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

== Rotom names ==

It seems we finally have all 5 Rotom names:

* Refrigerator = '''Frost Rotom'''
* Washing Machine = '''Wash Rotom'''
* Fan = '''Spin Rotom'''
* Lawnmower = '''Cut Rotom'''
* Oven = '''Heat Rotom'''

== Trivia ==

The Frost Rotom is a Refrigerator.
The Wash Rotom is a Washing machine.
The Spin Rotom is a fan.
The cut Rotom is a Lawnmower.
The oven Rotom is a Oven.
So, the Normal Rotom is... a Lamp!

[[User:Trainer-c|Trainer-c]] 10:09, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Mmm...I think normal Rotom is just Rotom. It has to have a regular form, doesn't it? Kind of like Ditto and Deoxys have a regular form. [[User:Kochdude388|Kochdude388]] 21:37, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:Based off of a Poltergeist? [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 23:43, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Rotom is a Lava-lamb! [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 00:30, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:Lamp. Lava ''lamp''. --[[User:Martonimos|Martonimos]][[User talk:Martonimos|((Argh]]|[[Special:Contributions/Martonimos|Blargh))]] 00:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
::LOL lamb XD.Do you agree with me?[[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 01:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Platinum? ==

Is Rotom really unobtainable in platinum? Because it says in the in-game locations that it MUST be traded from D/P. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 01:11, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:If it's not obtainable...then I must have caught another Orange ghost when I examined the TV. Rotom is catchable in Platinum. That needs changed. -[[User:Sketchies|Sketchies]] 01:44, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:The template just says Trade if not filled in. But yeah, you can get Rotom as soon as it's night after getting the ability to use cut in the field. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 20:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Spinda ==

I know we cant make edits yet, but should Spinda be in the piece of trivia that says that Rotom has the most amout of forme of all none legendaries (Exept Unown)? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 18:40, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
:Spinda doesn't count, very minor difference, just like gender differences. [[User:Aura-Knight|Aura-Knight]] 21:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Forme... ==
On the page, under evolution, it lists them as "Heat Forme", "Frost Forme", "Cut Forme", etc. No, I'm not questioning the the spelling of forme, but... If I recall, they didn't have Forme in their name. They were just known as "Heat Rotom", "Frost Rotom", "Cut Rotom", etc.
...or do they have Forme? I don't think they do... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 22:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Don't have Forme. I know I put "form" (non-capitalized, no e) before we knew, but now we can change it. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 00:11, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::I put "Forme" because in Japanese they use that weird "フォルム" spelling.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 00:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::No, I don't mean use "Forme" or "Form" or whatever... I'm pretty sure there wasn't anything there to begin with. Just "Cut Rotom". By itself... [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 01:24, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::"フォルム" isn't a transliteration of just "form"? What would that be? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 02:53, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::::"フォーム" is the more orthodox transliteration of "form". "フォルム" doesn't show up in any dictionaries I've looked through at any rate.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 05:34, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::And the same spelling of フォルム/Forme has appeared for Deoxys, Giratina, and Shaymin? Is it how it's displayed in a Japanese DPPt game's Pokédex? Did the translation screw up? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 05:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::"フォルム" is used in all the same places as "forme", yeah.--[[User:Urutapu|Ｌｏｖｅはドコ？]] ([[User talk:Urutapu|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Urutapu|contribs]]) 06:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::But is it used in the dex, like for Deoxys in English it says "See another form." on the button at the bottom, and displays "Forms" at the top. Does it use the standard transliteration there or does it use the one that they've officially transliterated as Forme? '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 17:56, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::...No, I mean on the names, there was no Form or Forme there to begin with. No f, o, and r, in that order, appearing anywhere withing the name. [[User:M190049|'''''~m190049''''']][[User talk:M190049|'''''~talk''''']] 23:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Well of course, but the current issue is now whether the Japanese DP used "フォルム" or "フォーム", the first translating as "Forme" and the second as "form", in the Pokédex. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 20:57, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Trade ==

What happens when you trade a Rotom in one of it's formes from Platinum to D/P? [[User:ShinyPikachu|§#!π¥£!Ψ@Ϛ#µ]] 20:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:Reverts to its normal form... pretty obvious... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 02:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

== Banned? ==

It is banned from tournaments. Where'd that come from? [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 13:26, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:I don't really know, although it shouldn't be, as a base stat total of 520 isn't that great. '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 19:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:it's because it's hard to obtain, by hard i mean it's only availible in one game and some games won't accept it so...[[User:Luckario|Luckario]] 22:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::Battles between Platinum with Origin Forme Giratina and Pearl with Another Forme one are still possible. Same with Shaymin and why not Rotom? '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 22:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::It is an unfair advantage as not everybody can get Rotom's formes (Ahem *cough cough* Not everyone has Wifi) AND that Rotom's formes have higher base stats than it. Shaymin and Giratina still keep the same BS average while Rotom's actually INCREASES by a fairly large amount. The only Pokemon to change appearance like that and increase its BS average are POkemon who evolve (and, once again, I give up on the accent). '''[[User:Optimatum|<sc>Θρtιmαtum♏</sc>]][[User talk:Optimatum|Talk]]|[[User:Optimatum/sig/Pikachu|Links]] 13:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Yes, but since Rotom has patently unimportant stats before its from change, it doesn't make it unfair. [[User:LordArceus|LordArceus]] 02:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
So basically it's an opinion and should be removed. [[User: Tc26|'''tc''']][[User talk: Tc26|'''2''']][[Special: Contributions/Tc26|'''6''']] 13:38, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
that means its legendary

== what more proof do you want that Rotom is legendary ==
::^And that disproves that Rotom is a legendary... HOW exactly? I mean, Mewtwo was also discovered around that yearspan if not less than that, and it's still counted as a Legendary. I'm not saying that it IS one, just that the whole 50 year discovery =/= legendary mindset isn't a valid reason. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 14:24, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Rotom isn't a legendary, get over it. The main reason I can think of off the top of my head is stats. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] - [[User talk:The Dark Fiddler|Smarter than the average bear!]] 14:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Did I say it was a legendary? no, I didn't. In fact, I denied saying it was in the response you responded to. Besides, even if I did, in regards to stats, since Phione is canonically a legendary, despite having the same stats as a Glalie, Stats barely mean anything to Legendaries. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 15:06, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
:If this the "It's got forms, it's a legendary!".. then {{p|Unown}}, {{p|Spinda}}, {{p|Castform}}, {{p|Burmy}}, {{p|Wormadam}}, {{p|Mothim}}{{tt|*|Inherited}}, {{p|Cherrim}}, {{p|Shellos}}, {{p|Gastrodon}} are all legendary.[[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 15:15, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

::Well, sorry Weedle, I was countering Vik0z0z. And on Phione, Phione is mostly a weaker Manaphy. That's pretty much its whole existance. [[User:The Dark Fiddler|The Dark Fiddler]] -
[[User talk:ArceusEX]]4:57, 22 October 2008
:Rotom is a legendary.I read it in the Pokemon handbook. [[User:ArceusEx]]
::Which handbook? [[User:Ht14|''ht'']][[User talk:Ht14|''14'']] 22:06, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::You're all wrong... and he's right......it's legendary...~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 22:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Or "they" are right~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 22:39, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::DAMMIT, can't upload the stupid scan!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 22:53, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:LegendaryRotom.jpg|500px]]
THUNTHUNTHUN!!!!!!~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 23:35, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
::::That proves nothing at all except some happy go lucky user chose to name the file Legendary pokemon.It does not include the word legendary Anywhere, therefore, it has itAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY(thats a buzzer, by the way)--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]
Err... Actually, Legendary Pokemon was listed under it's name, and from the scan, It seems legit. [[User:Weedle Mchairybug|Weedle Mchairybug]] 23:44, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:Ah now i see it<Blame Fire Fox>. What publisher is this?That made the Guide?--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]
::it's still no proof to me, as it's not involved in ANY legend and its stats are WAYY worse than Phione's... '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 23:51, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::The copywrite is, '''(c) 2008 Pokémon. 1997-2008 Nintendo, Creatures, GAME FREAK, TV Tokyo, ShoPro, JR Kikaku. Pokémon Properties are trademarks of Nintendo'''. This is one of the handbooks, there's one for each generation.~[[User:Pokemaniac102|Ποκεμανιακα0β]] 00:01, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Proof enough for me if they have Game Freak.Ask the Echidna though--[[User:DCM|DCM]][[User talk:DCM|((Talk]][[Special:Contributions/DCM|Contributions))]]

[[User talk:ArceusEX]] 4:57 23 October 2008
:Its legendary.I may be new.But i know a lot about Pokemon. [[User:ArceusEx]]
::Exact title of the handbook is? Without it, the creditability of the source is questionable. [[User:Gywall|'''Gywall''']]([[User_talk:Gywall|Talk]]) 13:11, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Anyways it can breed, so it's not classified as one... YEAH MANAPHY CAN BREED BUT IT KICKS ROTOM'S BUTT IN TERMS OF STATS (and phione too, so stop it) '''[[User:Hfc2x|hfc]][[User talk:Hfc2x|2X]]''' 16:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

[[User talk:ArceusEX]] 2:40 23 October 2008
:the name of the handbook is The Ultimate Pokemon Handbook.My friend has it. [[User:ArceusEx]]
its legendary OKAY
:I say we should wait for EnPt to say something. If the game says it is, it is. Rotom's about as legendary as Porygon was, though-- if anything Unown's more legendary. '''[[User:TTEchidna|''TTE'']][[User talk:TTEchidna|chidna]]''' 21:17, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::I still think Unown is legendary. But Rotom being legendary works in a way. [[User:Tesh|'''TESH''']][[User_talk:Tesh|'''IGIGAS''']] 21:19, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

let it on there

were can i put it

:Third-party books can, and usually are, error-riddled. As far as we can tell, that handbook saying Rotom is legendary is merely a mistake made by the writers of that handbook. We've never trusted third-party books as a reliable source of information before, why start now? --[[User:Shiningpikablu252|Shiningpikablu252]] 21:35, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

will you sign it go to User:ArceusEX/Rotom's Status